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14 hours ago, Derbylad82 said:

Thanks for this, out of interest to help me gauge a better understanding in what to look for. What advantages does the first one have over the second one to why you say it is better?

which would you say is better out off these 2 below for FM20

1. https://www.box.co.uk/FX505DY-BQ008T-ASUS-TUF-FX505DY-BQ008T_2440064.html#DetailTop

2. https://www.argos.co.uk/product/1690000

Is a RX560 better or worse than a GTX1050 ?

The processor is better in the 2nd product. 

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The graphics cards are much the same - 

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10 hours ago, Sophomore said:

What kind of tablet do I need to play the full version of Football Manager (2020)? Can't find it anywhere after multiple extensive Google searches. 

Surface Pro probably would be the best bet - but instead of spending all that money on a system that will run it at a mediocre level, why not spend all that money on a kickass laptop?

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16 hours ago, Derbylad82 said:

Thanks for this, out of interest to help me gauge a better understanding in what to look for. What advantages does the first one have over the second one to why you say it is better?

 

which would you say is better out off these 2 below for FM20

 

1. https://www.box.co.uk/FX505DY-BQ008T-ASUS-TUF-FX505DY-BQ008T_2440064.html#DetailTop

 

2. https://www.argos.co.uk/product/1690000

 

Is a RX560 better or worse than a GTX1050 ?

The first one I posted was better than the second because, although AMD's Ryzen processors are good with many games because of their multiple cores, the Intel processor in the first one has higher individual core processor speeds, which is what is most important for FM to run well.

With the ones you posted, as @Smurf said, the processor in the 2nd one is better for FM (it has higher single core processing speeds), and the graphics cards are broadly comparable to each other.

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7 hours ago, JordanMillward_1 said:

The first one I posted was better than the second because, although AMD's Ryzen processors are good with many games because of their multiple cores, the Intel processor in the first one has higher individual core processor speeds, which is what is most important for FM to run well.

With the ones you posted, as @Smurf said, the processor in the 2nd one is better for FM (it has higher single core processing speeds), and the graphics cards are broadly comparable to each other.

So the higher the GHz in the processor, the better it is to run FM well?

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20 hours ago, Sophomore said:

What kind of tablet do I need to play the full version of Football Manager (2020)? Can't find it anywhere after multiple extensive Google searches. 

I've got one of these, can't praise it enough weighs like 600 grams, lightest Windows tablet you can get but you will have to dial down the amount of leagues and the 3D.  It's my lifeline on my daily commute.

Other than that you're looking at Microsoft Surface or any top of the range Windows tablet really but even they will need the 3D dialled down

Any of these should do it bar the Surface Go 

You'll need to taper your expectations though, any tablet will heat up and throttle pretty quickly

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4 hours ago, Derbylad82 said:

So the higher the GHz in the processor, the better it is to run FM well?

Ideally, yes. It's not always that simple, but you can't really go wrong with a higher GHz processor.

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4 hours ago, Brother Ben said:

I've got one of these, can't praise it enough weighs like 600 grams, lightest Windows tablet you can get but you will have to dial down the amount of leagues and the 3D.  It's my lifeline on my daily commute.

Other than that you're looking at Microsoft Surface or any top of the range Windows tablet really but even they will need the 3D dialled down

Any of these should do it bar the Surface Go 

You'll need to taper your expectations though, any tablet will heat up and throttle pretty quickly

The surface laptop 3 in 15inch sounds interesting as has an dedicated AMD Ryzen 5 processor and graphics Radeon™ Vega 9 

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Hi all, so a bit of a novice to buying a computer here (beyond way below spec machines) budget in the region of £1000 give or take with the aim of a long term investment in a laptop for FM and Photo editing. Would prefer a 17 inch screen but can go smaller. Not too concerned about battery life. 
 

any thoughts on the below

 
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Cosmos Series: 17.3" Matte Full HD IPS 60Hz 72% NTSC LED Widescreen (1920x1080)
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Intel® Core™ i7 Six Core Processor 9750H (2.6GHz, 4.5GHz Turbo)
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16GB Corsair 2666MHz SODIMM DDR4 (2 x 8GB)
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NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1050 - 3.0GB GDDR5 Video RAM - DirectX® 12.1
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2TB Seagate Backup Plus Slim External HDD, USB 3.0, Black
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Integrated 6 in 1 Card Reader (SD /Mini SD/ SDHC / SDXC / MMC / RSMMC)
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MULTI COLOUR BACKLIT UK KEYBOARD
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Genuine Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KUK-00001]
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United Kingdom - English Language
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54 minutes ago, GuitarMan said:

Hi all, so a bit of a novice to buying a computer here (beyond way below spec machines) budget in the region of £1000 give or take with the aim of a long term investment in a laptop for FM and Photo editing. Would prefer a 17 inch screen but can go smaller. Not too concerned about battery life. 
 

any thoughts on the below

That'll run FM19 and 20 really well, and I imagine it'll be fine for a few years yet.

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@Smurf hi, I have been offered the following MacBook for a price of £300 by a close friend. In terms of specification it looks more than ok to run fm 20 smoothly however was just looking for assurances that it will be good, thanks mate. 
 

https://everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook_pro/specs/macbook-pro-core-i7-3.1-15-mid-2017-retina-display-touch-bar-specs.html

 

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1 hour ago, BigBoy10 said:

@Smurf hi, I have been offered the following MacBook for a price of £300 by a close friend. In terms of specification it looks more than ok to run fm 20 smoothly however was just looking for assurances that it will be good, thanks mate. 
 

https://everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook_pro/specs/macbook-pro-core-i7-3.1-15-mid-2017-retina-display-touch-bar-specs.html

 

As FM 20 is not even out yet i wouldn't know if it ran it smoothly.

But it should be ok.

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On 21/10/2019 at 09:01, Smurf said:

Surface Pro probably would be the best bet - but instead of spending all that money on a system that will run it at a mediocre level, why not spend all that money on a kickass laptop?

Thanks for the reply, was already afraid of that.

Bought a Dell XPS 13 1,5 years ago and really really happy with it. 

I'm just looking to buy a tablet to browse the internet and watch stuff in the train, bed, holiday when I don't feel like bringing my laptop etc.

If you could play FM on it as well, it would be a big extra. But apparently you need something far more powerful than a iPad or Galaxy S5e/S6 lol. 

 

On 21/10/2019 at 19:03, Brother Ben said:

I've got one of these, can't praise it enough weighs like 600 grams, lightest Windows tablet you can get but you will have to dial down the amount of leagues and the 3D.  It's my lifeline on my daily commute.

Other than that you're looking at Microsoft Surface or any top of the range Windows tablet really but even they will need the 3D dialled down

Any of these should do it bar the Surface Go 

You'll need to taper your expectations though, any tablet will heat up and throttle pretty quickly

Thanks!

Think I will just buy a tablet without being able to play FM, because I'm not looking for a laptop replacement tablet. 

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1 hour ago, Sophomore said:

Think I will just buy a tablet without being able to play FM, because I'm not looking for a laptop replacement tablet. 

FM Touch on an iPad is pretty good, used my wife’s a fair bit before I got my own tablet 

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Sorry for the sort of unrelated question...

On my new PC I'm gonna have a 500GB SSD/NVME disk as the main one for OS and FM (game AND saves). However, I'm looking to replace my two 1TB HDD with a newer/bigger model, mostly for storage but occasionally for older games and basically anything that I won't be able to put on the SSD .

Oddly enough 7200rpm drives seem to be almost disappeared (from Amazon at least), while 5400rpm ones are dirt cheap... Is the lower price worth the lower R/W speed?

I'd still get a 7200rpm one, but it's Seagate and I don't have fond memories of the old Barracudas and their tendency to die on me way too often.

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21 hours ago, RBKalle said:

Sorry for the sort of unrelated question...

On my new PC I'm gonna have a 500GB SSD/NVME disk as the main one for OS and FM (game AND saves). However, I'm looking to replace my two 1TB HDD with a newer/bigger model, mostly for storage but occasionally for older games and basically anything that I won't be able to put on the SSD .

Oddly enough 7200rpm drives seem to be almost disappeared (from Amazon at least), while 5400rpm ones are dirt cheap... Is the lower price worth the lower R/W speed?

I'd still get a 7200rpm one, but it's Seagate and I don't have fond memories of the old Barracudas and their tendency to die on me way too often.

I would only use the 5400 for storage really 

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Hello @Smurf I have identified a few different laptops that I’m interested in buying purely for football manager 20. Not worried about the price comparison of these as I’m buying 2nd hand and have found good deals on all so would be grateful if you could help me out and let me know which one in your opinion would be the best choice. I only have the league I’m managing in as playable and the other leagues on view only and always download facepacks and logo’s etc. 
 

https://www.technoworld.com/acer-aspire-e5-523-93tu-2-9ghz-a9-9410-15-6-1366-x-768pixels-black-notebook-nx-gdnek-007

https://www.cnet.com/products/dell-inspiron-5558-15-6-core-i7-5500u-8-gb-ram-1-tb-hdd-english/

https://www.laptopoutlet.co.uk/hp-omen-15-ax004na-15-6-gaming-laptop-core-i3-6100h-8gb-ram-1tbhdd-128gb-ssd.html

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-HP-Envy-17t-j003-Notebook.100557.0.html

https://www.laptopoutlet.co.uk/asus-vivobook-x556ua-dm326t-15-6-full-hd-laptop-core-i7-6500u-8gb-ram-1tb-hdd.html?gclid=CjwKCAjwusrtBRBmEiwAGBPgExD7KHZmtPvx16-e2lYvBlJFQhQt_v2IzJPqtSeUOX5PQlEBnm9f3BoCpqgQAvD_BwE

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Hi, sorry to post again but hping to buy a new laptop this week as old one is packing in: 

 

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14 hours ago, HarryHall27 said:

Hello @Smurf I have identified a few different laptops that I’m interested in buying purely for football manager 20. Not worried about the price comparison of these as I’m buying 2nd hand and have found good deals on all so would be grateful if you could help me out and let me know which one in your opinion would be the best choice. I only have the league I’m managing in as playable and the other leagues on view only and always download facepacks and logo’s etc. 
 

https://www.technoworld.com/acer-aspire-e5-523-93tu-2-9ghz-a9-9410-15-6-1366-x-768pixels-black-notebook-nx-gdnek-007

https://www.cnet.com/products/dell-inspiron-5558-15-6-core-i7-5500u-8-gb-ram-1-tb-hdd-english/

https://www.laptopoutlet.co.uk/hp-omen-15-ax004na-15-6-gaming-laptop-core-i3-6100h-8gb-ram-1tbhdd-128gb-ssd.html

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-HP-Envy-17t-j003-Notebook.100557.0.html

https://www.laptopoutlet.co.uk/asus-vivobook-x556ua-dm326t-15-6-full-hd-laptop-core-i7-6500u-8gb-ram-1tb-hdd.html?gclid=CjwKCAjwusrtBRBmEiwAGBPgExD7KHZmtPvx16-e2lYvBlJFQhQt_v2IzJPqtSeUOX5PQlEBnm9f3BoCpqgQAvD_BwE

Thanks.

See https://www.box.co.uk/HP-Pavilion-15-cx0999na_2485084.html

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1 hour ago, bgs4 said:

Hi, sorry to post again but hping to buy a new laptop this week as old one is packing in: 

 

See links above  

You say 350-400 but one of the links is for 550?

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7 hours ago, Smurf said:

See https://www.box.co.uk/HP-Pavilion-15-cx0999na_2485084.html

Hi this looks great however I’m only looking to spend 300 ish which is what I can get all of the previously mentioned ones for. Out of those ones what would you recommend? Also found this acer nitro 5 for a price or 350 second hand from someone I know in excellent condition... is this the best out of the ones I’ve provided links for? Cheers mate.

https://uk-store.acer.com/nitro-5-gaming-laptop-an515-54-black-1?gclid=CjwKCAjw3c_tBRA4EiwAICs8CsgdDvkD0qmz38ktbco9AZKN5xHYQ8D_77gu8-rdfflt5K71ZUQgaRoC8zIQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

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33 minutes ago, HarryHall27 said:

Hi this looks great however I’m only looking to spend 300 ish which is what I can get all of the previously mentioned ones for. Out of those ones what would you recommend? Also found this acer nitro 5 for a price or 350 second hand from someone I know in excellent condition... is this the best out of the ones I’ve provided links for? Cheers mate.

https://uk-store.acer.com/nitro-5-gaming-laptop-an515-54-black-1?gclid=CjwKCAjw3c_tBRA4EiwAICs8CsgdDvkD0qmz38ktbco9AZKN5xHYQ8D_77gu8-rdfflt5K71ZUQgaRoC8zIQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

The one in the link is good - how do you know it's the exact same model?

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56 minutes ago, Smurf said:

The one in the link is good - how do you know it's the exact same model?

I asked for the laptop model/number and it shows on the system spec as - Nitro AN515-41. Looked it up and this is the exact one that matches so presuming it’s correct?? 

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13 hours ago, HarryHall27 said:

I asked for the laptop model/number and it shows on the system spec as - Nitro AN515-41. Looked it up and this is the exact one that matches so presuming it’s correct?? 

I just looked up that model number too

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2 hours ago, zakbrown96 said:

I know the device lacks an good graphic card but would it still be able to run at medium to low? As that’s good enough for me plus seems like an powerful processor 

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It has lots of cores/threads - which is great for multi tasking - but FM will use as many cores and threads available - it still requires a base speed of 2.2ghz- and this processor has a base speed of 1.1ghz. 

FM works a lot in the single thread.

Where it ranks quite high on all the lists I'd recommend to people look at - at 1.1ghz  just seems very low. 

I wouldn't be 100% sure on this - @EdL maybe can weigh in? 

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51 minutes ago, Smurf said:

It has lots of cores/threads - which is great for multi tasking - but FM will use as many cores and threads available - it still requires a base speed of 2.2ghz- and this processor has a base speed of 1.1ghz. 

FM works a lot in the single thread.

Where it ranks quite high on all the lists I'd recommend to people look at - at 1.1ghz  just seems very low. 

I wouldn't be 100% sure on this - @EdL maybe can weigh in? 

Or would an base model MacBook Pro 13inch 1.7GHz quad-core 8th‑generation Intel Core i7 processor, Turbo Boost up to 4.5GHz be an better purchase with an 

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8 hours ago, Smurf said:

It has lots of cores/threads - which is great for multi tasking - but FM will use as many cores and threads available - it still requires a base speed of 2.2ghz- and this processor has a base speed of 1.1ghz. 

FM works a lot in the single thread.

Where it ranks quite high on all the lists I'd recommend to people look at - at 1.1ghz  just seems very low. 

I wouldn't be 100% sure on this - @EdL maybe can weigh in? 

Does seem a bit of an odd to have such a low base frequency, it all depends on how much it throttles under load. I would *imagine* it will be fine though.

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Hello,

 

This thread is awesome by the way and very helpful.

I'm likely to buy this laptop, please let me know what you think?

ASUS TUF FX504GD-E41275T

KEY FEATURES

  • Intel Core i5-8300H Quad-Core Processor
  • 15.6" Full HD IPS Screen
  • Microsoft Windows 10 Home 64-bit
  • 8GB DDR4 2666MHz RAM
  • 256GB M.2 NVMe SSD
  • Dedicated GeForce GTX 1050 2GB Graphics
  • USB3 | HDMI | Bluetooth
  • Backlit Keyboard
  • FX504GD-E41275T

TThank you,

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14 hours ago, zakbrown96 said:

Or would an base model MacBook Pro 13inch 1.7GHz quad-core 8th‑generation Intel Core i7 processor, Turbo Boost up to 4.5GHz be an better purchase with an 

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Yeh - the Mac would be better probably - as the Mac Os has the processor requirement at 1.8ghz.

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6 hours ago, LDP said:

Hello,

 

This thread is awesome by the way and very helpful.

I'm likely to buy this laptop, please let me know what you think?

ASUS TUF FX504GD-E41275T

KEY FEATURES

  • Intel Core i5-8300H Quad-Core Processor
  • 15.6" Full HD IPS Screen
  • Microsoft Windows 10 Home 64-bit
  • 8GB DDR4 2666MHz RAM
  • 256GB M.2 NVMe SSD
  • Dedicated GeForce GTX 1050 2GB Graphics
  • USB3 | HDMI | Bluetooth
  • Backlit Keyboard
  • FX504GD-E41275T

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Looking to upgrade but not certain what to go for, which of these would you recommend as suitable for FM20 but also for more mundane stuff like word processing? 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Acer-AN515-54-15-6-inch-Gaming-Laptop/dp/B07TSMDBMM?th=1 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07SBRVQ7V/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=6738&creativeASIN=B07V38SGNR&linkCode=as2&tag=fmbase0f-21&linkId=e5249951de28c7ecc001b2e404fca3e4&th=1

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This seems unreal @Smurf small laptop at base 1.8ghz as asked Dell via the phone , it also comes with an graphic card not great but much cheaper than the MacBook and other one I shown https://www.dell.com/en-uk/shop/laptops-notebooks-and-2-in-1-laptops/new-inspiron-13-5000/spd/inspiron-13-5391-wifi-laptop/cn59105

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this is my specs, would i be okay to run Fm 2020?

 

Radeon Software Version - 19.5.2
Radeon Software Edition - Adrenalin 2019
Graphics Chipset - AMD Radeon R5 Graphics
Memory Size - 512 MB
Memory Type - DDR4
Core Clock - 720 MHz
Windows Version - Windows 10 (64 bit)
System Memory - 8 GB
CPU Type - AMD A10-9600P RADEON R5, 10 COMPUTE CORES 4C+6G
 

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On 26/10/2019 at 08:14, Smurf said:

See links above  

You say 350-400 but one of the links is for 550?

Yeah- ideally I'd spend less but if there is a significant difference in quality then I'll pay the extra?

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On 28/10/2019 at 16:14, Hunt1989 said:

Thoughts on this https://www.ebuyer.com/879510-hp-250-g7-laptop-intel-core-i5-8265u-1-6ghz-8gb-ddr4-256gb-ssd-6mp21es-abu

I know most laptops recommended are £600+ but I find hard to justify spending kind of money to just play on FM

Thanks

The processor speed is too low, minimum spec to run FM20 is 2.2GHz that one only runs at 1.6GHz. 

The minimum requirements for the game to run are:

Processor: Intel Pentium 4 (64-bit), Intel Core 2 or AMD Athlon 64 – 2.2 GHz + Memory: 2 GB RAM. Graphics: Intel GMA X4500, NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT or AMD/ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 – 256MB VRAM. DirectX: Version 11.

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On 28/10/2019 at 16:29, crarfc said:

this is my specs, would i be okay to run Fm 2020?

 

Radeon Software Version - 19.5.2
Radeon Software Edition - Adrenalin 2019
Graphics Chipset - AMD Radeon R5 Graphics
Memory Size - 512 MB
Memory Type - DDR4
Core Clock - 720 MHz
Windows Version - Windows 10 (64 bit)
System Memory - 8 GB
CPU Type - AMD A10-9600P RADEON R5, 10 COMPUTE CORES 4C+6G
 

cheers :)

anyone help?

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