Peacemaker7 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Yeah but remember Frankie, chanting about the IRA and FTQ is political. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie Posted March 28, 2008 Author Share Posted March 28, 2008 Originally posted by Peacemaker7:Yeah but remember Frankie, chanting about the IRA and FTQ is political. Oh we all know the excuses. What's worse is Celtic FC also attempting to deflect from the issue at hand - namely a fair number of their support (and officially sanctioned bands) singing about h uns and the IRA at the official fan-zone in Barca? Of course the relevent authorities weren't aware of the disappointing behaviour at the time. It's taken a while for it to become available. But for them (and their fans) to not want to admit the problems continue to exist and address them properly after the fact is very poor indeed. Really gives the bigots the room they require to continue their unacceptable behaviour. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo22 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 The thing is Frankie, they do this as they know that the media in this country wont take it upon themselves to actively talk about it. Now wheres that evidence that I had to send to UEFA Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McD Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Originally posted by Frankie:Oh we all know the excuses. What's worse is Celtic FC also attempting to deflect from the issue at hand - namely a fair number of their support (and officially sanctioned bands) singing about h uns and the IRA at the official fan-zone in Barca? Of course the relevent authorities weren't aware of the disappointing behaviour at the time. It's taken a while for it to become available. But for them (and their fans) to not want to admit the problems continue to exist and address them properly after the fact is very poor indeed. Really gives the bigots the room they require to continue their unacceptable behaviour. That's the current regime at Parkhead to a tee though: point-scoring, perpetuating and pandering. It naturally filters down. Gordon Strachan, March '08: "When teams defeat us there is a day of national rejoicing." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie Posted March 28, 2008 Author Share Posted March 28, 2008 Originally posted by jimbo22:The thing is Frankie, they do this as they know that the media in this country wont take it upon themselves to actively talk about it. Now wheres that evidence that I had to send to UEFA But the media is against them. I believe neither Radio Clyde or Real Radio discussed the subject tonight. Now given the alleged pro-Rangers media, it's weird how they're happy to devote days of air-time on our bad behaviour but when it's other clubs they only want to 'talk about the football'. I'll tell you one thing - as much as I often don't like the way our club go about their business, at least when confronted with unacceptable conduct, they didn't hide from it but challenged us to move forward without it. We're now doing that thank goodness. Others can't say the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McD Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Real Radio certainly didn't discuss it, from what I heard, but they did have Alan Rough going on about how Jiri Jarosik will cause us problems tomorrow so I'm not going to give them much credence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie Posted March 28, 2008 Author Share Posted March 28, 2008 Originally posted by McD:That's the current regime at Parkhead to a tee though: point-scoring, perpetuating and pandering. It naturally filters down. Gordon Strachan, March '08: "When teams defeat us there is a day of national rejoicing." I honestly don't know how they (the club or their fans) can do it with a straight face. We're the big bad h uns who sing nasty songs, throw bottles at buses and leave rubbish at away games. Meanwhile, the TGFITW sing nasty songs, throw bottles at buses and assault taxi-drivers at away games. I mean, come on...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie Posted March 28, 2008 Author Share Posted March 28, 2008 Originally posted by McD:Real Radio certainly didn't discuss it, from what I heard, but they did have Alan Rough going on about how Jiri Jarosik will cause us problems tomorrow so I'm not going to give them much credence. Ewen and Roughie are not exactly the brightest lamps in the street.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo22 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Originally posted by Frankie:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jimbo22: The thing is Frankie, they do this as they know that the media in this country wont take it upon themselves to actively talk about it. Now wheres that evidence that I had to send to UEFA But the media is against them. I believe neither Radio Clyde or Real Radio discussed the subject tonight. Now given the alleged pro-Rangers media, it's weird how they're happy to devote days of air-time on our bad behaviour but when it's other clubs they only want to 'talk about the football'. I'll tell you one thing - as much as I often don't like the way our club go about their business, at least when confronted with unacceptable conduct, they didn't hide from it but challenged us to move forward without it. We're now doing that thank goodness. Others can't say the same. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Probably got the usual "lets just talk about football line" Oh wait, its About Rangers, well lets get it going then, Who's first Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo22 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Originally posted by Frankie:Did they ever catch the nice citizen that hit Ricksen with a lighter? Wonder how the investigation is getting on with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anton Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Ah well, another day of agreement and friendship on otf. I'm off now, try and keep yourself fresh for tomorrow fellas. Will be on Sunday very hungover to rejoice in our victory. Hail Hail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo22 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Epic fail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie Posted March 28, 2008 Author Share Posted March 28, 2008 To be honest Jimbo, a decent part of me is glad they didn't discuss it. Such empirical debates analysed by half-wits won't solve the problem. As we've consistently said on here, neither side can win when it comes to this debate. I think some parts of the media are wakening up to that fact while the authorities have also realised the subject is not one that can be solved simply. I'm just glad that our fans (or at least a huge majority of them) accept the problems we've had (and continue to face to a degree) instead of prevaricating, deflecting and denying in their haste to defend songs of hate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McD Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Hail hail Anton Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anton Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Originally posted by Frankie:I'm just glad that our fans (or at least a huge majority of them) accept the problems we've had (and continue to face to a degree) instead of prevaricating, deflecting and denying in their haste to defend songs of hate. Sorry couldn't resist one last question. What songs of hate are you refering too? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo22 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Originally posted by Frankie:I'm just glad that our fans (or at least a huge majority of them) accept the problems we've had (and continue to face to a degree) instead of prevaricating, deflecting and denying in their haste to defend songs of hate. Thats it, we have acknowledged that there was a problem and it has all but gone, we should be happy about that. But we should also get fair media coverage, sadly in Scotland that isnt the case, but hey ho, we should be happy hat we have achieved it and dont need to lie through our teeth about the subject. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie Posted March 28, 2008 Author Share Posted March 28, 2008 Originally posted by Anton:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Frankie: I'm just glad that our fans (or at least a huge majority of them) accept the problems we've had (and continue to face to a degree) instead of prevaricating, deflecting and denying in their haste to defend songs of hate. Sorry couldn't resist one last question. What songs of hate are you refering too? </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Erm, have you actually read anything I've posted today? How about songs hating 'h uns' or songs celebrating sectarian terrorist murder gangs? Add in a few FTQs as well. Are they hateful enough for you? Or is it just the craic? I certainly don't see you coming up with a good reason to continue singing about h uns? I've posted several times on the subject asking you to clarify what you mean but every time you move onto something else. You do agree the the word h un is insulting, discriminatory and often used in a sectarian fashion so should be removed from your songs to avoid contention? Also, what did you mean about my mask slipping? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anton Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Ok one last time. No songs about the IRA have been sung domestically home or away this year at any game I have been at (majority) FTQ exactly the same, maybe a few years ago as an addon but not anymore. The only song with referance to 'h un' in it is the Artur Boruc song. If that is a song of hate then the world really has gone mad. The word *** in that song is clearly just a shortening of rangers. If other people use it in other context then it is not applicable to that song at all. So basically this year you have one instance of a song being sung outside of a stadium in another country. And mock outrage at a song in no way offensive. Guess if you moan long enough even you begin to believe we are constantly spouting 'songs of hate' You really are the people! Wont be on till sunday, so goodnight and gl tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacemaker7 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Deny & deflect, deny & deflect. They're like bloody daleks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeebs Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 The word *** in that song is clearly just a shortening of rangers Didn't know the word Rangers contained the letters h, u and n? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McD Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Told you guys: We've not done anything wrong It's all a big conspiracy The real villains in this are them lot Repeat ad finitum Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo22 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Anyway, bugger this.... Lets talk about the football. Predictions lads? I'm going for 3-1 us with the Darch scoring first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie Posted March 28, 2008 Author Share Posted March 28, 2008 Songs about the IRA have been sung. Hence the UEFA investigation... They have been heard at other games as well. The location of said songs is irrelevant in terms of denying your obvious bigotry problem. H un is not a 'shortening' of Rangers! Does that mean fenian is a 'shortening' of Celtic. You're using the very same argument some of our own fans tried to use before now which Celtic supporters laughed at. Such arguments given the recipient of said terms is extremely flawed. For some h un means Protestant. For some fenian means catholic. It's extremely clear so both contentious terms should be removed. As Jeebs or any decent Celtic fan of whom there are plenty thankfully. I'm astounded at your continued hypocrisy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McD Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Think it'll be 1-1 tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie Posted March 28, 2008 Author Share Posted March 28, 2008 Originally posted by Peacemaker7:Deny & deflect, deny & deflect. They're like bloody daleks. Funniest thing I've read on here in a long, long time... Permission to re-use please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McD Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Originally posted by Anton:The word *** in that song is clearly just a shortening of rangers. And Hearts! Such a versatile word. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibroxhero Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Originally posted by Jeebs:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The word *** in that song is clearly just a shortening of rangers Didn't know the word Rangers contained the letters h, u and n? </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Well there's a n Not got time for all this. Shall we just start the match thread early? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacemaker7 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Originally posted by jimbo22:Anyway, bugger this.... Lets talk about the football. Predictions lads? I'm going for 3-1 us with the Darch scoring first. I think we'll win, as I've said before. But I don't think it will be by that much, 1-0 or 2-1 and it might even end a draw if the referee forgets his instructions. I just think that yes, we are the better team albeit not by much, we are at home but this is an OF derby and you just never no. Was stunned btw to hear people on the Rangers TV channel thinking a draw would be a great result for us. I tend to disagree, whilst a draw wouldn't be a total disaster we really need to win, we might need that nine point gap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie Posted March 28, 2008 Author Share Posted March 28, 2008 Originally posted by McD:Think it'll be 1-1 tomorrow. Yeah, I think a draw is the most likely outcome unfortunately. Not the best result given our remaining games but certainly not a disaster. Really can't pick a winner in this game - could go either way very easily. The officials will have a huge part to play but hopefully in a positive sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacemaker7 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Originally posted by Frankie:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peacemaker7: Deny & deflect, deny & deflect. They're like bloody daleks. Funniest thing I've read on here in a long, long time... Permission to re-use please. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Granted Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie Posted March 28, 2008 Author Share Posted March 28, 2008 Cheers - I can sense a wee Photoshop design on Monday... Right I'm away to try and get a few hours kip. Hope yer team wins tomorrow gentleman. WATP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOORAY HENRIK Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Originally posted by Frankie:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HOORAY HENRIK: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Frankie: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Anton: Ok if you are classing the Boruc song as sectarion then it gets sung at every game. But then we have a whole new argument which I am not even going to start with. I didnt say the youtube stuff didnt exist, I said I hadn't known about them and asked you to link. The IRA addons in the first vid are unacceptable, it being outwith the stadium uefa cannot take any action though. This song gets sung at every home and away match and the addons are never used anymore. I can say that 100% hand on heart. The word 'h un' is only ever used by Celtic fans towards teams with a certain perceived religious affiliation. Much in the same way 'fenian' was allegedly used by some Rangers fans to mean Catholic, I'd suggest a similar number of Celtic supporters use it to describe Protestants. As such, to avoid contention and offence, it should go. My information is that police forces, Celtic FC, the SPL and UEFA all think the same. Don't you? </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Are you really trying to claim only Celtic fans call you h uns? ahahahaha deluded </div></BLOCKQUOTE> No, I never said that anywhere. I referred specifically with regard to Celtic fans usage of the word. Of course other fans - wrongly but not in a sectarian sense (as with fenian arguably) - use the word as well. Are you denying you only every use towards the kind of teams I mention? As for delusion, I think the only deluded person is you son... </div></BLOCKQUOTE> I wont be falling for your RST propaganda...."father" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandaLUFC Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Originally posted by HOORAY HENRIK:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pandaLUFC: You can tell that the derby is coming up H.un has undergone widespread semantic pejoration whereas fenian has undergone narrow linguistic pejoration. I'm not exactly certian why h.un underwent semantic diachrnoic change, opposed to lingusitic diachronic change, but it did - it's certainly less offensive than it used to be. That said, *** - much like fenian - has a different semanic meaning when sung at a football stadium, as it has been contexualised to become inflammatory. You can argue the toss either way, but for Celtic fans to claim that h.un is not sectarian is wrong, just because "other fans" use it - pragmatically, it's not the same for a Celtic fan to call someone a h.un as it is a Hearts, Hibs or Shire fan to call someone a ***. Utter pish. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Having studied historical linguistics, I was kinda hoping for a healthy debate from somebody - instead your response was "Utter pish." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOORAY HENRIK Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 What you know about the history of Scottish football, Celtic, Rangers and the fans could be written on the back of a chewing gum wrapper. So, take your historical linguistics studies and shove them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibroxhero Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Originally posted by pandaLUFC:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HOORAY HENRIK: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pandaLUFC: You can tell that the derby is coming up H.un has undergone widespread semantic pejoration whereas fenian has undergone narrow linguistic pejoration. I'm not exactly certian why h.un underwent semantic diachrnoic change, opposed to lingusitic diachronic change, but it did - it's certainly less offensive than it used to be. That said, *** - much like fenian - has a different semanic meaning when sung at a football stadium, as it has been contexualised to become inflammatory. You can argue the toss either way, but for Celtic fans to claim that h.un is not sectarian is wrong, just because "other fans" use it - pragmatically, it's not the same for a Celtic fan to call someone a h.un as it is a Hearts, Hibs or Shire fan to call someone a ***. Utter pish. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Having studied historical linguistics, I was kinda hoping for a healthy debate from somebody - instead your response was "Utter pish." </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Translation: Utter Pish = Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandaLUFC Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Originally posted by HOORAY HENRIK:What you know about the history of Scottish football, Celtic, Rangers and the fans could be written on the back of a chewing gum wrapper. So, take your historical linguistics studies and shove them. How so? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrazT Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 I popped into this thread hoping that the discussion would be about the game- but no. Whittaker playing instead of Papac- Getting nerveous already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrazT Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Half time 1-0 Thompson Celtic apparantly the better team but who cares. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacemaker7 Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Originally posted by FrazT:Half time 1-0 Thompson Celtic apparantly the better team but who cares. Well as I said in the match fred, happy with goal, not happy with the performance far too many players don't see to be in the game at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo22 Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Celtic have been slightly better, not that much, they seem to have more possession in the middle of the park, McGregor hasnt been troubled though with any real shots on goal. Celtic certainly havent been all over us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 as I said in the other thread, we've done pish all tbh first shot on target was 41 minutes, a wheelie bin would offer more movement than McCulloch, although Celtic really haven't had anything to trouble McGregor so far think we'd have seen a formation change if the score was still 0-0, but we'll not change it at the moment with the score as it is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibroxhero Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Thankfully boyhood fan Brown hasn't got his shooting boots on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibroxhero Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Fantastic victory today, looked good especially just after half time. Nice to see 'the worst Gers keeper in recent years' become the first ever to keep 4 clean sheets vs them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacemaker7 Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Batten down the hatches lad, the whining will soon begin. Think I'm getting rather good at this predictions thing btw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Thomson and Carlos immense today not exactly the most exciting game, but the result is the most important 6 pts clear \o/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibroxhero Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 The Strachan must stay banner Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sav112 Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Result Walter, Walter give us a smile Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacemaker7 Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Nice touch from Walter too, promoting Durranty to manager for the day Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo22 Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 4 OF games and 0 goals lost At times the football is a little poor, but who gives a foooooooooooooook Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scatter Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 excellent result. season extension! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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