rasoljk Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Hi guys. I have a proposal to FM designers. Please make that stadiums like real ones. At least; you can make similiar. Club has 10.000 audience capacity but it's stadium seems like 40.000 capacity in view. For example:, My club is Denizlispor FC from TURKEY:; audience capacity is 15.000. All sections of the stadium are single storey. But; in game; Denizlispor's stadium seems like old trafford I think; stadium details is very important. At least; i wish; one day FM will make staidums like real architecture. What do yuo think? Do you support me? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiku Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 We all support you, but SI can't replicate stadiums due to licensing issues. That's why each stadium appearance is randomly generated (upon certain criteria) when creating new save game and could happen to look very different from the real one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rasoljk Posted September 20, 2018 Author Share Posted September 20, 2018 3 dakika önce, Haiku said: We all support you, but SI can't replicate stadiums due to licensing issues. That's why each stadium appearance is randomly generated (upon certain criteria) when creating new save game and could happen to look very different from the real one. Hi fellow. I just meant to be similar architecture. Not real design. I think if SI designs similar stadiums, they dont have to pay a license. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 That is what SI current attempt but with such a small team of artists there’s only so much they can add each year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Snorks Posted September 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 20, 2018 I think most, if not all agree with the OP sentiment. I do think though, that stadiums got 'worse' in FM18 than earlier versions - at least in the 'random generating' way. Earlier versions used to have the lower league clubs playing in grounds that were little more than a bit of terrace, a fence down one side and a shed with seats at half-way. Now they play in 10,000 capacity grounds, fully covered. I think the 'minimum' size of stadium that is randomly generated is 10,000 and I feel this should be lowered at least, with 5,000 and maybe even 2,000 categories. I also think there could be, and I don't know how hard this would be to code into the game, some guidelines around each club, or 'styles' of stadium design without having to trip over into licence and architectural copyright issues. For example, Everton play at Goodison, it's a rectangular structure, with right-angled corners where the stands meet, four defined and straight stands. Arsenal play in an oval shape 'bowl' style stadium, no defined corners, curves to the stands. Old Trafford is a 'square' style, straight stands but with corners filled in. Using a base of of these three styles, 'square', 'bowl', 'square with rounded corners' I think SI could still generate more realistic looking stadia in the 3d engine, rather than the 'all stadiums look the same above a certain size'. However, and rightly so, I think the energies of the design/graphics team are spent getting the actual match play looking better, and stadia must be low on their list of priorities - but it would be nice to see an improvement. 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrazT Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 I do think that the in-game stadia should better reflect the real-life one, but it can be a juggling act to get around licensing issues and only SI know what that entails. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guthrie Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 I'd settle for them not getting in the way of the camera on corners. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrazT Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 16 minutes ago, Guthrie said: I'd settle for them not getting in the way of the camera on corners. There is one stadium in my league that when the director view pans to the corner, the screen is half-filled by a corner pillar. I find myself moving my head to watch what is happening! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatanera Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Floodlights in front of the camera seems particularly common in Eredivise. Its a CGI stadium, just pretend they've disappeared for a few seconds. Or act like the camera is attached to them so they'd be behind it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llDracoll Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 (edited) In regards to the mismatched architecture, another thing that is sometimes out of place is the stadium TV. Take this as an example. This stadium holds around 9.5k people, and is used by a team that has never left the italian third tier (not even in-game), yet they have that huge TV. This would be outrageous IRL. I've looked at the stadium San Giovanni has in the save. It holds 5.6k people, yet the only visible difference with Carrarese's stadium is the lack of the TV. (PS: I still miss that in the FM17 beta the stadium TV also showed the interface for some fourth-wall screwing) Edited September 21, 2018 by llDracoll 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alian62 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Im thinking a Stadium Editor could be on the cards for FM19 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alian62 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 You can remove the TV Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preveza Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 18 hours ago, Haiku said: We all support you, but SI can't replicate stadiums due to licensing issues. That's why each stadium appearance is randomly generated (upon certain criteria) when creating new save game and could happen to look very different from the real one. Excuses. What do you mean replicate stadiums? We aint asking SI to build a carbon copy replica of Old Trafford. But having the stadium look as close to real life without being a replica, is not a licensing issue. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright 747 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 I believe SI uses an outside studio for their artwork and it looks like they start from scratch every year. In my opinion the most realistic was probably FM16,at least in the medium to large stadiums, they appear less realistic since then and FM18 looks the least realistic since 3D was introduced (massive stair wells, picnic tables etc). We know they can't use real stadiums because of licensing issues, but at least let them resemble a real football stadium Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
herne79 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Preveza said: Excuses. What do you mean replicate stadiums? We aint asking SI to build a carbon copy replica of Old Trafford. But having the stadium look as close to real life without being a replica, is not a licensing issue. I'm sure SI's legal team will be in touch with you soon so that you can tell them where they've been going wrong with their licensing issues . Joking apart though, look at something simple such as a running track around a pitch. Not so many in the UK perhaps (West Ham is one exception there) but in countries such as Italy where there are many such stadia, have you ever noticed how there is no in game stadium with a running track? Even the in game London Stadium doesn't have a track. Licensing issues go beyond just carbon copies, which sucks. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preveza Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 On 22/09/2018 at 01:26, herne79 said: I'm sure SI's legal team will be in touch with you soon so that you can tell them where they've been going wrong with their licensing issues . Joking apart though, look at something simple such as a running track around a pitch. Not so many in the UK perhaps (West Ham is one exception there) but in countries such as Italy where there are many such stadia, have you ever noticed how there is no in game stadium with a running track? Even the in game London Stadium doesn't have a track. Licensing issues go beyond just carbon copies, which sucks. LOL.Fair enough. I am not aware about the smaller intricacies regarding what is considered copyright or not; i would not have thought a running track around a stadium would mean that is a licensing issue, but if it is as you say, then I understand. Did not know it was as sensitive as that 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporadicsmiles Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 I'd just like stadiums to look more realistic, not necessarily like their counterparts in real life. I hate when I visit a stadium and all the stands have huge tunnels everywhere in them. It means that you do not have a huge wall of supporters behind a goal, say, with some clubs who probably should have them. It is purely cosmetic, but it would be nice to see a lot less tunnels everywhere in 2019. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomit Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 A stadium editor and some keen modders, there's the answer. But now that SI have started to put "real" advertising in the grounds, I guess there would be a few problems with that too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snorks Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 8 hours ago, thomit said: A stadium editor and some keen modders, there's the answer. But now that SI have started to put "real" advertising in the grounds, I guess there would be a few problems with that too. There is a stadium Mod floating around for FM18 - I could never get it to work properly, but others did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deefus Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 Stadiums that look like they were designed by someone who has actually been to a football ground would be a good start! What's with the picnic tables with sun umbrellas and giant footballs? And seats with massive gaps between them? Not to mention the fact that the stands don't seem to have any sides to them. Health & Safety would have most of the stands closed down. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josdeklos Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Stadium builder should be nice for FM20 , do you know if this is possible? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrazT Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 16 minutes ago, Josdeklos said: Stadium builder should be nice for FM20 , do you know if this is possible? Add it to the threads in the Feature Request forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpole Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, FrazT said: Add it to the threads in the Feature Request forum. it was requested many times in request forum, and in editors hideaway, and it's highly requested feature by users Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrazT Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Bigpole said: it was requested many times in request forum, and in editors hideaway, and it's highly requested feature by users It never does any harm to request it again, especially in the Feature Request forum- SI note and log all requests raised in that forum for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rp1966 Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 (edited) On 21/09/2018 at 16:26, herne79 said: I'm sure SI's legal team will be in touch with you soon so that you can tell them where they've been going wrong with their licensing issues . Joking apart though, look at something simple such as a running track around a pitch. Not so many in the UK perhaps (West Ham is one exception there) but in countries such as Italy where there are many such stadia, have you ever noticed how there is no in game stadium with a running track? Even the in game London Stadium doesn't have a track. Licensing issues go beyond just carbon copies, which sucks. City builders get around this issue in a very simple way, they allow the user base to import objects into the game. There is no reason why SI couldn't have done this in FM for stadiums. At the very least they could do something like the old Playstation football management game that let you build a stadium from a series of presets stands and corners. I know there's this thing SI have about "it's not realistic, the manager doesn't get involved in that' - but the editor already allows the player to change the game world in ways a manager can't. There's no reason why the visual world of the game (kits and stadiums) shouldn't also be available to the player to customise during an ongoing save - stadium customisation is the big one, but changing kits over time is also something we should be able to do. Hell. we can't even name our stadium without resorting to a lnc file hack. There are always two aspects to a simulation - the game world and the simulation itself. Realism in respect of the simulated character only needs to be there in the second of those. Particularly in a game that some people will play 30 or more simulated years,, the world will change; the cosmetics of a club even more. SI's interpretation of realism in this respect works against immersion not for it. Edited December 22, 2018 by rp1966 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
herne79 Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, rp1966 said: City builders get around this issue in a very simple way, they allow the user base to import objects into the game. There is no reason why SI couldn't have done this in FM for stadiums. I'm sure there are reasons but I agree, I'd also like to see this aspect opened up to the community in some way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djpdavey Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) LMA Manager had an awesome stadium builder: Edited January 4, 2019 by djpdavey 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarrantino Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Anyone who played Ashes Cricket would know that had a stadium builder. It was pretty good too with the variations, you have to be a bit liberal and creative but it was pretty good. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 19 minutes ago, djpdavey said: LMA Manager had an awesome stadium builder: 12 years ago! Do catch up, SI :-) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanwulf Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 31 minutes ago, djpdavey said: LMA Manager had an awesome stadium builder: Looking back, it wasn’t really that good. For the most part it was just stand from other stadiums in the game and you could either match them or mismatch them and end up with a dumb stadium Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djpdavey Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 On 04/01/2019 at 13:46, Kanwulf said: Looking back, it wasn’t really that good. For the most part it was just stand from other stadiums in the game and you could either match them or mismatch them and end up with a dumb stadium Partially true there were some original stands which werent on any stadiums you can use but you can create something quite nice. For example you could even up Old Trafford where you replace that small stand opposite the Sir Alex Ferguson stand. That was the last LMA Manager version released as well but I think they had it for 4-5 years leading up to that. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr aok Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Something like Cities: Skylines community does. Would that be ok? Surely it cant be illegal if its user-created add-on? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 14 hours ago, mr aok said: Something like Cities: Skylines community does. Would that be ok? Surely it cant be illegal if its user-created add-on? Many of us very lower league managers start out with clubs whose "stadium" is just a field with more cows than humans in attendance. Can't hardly be a legal issue there! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatanera Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 3 hours ago, phnompenhandy said: Many of us very lower league managers start out with clubs whose "stadium" is just a field with more cows than humans in attendance. Can't hardly be a legal issue there! I'd be wanting payment if you used my cow's likeness in your stadium mods 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcu223 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 We can download Face packs , Data packs , League packs , Badges and Logos, Maybe a Stadium pack might on the way Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maaka Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 2 hours ago, dcu223 said: We can download Face packs , Data packs , League packs , Badges and Logos, Maybe a Stadium pack might on the way As soon as the stadiums become customizable, yes, I believe so. But I think it's quite a big hurdle to get by first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBKalle Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 I'm no expert in legal matters, but how is a "running track between the stands and the pitch" or "bowl-like structure with three levels of stands" something than can be licensed? I mean, it's just stuff that exists. I'd understand it if it were a brick-by-brick replica of privately owned structure, complete with other copyrighted material (like club name, logos, emblems, stadium name, sponsor logos etc), but as long as "generic" stuff goes, why is it an issue? It's maybe a tad trickier when it's about unique and recognizable models (e.g. the towers at San Siro or Bologna, Wembley's "circlet") or locations (Braga, Marina Bay...), but sufficiently life-like generic versions of commonly used structures and combinations shouldn't be that big of an issue. Or at least a vaguely consistency for the attendance and a bit more of variety and "realism" when it comes to generic stadiums. It'd be a step forward from the current "everything small looks like Generic League One stadium" and "everything big looks like Konami Stadium" 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robioto Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Getting rid of the picnic benches would be a great start! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sput Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 If I can find the location where the Stadium Data is stored then, perhaps, I can do my own editing. Does anyone know where the Stadium data is stored? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephanie McMahon's Secret Lover Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Since CM2 all those years ago I have asked for more realistic crowd noise. A crowd of 230 does not sound the same as a crowd of 20,000 with the sound turned down a bit. Also still the stadiums do not have any... character. They are all very generic. No clock tower at one end of the ground or a fans musical instrument area. And most distressing of all there's is still NO STATUE of the club's greatest ever manager... ME! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmonit Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 (edited) Hey SI, I'm an architect and I'd be happy to design a few stadiums for the next couple of fm's. I got heaps of 3d modelling experience and I know the construction code which would help making them as realistic as possible! What do you think? Edited May 30, 2019 by fmonit 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNT3R Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 27 minutes ago, fmonit said: Hey SI, I'm an architect and I'd be happy to design a few stadiums for the next couple of fm's. I got heaps of 3d modelling experience and I know the construction code which would help making them as realistic as possible! What do you think? SI regularly advertise here if they're in need of someone : https://www.sigames.com/careers Have a look around the site. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanwulf Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 I often play games where I start in the lower leagues of the balkan nations. Most grounds there are either just a field or they have no seats and the stands look like roman ampitheatre style "seating" with cage fences around. It feels a little odd when the game generates a fully fledged stadium for my Macedonian 3rd tier team from a village that has a population of about 1500 people! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
99 Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Ofcourse I also agree that the stadium part of FM could (and should) be heavily reviewed and improved. We all understand that you can't replicate the actual stadiums, but you can make them plausible for the club / attendance / tier without breaking any laws. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosey82 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 Bringing this back up as it annoys me no end. This isn't a licensing issue. Why do so many stadiums have three tiers? There are very few grounds in England with three tiers all the way around. Even Old Trafford isn't and it's thre largest ground in England. Three tiers would suggest a capacity north of 70,000 so why do clubs with a third of that have those grounds in the game? All that is needed is for someone to pay attention and add the appropriate ground template to the club when the game is being designed. Or better still give the customer the ability to have a few options via the editor. This way when I know my club has 4 stands I can change from a goliath wraparound to something with 4 stands. Licensing has nothing to do with it. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabcp Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 I've suggested a solution in the features request forum Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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