Dreambuilder Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 4222 Sicilian might be good but the formation hurts my eyes.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 31, 2019 Author Share Posted December 31, 2019 Best underdog MR L is 4132 P106 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreambuilder Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 minute ago, knap said: Best underdog MR L is 4132 P106 Does that also count when you are the underdog in the champions league final? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
emraaa Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 12 minutes ago, Dreambuilder said: 4222 Sicilian might be good but the formation hurts my eyes.. It's pretty much just a 4-4-2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 31, 2019 Author Share Posted December 31, 2019 What formation are you looking for? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 31, 2019 Author Share Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) A few test results puts the order as follows (Excludes new tactics) OVERALL SUB TOP UNDERDOG OVERALL SUB TOP UNDERDOG FM 20.2 SICILIAN 4222 P101 1 7 1 3 4 6 FM 20 SYMPATHY 4222 2 1 14 FM 20.2.3 ARGUS 3322 3 3 16 FM 20 ARGUS 352 4 19 4 1 3 2 FM 20.2.3 PREACHIN BLUES 451 5 20 3 FM 20 WULF 4132 (FM 19 P112) P106 12 6 17 5 8 1 FM 20.2 PILGRIMAGE 41221 OXFORD 16 9 20 2 1 7 BEOWULF 442 P107 20 21 13 4 5 3 FM 20.2 NORTHERN SOUL P101CC 15 27 2 6 6 5 FM 20 SICILIAN 4222 P98 6 5 15 FM 20.2.3 GOODBYE balanced P102 8 15 8 FM 20 NORTHERN SOUL 5-3-2 P107ECFA 7 18 6 FM 20.1 FM 20 WULF 4141 9 16 7 FM 20 BEOWULF 4411 19 12 19 7 7 3 FM 20.2.3 PARISIENNE WALKWAYS 4231 IF Best tested 4231 21 22 10 8 2 9 FM 20 MILAN 4141 11 17 9 9 9 8 FM 20 SYMPATHY 442 13 2 FM 20 WULF 4132 P102ECCC 10 6 FM 20.2 WULF VOL 42220 18 26 5 FM 20 SYMPATHY 4222 VOL2 17 11 18 FM20 WULF 4132 ALL CUPS 23 8 FM20 GOODBYE 4132 14 10 FM 20.2.3 TIME 442 13 14 11 FM 20 PILGRIMAGE 41311 11 25 12 FM20.2 STARGAZING 442P106ECFA 22 4 FM 20.2.3 WULF 4132 P105ECCC 24 13 FM 20 TEQUILA SUNRISE 23 Edited January 2, 2020 by knap 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 31, 2019 Author Share Posted December 31, 2019 Almost role reversals with the ARGUS Tactics. So far MR L may be more consistent. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikester Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, knap said: Almost role reversals with the ARGUS Tactics. So far MR L may be more consistent. How do you mean? Has he tested a new Argus? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 31, 2019 Author Share Posted December 31, 2019 The new ARGUS 3322 has a dropped DM so should be more secure at back. FM Base test results are the opposite and in a few cases underdog results are very low. Argus 352 with MR L is good in both (new one not yet tested). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikester Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, knap said: The new ARGUS 3322 has a dropped DM so should be more secure at back. FM Base test results are the opposite and in a few cases underdog results are very low. Argus 352 with MR L is good in both (new one not yet tested). So you think the new Argus might go above Sicilian? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heywood JaBlowme Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Am I the only one here using Instant Result? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post knap Posted January 1, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 1, 2020 Happy New Year 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yuchd Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Happy new year Knap! And to all guys here. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikester Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Happy new year guys! Knap to bring out a 115points tactic tomorrow 😉 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
radetzky Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Happy new year fm addicted 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Par1s Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Happy new year mates. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fako22 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 6 hours ago, knap said: A few test results puts the order as follows (Excludes new tactics) OVERALL SUB TOP UNDERDOG OVERALL SUB TOP UNDERDOG FM 20.2 SICILIAN 4222 P101 1 7 1 3 4 6 FM 20 SYMPATHY 4222 2 1 14 FM 20.2.3 ARGUS 3322 3 3 16 FM 20 ARGUS 352 4 19 3 1 3 2 FM 20 WULF 4132 (FM 19 P112) P106 11 6 17 5 8 1 FM 20.2 PILGRIMAGE 41221 OXFORD 15 9 20 2 1 7 BEOWULF 442 P107 19 20 13 4 5 3 FM 20.2 NORTHERN SOUL P101CC 14 26 2 6 6 5 FM 20 SICILIAN 4222 P98 5 5 15 FM 20.2.3 GOODBYE balanced P102 7 15 7 FM 20 NORTHERN SOUL 5-3-2 P107ECFA 6 18 5 FM 20.1 FM 20 WULF 4141 8 16 6 FM 20 BEOWULF 4411 18 12 19 7 7 3 FM 20.2.3 PARISIENNE WALKWAYS 4231 IF Best tested 4231 20 21 10 8 2 9 FM 20 MILAN 4141 10 17 8 9 9 8 FM 20 SYMPATHY 442 12 2 FM 20 WULF 4132 P102ECCC 9 5 FM 20.2 WULF VOL 42220 17 25 4 FM 20 SYMPATHY 4222 VOL2 16 11 18 FM20 WULF 4132 ALL CUPS 22 8 FM20 GOODBYE 4132 20 10 FM 20.2.3 TIME 442 13 14 11 FM 20 PILGRIMAGE 41311 10 24 12 FM20.2 STARGAZING 442P106ECFA 21 4 FM 20.2.3 WULF 4132 P105ECCC 23 13 FM 20 TEQUILA SUNRISE 22 Happy new year guys! I dont understand this format why for example sicilian has 1-7-1 and then 3-4-6 or the beowulf 442 looks bad in the first column 19-20-13 but in the next looks good 4-5-3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asterionas13 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Happy new year. Knap i have a idea.Why dont you make a table as you did before to show us which tactic is suitable to each team? I would be nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 1, 2020 Author Share Posted January 1, 2020 How do you mean suitable for each? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 1, 2020 Author Share Posted January 1, 2020 There are 2 testing leagues which are slightly different, but both aim to identify good sub top and underdog tactics. Sicilian is 1st Overall but due to being a better underdog tactic, with Sympathy best sub top. 2nd test is still catching up in terms of testing but is showing ARGUS 352 as being best overall tactic With the 2nd test you could use Oxford at home being a good sub top tactic and Beowulf 4132 as an Away tactic. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreambuilder Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 With ARGUS 352, is there any point using any other mentality than attacking? I mean most of the roles are set to attacking. No automatic etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigyBoy Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Morning all Do you have screenshots for the Sympathy sub top please ?? Many thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 1, 2020 Author Share Posted January 1, 2020 TIME Tactic do not use PIs if you are looking for a tactic for a Tablet (I Pad you should be able to import). Also Screenshots of Sicilian in the thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 1, 2020 Author Share Posted January 1, 2020 I do not use Automatic for changing duty, as I only really use 1 mentality apart from a SUS. Most likely duty changes if say using a control tactic would be WBs from, attack to support and perhaps a MC from support to defend. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadclear Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 39 minutes ago, knap said: There are 2 testing leagues which are slightly different, but both aim to identify good sub top and underdog tactics. Sicilian is 1st Overall but due to being a better underdog tactic, with Sympathy best sub top. 2nd test is still catching up in terms of testing but is showing ARGUS 352 as being best overall tactic With the 2nd test you could use Oxford at home being a good sub top tactic and Beowulf 4132 as an Away tactic. Which 4132 do you recommend away ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreambuilder Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 minute ago, knap said: I do not use Automatic for changing duty, as I only really use 1 mentality apart from a SUS. Most likely duty changes if say using a control tactic would be WBs from, attack to support and perhaps a MC from support to defend. Thanks. Gonna give ARGUS 352 a shot. I love that both the two Mezzalas trains long shots and finishing. Gonna be some fun bombarding sometimes! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 1, 2020 Author Share Posted January 1, 2020 BEOWULF 4132 P106 for Away. If you have a problem with balls over top try using the GOODBYE 4132, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stian Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 @knap First of all, happy new year. Are you working on a certain tactic right now? Or having a little break from creating tactics? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FM Base Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 13 hours ago, knap said: The new ARGUS 3322 has a dropped DM so should be more secure at back. FM Base test results are the opposite and in a few cases underdog results are very low. Argus 352 with MR L is good in both (new one not yet tested). Just to clarify the difference, our underdog team is 120 CA whereas Mr L's is 140 CA. For further clarity, our sub-top is 145 CA and Mr L's is 165 CA. For even further clarity, Barcelona's average CA is 168. That'd be why underdog results appear worse on FM Base. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikester Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, FM Base said: Just to clarify the difference, our underdog team is 120 CA whereas Mr L's is 145 CA. For further clarity, our sub-top is 145 CA and Mr L's is 165 CA. For even further clarity, Barcelona's average CA is 168. That'd be why underdog results appear worse on FM Base. I never knew this. I think an underdog team CA should be about 120 and the top team should be 160. but then does it not depend on all other teams.... if MrL underdog is 145 and then his top team is 165, there is 20 point CA difference, and in FM Base the difference is 25 CA points so is pretty similar??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 1, 2020 Author Share Posted January 1, 2020 Always trying to improve tactics or try something new. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 1, 2020 Author Share Posted January 1, 2020 My understanding is that the MR L Test League is a lot harder and they needed to increase CA compared to previous years. The pts total for ARGUS 352 is about same on both leagues, which to a degree shows they are comparable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagabunda Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 (edited) I think it's great we have 2 tactic testing leagues and both are extremely helpful when picking a tactic for your team. Many thanks and keep up the good work FM Base and MrL. The other thing is that it's impossible to create a perfect tactic testing model (same as perfect tactic) - FM is too complicated itself, you need to make too many assumptions and the game is random to some extent. So no test can determine which tactic guarantees a 100% success in every save, but I find both tests as really important guides (even FM arena testing league can give us some hints, but that thing with reputation and underdog team performing better than sub-top in most cases makes those tests results really flawed) Edited January 1, 2020 by wagabunda Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teooo :D Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 How do i know if my team is underdog or sub top? what does it depend on? @FM Base @knap Sorry for my english and have a nice new year to everybody. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreambuilder Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 I have a mezzala with good long shots. Would it hurt if I personalise his role to Shoot more often? (Argus 352) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gooders11 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Happy new year, knapp is it possible for you to put up your attacking corner tactics please? I'm using Sicilian but on switch so can't download anything. Thanks in advance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammalc Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 On 31/12/2019 at 09:19, Lloydey1 said: Is this tactic on FM Base / being tested fully? I have started using it with good results (but I am Man Utd). It suits Pogba (AP A) and Bruno Fernandes (MEZ A) but I have been tweaking the wingers to IF or IW. Any views on that? Don't think so , nobody but me and another seem to have shown any interest in it but for me there's no altering home or away , no worrying about changing bits and bobs , simple plug'n'play . Im now at the end of the 1st season using it and top the Prem , had a major wobble due to injuries and a wafer thin squad but seem back on track , will finish in Champ League places at least Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikester Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 13 minutes ago, rammalc said: Don't think so , nobody but me and another seem to have shown any interest in it but for me there's no altering home or away , no worrying about changing bits and bobs , simple plug'n'play . Im now at the end of the 1st season using it and top the Prem , had a major wobble due to injuries and a wafer thin squad but seem back on track , will finish in Champ League places at least Is this with the 451 tactic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammalc Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, Spikester said: Is this with the 451 tactic? it's DavyDepuydt1 tweaked version of TIME from page 99 i think it's on , a 433 originally Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FM Base Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Teooo said: How do i know if my team is underdog or sub top? what does it depend on? @FM Base @knap Sorry for my english and have a nice new year to everybody. Underdog is a team not expected to do very well, perhaps a relegation candidate Sub-top are your not quite top 4 teams, Everton, Wolves, etc.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 1, 2020 Author Share Posted January 1, 2020 Because I test with top, the pts total in tactic name will give an idea of what is best for top club, Top Club say 1-5 in League Sub Top 6-11 in League Underdog the rest Can also use Top and Sub Top a Home Tactic Underdog Away or Top Favourite Sub Top Evens Underdog if Underdog Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 1, 2020 Author Share Posted January 1, 2020 All Sicilian screenshots should be a few pages back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 1, 2020 Author Share Posted January 1, 2020 Pending test https://fm-base.co.uk/resources/433-basedontime-knap-davydepuydt1.273/ 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rober82 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Ooh, interesting. I Love a good 433! Ajax style! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aricci Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 @knap what would be a good tactic for arsenal? I'm still searching for a solid tactic with forward wing players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 1, 2020 Author Share Posted January 1, 2020 I would try Parisienne Walkways P101, as did well MR L Sub top. I had a good season WITH P107 442. Could also try an underdog tactic for harder games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Knap, do you ever use asymmetrical formations? What's your thoughts on them this FM if you've tried them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 1, 2020 Author Share Posted January 1, 2020 Last one was probably Ramble On in FM 16, although I had a non uploaded version last year Comfortably Numb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammalc Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Rober82 said: Ooh, interesting. I Love a good 433! Ajax style! It just won me the Prem playing as Derby County , only lost 3 in the league all season 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rober82 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 7 minutes ago, rammalc said: It just won me the Prem playing as Derby County , only lost 3 in the league all season Really! 2nd season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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