adhikapp Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Seeing how Senegal and Japan played the past two matches, it's gonna take Colombia a very amazing performance to win that group. People are underrating the other two too much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD nawrat Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Just now, forameuss said: That also brings up another point that always seems to get forgotten. People see the big teams struggling and somehow the draw has opened up now. But for the most part, the teams that are now there instead deserve to be. Colombia could hurt both Belgium and England, but they could just as well be put out. If they are, then it means Senegal have gotten a result, which hardly makes them a terrible team. Just seems like a repeat of the "lol, Iceland" attitude that led to 2016's vintage of hilarity. I also think Senegal will threaten England more with their pace on the counter from Niang, Mané and Baldé. Compare that to Colombia's counter attacks led by Falcao... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Astafjevs said: Yeh but they're 3rd because they played a match with 10. I think the assumption is that they wouldn't be losing to Japan with a full team. They went down to 10 men because 1 of their players stopped a goal with their arm ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Just now, Barry Cartman said: They went down to 10 men because 1 of their players stopped a goal with their arm ffs That wasn't really his point though :-/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD nawrat Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Just now, Baptista_8 said: That wasn't really his point though :-/ How can you say the assumption is Japan would lose to an 11 man Colombia when they were gonna be 1-0 down...with 11 men... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Just now, Baptista_8 said: That wasn't really his point though :-/ Its a silly point though, trying to say yeah Colombia would have beat Japan had they not been down to 10 men, but they went down to 10 men because they had to stop a goal with a player's arm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 I think Colombia, like any side, haven't reached top gear and have probably underperformed (didn't see their second game), but there's no doubt that Colombia, and nations of similar levels, are capable of putting a quality performance in. As England are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 9 minutes ago, JDownie said: I also think Senegal will threaten England more with their pace on the counter from Niang, Mané and Baldé. Compare that to Colombia's counter attacks led by Falcao... A lot of the unheralded teams are more dangerous than given credit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 13 minutes ago, JDownie said: I also think Senegal will threaten England more with their pace on the counter from Niang, Mané and Baldé. Compare that to Colombia's counter attacks led by Falcao... Balde hasn't played a single minute yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 He has now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 13 minutes ago, Barry Cartman said: They went down to 10 men because 1 of their players stopped a goal with their arm ffs You've missed the point. The reason is irrelevant. The fact is they played a match with 10. The general line of thinking is that they wouldn't lose with 11 players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redshift Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 21 minutes ago, JDownie said: Exactly. After one game it looked like they were out. They beat a **** Poland side and all of a sudden they're world beaters who England should fear, totally forgetting that they are 3rd place, must win and to top the group need Japan to lose to a **** Poland That’s the “It’s coming home” attitude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D_LO_ Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Is this the same Colombia we're meant to be concerned about? They're going out with a whimper right now. They need a drastic improvement 2nd half to stay alive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 51 minutes ago, Astafjevs said: You've missed the point. The reason is irrelevant. The fact is they played a match with 10. The general line of thinking is that they wouldn't lose with 11 players Would have been 1-0 down very early on if they hadn't cheated though. Weird to think they would have gone on to win, especially when they look so terrible today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D_LO_ Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 10 minutes ago, Coulthard's Jaw said: Would have been 1-0 down very early on if they hadn't cheated though. Weird to think they would have gone on to win, especially when they look so terrible today. Colombia were crap that second half too. People talk about 10 men but it effected them for an entire 45mins? Should have paced themselves better so they could have at least offered something for 15-20mins. Physically they've been way behind Senegal here too. I think it's more a case of 1/2 man team. Shut-up James and Quintero and the rest look ordinary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bestbrother Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Colombia are coming 2nd, we dont need to worry about that, we will play Senegal as long as Gareth is sensible Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggins Top Boys Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 ^^ change of plan boys! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 What's the change of plan? Second is surely still better in terms of route in the knockouts than winning the group. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D_LO_ Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Only winners after this are Belgium and England. Poland clearly made them look a lot better than they are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 I'd far rather face Japan than Colombia, even though Colombia didn't look great there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan045 Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 So Japan finish 2nd. Hmm that changes things for me. Must win tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bestbrother Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, ryan045 said: So Japan finish 2nd. Hmm that changes things for me. Must win tonight. Japan is a bye, but then its Brazil. Colombia wont offer much more than them and we then have a bye in the QFs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Facing Japan feels a bit more like a reward for winning the group, but on this showing England and Belgium should both be favourites to beat Colombia Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Sweden and Switzerland won't be byes. Switzerland drew with Brazil who many people seem to be terrified of for a start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D_LO_ Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Just now, Pukey said: Sweden and Switzerland won't be byes. Switzerland drew with Brazil who many people seem to be terrified of for a start. I honestly don't rate either that highly. They're just organised which is a huge advantage over teams which lack that discipline, invariably not from Europe. But against decent opposition who are equally organised with much more going forward it's not enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D_LO_ Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 8 changes only Lingard, Pickford and Stones remain in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daylight Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 That's ridiculous from Japan, not very honourable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, D_LO_ said: I honestly don't rate either that highly. They're just organised which is a huge advantage over teams which lack that discipline, invariably not from Europe. But against decent opposition who are equally organised with much more going forward it's not enough. We should beat them, but in a one off game? They can easily get a 1-0 win. We need to get to the QF first anyway and winning the group gives us the best chance of doing that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D_LO_ Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Pickford Alexander-Arnold Rose Jones Stones Cahill Dier Lingard Loftus-Cheek instead of Lingard, contrary to reports. Delph Vardy Rashford Rumoured XI. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D_LO_ Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Can you imagine playing Brazil after Japan, Panama, Tunisia and Belgium's 2nd XI? Talk about a jump in quality and the need to significantly adjust. Flies in the face of the momentum argument for me, a reality check might not be a bad thing or at least a bit of a challenge before facing a widely regarded 'better' team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Imagine Brazil having to play a team that can actually score Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martynlcfc Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Assuming Brazil beat Mexico, I'd prefer the Colombia then Sweden/Swiss route. Thinking about what the bookies odds on the To Qualify market might be, I guess it would give England a 40% chance to get past Colombia and Sweden/Swiss and a 30% chance to get past Japan then Mexico. That chance increases further if James Rodriguez is injured. Had Japan topped the group, finishing 2nd would have been a massive advantage of course, not so much of an issue now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Japan are terrible and England will beat them easily. Colombia are a better and more of a threat, but I think England will beat them as well. And Colombia is then offset by Sweden or Switzerland. Would still definitely prefer 2nd place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 We need to get to the quarters in the first place, coming top and playing Japan gives us the best chance of doing that. Get top, play Japan and (hopefully) win, then worry about the quarters then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Obviously torn now. Much rather have Japan over Colombia, but then the other path avoids Brazil. toss up. At least you can make an argument for both, can watch tonight’s game now and not mind either way. Rather than having to cheer against England which would have been weird. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1985 Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 I just look forward to seeing Gary Nevilles face as he gets a bit too excited when we score the winning goal in the final Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedNomad Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 8 hours ago, georginho_juventusygr said: Shut up and support England. Lmao I'm from what's pretty much the country on the opposite side of the world to England. I'm as neutral as they come for this one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 IT'S ON!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Rob1981 said: Obviously torn now. Much rather have Japan over Colombia, but then the other path avoids Brazil. toss up. At least you can make an argument for both, can watch tonight’s game now and not mind either way. Rather than having to cheer against England which would have been weird. England did well against Brazil last time, only a friendly though: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 there we go, played to come 2nd for the easy route.. its coming home Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Federico Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Do you really guys think Colombia will let you a free pass to the QF? It's a 50-50 for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VamPook Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Surely Rose should start over Young Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted June 28, 2018 Author Share Posted June 28, 2018 1 down, 4 games to go!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Federico said: Do you really guys think Colombia will let you a free pass to the QF? It's a 50-50 for me. It was either playing weak Japan and facing stronger teams afterwards or playing strong Colombia and facing weaker teams afterwards. In theory. Southgate couldn't win either way. So, everyone may as well believe and enjoy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D_LO_ Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, Federico said: Do you really guys think Colombia will let you a free pass to the QF? It's a 50-50 for me. It's definitely not a free pass (cough..Iceland). If we can't beat the likes of Colombia though we definitely wouldn't have beaten Brazil anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bestbrother Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 colombia are rope. its a gimme, i cannot believe it. this world cup lark is easy. WINNERS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted June 28, 2018 Author Share Posted June 28, 2018 The negativity in the other thread is dampening my buzz, man Actually delighted that we so ruthlessly threw that game and are on this side of the draw. England vs Colombia in the 2nd is a proper world cup game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 IT'S. COMING. HOME. Great performance from the lads after the match too, some youngsters in there without much media experience and they have come out and talked about being disappointed and actually sounded fairly convincing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D_LO_ Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, Bliss Seeker said: The negativity in the other thread is dampening my buzz, man Actually delighted that we so ruthlessly threw that game and are on this side of the draw. England vs Colombia in the 2nd is a proper world cup game Yep after that first half performance there was nothing to be gained from a draw or even a win imo as this 'momentum thing' was already gone. So it makes sense to be on the 'easier' side of the draw and that's where we find ourselves so it's far from doom or gloom. Fatigue shouldn't be under-rated either and they've all had a good rest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Rashford by far the MOTM tonight, the way he majestically kept smashing that ball round the post to save victory was knighthood worthy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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