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Caleyjag

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Originally posted by Anton:

Do stats of Boyd in old firm and CL games.

Interesting to see if he keeps up his rate against decent teams, or can just finish against the poorer teams.

Probably a couple of goals given that Walter rarely plays him in his 4-5-1.

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matty_8

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Originally posted by Caleyjag:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by matty_8:

tbf i love a stat! Wish there was a good job in football stats!

Boyd :

2005/06 - goal every 73 mins

2006/07 - goal every 124 mins

2007/08 - goal every 88

icon_biggrin.gif anyone else want some stats on anyone? I have a lot of timeicon_frown.gif

Is this basing it on his time on the park (5 minutes here or there) a full 90 minutes, or the total minutes the team has played this year in games that he has featured in?

Because if it was goals against total time he's been on the park he's surely a goal every 20 minutes or so icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i added up all the minutes hes played so this is his goals against time this season.

away to start his goals v celtic and in europeicon_biggrin.gif

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Haz

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If people are so anti-Miller purely on the basis that he played for Celtic and gloated when he scored against us, all I can say is big ****ing deal, get over it.

The only justification for not wanting him back is that he's not very good and is nothing more than a workhorse when whay we are crying out for is a bit of class and guile. That said, I would bet good money that when he finishes next season with 3 goals to his name at least one of them will have been against Celtic.

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matty_8

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Ok Krissy Boyd hasnt scored v celtic or in europe this season. But look at the number of minutes hes played, shocking!

Europe - 2 starts(2 subs) 159 minutes

Old Firm - 0 starts(0 subs) 0 minutes

He didnt play a single minute this season against Celtic. We didnt play our goalscorer against them, i didnt realise that before now.

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Caleyjag

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Rangers skipper Barry Ferguson will not require an operation on his troublesome ankle injury, according to manager Walter Smith.

Saturday's Scottish Cup final win over Queen of the South was Rangers 68th game of the season and Ferguson played through many of them carrying various knocks in addition to his on-going ankle problem.

But Smith insists a well-earned rest during the close season should be enough to see his captain fit and ready for the new campaign.

He told Sky Sports: "It has been more niggly things than anything else. I think the rest will help him.

"He's going to see the specialist in the early part of next week about his ankle but we are confident that there is no surgery required.

"A bit of rest and recuperation will do him the world of good."

Smith expects a busy summer as he seeks to replenish his squad ahead of next season.

He added: "There will be a lot of movement of players in the summer and I'm sure we will have one or two leaving.

"It may mean that we will have to bring in more than the two or three that we are trying to bring in at the present moment."

What a daft bugger. Even if you take pain-killing injections, the problem is still there, and is exasberated by the fact you aren't giving the ankle time to heal and possibly making the situation worse.

Wouldn't be surprised if the specialist tells him to stop playing before he ends up with problems later in life thanks to his refusal to rest it for a few weeks.

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Originally posted by matty_8:

Another stat that kind of shocked me:

Barry Ferguson is second only to McGeady in most SPL assists this season.

After all the slagging hes had in here, i never realised he was still contributing as much as that

most of that stopped after February though probably - apart from the JCD goal against St Mirren that he set up

don't think Boyd has scored that many in Europe actually, I can only remember a goal against Livorno in the 3-2 win in 2006? anybody else remember him scoring any more

although he hardly plays in Europe, so that's probably why. I wouldn't be wanting Walter's sacking if he signed Miller - but I'm just saying he'd be digging a big hole for himself and the player icon_frown.gif

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Gary Toner

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Originally posted by Gary Toner:

I've nothing concrete myself, Just a friend who works in Real Estate and his company is currently dealing with an aquisition for Peter. Again it's probably nothing as apparently Lovenkrands owns a few property's in Scotland but this one has been made a "High Priority"

Oh and apparently this one is being marked as "Non-Rental" unlike his other properities and I am assured by that status he's looking to not rent it out.

Just to add to this from last month. I was told last night that Lovenkrands has indeed finalised the property acquisition and becomes the official owner on July 1st....

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and Loveknrands - only if he was coming back to play as a striker, I don't want to see him anywhere near the wings

unless he's learned how to cross a ball/take on a man at Schalke

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Gary Toner

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If you care for a laugh here are some of the other outlandish "rumours" with no substance other than a friend of a friend, who nailed the milkman's wifes sister ect ect

Mateja Kezman

Nicolas Burdisso

Javier Arizmendi

Thomas Hitzlsperger

Gio

Mika Vayrynen

I have to admit they make for better reading that our real targets icon_biggrin.gif

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Gary Toner

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Anyway this is what I wanted to post

Kenny Miller ;

1996–2000 - Hibs - 45 apps - 12 goals

1998–1999 - Stenhousemuir(loan) - 11 apps - 8 goals

2000–2001 - Rangers - 30 apps - 8 goals

2001 - Wolves loan - 5 apps - 2 goals

2001–2006 - Wolves - 162 apps - 50 goals

2006–2007 - Celtic - 33 apps - 7 goals

2007– Derby - 30 apps - 4 goals

That is why I don't want him at Rangers period nevermind to replace Boyd.

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Jeebs

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Wasn't he joint top scorer in the champions league at one point with a grand total of THREE goals? Before we got knocked out of course.

And he'd be a bizarre replacement for Boyd anyway, different type of player. Both have little workrate (well his workrate was decent with us, but it's apparently been shocking at Derby) but Boyd makes up for that with goals.

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Peacemaker7

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I would love it if Shaun Maloney joined us, but really can't see that being any more than a silly rumour.

Don't get the Ferguson thing, he's either got a problem with his ankle - and therefore needs to get it sorted - or he hasn't and is just using it as an excuse.

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Gary Toner

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Originally posted by Peacemaker7:

I would love it if Shaun Maloney joined us, but really can't see that being any more than a silly rumour.

Don't get the Ferguson thing, he's either got a problem with his ankle - and therefore needs to get it sorted - or he hasn't and is just using it as an excuse.

Ding ding icon_biggrin.gif

Even he knows he is a shadow of the player he was, rather than admit it he continues to use the old injuries as an excuse.

Cynical? me? never icon_wink.gif

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Muzzza

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Originally posted by Gary Toner:

Anyway this is what I wanted to post

Kenny Miller ;

1996–2000 - Hibs - 45 apps - 12 goals

1998–1999 - Stenhousemuir(loan) - 11 apps - 8 goals

2000–2001 - Rangers - 30 apps - 8 goals

2001 - Wolves loan - 5 apps - 2 goals

2001–2006 - Wolves - 162 apps - 50 goals

2006–2007 - Celtic - 33 apps - 7 goals

2007– Derby - 30 apps - 4 goals

That is why I don't want him at Rangers period nevermind to replace Boyd.

Weren't 5 of his goals for us also in 1 game?

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matty_8

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Originally posted by Andy "Muzza" Murray:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gary Toner:

Anyway this is what I wanted to post

Kenny Miller ;

1996–2000 - Hibs - 45 apps - 12 goals

1998–1999 - Stenhousemuir(loan) - 11 apps - 8 goals

2000–2001 - Rangers - 30 apps - 8 goals

2001 - Wolves loan - 5 apps - 2 goals

2001–2006 - Wolves - 162 apps - 50 goals

2006–2007 - Celtic - 33 apps - 7 goals

2007– Derby - 30 apps - 4 goals

That is why I don't want him at Rangers period nevermind to replace Boyd.

Weren't 5 of his goals for us also in 1 game? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

st mirren wasnt it?

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ibroxhero

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Can't see why we couldn't sign Kezman or Hitzlesperger tbh.

Absolutely shocking that Boyd didn't play against Celtic this year.

Also was watching the French Cup Final and interesting to see that PLG has clearly been inspired by our Catenaccio tactics and played that against Lyon and were widely praised icon14.gif

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ibroxhero

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Originally posted by Gary Toner:

The same French Cup Final I watched and thought PSG were all over Lyon? icon_confused.gif

Tbf by watch I mean caught the last 20 and extra time. Saw PSG playing 1 up front and the commentators saying how they had defended well all match icon_smile.gif

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YippeeKaeYay

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I should make clear that I'm not one to wish Smith be sacked for signing one player without giving them a chance. He's certainly taking a gamble going against the fans on this one but, sure, if it pays off then it would ne no surprise if people start having selective memories of Miller.

I was having a discussiong with a friend the other day about Kris Boyd's participation this season which eventually ended up with the idea that Miller/Boyd upfront could be very complementary. Time will tell on that one if Miller resigns.

As for money talks, of course it does but that would only anger me more if we had a shambles like Miller on high wages at the club.

Nice stats matty icon_biggrin.gif

My flatmate should enjoy the goals/minute.

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GingerFurball

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Originally posted by FrazT:

Does anyone remember the furore when Mo Johnston was signed? Demonstartions outside the ground, supporteres burning their scarves and season tickets etc. As soon as he started to score goals most of that was forgotten, especially when he scored the winner against Celtic.

Not saying that the situation is the same but i would be more concerned about Millars quality and whether he can improve the team than worry about his history. He didnt do it first time at Ibrox, wasnt a roaring success at Wolves, didnt make the grade at Parkhead and hasnt set the heather on fire at Derby so I dont think in pure footballing terms he will be the answer, altho he will work harder that most of the other options-maybe this is the attraction to Smith?

The crucial difference is that whatever your opinion of Johnston at the time, it would have taken someone extremely blinkered to deny the talent he had. He was a terrific striker, the best Scotland had in the late 80s.

The same cannot be said of Miller. Remove the baggage that comes with him and 90% of Rangers fans still wouldn't want him. The baggage just adds to the list of reasons.

I've already stated that I don't want him because:

1. He is a terrible, terrible footballer, and if he signs for the rumoured £1.6m, that means we'll have spent nearly £4m on Miller and McCulloch - when every penny at Ibrox is a prisoner, spending that much on two dumplings is criminal.

2. His behaviour in his previous spell at the club. Miller was the mole in the dressing room who leaked stories to the press about the lack of dressing room morale, undermining his manager and worsening team spirit. Smith has been lauded for the team spirit he's created at Ibrox - signing someone who could compromise this, and who has previous for it, is a massive risk.

3. His antics on his Old Firm debut for Celtic were simply unforgivable.

Miller will have an almost impossible task to win over the support, and some will never accept him no matter what he does. A 5 game scoreless streak, or a missed sitter against Celtic, and the knives will be out, big time. Miller is a bad enough footballer to accomplish the above, and he would be under immense pressure going into every game, a pressure that is not healthy for the player or the team. It is a signing that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, financially, and footballing wise.

That's why it's a sacking offence signing him in my book. Smith is staking everything he's worked so hard for this season, and he's risking it all on a mediocre hand.

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Stan petrov

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Originally posted by Gary Toner:

Latest rumours icon_biggrin.gif

in

Shaun Maloney... Who I would be happy with tbh

Kyle Lafferty... Younger Lee McCulloch

out

Sebo to join that French club for £700k

Gow to Aberdeen seems set

Weir to Burnley.

Interestingly, he bought a house in the west end in January which fuelled rumours of a return to Celtic. O'Neill blocked any move at the time though, so maybe he will be coming back to Glasgow this summer...

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Peacemaker7

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That's why it's a sacking offence signing him in my book. Smith is staking everything he's worked so hard for this season, and he's risking it all on a mediocre hand.

But luckily your book - and mine for that matter - doesn't count. I don't want Miller anywhere near Rangers, but if he signs then he has to be given a chance like it or lump it. Football doesn't happen in isolation, and it will affect the confidence of the rest of the team if fans boo-ignore-whatever one player just because the don't like him.

Walter Smith will stand of or fall by the success his team has on the park. IF, come this time next season we have not lifted the SPL title then his head will be on the block, because I think after this season in particular we all now expect more and will not settle for anything less than than the title - well I know I won't. (Of course if he won the CL, well... icon_wink.gif)

Walter Smith may well be a dull, boring old fart of a manager - but you can't argue with his success rate and as long as he keeps that up, I couldn't care less if he signed Neil Lennon. Well ok, mibbe that's going a bit far.....

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GingerFurball

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Originally posted by Stan petrov:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by matty_8:

i was more shocked by his old firm stats. cant justify not playing him at least off the bench against them

Who Boyd?

One goal against Celtic in his whole career. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not to mention we scored against Celtic in every game we played against them this season.

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McD

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Originally posted by GingerFurball:

That's why it's a sacking offence signing him in my book. Smith is staking everything he's worked so hard for this season, and he's risking it all on a mediocre hand.

More tinpot hysteria from someone who veers from being a very good poster to a grim parody of a FF die-hard.

Buying a decent squad-player grafter who will more than likely chip in with a few important goals over the course a season is hardly Smith "risking it all". No doubt you'd rather see Sebo back, with all the touch, awareness and skill of a breeze-block.

Smith knows what he likes and likes what he knows. Miller arguably played the best football of his life in a Scotland jersey under Smith so he'll just be looking for him to replicate that kind of form. He'll also be a decent foil to Boyd. And competition's always healthy. All that's not sackable thinking on WS's part is it?

Miller's not an inspirational signing, but hopefully a couple of better ones follow before the end of August. Until then - like I said to you this time last year when you were proclaiming Doomsday because Celtic beat us to a player who can't keep Paul Hartley and Barry Robson out of a team - CALM THE **** DOWN!

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You talk alot of sense McD but i still think if Kenny Miller is signed there should be a cullor personel from the Top down.

Mo Johnston was a great signing, he was a quality striker alot of teams wanted to get thier hands on.

Kenny Miller is a 5 goals in a 42 game championship season.

Thats not to mention that he's on circa 20k pw at Derby, more than King Carlos is on at Ibrox just now, if he comes back and commands that type of wage heads should literally roll.

We have been dominated this decade by our rivals and signings like Egil Ostenstad, Nuno Capucho, Karl Svennson, Filip Sebo and Kenny Miller are to blame. NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

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McD

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I don't want him either mate, by any stretch of the imagination. I said as much last week. I'm just attempting to justify the logic of his signing a little without resorting to exaggerated crap like "sack Walter Smith".

It's been a mental season, emotions are still running high after the last fortnight and we're facing a long summer of (mostly ********) transfer talk... I just don't think our pre-season should be defined by heated supporter division over one relatively insignificant squad-player.

We know how we feel about him. He knows how we feel about him. Let's see how things pan out.

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