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1 hour ago, Zemahh said:

Ryzen APUs benefit from RAM speed greatly, so 3200 MHz CL14 would be optimal for the said processor, although CL16 is still okay.

Well I would say CL15 to be honest.

And initially you said about RAM in conjunction with graphics if the game, my response was towards this. And it may be optimal but I dont know if you will get much gains from the RAM, well any noticeable gains.

Go with 2 sticks at 8gb each. 

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8 hours ago, Smurf said:

And initially you said about RAM in conjunction with graphics if the game, my response was towards this.

Well yes, there will be quite noticeable FPS differences with faster RAM, when it comes to Ryzen APUs. 3200 MHz is apparently the sweet spot.

I'm sure it could run FM in highest detail no problem, which is why it seems like an attractive option. But then again, I'm not sure how would an Intel for the comparable price do.

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Need to get myself a new laptop for continuing to work from home anyway as the company do not provide them and trying to find one that I can handle fm21 as well as all the players facepacks logos etc that I download. Would appreciate anyone’s opinion on the below laptop as an option.

im not the best when it comes to researching graphics cards and processors but to my untrained eye it seems not bad

https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/acer-aspire-5-a515-43-15-6-amd-ryzen-7-laptop-256-gb-ssd-black-10193895-pdt.html

 

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Hi guys, I’m wanting to understand how clock speed will affect the game.

I have deals on i7 10th gen processors, but with a ‘u’ processor, meaning it’s 1.8GHz (4.9 GHz max turbo), with i7-10510u.

the ram is 16gb, 512gb storage, with a mx230 graphics card.

My assumption would be that with the other specs and processor I would be able to play fm quite comfortably, but I’m just wanting to understand the impact of the ultra low power

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3 hours ago, Zemahh said:

Well yes, there will be quite noticeable FPS differences with faster RAM, when it comes to Ryzen APUs. 3200 MHz is apparently the sweet spot.

I'm sure it could run FM in highest detail no problem, which is why it seems like an attractive option. But then again, I'm not sure how would an Intel for the comparable price do.

Frame rate won't matter all that much for FM as far as I know, it's 60hz - but I've been stumped on this thread already - perhaps @EdLcan let us know?

In the video - there might be a overclocking of VRAM going on, and this is limited by manufacturer. An interesting video, but unless the RAM is swapped out on the exact same laptop, you will see variations. 

An intel for comparable price will do the exact same job,  you're talking about calculating nano seconds, which is an enternity in computers, but mere flash for humans.

If this is just for FM you are severely overthinking it.

I seriously doubt you'll see any difference at all in higher RAM speeds for the graphics. 

 

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7 minutes ago, Smurf said:

Frame rate won't matter all that much for FM as far as I know, it's 60hz - but I've been stumped on this thread already - perhaps @EdLcan let us know?

In the video - there might be a overclocking of VRAM going on, and this is limited by manufacturer. An interesting video, but unless the RAM is swapped out on the exact same laptop, you will see variations. 

An intel for comparable price will do the exact same job,  you're talking about calculating nano seconds, which is an enternity in computers, but mere flash for humans.

If this is just for FM you are severely overthinking it.

I seriously doubt you'll see any difference at all in higher RAM speeds for the graphics. 

 

I can't imagine it will make anything other than marginal gains for FM

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@Smurf @kevhamster Hi Guys looking for a new laptop for Fm21 , I only play Fm and play with a large database and around 10 nations loaded a couple leagues on each but only play in 2D classic with no face packs or anything added on just looking for something that will run the game no issues.

I have a budget of around £600-650 max and have looked over some of the previous posts i am looking at the 2 laptops below wondering which would be best any advice or recommendations of other laptops would be appreciated.

https://www.argos.co.uk/product/8440710

https://www.box.co.uk/81LK0039UK-Lenovo-IdeaPad-Gaming-L340-15_2934443.html

Thanks

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11 minutes ago, EdL said:

I can't imagine it will make anything other than marginal gains for FM

If you don't mind, what would be your opinion on the Ryzen 3400G, when it comes to FM? Would you recommend any other CPU (w/ integrated graphics) in the same price range or is it a good choice?

About to pull the trigger and order it, but don't want to make any decisions I'll regret. :D

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6 minutes ago, Zemahh said:

If you don't mind, what would be your opinion on the Ryzen 3400G, when it comes to FM? Would you recommend any other CPU (w/ integrated graphics) in the same price range or is it a good choice?

About to pull the trigger and order it, but don't want to make any decisions I'll regret. :D

I have no idea - you won't share any links or any pricing you are paying. So I can't advise you any further.

 

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3 hours ago, Shwinerz said:

Hi guys, I’m wanting to understand how clock speed will affect the game.

I have deals on i7 10th gen processors, but with a ‘u’ processor, meaning it’s 1.8GHz (4.9 GHz max turbo), with i7-10510u.

the ram is 16gb, 512gb storage, with a mx230 graphics card.

My assumption would be that with the other specs and processor I would be able to play fm quite comfortably, but I’m just wanting to understand the impact of the ultra low power

To clarify, ideally I’d be playing 3D, with medium graphics settings, as high as possible that the laptop can handle

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29 minutes ago, Zemahh said:

If you don't mind, what would be your opinion on the Ryzen 3400G, when it comes to FM? Would you recommend any other CPU (w/ integrated graphics) in the same price range or is it a good choice?

About to pull the trigger and order it, but don't want to make any decisions I'll regret. :D

I don't really have any experience with these setups so I wouldn't want to comment as it would be pure speculation I'm afraid.

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18 minutes ago, Smurf said:

I have no idea - you won't share any links or any pricing you are paying. So I can't advise you any further.

I apologise, here it is:

  • Ryzen 5 3400G
  • ASRock B450M mATX
  • G. Skill Trident DDR4 3200 CL14 2x8GB
  • Crucial 500GB M.2 SSD
  • Kolink Enclave 80+ Gold Modular 700W
  • Fractal Design Focus G mATX case

Totals in 614EUR / 553GBP where I'm from. I could get the same configuration a tad cheaper if I order abroad, but I want it to be ready and built before Miles presses the button. :D

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10 minutes ago, Zemahh said:

I apologise, here it is:

  • Ryzen 5 3400G
  • ASRock B450M mATX
  • G. Skill Trident DDR4 3200 CL14 2x8GB
  • Crucial 500GB M.2 SSD
  • Kolink Enclave 80+ Gold Modular 700W
  • Fractal Design Focus G mATX case

Totals in 614EUR / 553GBP where I'm from. I could get the same configuration a tad cheaper if I order abroad, but I want it to be ready and built before Miles presses the button. :D

Closest process is the the i5-9400 and it's not in the same graphics league

Good write up here

https://uk.pcmag.com/sound-cards/122798/amd-ryzen-5-3400g

All in all it should perform well for FM - but then again, I've never had the pleasure of testing any machine, I can only by spec.

 

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15 hours ago, Workington-afc said:

Hi guys, I Missed out playing much fm20 due to my laptop being rubbish and Google stadia having bugs meaning I couldn't save the game after a few seasons. However the short time I did get to play on stadia I noticed journeyman type saves with lots of leagues ran very quick and I got really into it. I did however miss being able to add kits and badges etc.

With all that in mind I'm Looking to Buy a pc or laptop for fm21. I'm assuming a desktop pc would be the cheaper option. I have a budget of around £500. I've found these 2 deals on amazon. Will they run a decent journeyman (30 to 40 divisions large data base) save OK? Which one is better? Or does any one know of a better option?
Very unlikely I will Use this pc for anything other than fm so I'm assuming graphics cards aren't too important? 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B08HRWGJY6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_jwjOFb9E8YY1B?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B08DW3LFYQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_VwjOFbG279MC8?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

Thanks for the help
Ryan
 

Bump, anyone? Am I being a bit optimistic with the Price? 

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6 hours ago, f.zaarour said:

A question about FM21 on my old laptop, a T430. I played FM20 on it, and it was oke. I dont mind about graphics and 3d (which i dont use ingame) so would i be able to play FM21 on it like i did with FM20...?

Currently, this is entirely guesswork as nobody aside from those actually working at SI have played FM21.  But the system specs are broadly very similar so in theory, yes.

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5 hours ago, Workington-afc said:

Bump, anyone? Am I being a bit optimistic with the Price? 

I'd disregard the second one entirely.  That's a processor from 2011, and whilst it was top of the range back when it was introduced, I'd suggest you'd be better off leaving that well alone.

The other one on the other hand is a decent price for the entire package, but it's very hard to gauge how well it will process a large save as I don't have any direct experience with that CPU, nor do I know what would be an acceptable speed to you.

My main questions would be, do you already have the peripherals (ie monitor, keyboard etc) for a desktop PC, or did you include a package with those because you'd need to buy those as well?  And also, do you play in 3D or 2D?

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1 hour ago, kevhamster said:

I'd disregard the second one entirely.  That's a processor from 2011, and whilst it was top of the range back when it was introduced, I'd suggest you'd be better off leaving that well alone.

The other one on the other hand is a decent price for the entire package, but it's very hard to gauge how well it will process a large save as I don't have any direct experience with that CPU, nor do I know what would be an acceptable speed to you.

My main questions would be, do you already have the peripherals (ie monitor, keyboard etc) for a desktop PC, or did you include a package with those because you'd need to buy those as well?  And also, do you play in 3D or 2D?

Thanks for the reply, I will throw out that 2nd one. Yeah I would need to buy those peripherals but I'm happy to spend around £500 on the computer and add the other bits on top. I tend to play mainly in 2d but quite often watch goal replays in 3d. It's a long time since I shopped for any kind of hardware and my knowledge is very basic so the help is very much appreciated. 

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31 minutes ago, Workington-afc said:

Thanks for the reply, I will throw out that 2nd one. Yeah I would need to buy those peripherals but I'm happy to spend around £500 on the computer and add the other bits on top. I tend to play mainly in 2d but quite often watch goal replays in 3d. It's a long time since I shopped for any kind of hardware and my knowledge is very basic so the help is very much appreciated. 

I can't find anything in the price range I'd consider better overall, especially taking into account the other peripherals thrown in with it.

My one concern with it would be in terms of warranty.  The warranty is obviously only as good as the seller when it's not from a recognised manufacturer, and I have had experience of a seller on Amazon disappearing within a warranty period, so I've always been wary of Amazon PC listings for non-branded builds since.

You could get effectively the same system from PC Specialist for £460.00, but obviously without the monitor etc.  If you're happy to pay for the monitor on top of this, then this would be the route I would take, purely because I'd be more comfortable that the warranty is good with this route: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-home-office/!6AUNfMKrG/

There are also some options which would be stronger that you can configure, but this does bring the price of the PC alone up to closer to £550, so I can give a link to that if that's a cost you're comfortable with.

 

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54 minutes ago, Come_On_You_Spurs said:

I am getting the new Macbook Pro (with the silicon chip) for work. I realize that Macs are overpriced, but a PC is not an option. Will the game be fine for the new silicon macs be ok for FM 21?

I can't find enough info about them to be sure.   Apple likes to keep their cards very close to their chests.

I'd suggest trying the demo once it's out and seeing how you find the performance.

https://medium.com/swlh/just-how-fast-is-apple-silicon-a6d3e1804ba6 suggests the chips should be pretty good, but it's hard to say for sure.

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Hey guys, I'm considering forking out for a new laptop so what do you think about this one? How many leagues do you think it could run smoothly?

https://www.instar-informatika.hr/ultrabook-asus-vivobook-s14-s433jq-wb714t-14-fhd-ips-intel-core-i7-1065g7-up-to-39ghz-8gb-ddr4-512gb-nvme-ssd-nvidia-geforce-mx350-2gb-no-odd-win-10-2-god-best-buy/ASU-0552/product/

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1 hour ago, luka_zg said:

Hey guys, I'm considering forking out for a new laptop so what do you think about this one? How many leagues do you think it could run smoothly?

https://www.instar-informatika.hr/ultrabook-asus-vivobook-s14-s433jq-wb714t-14-fhd-ips-intel-core-i7-1065g7-up-to-39ghz-8gb-ddr4-512gb-nvme-ssd-nvidia-geforce-mx350-2gb-no-odd-win-10-2-god-best-buy/ASU-0552/product/

Way below min spec - read the opening post.

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20 hours ago, El Patron35 said:

@Smurf @kevhamster Hi Guys looking for a new laptop for Fm21 , I only play Fm and play with a large database and around 10 nations loaded a couple leagues on each but only play in 2D classic with no face packs or anything added on just looking for something that will run the game no issues.

I have a budget of around £600-650 max and have looked over some of the previous posts i am looking at the 2 laptops below wondering which would be best any advice or recommendations of other laptops would be appreciated.

https://www.argos.co.uk/product/8440710

https://www.box.co.uk/81LK0039UK-Lenovo-IdeaPad-Gaming-L340-15_2934443.html

Thanks

Hi could anyone advise if these would suitable and if the HP would be worth spending slightly more?

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9 minutes ago, El Patron35 said:

Hi could anyone advise if these would suitable and if the HP would be worth spending slightly more?

Both are fine, and I would say the HP is worth the extra £50.

The Ryzen in the HP has a higher clock speed, the single core performance looks better based on the benchmarking sites and it has two more cores, meaning it's should be quite a bit stronger all round.

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19 minutes ago, kevhamster said:

Both are fine, and I would say the HP is worth the extra £50.

The Ryzen in the HP has a higher clock speed, the single core performance looks better based on the benchmarking sites and it has two more cores, meaning it's should be quite a bit stronger all round.

Thanks for your help Ill go for the HP

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11 hours ago, kevhamster said:

I can't find anything in the price range I'd consider better overall, especially taking into account the other peripherals thrown in with it.

My one concern with it would be in terms of warranty.  The warranty is obviously only as good as the seller when it's not from a recognised manufacturer, and I have had experience of a seller on Amazon disappearing within a warranty period, so I've always been wary of Amazon PC listings for non-branded builds since.

You could get effectively the same system from PC Specialist for £460.00, but obviously without the monitor etc.  If you're happy to pay for the monitor on top of this, then this would be the route I would take, purely because I'd be more comfortable that the warranty is good with this route: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-home-office/!6AUNfMKrG/

There are also some options which would be stronger that you can configure, but this does bring the price of the PC alone up to closer to £550, so I can give a link to that if that's a cost you're comfortable with.

 

Yeah I could probably stretch to £550 if you think it's going to make a big difference? What upgrades would u get for the extra money?? A solid warrenty does seem like a sensible idea tbh.

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6 minutes ago, Workington-afc said:

Yeah I could probably stretch to £550 if you think it's going to make a big difference? What upgrades would u get for the extra money?? A solid warrenty does seem like a sensible idea tbh.

I'd go for this: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-home-office/2CWbvcgeZH/

The Ryzen 5 2600X is quite a lot stronger than the 3400G, but doesn't have integrated graphics, hence the dedicated graphics card.  The GTX 1030 is fairly modest but quite comparable to the integrated graphics on the 3400G.

 

EDIT: Depending on how much storage you need, you could swap out the 1TB hard drive for a 256GB SSD for faster overall performance for roughly the same price (just obviously much less storage).

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50 minutes ago, goldentatas said:

The Pavillion is the one I'd go for out of those two.  Although the Ryzen 7 based laptop has higher RAM, it's also an ultra low power processor so more likely to be throttled under load.  

Also, it has a dedicated graphics card so will perform the 3D match engine at the highest settings.

BUT; You can get one here for the same price with twice the storage: https://www.box.co.uk/1L6F6EAABU-HP-Pavilion-Gaming-15-ec1007na_2958258.html

The graphics card isn't quite as strong (GTX 1650 as opposed to the Ti version on the one in John Lewis) but if you're not playing other games the standard 1650 will be ample.

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currently looking at one of these 2 in time for FM21, which would be better? 

https://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/asus-ryzen-5-3550h-8gb-512gb-ssd-geforce-gtx-1650-4gb-17.3-inch-windows-10-fx705dt-h7116t/version.asp

or

https://www.amazon.co.uk/HP-Pavilion-15-dk0010na-i5-9300H-Dedicated/dp/B07S9NZ92D?ref_=Oct_DLandingS_D_d1cd699c_62&smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE

only ever used HP laptops and not sure which would be better value for money

thanks again for the help guys

 

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1 hour ago, PAFC_Dugout said:

currently looking at one of these 2 in time for FM21, which would be better? 

https://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/asus-ryzen-5-3550h-8gb-512gb-ssd-geforce-gtx-1650-4gb-17.3-inch-windows-10-fx705dt-h7116t/version.asp

or

https://www.amazon.co.uk/HP-Pavilion-15-dk0010na-i5-9300H-Dedicated/dp/B07S9NZ92D?ref_=Oct_DLandingS_D_d1cd699c_62&smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE

only ever used HP laptops and not sure which would be better value for money

thanks again for the help guys

 

The HP on Amazon by some distance.  Considerably stronger processor, same graphics card and £60 less.

The only downside is the smaller storage, but as long as you don't need huge amounts of space then the HP is definitely the one to go for.

Although, this one I linked in my previous reply to you is the same spec, but £50 lower still: https://www.box.co.uk/FX505GT-BQ008T-ASUS-TUF-Gaming-FX505GT-BQ008T_2940903.html

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5 minutes ago, steff91 said:

Been given a laptop by someone i THINK it may run FM 21 but not too sure..

 

How many leagues nations etc and overall is this decent?

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It'll run FM, but I don't imagine it will be terribly quick.  That's a processor from 2011, so it's going to be slow by current standards.

You can't argue for the price of free... just manage your expectations that that it's likely going to be quite slow to process between matches, and if you play in 3D you'll probably need to dial it down to low or very low settings.

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Just now, kevhamster said:

It'll run FM, but I don't imagine it will be terribly quick.  That's a processor from 2011, so it's going to be slow by current standards.

You can't argue for the price of free... just manage your expectations that that it's likely going to be quite slow to process between matches, and if you play in 3D you'll probably need to dial it down to low or very low settings.

can a processor be upgraded?

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19 minutes ago, luka_zg said:

Instead of beeing smart you could have just directed me to this thread.. 

 

In fairness, it does say read the opening post in the actual title of the thread, and whether or not that thread will help depends on whether someone has already benchmarked a computer with that CPU or not.

You asked whether or not the computer would be suitable, and you got a reply.

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Hallo. I’m looking for laptop for FM2021. My budget is 600€. I thinking about laptop with processor i5 10351G. Craphic card is not important for Me. I play 2D. About RAM I think for start 8 GB of RAM should be enough. Can somebody give some help Please ? 

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8 hours ago, phillavin84 said:

Hi all, I am looking for a new laptop for a few general things but also to play fm21... could anyone please tell me if would this be suitable? Thanks in advance 

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I wouldn't recommend it as it only has 4GB of RAM.  You really want to aim for at least 16GB of RAM.

If you say what your budget it and what else you'll be using it for and we may be able to come up with some suggestions.

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4 minutes ago, bartepd said:

Hallo. I’m looking for laptop for FM2021. My budget is 600€. I thinking about laptop with processor i5 10351G. Craphic card is not important for Me. I play 2D.

I wouldn't recommend that CPU.  Base clock speed of 1.00GHz and TDP of 13w to 15w means that will get throttled hard under load.

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3 minutes ago, kevhamster said:

I wouldn't recommend it as it only has 4GB of RAM.  You really want to aim for at least 16GB of RAM.

If you say what your budget it and what else you'll be using it for and we may be able to come up with some suggestions.

Hi, thanks for the reply and info. It will only be for my lad to do some homework on it (hes 8 so nothing major), the usual browsing and excel for my mrs’ accounts. Other than that fm21 👍🏼. Anything up to £500 I was thinking. Thanks very much 

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4 minutes ago, kevhamster said:

I wouldn't recommend that CPU.  Base clock speed of 1.00GHz and TDP of 13w to 15w means that will get throttled hard under load.

Alright. What about i7 8550U ? With 16GB RAM DDR4 

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5 minutes ago, phillavin84 said:

Hi, thanks for the reply and info. It will only be for my lad to do some homework on it (hes 8 so nothing major), the usual browsing and excel for my mrs’ accounts. Other than that fm21 👍🏼. Anything up to £500 I was thinking. Thanks very much 

This is the strongest one I can currently find within that price range: https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/hp-15s-eq1510sa-15-6-laptop-amd-ryzen-5-256-gb-ssd-silver-10207935-pdt.html

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4 minutes ago, bartepd said:

Alright. What about i7 8550U ? With 16GB RAM DDR4 

Honestly, I still wouldn't.  Only just meets the base clock requirements for FM21, and below for FM20 and before.  Again, low TDP means it will get throttled.

Doesn't mean it won't run the game, but I'd prefer to err on the side of caution in case you spend that money and find out the performance isn't satisfactory.

As you gave your budget in Euros, link me some sites that cell laptops in your country and I'll see if I can find anything that would be suitable.

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Just now, bartepd said:

Looks nice. Ryzen is a good processor?

That version of the Ryzen 5 is strong, especially for one in the U (meaning low power range).  Clock speed meets all the requirements, and it scores decently on the notebookecheck website.  Plus, the integrated graphics on that chip should be able to handle the 3D match engine in the higher setting ranges.  May not manage Ultra, but should handle a mix of medium and high setttings.

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