Administrators Lucas Posted October 15, 2017 Administrators Share Posted October 15, 2017 Our next edition of Football Manager TV takes an in-depth look at Sports Science. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Too slow Lucas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Lucas Posted October 15, 2017 Author Administrators Share Posted October 15, 2017 I didn't have you down as a subscriber to the YouTube channel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 I'm not, just saw RTH's post in the other announcement thread & as I said there this might be the best feature yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dagenham_Dave Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 What I'll be keen to find out is how this info is presented if you're managing a small side who can't afford any sports scientists. If their role is more 'visible' now, what level of information will you have if you only have one physio, for example? If you see all the same stuff, then what is the advantage of having Sports Scientists? Strikes me that given 'medical centre' is a clickable feature on its own in the main toolbar, that you'll have access to this regardless. Maybe it will be the level of detail therein that'll change depending on the staffing levels. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 I like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilkork Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 (edited) After 3 videos, I'm finally very satisfied with something. This is a major improvement, very glad with this feature . I'd like to believe I played a little part in this . EDIT: Well, Scouting was also good. Edited October 15, 2017 by ilkork Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rashidi Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 I like this feature and I am already hailing Dynamics and Sports Science as potential "mini-games' within FM. Totally looking forward to using the whip to see how many players I send to the treatment table and whether I can get a player revolt happening to get me kicked out within a month :-) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby_Zamora Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Ok, I'm sold, can't wait to play it. I was sold after scouting anyway. 1 hour ago, Dagenham_Dave said: What I'll be keen to find out is how this info is presented if you're managing a small side who can't afford any sports scientists. If their role is more 'visible' now, what level of information will you have if you only have one physio, for example? If you see all the same stuff, then what is the advantage of having Sports Scientists? Strikes me that given 'medical centre' is a clickable feature on its own in the main toolbar, that you'll have access to this regardless. Maybe it will be the level of detail therein that'll change depending on the staffing levels. 1 This is what makes sense. A poor SS shouldn't be able to make dramatic changes. We have experienced the dramatic changes some professionals have done to prevent training injuries here in Brazil, and how some of them failed so hard. I hope this gets reflected. 2 minutes ago, Rashidi said: I like this feature and I am already hailing Dynamics and Sports Science as potential "mini-games' within FM. Totally looking forward to using the whip to see how many players I send to the treatment table and whether I can get a player revolt happening to get me kicked out within a month :-) I will do what Emerson Leao used to do at Brazilian clubs -- get rid of the most influential player and anyone who is unhappy at that, no matter if they're club legends or scored the title winner 2 weeks prior to that. Let's see how we can push this dynamics feature. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rashidi Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Just now, Bobby_Zamora said: I will do what Emerson Leao used to do at Brazilian clubs -- get rid of the most influential player and anyone who is unhappy at that, no matter if they're club legends or scored the title winner 2 weeks prior to that. Let's see how we can push this dynamics featur You gotta build your own loyal group of supporters right? So ask them to come into your room, those who do not kiss you on the ring, they go out for a boat ride. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynch48 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 I never more excited to wait a new FM!! Well done SI!! Now give me the the date of beta already!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonAndLance Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 8 minutes ago, Lynch48 said: I never more excited to wait a new FM!! Well done SI!! Now give me the the date of beta already!! my (incredibly unlikely) hope is that, because they're doing one of these almost every day, at the end they'll release a beta.. PROBABLY not, but plsplsplspls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBKalle Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Hopefully, and finally, that'll put an end to the "random injury epidemic"... BTW, I know it's a long shot, but I'd really like to see previous injuries taking the toll on a player, making him more susceptible to similar incidents due to tear and wear (in the editor, there is indeed the "recurring" option for injuries, so there must be some sort of foundation to build on). AFAICT, now injury proneness is random, where a guy with a high value is as likely to tear an abdominal muscle while taking a dump as to sprain his ankle 5 times in a season in training. With this new addition, could it be possible to have a guy who has had knee problems before be more prone to THAT specific injury? I mean, if I sign Pato I'd "expect" him to miss many months with muscle injuries, or that poor Giuseppe Rossi isn't likely to last more than 20 games without going down to the Nth knee ligament career-ending injury. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBarbaric Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 3 minutes ago, RBKalle said: AFAICT, now injury proneness is random, where a guy with a high value is as likely to tear an abdominal muscle while taking a dump as to sprain his ankle 5 times in a season in training. With this new addition, could it be possible to have a guy who has had knee problems before be more prone to THAT specific injury? i think that was already in before. i am sure it is in with the overhaul if you better check the screenshots I think it says somewhere "recurring injurry". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukefitch Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Well done SI! Another good feature in my opinion. Wasn't too hyped when it was announced but having watched the video it looks like it'll really improve the game. Props for listening to the FM community too and focusing on the right things this year. Injuries always seemed too random and frequent. Great to have a way to manage that (as much as is possible). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kandersson Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 (edited) Looks like a very useful addition. Personally I find injuries in FM quite frustrating, not because of their frequency (I agree that real life injuries are actually more frequent) but because 4-5 weeks 'minor' injuries (e.g. sprained ankle, broken arm) often result in pace/acceleration attributes drop, which seem to be quite hard to gain back especially for older (28+ years old) players. I don't think these types of injuries should have such a severe impact on player's physical ability, maybe a shorter temporary effect on attributes like agility, natural fitness and stamina until they re-gain ideal match fitness. Edited October 15, 2017 by kandersson 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOODNAME Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 That was nice but pretty boring,everyone waits for the ME and new graphic engine.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChelseaSince86 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 anyone else feeling this fm is the biggest evolution in the past few years? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 10 minutes ago, ChelseaSince86 said: anyone else feeling this fm is the biggest evolution in the past few years? Certainly feels like it. Obviously it will now come down to the execution. But intent wise I'd agree 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdbayly Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 In FM17 I experienced very few match injuries but an abundance of training injuries. I can recall a recent week where 3 of my top players all strained their backs lifting weights in gym. I wanted to climb in to the game world and murder my coaches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest El Payaso Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 I just hope that the sports scientist will not be an easy way for teams having virtually no injuries at all. I mean like if you sign one with good attributes and follow the instructions and walk injury free just because of that. An easy method to avoid injuries would be really really bad as for example Arsenal haven't found an easy fix for their injury history and you could say that on some seasons they have been forced to throw the title hope away during the December - January area mainly because of this: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/arsenal-most-injured-premier-league-10123807 I hope that this as a feature once again actually requires us to pay more attention on what we are doing between those days between matches and also on how we set up training (area which, still fingers crossed, hopefully also experiences a revamp). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdbayly Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Is there an evidence base that shows sports science has made any difference to the frequency or severity of injuries? I've been running a fantasy league since 2002, and have always used http://www.physioroom.com/research/index.php as a source of injury news. Year on year the numbers seem pretty consistent regardless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 For me sports scientists are more about prolonging careers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdbayly Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 It would be great if they worked with older players to perhaps develop individual training or match schedule advice that slowed the decline of physical attributes. On a basic level their advice could look like this: Training = Include an additional rest day per week Matches = limit to 1 fixture per week, 75 mins per game. You could choose to ignore the advice but that would risk speeding their decline maybe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChelseaSince86 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 5 hours ago, GOODNAME said: That was nice but pretty boring,everyone waits for the ME and new graphic engine.... I think that will be last, FM i suspect are expecting a barrage of negativity when that sucker comes out. (simply because whatever they change, improve, itll upset some) All hell will for sure break loose i feel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobaeux4 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Overacting aside, the videos are making me excited for FM18. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menion Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 So is this offering anything new or is it just a new screen that draws information together this is basically already view-able? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoxeysTheName Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 What sort of attributes should we be looking out for in Sports Scientists this year then, SI? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNT3R Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, MoxeysTheName said: What sort of attributes should we be looking out for in Sports Scientists this year then, SI? As with Coaches etc, this should be listed in-game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoxeysTheName Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 1 minute ago, HUNT3R said: As with Coaches etc, this should be listed in-game. I know that but as SI are the ones who put them in the game and have placed greater emphasis on them this year, they must already have an idea about what to look out for in terms of attributes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just-Wool Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 OK, the feature videos so far have me down as impressed. I'm actually looking forward to playing FM for the first time in years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 29 minutes ago, MoxeysTheName said: What sort of attributes should we be looking out for in Sports Scientists this year then, SI? I reckon the new Sports Science attribute that was referenced in the video will be the only that matters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoxeysTheName Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 I don't remember a specific attribute being mentioned Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNT3R Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 3 minutes ago, MoxeysTheName said: I don't remember a specific attribute being mentioned The first screen in the video shows this attribute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoxeysTheName Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Just now, HUNT3R said: The first screen in the video shows this attribute. And what was that attribute? I'm awaiting cataract surgery so my eyesight isn't the best right now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martplfc1 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 There's some odd people on here... Nice feature, but like all the others, let's hope it's implemented well and doesn't have too much or too little influence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoxeysTheName Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, HUNT3R said: ??? How is that mentioning an attribute that might or might not be required? If you don't know the answer to my original question, then please don't reply. Thanks Edited October 16, 2017 by MoxeysTheName Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunner86 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Just now, MoxeysTheName said: How is that mentioning an attribute that might or might not be required? The name of the attribute is “Sports Science”. It’s like pace, or finishing. Only more sciency 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoxeysTheName Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Just now, gunner86 said: The name of the attribute is “Sports Science”. It’s like pace, or finishing. Only more sciency I didn't realise that, that in itself was an attribute. If it is then I apologise for the confusion but there some very defensive people on here and they have added to the confusion by not putting it as clearly as you have. Thank you gunner86 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
celtic_fc Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 5 minutes ago, MoxeysTheName said: Not really, as it wasn't clear from what he said that Sports Science was an attribute for Sports Science in the same way Physiotherapy is an attribute for physios. I thought that he meant a Sports Science attribute and not the actual Sports Science attribute itself as I was not aware that it existed hence the reason for my original question. When Hunter chipped in, I thought he was talking about something in the background of the video and I was unable to really make out what it said in the background due to my bad eyesight I suggest waiting for FM Braille. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNT3R Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 8 minutes ago, MoxeysTheName said: When Hunter chipped in, I thought he was talking about something in the background of the video and I was unable to really make out what it said in the background due to my bad eyesight I gave you the exact time in the video to look as well though, so there's no confusion. Isn't this clear? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoxeysTheName Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 12 minutes ago, celtic_fc said: I suggest waiting for FM Braille. Or after my cataract surgery Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoxeysTheName Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 9 minutes ago, HUNT3R said: I gave you the exact time in the video to look as well though, so there's no confusion. Isn't this clear? I already said it was, in a previous post. I was just explaining where thee confusion came from as people seem to get a bit touchy about such things Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andu1 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 I would be pleased if SI released some screenshots along with the videos. Is it that hard to put some screenshots on your website? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martplfc1 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Miss something obvious, invent a serious eye condition instead of holding up your hands Par for the course near release date. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawsey Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Looks a great additon & should aid managers in knowing if any players are in the “Red Zone” as mentioned by a certain Mr Wenger in real life! It is more of a visual guide to how training workloads & number of matches can have an impact. Plus you can spot the Daniel Sturridge’s & Andy Carrol’s of your team so you can get rid of them 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoxeysTheName Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, martplfc1 said: Miss something obvious, invent a serious eye condition instead of holding up your hands Par for the course near release date. Do you want screenshots of the scan? Or perhaps a Doctors note? Whatever you need, just you let me know and I'll get it. You've probably got a forensics lab in your garage, all set up to investigate instance's such as this. No detail gets past martplfc1 Edited October 16, 2017 by MoxeysTheName Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
upthetoon Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 so what happens if the sports science rating is low? does it mean he gives wrong feedbacks occassionaly injuring the players more? how will this affect LLM ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martplfc1 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 (edited) 39 minutes ago, MoxeysTheName said: Do you want screenshots of the scan? Or perhaps a Doctors note? Whatever you need, just you let me know and I'll get it. You've probably got a forensics lab in your garage, all set up to investigate instance's such as this. No detail gets past martplfc1 Nah, I'll take your word for it Funny how you accuse people of being very defensive, mind. Edited October 16, 2017 by martplfc1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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