agreed Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 also cheers knap finally won the prem with blyth. tried out a ton of different formations but finally settled on warrior. still have no idea whats best for me though always find it hard when you're like 10 years into the game because even the bottom half teams still have insane newgens. ps - does anyone else have problems with fatigue? my players are constantly needing a rest and even at like half time my players are knackered. obviously these tactics are high intensity but haven't experienced it this bad on previous versions of fm 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Africa Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 1 hour ago, solounamigo said: FM21.4DARKSIDEOFTHEMOONKnap41320P105ECFA First season easy test with FC Barcelona. Won everything and Messi was on fire (no transfers). Now I'll rebuild the complete team, want to minimize the depts and bring in some fresh guys. Already saw some nice talents in "la masia". Amazing tactic as always knap! Happy new year guys Solo i was missing Your posts! Good job(white Europe) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Africa Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 11 minutes ago, knap said: Happy New Year Everyone You too legend! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 FM 21.4 ME WARRIOR 41212 P102 FA CC FM21.4WARRIORKnap441212P102FACC.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 FM 21.4 ME F.U.B.B. 4312 P101 EC FM21.4F.U.B.B.Knap4312P101EC.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 @Black Africa never twigged! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 @agreed Maybe check out FUBB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazzius Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 On 30/12/2020 at 13:51, hartono.arianto said: Hi guys, Thanks Knap for the great formation, I use the Fenom&FaithKnap41212 for Valencia, managed to win the La Liga on the first season unbeaten. But what surprised me most, was the first match on the second season against a newly promoted Leganes (away). My Valencia won the match 16-0 with 54:0 shoot (I even had 2 of my goals disallowed). I check the Leganes team after the match, nothing wrong (no fake or temporary players) with them. Nothing special on my squad either, 80% of them are the original Valencia player. Any of you guys had this experience before? Best regards, Ben VENOM & FAITH 41212 P100 pag 339 is AWESOME!!! won seria a with Benevento 1st season and second place with Spezia Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinardier8282 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Il y a 4 heures, cazzius a dit : VENOM & FAITH 41212 P100 pag 339 is AWESOME!!! won seria a with Benevento 1st season and second place with Spezia I tested it with Bordeaux look a very good tactic. I used it latest patch and was awesome, still perform now ! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovinho Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 4 hours ago, pinardier8282 said: I tested it with Bordeaux look a very good tactic. I used it latest patch and was awesome, still perform now ! Where can I find that tactic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 FM 21.4 ME WARRIOR 4141 P101 FA FM21.4WARRIORKnap44141P101FA.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benoit80 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Hello, KNAP for you, what's the best 4-2-3-1?Because run like looks good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 @Benoit80 RUN is about as much movement as possible with all outfield players on roam, rather than based on pure results. I would so you need a top team buy you never know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benoit80 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 For subtop what 4-2-3-1? and for underdog? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Robot Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 (edited) Can you tell what the names of your tactics mean. Especially these one which uses the same system but have different names. Also kashmir, preaching blue etc Happy new yeas Edited January 1, 2021 by Mr.Robot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinardier8282 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Il y a 2 heures, Jovinho a dit : Where can I find that tactic? Page 339 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souljacker Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 are the new warrior tactics tweaked to be better than the 442 or just for different players? I guess the 4141 is the SUS version? Cheers! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drhay53 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 2 hours ago, Benoit80 said: For subtop what 4-2-3-1? and for underdog? I won Ligue 1 with Parisienne (the wingers version) with RC Lens, media prediction 19. I played Positive mentality in away games. The TIME 4231 is pretty good too but the corner routine is pretty vulnerable to counter attacks against better teams. I have not been able to get the Beowulf 4231 with RMD's to work very well, and I have not really played the Parisienne with IF's much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedesco Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 9 saat önce, pinardier8282 said: I tested it with Bordeaux look a very good tactic. I used it latest patch and was awesome, still perform now ! Do it works at 21.4 ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommickTT Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 10 hours ago, pinardier8282 said: I tested it with Bordeaux look a very good tactic. I used it latest patch and was awesome, still perform now ! Hey Pianardier can you show me a screen of how you set it up with the actual Bordeaux team? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazzius Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 (edited) 33 minutes ago, tommickTT said: Hey Pianardier can you show me a screen of how you set it up with the actual Bordeaux team? Spezia 2020/2021 2021/2022 Edited January 1, 2021 by cazzius Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 (edited) Early details of the work on weighted attributes. Basically what is hot and what is not. Attribute_Weights.pdf.pdf Edited January 1, 2021 by knap 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duque Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 @knap hey man, happy new year. Is there a tactic with three centre attacking midfielders? I can’t seem to find one, been looking through your tactics for a while. thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 @drhay53 I've updated the TIME 4231 Attack corner set up. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 FM 21.4 ME TIME 4231 C P104 EC FA FM21.4TIMEKnap4231CP104ECFA.fmf 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drhay53 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 @knap thanks for the TIME 4231 corner update, I did kind of like the short routine but against good teams who bring a defender out with the short option, you could lose the ball and your one "stay back" defender would be isolated against 1-2 of the opponent's best attackers. But there were some really cool goals from the short option. Frequently the short option would pass right back to the taker, who would then be wide open running into the box to pick out whatever he wanted to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 @drhay53 The problem is the players that stay back, the set up worksas an attacking option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 @duque 4312 narrow or 433 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 FM 21.4 ME TIME 4231 IW C P100 EC CC FM21.4TIMEKnap4231IWCP100ECCC.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Robot Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 9 hours ago, Mr.Robot said: Can you tell what the names of your tactics mean. Especially these one which uses the same system but have different names. Also kashmir, preaching blue etc Happy new yeas Sorry forget to mention you @knap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 @Mr.Robot They develop over years. KASHMIR started as a 433 and PREACHIN 451.They can morph into other formation but they keep most of the underlying structure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Robot Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 9 hours ago, knap said: @Mr.Robot They develop over years. KASHMIR started as a 433 and PREACHIN 451.They can morph into other formation but they keep most of the underlying structure. 9 hours ago, knap said: @Mr.Robot They develop over years. KASHMIR started as a 433 and PREACHIN 451.They can morph into other formation but they keep most of the underlying structure. @knapand ist there any meaning beyond this names to distinguish for example the 4231 systems? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyDepuydt1 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) I've been using the Parisien with wingers version with one small tweak, changed mentality to 'Positive' instead of attacking. With West Brom I finished 3rd, With Liverpool I even got a better result than the attacking version in de google doc: Won league, Champions league, FA Cup & Carabao Cup, only one loss all season (early in season away at city) - 107 pts, 130 goals for, only 16 against, 27 clean sheets in EPL Love the formation because it's one of the few that gives the lone striker the most goals and also love the fact that so many assists come from the DLP (FYI, this is the tactic I'm referring to: https://community.sigames.com/forums/topic/451185-fm-21-fm-20-tactic-list-fm-19-recommended-tactic-list/page/356/?tab=comments#comment-12846824) Edited January 2, 2021 by DavyDepuydt1 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boksor Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 13 minutes ago, DavyDepuydt1 said: I've been using the Parisien with wingers version with one small tweak, changed mentality to 'Positive' instead of attacking. With West Brom I finished 3rd, With Liverpool I even got a better result than the attacking version in de google doc: Won league, Champions league, FA Cup & Carabao Cup, only one loss all season (early in season away at city) - 107 pts, 130 goals for, only 16 against, 27 clean sheets in EPL Love the formation because it's one of the few that gives the lone striker the most goals (FYI, this is the tactic I'm referring to: https://community.sigames.com/forums/topic/451185-fm-21-fm-20-tactic-list-fm-19-recommended-tactic-list/page/356/?tab=comments#comment-12846824) Can you show the first eleven? Salah on the right and Mané on the left? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yuzojr Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 16 minutes ago, DavyDepuydt1 said: I've been using the Parisien with wingers version with one small tweak, changed mentality to 'Positive' instead of attacking. With West Brom I finished 3rd, With Liverpool I even got a better result than the attacking version in de google doc: Won league, Champions league, FA Cup & Carabao Cup, only one loss all season (early in season away at city) - 107 pts, 130 goals for, only 16 against, 27 clean sheets in EPL Love the formation because it's one of the few that gives the lone striker the most goals (FYI, this is the tactic I'm referring to: https://community.sigames.com/forums/topic/451185-fm-21-fm-20-tactic-list-fm-19-recommended-tactic-list/page/356/?tab=comments#comment-12846824) Good stuff mate! Just wondering, do you do anything different for away games? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyDepuydt1 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) @yuzojr it was a holiday season with "use current match tactics" and "use current selected players" selected, so the mentality/roles/duties/instructions were the same in every match... (SI also confirmed that the AM does nothing else except substitutions) So no, away games where the same @Boksor I've put Mané in the AF slot and ticked 'use current selected players' when holidaying, (because I wanted to check if the AF was the highest scoring player of the team ). The AM than mostly put Salah on the right, Firmino in the AMC slot... (can't remember who he chose on the left, will need to check later, but my game is holidaying another season atm to test something else ) Edited January 2, 2021 by DavyDepuydt1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 2, 2021 Author Share Posted January 2, 2021 @DavyDepuydt1 Kave you a link to the SI confirmation of AM not changing tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyDepuydt1 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) @knap I've asked it last week and nobody replied, but another guy asked it two days ago and SI replied "The game uses the match tactics selected. There's no change to roles or mentality, as there is Match Plans for that purpose. " Edited January 2, 2021 by DavyDepuydt1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 2, 2021 Author Share Posted January 2, 2021 @Mr.Robot BEOWULF is usually a 442 mid passing and tempo 442 PREACHIN usually 451 BLUE MATTER Usually 433 KASHMIR Very attacking type tactics usually 433 PARISIENE 4231 TIME No PIs used on outfield players DARK SIDE Maximum PIs and many TIs GOODBYE Minimum TI s HGF Usually very high tempo short passing VENOM High tempo short passing ROUTE 66 Very Direct passing MAD AS A HATTER Very attacking formation STARGAZING Uses Hit earl crosses PILGRIMAGE Usually 4141 WARRIOR Based from VOL Attack RUN LIKE HELL Outfield players on roam ARGUS Usually 3 at Back Most can morph into different formations or different instructions 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 2, 2021 Author Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) FM 21 TACTICS GOOGLE DOCS https://bit.ly/knap2021 YT Channelhttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCILCgjDOjzTjS2OjaTpwxJg Tactic table available from Baden Powell Weighted attributes Pdf Attribute_Weights.pdf.pdf RDF TRAINING SCHEDULES For_Knaps_Tactics_One_Match_RDF.fmf19.24 kB · 176 downloads For_Knaps_Tactics_Two_Matches_RDF.fmf19.24 kB · 148 downloads Edited January 2, 2021 by knap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 2, 2021 Author Share Posted January 2, 2021 FM 21.4 ME TIME 424 P101 FA FM21.4TIMEKnap424P101FA.fmf 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souljacker Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Sometimes it just clicks..... 6-0 in 33 mins! Using warrior 442 just put mentality on cautious for the game against Real Madrid. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazzius Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Knap What's the best tactic without inverted wing back? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 2, 2021 Author Share Posted January 2, 2021 @cazzius WARRIOR 442 P104 although you can treat IWBs as WBs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
avonseller Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 5 hours ago, DavyDepuydt1 said: I've been using the Parisien with wingers version with one small tweak, changed mentality to 'Positive' instead of attacking. With West Brom I finished 3rd, Could you post the stats etc with West Brom? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyDepuydt1 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 minute ago, avonseller said: Could you post the stats etc with West Brom? I don't have the stats anymore, I set autosave to 1 year, so my holiday seasons go fast and when the season is over I don't always manually save (because I like to keep the save at season start to try other tactics...) Points where 81, goals against 55 (goals for I don't remember), and Grant was topscorer in the EPL 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovinho Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Importance of opposition instructions and how they affect your tactics? Thank you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floegens Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) vor 3 Stunden schrieb knap: @Mr.Robot BEOWULF is usually a 442 mid passing and tempo 442 PREACHIN usually 451 BLUE MATTER Usually 433 KASHMIR Very attacking type tactics usually 433 PARISIENE 4231 TIME No PIs used on outfield players DARK SIDE Maximum PIs and many TIs GOODBYE Minimum TI s HGF Usually very high tempo short passing VENOM High tempo short passing ROUTE 66 Very Direct passing MAD AS A HATTER Very attacking formation STARGAZING Uses Hit earl crosses PILGRIMAGE Usually 4141 WARRIOR Based from VOL Attack RUN LIKE HELL Outfield players on roam ARGUS Usually 3 at Back Most can morph into different formations or different instructions Upvoted^^ "Sticky" pls (maybe in your OP?) - i was thinking about asking the same thing, so thank you @Mr.Robot and @Knap. To dive even a little bit deeper, if you could clarify the topic of PIs and TIs - i would guess that the fewer PIs, the better suited a tactic is for lower teams because of not overwhelming players with instructions? Same with TIs? Or what in general is your thought process when making tactics with few of one and/or the other? And 2nd: Except for the sub-/underdog columns in your google sheet (which are empty for latest ME as of now), is there any hint as to which tactics would fit rather only the top end of the spectrum and which is more likely to work also for a sub top-/underdog team? I reckon sorting by "goals against" and only going for defensively solid tactics as mid-table/underdog would be too rough of an approach? Reason for my and probably also Mr.Robots questions is the high amount of questions per day in your thread that could likely be reduced (so less work for you) through some brief explanations of your tactic "families". Thanks as so many times before in advance for your amazing work and clarification. cheers Edited January 2, 2021 by Floegens Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyDepuydt1 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 20 minutes ago, Jovinho said: Importance of opposition instructions and how they affect your tactics? Thank you. General consensus is that OI's shouldn't be used for most tactics, tactic creators mostly test them without OI and every OI you use makes the team deviate from the core tactic... So unless you really know in the match situation you are that the OI is really needed & will work, you shouldn't use them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 2, 2021 Author Share Posted January 2, 2021 @Jovinho I don't normally use them. There is a man marking guide in OP from last year and a few tactics have some positional marking.. No idea as last time I used them was FM 16. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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