knap Posted July 6, 2020 Author Share Posted July 6, 2020 @Bossyboss WARPIGS Tested well with Norwich, and you can use MM and OIs if needed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossyboss Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, knap said: @Bossyboss WARPIGS Tested well with Norwich, and you can use MM and OIs if needed. Warpigs. What formation of that are you meaning? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 6, 2020 Author Share Posted July 6, 2020 @Bossyboss The 31212 is ideal for MM. The 442 may be better with sub. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorgen Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Hi Knap, I'm a little bit confused about how to use the opening post. Also some links in the google doc don't go directly to tactics, or go to tactic packs, in which I feel a bit lost as to what to chose. So a bit of starting help is very much appreciated. I am currently playing a 60 season save on FM18 with your Argus 343 tactic (3 CD, 2 WB, 2 MC, 3 SC). It has given me lots of succes in the leagues and at international matches and it let all of clubs grow to big propertions. It gave me strength and stability at such a level that in about 10 seasons I was a force in the Champions League too, with each of my clubs. I really like the way that the wingbacks or other players go to front / sideline and cross to the otherside. Not only is that a thing of beauty to see, it also scores lots and lots of goals. Much like the tandem Ziyech - Promes at Ajax. I am currently starting a new savegame on FM20 and am hoping to create dynasty's again. I would like to play a style simular to that of your Argus tactic, but preferably with 3 midfielders like Ajax and Barcelona and with lots of crossing. Do you have a tactic that is allround, suited for mid and high level teams and that fits my playing wishes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earnie is God! Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 They are both 41212 though aren't they, Knap? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earnie is God! Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 @Jorgen this is his FM20 343 Argus tactic. It was created in February on the older 20.3.0 match engine but will probably still work on 20.4.1 I think I'll be able to find one with 3 central midfielders for you but there aren't many. I can think of one, let me find it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 6, 2020 Author Share Posted July 6, 2020 @Jorgen ARGUS 343 was one of my favourite tactics, with great forward movement. FM 20 tends to expose wings if just using WBs. KASHMIR 433 may be the tactic to use long term, but you may need to build a good squad first 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorgen Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) Thanks @Earnie is God! Any chance you could find one that is more of a traditional 4-3-3 with a backward facing triangle (4-1-2-3), a forward facing triangle (4-2-1-3) or a 3-in-line (4-3-3)? @knap I've used that Argus 343 for 60 seasons in a row and it never gets dull. Moreover, it makes every team stronger on the pitch, even in the 3rd division of Serbia or Romania, with players that a real rubbish. I do not really care if it takes my team one season, or 10 to grow, as long as the tactic is sound and solid and has beautiful movement and great crossing. I'll try the Argus 343 for FM20 that Earnie mentioned and I am going to try the Kashmir one you're referring to. thanks! Edited July 6, 2020 by Jorgen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 6, 2020 Author Share Posted July 6, 2020 @Earnie is God! What are both 41212s ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earnie is God! Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) @Jorgen try these two Edited July 6, 2020 by Earnie is God! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earnie is God! Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 1 hour ago, knap said: @Bossyboss The 31212 is ideal for MM. The 442 may be better with sub. I meant this one ^^^ 41212, right? So that makes both Warpigs tactics 41212 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earnie is God! Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 @Jorgen as you like Argus, there's also this... Right, I'm done, back to playing for me 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorgen Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 There are like 7 tactics named Kashmir 433. Which one were you refering to, @knap ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 6, 2020 Author Share Posted July 6, 2020 @Jorgen MU P111 was used 2nd season with MU. KASHMIR P101 was used to win PL 1st year with Sheffield KASHMIR CELTIC was only used with Elite teams. You can use PF for Man Marking see guide. If you go to review column you can see how the tactics perform. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorgen Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, knap said: @Jorgen MU P111 was used 2nd season with MU. KASHMIR P101 was used to win PL 1st year with Sheffield KASHMIR CELTIC was only used with Elite teams. You can use PF for Man Marking see guide. If you go to review column you can see how the tactics perform. I have now downloaded these tactics: There was no Kashmir 433 PF tactic, though there where 8 tactics with PF in their name. Which one did you mean? Edited July 6, 2020 by Jorgen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rober82 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 This one is doing amazingly for me. It's attacking! Mu p111 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorgen Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 @Rober82 That one is in the list of the ones I downloaded, if I'm correct. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rober82 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Look at this.. My team is not great 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorgen Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Winning from Real Madrid, with a much smaller team, is always a nice thing to achieve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 I find the spreadsheet a bit confusing as well. I'm on 20.4.1 so I suppose it's just find that section in the spreadsheet, and then pick a tactic that suits. Is that how everyone else does it? Are these in any kind of order? Is the best at the top for example? P.s. Keep up the good work. Knap's tactics are all great to be honest, I'm just trying to fully understand the spreadsheet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 7, 2020 Author Share Posted July 7, 2020 @stevetemp The ID numbers are in date order. Each Column is sortable. There is also a searchable table on FM Scout 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monsalai Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 11 hours ago, Rober82 said: This one is doing amazingly for me. It's attacking! Mu p111 What's the ID matey? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, cfwhittle said: What's the ID matey? FM20.4.0KnapKashmir433MUP111.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monsalai Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 (edited) Thank you Edited July 7, 2020 by cfwhittle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 7, 2020 Author Share Posted July 7, 2020 @Rober82 Have you made any transfers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rober82 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Just now, knap said: Have you made any transfers? Yes. But no one who is way over the level of the rest of the team at the start. Mostly young players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazza’s Pint Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Cadoni said: FM20.4.0KnapKashmir433MUP111.fmf 45.36 kB · 66 downloads The SS says 20.4.1, so I would assume it’s the V5 Edited July 7, 2020 by Gazza’s Pint Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
archerz Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 19 hours ago, Jorgen said: Winning from Real Madrid, with a much smaller team, is always a nice thing to achieve. he's the norweigen team. not RM... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 7, 2020 Author Share Posted July 7, 2020 I've added Norwich testing by Cwieku to google docs, to give an idea of tactics to use with under dogs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earnie is God! Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 2 hours ago, archerz said: he's the Norwegian team. not RM... Yes, he knows that. He's saying that beating RM with a much smaller team is fantastic. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitmore23 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 KashmirKnap2233P10ECCC My debut season at Real Madrid (in the year 2024), my squad wasn't even that great to be honest. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earnie is God! Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 10 minutes ago, whitmore23 said: my squad wasn't even that great to be honest. No, just Werner, Reinier, Sane, Courtois, Eder Militao and Laporte and that's just some of the ones we can see from your screenshot. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitmore23 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Earnie is God! said: No, just Werner, Reinier, Sane, Courtois, Eder Militao and Laporte and that's just some of the ones we can see from your screenshot. Well, my comment is relative I suppose..Real Madrid are naturally going to have elite players but the squad I inherited really wasn't all that. I've had many better squads and I would say this tactic allowed me to overachieve as a team. I signed Werner as he seemed ideal for the Pressing Striker position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earnie is God! Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Camavinga too eh? Nice Ansu Fati on loan... from Chelsea by any chance? He seems to sign for them in a number of different saves I've seen. In my save he is a beast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmaster5000 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 (edited) Sorry I come back to this forum after half a year and im completely lost with the sheer quantity of tactics (you are insane Knap, we all love you!). Can anyone help me out search the best away tactic for lets say a no 4-5 team in league, I would ideally want to play with 2 strikers (preferably they score well and not just do the dirty work) and either 2 attacking midfielder or left and right midfielders that contribute a lot (assists or goals). What would be the best suited tactics for this? (very sorry I tried searching but there are so many options im lost I need a starting point). If that can't be done what are generally lets say the top 3 away tactics for a 4th place team? I need to add that I play a save in the mod "world super league" so I have a lot of tough away matches hence why I need a good away tactic that fits my team Edited July 7, 2020 by maxmaster5000 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earnie is God! Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Not going to be easy. Two strikers and two AMs for a team that isn't a top team away from home is asking a bit much. There are a number of 4-4-2 tactics that can work if you have really good wingers and strikers. Beowulf 4-4-2 with inverted wingbacks is possibly your best bet, let me find it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earnie is God! Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 @maxmaster5000 Others... Probably your best options 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossyboss Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 12 hours ago, knap said: I've added Norwich testing by Cwieku to google docs, to give an idea of tactics to use with under dogs. What is the tactic called? I have tried to search for Cwieku and Norwich. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 8, 2020 Author Share Posted July 8, 2020 @Bossyboss On google docs just go to right and there is list of tactics and results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmaster5000 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Earnie is God! said: @maxmaster5000 Others... Probably your best options thank you a lot mate, will try them all out! And ye I kinda guessed that a 4-2-4 wouldn't play very well away vs good teams^^ Edited July 8, 2020 by maxmaster5000 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 8, 2020 Author Share Posted July 8, 2020 GOODBYE VOL2 4321 MU P96 Euro CC Review test and instructions TIs PIs and SPs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossyboss Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 1 hour ago, knap said: @Bossyboss On google docs just go to right and there is list of tactics and results. Hmm, I still can't get any result when searching on Cwieku or Norwich. Other than a Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallings11 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 On 06/07/2020 at 10:32, knap said: @omrgul Testing has not worked well this year and I would not trust any that are generally available. I am now running the MR L Test league and the new WARPIGS has performed best so far followed by FIRE 41311. Most popular 442 is VENOM P109. Which WARPIGS tactic performed best? the 41212 or the 442 collab with Rober? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 8, 2020 Author Share Posted July 8, 2020 @Bossyboss Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 8, 2020 Author Share Posted July 8, 2020 @Wallings11 Probabl depends on best fit for your 1st eleven Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bestfootie Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 Hi @knap long time no speak I'm doing amazing, hope you are too. I can see the latest spready but it's not updated yet for the latest version with all the testing etc. Any idea when that'll be done by? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 8, 2020 Author Share Posted July 8, 2020 @bestfootie With regard to testing, I am getting to grips with FMRTE but TBH the results are not consistent. I therefore do not trust the results using FMRTE and is made even worse when playing around with reputation. Google docs should be up to date now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossyboss Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 2 hours ago, knap said: @Bossyboss I get that. But im confuses of what tac you mean then. There seems not to be any with the Norwich or Cwikue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 8, 2020 Author Share Posted July 8, 2020 @bossyboss The results are from testing with Norwich, and the tester is Cwieku. It is therefore an independent test with an under dog team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossyboss Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 44 minutes ago, knap said: @bossyboss The results are from testing with Norwich, and the tester is Cwieku. It is therefore an independent test with an under dog team. Okay, I understand now. Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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