Howie8217 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 I’m sure it the FM17 file there must be something not letting it work. Other option is do same but on a FM18 file only problem is you redo it all agen. I used FM15 file for 16 and 17 but won’t work for 18 FM17 file won’t work to shame really Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howie8217 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 I’m sure it something to do with level 13/14 stopping it working that what it says on mine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveyisatard Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 So in other words you don't know if its FM17 files, level 13/14 or anything else? I'm sure Dan will figure it out he has been making thee files for quite sometime now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan BHTFC Posted November 26, 2017 Author Share Posted November 26, 2017 Narrowing it down, in Advanced Rules it's saying there are too many clubs in Level 11 by 1 so I've removed all levels below 10 and then running a rules test, if that works out I'll run a test save on Level 10 database and if that works out I'll add Level 11 again then once again test. This is why I never set a date for release haha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KUBI Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 And it is most of the time a Reserve/U23 team that was added to the database. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveyisatard Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Just now, Dan BHTFC said: Narrowing it down, in Advanced Rules it's saying there are too many clubs in Level 11 by 1 so I've removed all levels below 10 and then running a rules test, if that works out I'll run a test save on Level 10 database and if that works out I'll add Level 11 again then once again test. This is why I never set a date for release haha Yeah best way really! No point in releasing it and getting 100s of messages about crashes etc. Might have to do the tedious task of working level by level testing and saving at each point until it all works. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan BHTFC Posted November 26, 2017 Author Share Posted November 26, 2017 Spent so many hours this week doing this, I'm not giving up although I think I'll wait until tomorrow! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveyisatard Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 3 minutes ago, Dan BHTFC said: Spent so many hours this week doing this, I'm not giving up although I think I'll wait until tomorrow! Yes mate, just take your time, better it works first time than having to keep updating it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howie8217 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 I was gutted when mine stopped working won league and cup got to end of season and poof went off got wales to World Cup to haha. Can’t wait to play Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howie8217 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Guys going off topic a little. Is it worth removing the brexit when this file come out as I manage Man Utd wales and I make u team in level 22 from were I’m from Bangor wales. I’m not sure the benefits or negative with the brexit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan BHTFC Posted November 26, 2017 Author Share Posted November 26, 2017 Success! Level 10 works, tomorrow I will see if I can get Level 11 to work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dan BHTFC Posted November 27, 2017 Author Share Posted November 27, 2017 UPDATE: I'm having to add in every Level and every League from 11 down, might take me a few days but at the moment Level 11 is working! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompeyboyz Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, Dan BHTFC said: UPDATE: I'm having to add in every Level and every League from 11 down, might take me a few days but at the moment Level 11 is working! Take you time fella. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan BHTFC Posted November 27, 2017 Author Share Posted November 27, 2017 Also found out something strange about this editor. Every time I verify in the Advanced Editor the reserve teams reputation goes up considerably Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howie8217 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 That don’t matter lol. Long the file works haha, I’m getting excited for the completion to play it lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwchriste Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 1 hour ago, Dan BHTFC said: Also found out something strange about this editor. Every time I verify in the Advanced Editor the reserve teams reputation goes up considerably Are the reserve teams' reputations related to the reputation of the parent clubs? Or does the increase seem independent of that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan BHTFC Posted November 27, 2017 Author Share Posted November 27, 2017 2 hours ago, jwchriste said: Are the reserve teams' reputations related to the reputation of the parent clubs? Or does the increase seem independent of that? Seems to be in proportion of the first team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KUBI Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Seems to be a bug. If that happens in the game all Reserve teams will dominate their divisions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwchriste Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 I just went back and loaded FM17 with Dan's FM17 L22 database and, using the IGE, I checked the reps of the teams in Mid Sussex Div 9. All but two of those are reserves teams. Right after starting a new game, the IGE shows they all have elevated reps that match the parent club. The pre-game editor shows all their reps as 1 or 2. Either they fixed a bug in the pre-game editor to show the corrected reps of the reserves teams or this has propagated from previous versions and the pre-game editor is now bugged as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KUBI Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 @Dan BHTFC When you run a test could you check how some of the reserves clubs do perform? It could be that reserve teams don't need a separate reputation anymore. If the performance is realistic I would not worry about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwchriste Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 I don't think it was a visible issue in last year's iteration. But that could be because when you had a team with minuscule rep you got a +200 boost the first time you got promoted, but if you were relegated you got your rep boosted to ~700. Those were the teams that tended to dominate the divisions in the very low levels of the pyramid. I don't know if that weird rep progression is still present in this year's version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan BHTFC Posted November 27, 2017 Author Share Posted November 27, 2017 10 minutes ago, KUBI said: @Dan BHTFC When you run a test could you check how some of the reserves clubs do perform? It could be that reserve teams don't need a separate reputation anymore. If the performance is realistic I would not worry about it. All Reserve teams were top of division Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KUBI Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 vor 1 Minute schrieb Dan BHTFC: All Reserve teams were top of division OK, that's something for the bugs forum. Alternative solution for the moment is not to verify the file and just test it in-game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwchriste Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, Dan BHTFC said: All Reserve teams were top of division Do the reserve teams get a rep boost for winning the division or are they still tied to their parent clubs? I wonder if you simulated 3-4 seasons if that issue would disappear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howie8217 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 If the file works I’m happy with the game in fact it make it even more interesting with the lower league I’m not fussed with the rep ov the reserves. I’m on the edge of my seat waiting for the release 😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwchriste Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 3 hours ago, jwchriste said: I just went back and loaded FM17 with Dan's FM17 L22 database and, using the IGE, I checked the reps of the teams in Mid Sussex Div 9. All but two of those are reserves teams. Right after starting a new game, the IGE shows they all have elevated reps that match the parent club. The pre-game editor shows all their reps as 1 or 2. Either they fixed a bug in the pre-game editor to show the corrected reps of the reserves teams or this has propagated from previous versions and the pre-game editor is now bugged as well. Looking at this further - I'm not sure that the IGE differentiates between the reserve teams and their parent clubs. It also shows finances, etc. that appear to be for the parent club. I don't know if the game actually has a different rep hidden somewhere for the reserve teams or not (at least in FM17). I missed that it does show "Second Team Reputation" which is lower than the parent team, but higher than what was in the pre-game editor. Not sure how that relates when there are multiple reserve teams such as a B team, C team, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KUBI Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 I checked this with the German league in my file (Regionalliga activated). In the ingame editor the clubs have a "second team reputation", which is lower as the first team. (Usually about 50%) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam jameson Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 2 ore fa, jwchriste ha scritto: I don't think it was a visible issue in last year's iteration. But that could be because when you had a team with minuscule rep you got a +200 boost the first time you got promoted, but if you were relegated you got your rep boosted to ~700. Those were the teams that tended to dominate the divisions in the very low levels of the pyramid. I don't know if that weird rep progression is still present in this year's version. I think that this year that issue is not present, I’ve just tested a level 10 file and Got promoted to level 9, the rep went from 750 to 753... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwchriste Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Just now, jam jameson said: I think that this year that issue is not present, I’ve just tested a level 10 file and Got promoted to level 9, the rep went from 750 to 753... It may only affect teams with much lower rep, like when you start in L22 in Dan's file. I edited the rep of one of those teams last year to something like 500 to start and I also did not see the boost. But when I played with his stock file and my rep was "2" I did see it. It's almost like the game tries to normalize the rep to a certain minimum value this way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwchriste Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 1 hour ago, KUBI said: I checked this with the German league in my file (Regionalliga activated). In the ingame editor the clubs have a "second team reputation", which is lower as the first team. (Usually about 50%) Is the "second team reputation" exactly 40% of the first team's rep? I downloaded a L10 database for FM18 just to check it out and they created many reserve teams to fill out the L10 divisions and it looks like they set all their reps to 50 in the editor. The IGE shows the second team rep to be exactly 40% of the first team's rep in all cases I've checked which is significantly higher than 50. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howie8217 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Don’t mean to repeat the question. But dose it matter bout the rep? If the file works fine then why just make do I ain’t fussed bout the rep thing. With all do respect I just wanna play the game, longs the rep don’t go world class I don’t see the problem Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 2 hours ago, Howie8217 said: Don’t mean to repeat the question. But dose it matter bout the rep? If the file works fine then why just make do I ain’t fussed bout the rep thing. With all do respect I just wanna play the game, longs the rep don’t go world class I don’t see the problem Yes it matters a lot because it makes promotion/relegations re the leagues you aren't in very boring. Last year I had to spend hours every pre-season manually adjusting reps in every league under tier 6. As others have mentioned, in a separate (8-level) edit I'm not finding that happen - mind you there aren't any reserve sides in that file. I only used Dan's file last year - does anyone know if this bug plagued others in FM17? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwchriste Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 18 minutes ago, phnompenhandy said: Yes it matters a lot because it makes promotion/relegations re the leagues you aren't in very boring. Last year I had to spend hours every pre-season manually adjusting reps in every league under tier 6. As others have mentioned, in a separate (8-level) edit I'm not finding that happen - mind you there aren't any reserve sides in that file. I only used Dan's file last year - does anyone know if this bug plagued others in FM17? So I just opened one of Dan's FM17 files, changed to Advanced Rules and verified all levels and it changed the reps of the reserve teams to 40% of the parent clubs' values! This is new. I had one of his databases that I had to convert to advanced rules to remove Brexit. It was successfully verified and the reserve teams' rep did not change back then (a few months ago). Weird. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwchriste Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 7 hours ago, KUBI said: OK, that's something for the bugs forum. Alternative solution for the moment is not to verify the file and just test it in-game. I don't think that alternative solution works. On the screen where you select which leagues are playable, the drop-down for England was grayed out and blank. It let you continue, but seems to stick you with the default league options of Premier - League 2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howie8217 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 There is alternative. Two 1. Get rid off the reserve teams or the ones causing the issue and add othe English team as there is a lot in the lower league that not in a league. 2. Do same but add Welsh non league teams ( that what I do as I’m welsh I put low rating teams in, usuall round from were I live. othere than the rep dose the file work past the first season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompeyboyz Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Howie8217 said: There is alternative. Two 1. Get rid off the reserve teams or the ones causing the issue and add othe English team as there is a lot in the lower league that not in a league. 2. Do same but add Welsh non league teams ( that what I do as I’m welsh I put low rating teams in, usuall round from were I live. othere than the rep dose the file work past the first season? Dan's file is as realistic as possible and his reputation is based upon that. He is not going to do a half-arsed job or release a Sangre Blu style hash job. So you will have to wait like the rest of us while the issue is investigated and fixed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howie8217 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 I’m sorry didn’t mean to offend anyone. Just trying to think off solutions that may help Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmattb28 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Pompeyboyz said: He is not going to do a half-arsed job or release a Sangre Blu style hash job. THIS!! Made me laugh pal! Sangue Blu's files are terrible! But back on topic, Dan's files are as close the real life as possible and as such I'm sure he takes pride in making them so, he won't start chopping and changing teams here and there just to get a 'working' file. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howie8217 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 There are a few welknown (reform teams) in England lower league. Just a solution if the rep problem could not be fixed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveyisatard Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Howie8217 said: There are a few welknown (reform teams) in England lower league. Just a solution if the rep problem could not be fixed Again this won't be realistic though, stop trying to hurry this along as Dan will take whatever time he needs to get it right! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajsr1982 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Looking forward to this landing, Dan. Appreciate and admire your work! So much more interesting than this professional nonsense, eh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grade Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 2 hours ago, bigmattb28 said: THIS!! Made me laugh pal! Sangue Blu's files are terrible! But back on topic, Dan's files are as close the real life as possible and as such I'm sure he takes pride in making them so, he won't start chopping and changing teams here and there just to get a 'working' file. Just out of curiosity. Why Sangue Blu's files are terrible? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KUBI Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Gerade eben schrieb grade: Just out of curiosity. Why Sangue Blu's files are terrible? He is just filling up every league with all available clubs in a nation by adding various tiers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompeyboyz Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, grade said: Just out of curiosity. Why Sangue Blu's files are terrible? There is no real accuracy in what he does. just makes a league file using teams available Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompeyboyz Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 minute ago, KUBI said: He is just filling up every league with all available clubs in a nation by adding various tiers. oooh snap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan BHTFC Posted November 28, 2017 Author Share Posted November 28, 2017 Where as mine is a labour of love (and stress) to make it as accurate as possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howie8217 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 I was just trying to help. Misery people haha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan BHTFC Posted November 28, 2017 Author Share Posted November 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, Howie8217 said: I was just trying to help. Misery people haha It's fine, just a lot more complicated than it looks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grade Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 hour ago, KUBI said: He is just filling up every league with all available clubs in a nation by adding various tiers. When i tested his leagues, a felt that way. I thought the idea of using the top 6 tiers of the english league, was nice, for all leagues around the world. But what turn me off, is that teams in the lower leagues seemed to be mashed together randomly. Sorry Dan for the little detour. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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