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vor 5 Minuten schrieb knap:

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Tested like that and most of my tactics are not the same either side to create variety.

If I wanted both sides the same, would you rather add man-marking to AML or remove man-marking from AMR?

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Tweak to 4231 Paris Walkways. 

I have tested this with Middlesboro who are underdogs and with Salzburg to see how it does against bigger champions league teams. 

Santos is a current test with some traits added. 

Middlesboro finished 2nd (1 point off champions!) and so far in Austria we are unbeaten. Beating Bayern and Chelsea on the way and finishing top of the group:) 

In Salzburg I have trained the strikers to "beat offside trap" and "play one-twos" and both wingers to "get into opposition area" All the front three have great pace, accelerations and decisions. 

Anybody that is able to test, I would appreciate your feedback. 

I am working on a "best traits" list for the tactic to help get the best out of them. 

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48 minutes ago, MAECK said:

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MAeck.. for this tactic I can only find the ME21.4 version.

Where can I find the version for ME21.5??

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10 hours ago, radetzky said:

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Cautious mentality + standard LOE

 

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When you are playing against a smaller team, which tactic do u use there?

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@Toadphill

If DL does not show on screenshot then it is standard.

If you want the detailed instructions there are links on my YT Channel to detailed vids.

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40 minutes ago, knap said:

@Toadphill

If DL does not show on screenshot then it is standard.

If you want the detailed instructions there are links on my YT Channel to detailed vids.

@knap, thanks mate. Much appreciated.

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I find this whole thread very confusing and overwhelming, so I thought I'd just post what I'm looking for and hope there's something here that'll work.

I generally start saves with sub-top or relegation threatened teams and try to turn them into league and European champions over a few seasons.

I'm looking for a tactic that will improve with my squad as I strengthen it and that is as close to plug and play as possible.

I just want to have a bit of fun tbh.

I am also using the latest update 

I'd appreciate any help as well as any hints and tips to get the most out of any tactic I may end up using.

I've uploaded 3 preferred formations, but I'm open to others based on the strength of the tactic(s)

Thanks

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I know I’m wayyyy behind everyone else but I’m working from home and need some Fm on the side ! 

still have fm20 does anyone have a recommendation for a long save tactic starting in league one ? 
 

ta :)

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34 minutes ago, Whufc10000 said:

I find this whole thread very confusing and overwhelming, so I thought I'd just post what I'm looking for and hope there's something here that'll work.

I generally start saves with sub-top or relegation threatened teams and try to turn them into league and European champions over a few seasons.

I'm looking for a tactic that will improve with my squad as I strengthen it and that is as close to plug and play as possible.

I just want to have a bit of fun tbh.

I am also using the latest update 

I'd appreciate any help as well as any hints and tips to get the most out of any tactic I may end up using.

I've uploaded 3 preferred formations, but I'm open to others based on the strength of the tactic(s)

Thanks

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i suggest the TIME tactics, i play 4-2-3-1 version and literally plug and play it, i manage Aston Villa, im in 3rd season and just won champions league, and just signed Haaland, so its going well :)

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5 minutes ago, superharber said:

i suggest the TIME tactics, i play 4-2-3-1 version and literally plug and play it, i manage Aston Villa, im in 3rd season and just won champions league, and just signed Haaland, so its going well :)

Hi, thanks for that, can I just ask you a few questions?

Are you playing with the latest update?

Is it purely "plug and play" or does it require any changing of mentality for certain games?

Can you tell me how well you did season by season?

Thanks

(edit) Do you have a link to the tactic or page it's on? Cheers

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@Whufc10000

The tactic are on google docs (always in OP) and each column can be sorted.

If you sort the total test column the 2 top tactics are 451 and 4231

IMO 3 at back do not work as well as other formations but if you wanted a 3 at back formation sort google docs by formation. 343 is probably the most current 3 at back.

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1 minute ago, knap said:

@Whufc10000

The tactic are on google docs (always in OP) and each column can be sorted.

If you sort the total test column the 2 top tactics are 451 and 4231

IMO 3 at back do not work as well as other formations but if you wanted a 3 at back formation sort google docs by formation. 343 is probably the most current 3 at back.

Much appreciated, thanks

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Weighted attributes Pdf

Attribute_Weights.pdf.pdf35.17 kB · 59 downloads

Filters from The Prof

filters_110854 (1).zip182.39 kB · 25 downloads

TEST RESULTS

You can use results in a few ways.

Top covers say top 5 Clubs in Division Mid the next 7 and then under dog.

Just use totals as an all round tactic.

Use best top at home and best underdog away or difficult games.

You can mix and match with your preferred formations.

It is just a guide to help identify right tactic.

AWAY GAMES SUS

With regard to Away games it depends upon your own risk factor. I am gung ho and prefer to attack and perhaps win 1 game in 3. If isk adverse then use a defensive tactic and perhaps draw all 3 games.

As a defensive formation I would use 4141 as it has a DM and protects wings, and KINGSTONIAN 4141 would be my choice.

I use 3 DLs std higher much higher. If AI are going for balls over top then std but if AI attacking you can leave at higher ormuch higher. 

The LOE can be adjusted with or without DL adjustments. The simple answer is just drop LOE..

I use Cautious positive and attacking mentalities.

For a SUS these are ideas to use.

Use 4141 formation

Remove pass into space

Stop WB runs by go

ing to defend or no nonsense FB

Use Defend on DM or most defensive MC

Change mentality Positive/cautious

Add Time wasting

Change from counter press and counter and full SUS would be to regroup and hold shape

I tend to judge what to use by how the game is progressing as you may just to want to control game rather than a full SU

SHOUTS FROM CADON

Calm Down (win by 1 goal diff) -

Praise (win by 2 goal diff) -

Berate (loss by 2 goal diff) -

Demand More (loss by 1 goal diff or draw)

 

 

RDF TRAINING SCHEDULES

For_Knaps_Tactics_One_Match_RDF.fmf19.24 kB · 176 downloads

For_Knaps_Tactics_Two_Matches_RDF.fmf19.24 kB · 148 downloads

 

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@Whufc10000

 

Can you see the tabs at bottom - go to me 21.4/21.5 which has latestest tactics - then sort columns for what you want.

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7 minutes ago, knap said:

@Whufc10000

 

Can you see the tabs at bottom - go to me 21.4/21.5 which has latestest tactics - then sort columns for what you want.

Got there, thanks

Now I just have to ask "superharber" which 4231 Time tactic he's using  :lol:

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13 minutes ago, Whufc10000 said:

Got there, thanks

Now I just have to ask "superharber" which 4231 Time tactic he's using  :lol:

Time 451p108allcups would match up with your 2nd preferred formation. I use this and a separate formation (Obelisk). Keeps the AI guessing.

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3 ore fa, TobyDK ha scritto:

When you are playing against a smaller team, which tactic do u use there?

The same or parisienne with wingers that is quite similar. 

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@RossGib900

 

 

Although it happens that you can hit a bad spell for unknown  reasons apart from luck, there is no harm in a short change of tactic.

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@stian

 

All long tests are on 21.5. There is a FM 20 tactic Sicilian that has decent results.

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More tweaks!! 

Versions for Wingers and Inside Forwards depending what suits your team. 

Arsenal won the double at least with both tactics! 

Tests with Arsenal for sub top and elite with Liverpool. 

Really happy with the results, thanks @knap for testing with Liverpool. 

Please let me know any feedback if you test. I will provide player traits if tested. 

These work on the latest match engine!!!

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45 minutes ago, RossGib900 said:

@knap 

Aa mentioned, time 108 been smashing it for me in s7.

Only issue is in recent games, stopped being as effective. Any advice?

Change for a few games?

are any of your players unhappy? i've noticed that if i play any unhappy players in my team away from home it always goes balls up. figured it out last night as i usually have 22 really good players and have to rotate them to keep them happy, occasionally they get unhappy so i'll obviously try to play them more. i tested it loads and i've definitely noticed you can get away with playing them in home games but away? no chance.

may not even be related to your problem but just thought i'd throw it out there incase it helps anyone else! 

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45 minutes ago, LVercetti said:

More tweaks!! 

Versions for Wingers and Inside Forwards depending what suits your team. 

Arsenal won the double at least with both tactics! 

Tests with Arsenal for sub top and elite with Liverpool. 

Really happy with the results, thanks @knap for testing with Liverpool. 

Please let me know any feedback if you test. I will provide player traits if tested. 

These work on the latest match engine!!!

830040146_Arsenal-4231IF-PLCAC-League.PN

Arsenal - 4231 IF - PLCAC - Squad.PNG

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Arsenal - 4231 W - PLEL - Squad.PNG

Arsenal - 4231 W - PLEL - Table.PNG

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FM21.4PARISKnapPar1s4231LVERIF.fmf 45.06 kB · 13 downloads FM21ParisKnapPar1s4231LVERW.fmf 45.04 kB · 11 downloads

Training? Op instructions? 

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Cadoni is suggesting that the following shouts may help

- Calm Down (win by 1 goal diff) - Praise (win by 2 goal diff) - Berate (loss by 2 goal diff) - Demand More (loss by 1 goal diff or draw)

 

 

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I am so confused.

I was on my way out when I posted before, so decided to download the tactic when I got back. 

I've clicked onto the me v21.4/21.5 and all the tactics appear mixed up, whereas before they were all listed with tactics of the same formation?

My OCD is going banana's

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10 minutes ago, Whufc10000 said:

I am so confused.

I was on my way out when I posted before, so decided to download the tactic when I got back. 

I've clicked onto the me v21.4/21.5 and all the tactics appear mixed up, whereas before they were all listed with tactics of the same formation?

My OCD is going banana's

there's a little v thing that looks like a wifi signal at the top of each column. click that and you can sort them a-z or z-a. do it for the formation column if that's what you want to sort

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2 minutes ago, agreed said:

there's a little v thing that looks like a wifi signal at the top of each column. click that and you can sort them a-z or z-a. do it for the formation column if that's what you want to sort

I can't see it  :(

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