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13 hours ago, Frosteeeh!!! said:

It gets older, storage gets used, the games want more requirements etc? Just an assumption 

The specs for the game haven't changed drastically in the last few versions. 

Yes you can buy an older computer for FM20 - but that in itself would be problematic for future versions, something that's 5 years old now, would be 10 years old for FM25. 

But a new computer now with the most up to date parts and pieces should be fine for FM for about 5 years at least. 

 

This is the point of this thread really - to get the best components for the best price to add longevity. A lot of people seem to be here with a budget and no clue what to get. Those that do try and find something for themselves are picking all the wrong parts for FM - which is why we are doing this. 

The best parts for the best budget you've got - and it should last a few  years at least. 

 

Keeping your computer up to date is important. 

That means keeping Windows up to date.

Updating drivers regularly
Updating firmware regularly.

Once you do this - your computer should last years.

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I'm thinking about getting a Macbook Pro so I can play FM on the go. 

Usually I do not play with a lot of leagues. At most 10 I would guess. 40-50k players with changes in the database. 

Would one of the two below play FM fast enough? Would it help to get 16gb ram instead? 

If this is the wrong thread - I'll move it somewhere else. 

I only play in 2d.

 

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I'm not looking for an exceptional strong PC. I recently sold my laptop, as I don't like Windows laptops. 

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The one on the right is better. But MacBooks don't come with graphic cards (dedicated) so you're looking at playing 3D matches on mid-level to low level quality.

The one on the left is underspec.

I think the processor in this one is the Intel I5-8279U.

The U means it's ultra-low power - this is due to keeping it cool under stress it will revert to it's lowest power consumption to stop it overheating, in ideal cool conditions it will be strong.

However, Macs are notorious for getting really hot - so I can't imagine using FM under the strain of the processor (it's a processor heavy game) that on the go, with no power cable, will it perform to it's highest grade, in fact it will be performing it's lowest.

But still plenty ok for FM.

 

Not sure  why you don't like Windows laptops - they are literally the exact same thing.

Computers running Windows OS use the same parts as Mac - intel processors/amd processors - crucial/kingston RAM - 

The only difference is the OS. And for FM all you have to do is load Steam and run the game - the game plays the exact same way across Operating Systems.

 

The only difference with Mac is that it's extravagently expensive for what's under the hood.

For that money you're better off buying a PC and pocketing the change (sizeable change!)

And a much better FM experience. 

 

But it's your money - Macs are good computers - and if you really want it - go for the one on the right.

 

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23 minutes ago, Smurf said:

The one on the right is better. But MacBooks don't come with graphic cards (dedicated) so you're looking at playing 3D matches on mid-level to low level quality.

The one on the left is underspec.

I think the processor in this one is the Intel I5-8279U.

The U means it's ultra-low power - this is due to keeping it cool under stress it will revert to it's lowest power consumption to stop it overheating, in ideal cool conditions it will be strong.

However, Macs are notorious for getting really hot - so I can't imagine using FM under the strain of the processor (it's a processor heavy game) that on the go, with no power cable, will it perform to it's highest grade, in fact it will be performing it's lowest.

But still plenty ok for FM.

 

Not sure  why you don't like Windows laptops - they are literally the exact same thing.

Computers running Windows OS use the same parts as Mac - intel processors/amd processors - crucial/kingston RAM - 

The only difference is the OS. And for FM all you have to do is load Steam and run the game - the game plays the exact same way across Operating Systems.

 

The only difference with Mac is that it's extravagently expensive for what's under the hood.

For that money you're better off buying a PC and pocketing the change (sizeable change!)

And a much better FM experience. 

 

But it's your money - Macs are good computers - and if you really want it - go for the one on the right.

 

Thank you! 

I might want to rephrase the "I don't like Windows laptops" to "I prefer Macbook's over Window laptops". I had a Macbook Pro from 2012 to 2018 and it was great! I then bought a Lenovo Yoga with pretty good specs but, I felt like i didn't perform to what it should based on the specs. I feel like Macbooks are just better quality all-around and way more fluid in how it works. (Does that make any sense?) 

I already have a pretty decent PC which is under one year old. And I know that buying a Mac might be overspending.

If I take the one on the right - would it make sense to upgrade to 16 GB ram? Or is that not important in this case? 

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1 minute ago, KVJ92 said:

Thank you! 

I might want to rephrase the "I don't like Windows laptops" to "I prefer Macbook's over Window laptops". I had a Macbook Pro from 2012 to 2018 and it was great! I then bought a Lenovo Yoga with pretty good specs but, I felt like i didn't perform to what it should based on the specs. I feel like Macbooks are just better quality all-around and way more fluid in how it works. (Does that make any sense?) 

I already have a pretty decent PC which is under one year old. And I know that buying a Mac might be overspending.

If I take the one on the right - would it make sense to upgrade to 16 GB ram? Or is that not important in this case? 

More RAM is always better. 

Macs are unique that they have one manufacturer - so you are always buying a Mac and one type of computer. 

Windows computers are made by all sorts - there's not just not one source - so build quality can differ. 

If you're happy to spend that money - then go for it. 

I'd prefer personally to spend a lot less on a better spec. 

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2 minutes ago, Smurf said:

More RAM is always better. 

Macs are unique that they have one manufacturer - so you are always buying a Mac and one type of computer. 

Windows computers are made by all sorts - there's not just not one source - so build quality can differ. 

If you're happy to spend that money - then go for it. 

I'd prefer personally to spend a lot less on a better spec. 

My latest laptop was a Lenovo Yoga 720. (3-in-1) 

I wouldn't know what to look for with a Windows Manufacturer to know that it would run as smoothly or swiftly as I know a Mac does. 

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7 minutes ago, KVJ92 said:

My latest laptop was a Lenovo Yoga 720. (3-in-1) 

I wouldn't know what to look for with a Windows Manufacturer to know that it would run as smoothly or swiftly as I know a Mac does. 

Yes, most likely you got the wrong specs. 

If you can spend the money then why not.

Chassis & Display
Proteus Series: 15.6" Matte Full HD 144Hz 72% NTSC LED Widescreen (1920x1080)
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Intel® Core™ i7 Six Core Processor 9750H (2.6GHz, 4.5GHz Turbo)
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16GB Corsair 2400MHz SODIMM DDR4 (2 x 8GB)
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NVIDIA® GeForce® RTX 2060 - 6.0GB GDDR6 Video RAM - DirectX® 12.1
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500GB SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 3500MB/R, 3200MB/W)
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Integrated SD Memory Card Reader
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1 x Proteus Series 180W AC Adaptor
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1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
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Proteus VII Series Lithium Ion Battery, 47WH
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PROTEUS SERIES RGB BACKLIT UK KEYBOARD WITH NUMBER PAD
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United Kingdom - English Language
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FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft® Office® 365 (Operating System Required)
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BullGuard™ Internet Security - Free 90 Day License inc. Gamer Mode
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3 Year Standard Warranty (1 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
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Quanta NLCA FHD IPS 144Hz (6GB RTX-2060, 9750H, 144Hz, GB)
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STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
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Standard Build - Approximately 8 to 10 working days

Price: $1,651.00 including VAT and Delivery

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just a taste of what you can get for your money. 

Not trying to discourage you from the Mac - it's a good computer. 

But I hate spending all that money when you can get something a helluva lot better.

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13 minutes ago, Smurf said:

just a taste of what you can get for your money. 

Not trying to discourage you from the Mac - it's a good computer. 

But I hate spending all that money when you can get something a helluva lot better.

https://www.pcspecialist.ie/saved-configurations/recoil-III-gtx-15/jtkH2TFmv2/

Not to spam this thread. But something like that maybe?

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12 minutes ago, Gangor said:

The graphics card is overkill for FM surely - that would be suitable for any of the current AAA games.

Might be overkill for FM now, but in 5/6/7 years - and it's better than no graphics card that the Mac doesn't provide.

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A friend of mine needs a new laptop and asked if this would run fm well.

I’m not an expert but I weren’t sure if the processor on this would be the best, as in I don’t think it would run that fast, is that right or would this be pretty good? 

https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/hp-pavilion-14-ce0523sa-14-intel-pentium-gold-laptop-128-gb-ssd-white-gold-10195190-pdt.html

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31 minutes ago, sedge11 said:

A friend of mine needs a new laptop and asked if this would run fm well.

I’m not an expert but I weren’t sure if the processor on this would be the best, as in I don’t think it would run that fast, is that right or would this be pretty good? 

https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/hp-pavilion-14-ce0523sa-14-intel-pentium-gold-laptop-128-gb-ssd-white-gold-10195190-pdt.html

Not good at all.

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13 hours ago, Elliott J Miller said:

so i think i've finally found the desktop for me, before i go and buy for £850, would people say from the specs im about to attach that this is a decent for fm20? Thanks in advance

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Looks good - where are you buying it from?

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23 minutes ago, Raz1987 said:

hi all,

 

need some help, looking to buy a laptop to start playing fm2020

 

would this laptop work, not bothered about 3d matches

 

https://www.very.co.uk/acer-aspire-1-intel-celeron-n4000-4gb-ram-64gb-emmc-ssd-14-inch-full-hd-laptop-with-microsoft-office-365-personal-included-red/1600446702.prd

No, because the version of the Windows 10 operating system it's using (Windows 10 Home 64-bit in S mode) can't install Steam, and so cannot be used for FM.

Also, please don't spam the same post across several threads.

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38 minutes ago, JordanMillward_1 said:

No, because the version of the Windows 10 operating system it's using (Windows 10 Home 64-bit in S mode) can't install Steam, and so cannot be used for FM.

Also, please don't spam the same post across several threads.

sorry for the spam, wasn't sure which channel then came across this 1. the S mode can easily be removed ( so im told via Microsoft) 

 

so, apart from s mode would all otehr features meet the requirements,  appreciate you help so far

 

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55 minutes ago, Raz1987 said:

sorry for the spam, wasn't sure which channel then came across this 1. the S mode can easily be removed ( so im told via Microsoft) 

 

so, apart from s mode would all otehr features meet the requirements,  appreciate you help so far

 

Probably not, because the processor is an exceptionally poor Celeron processor that's designed for running Windows, Microsoft Word, things like a browser, and that's about it. You would likely be wasting your money buying that with the hope that it'll run FM without running the risk of crashing due to the hardware in that laptop.

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Hi all,

The advice on this topic is really valuable and thus I would like your advice on the laptop specs posted below:

They're the same laptop just different specs as highlighted and are €100 in the difference so I'm wondering how FM would run on both?

Also, just curious as I bought FM20 from the official site for a Lenovo laptop. If I went with a MacBook instead would the current version of FM be ok to run or would I need to download a Mac version?

Thanks

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3 hours ago, DCBeast said:

Hi all,

The advice on this topic is really valuable and thus I would like your advice on the laptop specs posted below:

They're the same laptop just different specs as highlighted and are €100 in the difference so I'm wondering how FM would run on both?

Also, just curious as I bought FM20 from the official site for a Lenovo laptop. If I went with a MacBook instead would the current version of FM be ok to run or would I need to download a Mac version?

Thanks

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There are better choices for laptops out there to play games on for around the same price, such as this: https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/acer-nitro-5-15-6-gaming-laptop-amd-ryzen-7-rx-560x-512-gb-ssd-10202552-pdt.html

The processor is nearly as good, but it also has a graphics card that'll allow the match engine (and any other games you want to play) to run well, as the one you included has no dedicated graphics card.

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52 minutes ago, DanCray91 said:

Hello guys I am thinking of buying a laptop just for playing fm20 

Could I play the game on this system

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Only barely, the processor is poor and over 6 years old. What budget do you have to work with?

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18 hours ago, Owenlea said:

Anyone use intel 620 hd graphics and know whether there any good.

That's a on board graphics card built in with the CPU - unless you give us the full spec of the computer it's impossible to tell.

The 620HD would be ok for detail set to low/medium or at a setting you're comfortable with.

14 hours ago, extreme1820 said:

 

I was wondering if this laptop can handle fm2020 in medium, I ask this because the processor has only 1.6ghz. Thanks

 

Acer Aspire 3 15.6" A315-55G-51KL

Not enough info here. At 1.6hz I would say no, as it's under spec.

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16 hours ago, DCBeast said:

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12 hours ago, JordanMillward_1 said:

There are better choices for laptops out there to play games on for around the same price, such as this: https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/acer-nitro-5-15-6-gaming-laptop-amd-ryzen-7-rx-560x-512-gb-ssd-10202552-pdt.html

The processor is nearly as good, but it also has a graphics card that'll allow the match engine (and any other games you want to play) to run well, as the one you included has no dedicated graphics card.

I also came across this one - might be worth a go https://www.box.co.uk/9S7-16R312-418-MSI-GF63-Thin-418UK_2576236.html

 

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Hi Everyone, 

In the market for a new laptop for FM having played it on a MacBook Pro 13-inch for the last 5 years and as expected is isn't performing to a high standard.

I like to load at least 10 leagues with the biggest playing database possible. 

Budget is between 1000 - 1200 and the full focus of the laptop would be for FM.

Any recommendations would be a huge help.

 

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1 hour ago, lcYool said:

Hi all

Any advice on whether this laptop would be good to play FM2020 on? Looking for a laptop for simple work tasks, bit of FM and Netflix/spotify...

 

https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/product-10195190-pdt.html

Think we had this the other day and the answer is no, it is a weak processpr/graphics, the ram is low and you have very little storage space

Also Windows 10 S cannot run steam  - someone did mention it is possible to change it out of S mode so it can run other apps, but I'm not totally sure of the details

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Think we had this the other day and the answer is no, it is a weak processpr/graphics, the ram is low and you have very little storage space

Also Windows 10 S cannot run steam  - someone did mention it is possible to change it out of S mode so it can run other apps, but I'm not totally sure of the details

Yes you can change Windows 10S back to normal Windows 10, but the issue is the type of hardware it is usually bundled with is quite weak

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Actually, is someone from SI able to give us (or have they in the past) an idea of how parallelised FM20 is? That is, how much does it benefit from having processors with higher core/thread counts? From looking at the benchmark thread I get the idea that frequency (GHz) is more important. 

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Really thd data of the benchmark thread is the best thing to go on. There is a post in this thread or another where I went into more detail

But the basics are more cores will really tell if you run lots of matches in full detail, otherwise single threaded is more important.

I would suggest a minimum 4 core processor though.

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Hi all,

Have played since FM15 on an Acer Aspire E15 ES1-512 but recently has become very slow to load and process week by week in-game and is ruining my FM experience.

I would like to get a new laptop to be able to play at least 30 playable leagues with as large a database as possible - essentially I want a laptop that can run FM comfortably with any game setup, one that loads quickly.

Any recommendations for laptops that could do the above for a budget of roughly £800 (UK).

Many thanks in advance

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8 hours ago, rboyd193 said:

Hi all,

Have played since FM15 on an Acer Aspire E15 ES1-512 but recently has become very slow to load and process week by week in-game and is ruining my FM experience.

I would like to get a new laptop to be able to play at least 30 playable leagues with as large a database as possible - essentially I want a laptop that can run FM comfortably with any game setup, one that loads quickly.

Any recommendations for laptops that could do the above for a budget of roughly £800 (UK).

Many thanks in advance

No idea - and nobody can ever say how many leagues it would play.

However, this is probably one of the best you can get for 800 https://www.box.co.uk/NH.Q59EK.01H-Acer-Nitro-5_2873716.html

 

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Hi all,

Looking for a new laptop that will be very fast on processing football manager, will look to play 3D matches,  Also like to have around 50,000 players loaded, would prefer a laptop that doesn't get really loud with fan or hot, would like a I7 and decent graphic card as may choose to play other games in future, my budget is around £850/£950, also would someone be able to put a couple of options up so i can have a look as i like a smart looking laptop. 

Thanks in advance :)

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15 hours ago, EdL said:

Think we had this the other day and the answer is no, it is a weak processpr/graphics, the ram is low and you have very little storage space

Also Windows 10 S cannot run steam  - someone did mention it is possible to change it out of S mode so it can run other apps, but I'm not totally sure of the details

Thanks for the reply

I’m sorry if I’m asking for repeat information, but for a budget of around £500 and under, are there any recommended laptops for FM20? 
 

 

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1 hour ago, DCBeast said:

Thank you for the response!

The only issue I have is that I am looking for a 14' screen if possible?

I would be happy to spend 1000-1200?

Would it be worth getting a Mac instead?

Problem when you go to 14 inch is that they are built for portability and they typically put in a U type processor. Nothing wrong with them, but not designed to work under heavy processor loads - which FM requires. 

So what you get in smaller form won't be as powerful and you'll pay over the odds. 

If you're willing to buy a Mac you're looking at £1800  and a 13 inch screen - and Macs don't come with dedicated graphics cards.

 

I'd contact these and see if they can help you out https://www.razer.com/gb-en/store

14 inch from these with an i7 9750H processor - they might be able to do it for you

 

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Hi all,

Looking for a new laptop that will be very fast on processing football manager, will look to play 3D matches,  Also like to have around 50,000 players loaded, would prefer a laptop that doesn't get really loud with fan or hot, would like a I7 and decent graphic card as may choose to play other games in future, my budget is around £850/£950, also would someone be able to put a couple of options up so i can have a look as i like a smart looking laptop. 

Thanks in advance :)

Basically looking for the best laptop money can buy for around £950! Thanks

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Searching for a new desktop.

#1 HP €799,00
- Intel Core i5-9400F (9MB Cache, 2.9GHz)
- NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (4GB GDDR5)
- RAM 8 GB (2666MHz) DDR4-SDRAM (1 x 8) & 1000GB HDD, 256GB SSD

https://www.bol.com/nl/p/hp-pavilion-desktop-tp01-0200nd-pc/9200000118542970/?Referrer=ADVNLPPcefd0a00cdbf92970065bba51d011057677&utm_source=1057677&utm_medium=Affiliates&utm_campaign=CPS&utm_content=pdl#product_specifications

#2 Lenovo €729,00

  • Intel Core i5-9400
  • Intel UHD Graphics 630
  • RAM 16 GB & 2000GB HDD, 512GB SSD

https://www.bol.com/nl/p/lenovo-ideacentre-510-15ick-desktop/9200000128626641/#product_specifications

Which one would you choose?

Is Intel UHD Graphics 630 good enough for FM? 

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Searching for a new desktop.

#1 HP €799,00
- Intel Core i5-9400F (9MB Cache, 2.9GHz)
- NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (4GB GDDR5)
- RAM 8 GB (2666MHz) DDR4-SDRAM (1 x 8) & 1000GB HDD, 256GB SSD

https://www.bol.com/nl/p/hp-pavilion-desktop-tp01-0200nd-pc/9200000118542970/?Referrer=ADVNLPPcefd0a00cdbf92970065bba51d011057677&utm_source=1057677&utm_medium=Affiliates&utm_campaign=CPS&utm_content=pdl#product_specifications

#2 Lenovo €729,00

  • Intel Core i5-9400
  • Intel UHD Graphics 630
  • RAM 16 GB & 2000GB HDD, 512GB SSD

https://www.bol.com/nl/p/lenovo-ideacentre-510-15ick-desktop/9200000128626641/#product_specifications

Which one would you choose?

Is Intel UHD Graphics 630 good enough for FM? 

The first one, every time. It might not have as much RAM, but the better graphics card will reduce any potential bottlenecks that could slow the system down, and will run any games better, including FM, than the Intel UHD Graphics chip (not a dedicated graphics card) in the second PC.

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9 hours ago, EJames1993 said:

Really like look of the Dell, looked on there site and found this https://www.dell.com/en-uk/shop/gaming-and-games/dell-g3-15/spd/g-series-15-3590-laptop/cn35904, which one is better for FM? cheers

Yes - looks good. 

9 hours ago, lcYool said:

Hi again

can anyone give me a personal review of this laptop and its suitability for FM20?

Acer Aspire 5 A515-54G ?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B082R8YMHV/ref=dp_ob_neva_mobile?th=1&psc=1

Thanks in advance 

Nobody can give you a personal review - as nobody has ever owned that exact laptop. Even with the same specs, performance may vary.

However, it's a 1.8ghz i7 processor - it doesn't give exact details so I'd be concerned already. 
It' probably the i7 8550U 

 

This is better
https://www.box.co.uk/30027142-Medion-Erazer-P15601_2756373.html

 

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i7-8550U-vs-Intel-i5-9300H/3064vs3448

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