moyesout Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 This thread has put a massive smile on my face.. Absolutely classic from the OP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycarrie Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 To be fair to the lad, I did just have this happen to knock me out of the Champions League With a front three of Dybala, Icardi and Neymar who apparently are League 2 level finishers all of a sudden. Both their goals in the last 10 minutes, naturally. Ah well, onwards and upwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TQ13PS Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Hilarious, this is a great post, can someone please clarify what the final score was after 2 legs. Such fun to be had on these forums. I've never known anyone so desperate to get a win that they reload over 40 times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Brilliant thread, would read again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wazza Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 4 hours ago, CybrSlydr said: He could say that of their Champions League win (assuming we go into the Final and won) but the league titles and other things were won fair and square. Of course they were Funniest thread I've ever read Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CybrSlydr Posted October 30, 2016 Author Share Posted October 30, 2016 Just now, wazza said: Of course they were Funniest thread I've ever read Then if that's not the case, why had I not won the League every year, the Champions League every year, the Spanish Cup every year, etc? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 This is what Donald Trump's presidential campaign would look like if it was played out in FM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbokav1971 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 7 hours ago, CybrSlydr said: What this is showing me is that no matter what formation I use, no matter what roster I use, no matter what team talks I use, I have thus far always lost this game. Currently on reload #38. If nothing I do can change the result, then is that not the absolute definition of predetermined? Which means rigged - the result is already determined before I even hit "Submit Team". Upload your save here and let's see how many of us can win it at the first attempt. I won't even play the game itself. I will just press the IR button and see what happens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbokav1971 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 6 hours ago, Svenc said: I have a bad feeling about this. ;-) I thought we had been here before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris C Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Downloaded file, changed instructions around, played the game. Patted myself on the back for a tidy 2-0 win with 60% of the possession and 1 shot on target for the opposition. Then at the post match screen and remembered I was playing with Celta and not United. I guess I didn't make any subs or tactical changes, and spent the game cheering the opposition to a 2- win. *Takes bow*. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
larxus Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 The trollest thread ever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phd_angel Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Go on vacation for 1 day, and see if your Ass Coach deliver better results. Let me know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aditya Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 If you are winning 3-0 in the first leg, do you realy think your opponent is going to step back defend? or put the same tactic as they did before? second leg tie ,s is the harder than match finals,especially if you win the first leg. I still think pep talks and media interaction matters 1st in this type of games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svenc Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 5 hours ago, Jimbokav1971 said: I thought we had been here before. Always worth a look, in particular as for the revelation that apparently men had fought back the dinosaurs, same as players are ought to fight back the cheating game! It's also revealed to have been the exact same thing, history always tends to repeat itself here (excluding the dinosaurs perhaps): The player never learned to play the game in the first place. Rather than reloading every single match until it's won (back then), he plugs in download tactics. No qualms about either. But this is a weird position from to judge the game were rigged. It isn't. It may be the worst game in the universe going by the rants you often have on the topic at hand, but it's not rigged and it's been shown by better players all the time. This is apparently one of those downloads too that cramps every single player into the box like no team does in football (and no AI does outside of really desperate overloads*) in a bid to overload inherent defensive weaknesses of the ME, and is bound to be hit hard by simply formational switches, even mid-match, by AI sometimes, as forwards in the game don't track back a squad (an FM special you never pick up if you never "learn" to play yourself). And in either case, the downloader thus never being aware of what would make it roughly tick, the inherent strengths and weaknesses each tactic in FM tends to produce, that is unless you would find a cheat that lets you field 20 outfield players and have every square of the simulated pitches covered. Which would be quite some cheat! * hugely looking forward to the day when crap like that isn't viable anymore and punished proper in particular when the threadbare defensive cover isn'T absolutely world class -- all the time, not on random occurances where you come against AI formations that are more likely to do so, btw. Will ease a lot of such random frustration likewise. 7 hours ago, harrycarrie said: To be fair to the lad, I did just have this happen to knock me out of the Champions League With a front three of Dybala, Icardi and Neymar who apparently are League 2 level finishers all of a sudden. Both their goals in the last 10 minutes, naturally. Ah well, onwards and upwards. Placing a tenner on half if not more of those shots on target being from set pieces either immediately or in a move directly resulting off one. Which means in cramped boxes, which means the chance of conversion is not that great. How long has it been in the game now that it shows how players would get frustrated from missing crap shots against massed defenses (i.e. Ronaldo at the Euros missing more shots by himself than half the teams competing had by match day #2, culminating in a missed penalty outright). If you don't look for solutions (this is tactical, always -- from both sides), this will repeat in the future either way. 17 long shots, 18 corners, top teams in real football camping inside opponent's halves average no more than 7. This may be partly ME, but tactics that completely fail to stretch packed defenses have contributed to this all the time. No "guru" by any stretch, but I never have set piece counts like that, even when completely dominating the play. There's a couple of easily avoidable things to force such though, which are making it easy for defenders to always be near, get a foot in or to block/deflect and clear in one way or the other, not sure what the exact cause is here naturally, this really is one for the tactic forums. But rest assured, AI opponent's tactics applied often weren't exactly great here either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustralianKopite Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 12 hours ago, CybrSlydr said: Because I was absolutely furious that we couldn't manage a win! I wanted to throw my keyboard THROUGH my TV! I just kept hitting, "Load" and didn't even bother to look at the pre-match aggregate score. I hope your parents have updated their home & contents insurance! Also why not just add new manager and have Man Utd use a formation of 6-4-0 with a Striker in a GK and other GKs as outfield players and lowest value players outfielders also? By doing this, it would have saved your other 50 million reloads! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazRTaylor Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Any chance this thread can be moved to the Hall of Fame? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheeshy Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Amazing. Absolutely amazing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyinuk Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Of course it is rigged. In fact, it's not just the game. The world as you see it is not actually real. Everything that happen around you, included FM, are rigged against you. In fact, consider this moment as a glitch of the system, and you will be paid a visit by a black guy in sunglasses to learn how to do kung fu in bullet time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hannahrr Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 I once spent 74 saves trying to see if Mlada Boleslav would win the second leg of a Europa League tie against Motherwell. I wasn't managing either, but I thought it unrealistic that so many Scottish teams were doing well in Europe (FM17 for me has seen all three Scottish teams get to the group stage in very save I've done, so it's still nonsense). The first leg at Fir Park was 1-1, and there were 73 times that Motherwell got the 0-0 or a win against a team that would likely dispatch them easily. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black and Yellow Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maaka Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Nice read on a monday morning at work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daylight Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 I sure hope there was a LOT of alcohol consumption going on OP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc1 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 11 hours ago, harrycarrie said: To be fair to the lad, I did just have this happen to knock me out of the Champions League With a front three of Dybala, Icardi and Neymar who apparently are League 2 level finishers all of a sudden. Both their goals in the last 10 minutes, naturally. Ah well, onwards and upwards. That looks scarily similar to Man U v Burnley stats on saturday, 37 shots, 11 on target, 19 corners and 72% possession, who says the game is rigged when you see real life stats like this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danfmnoob Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 16 hours ago, Dagenham_Dave said: I bet you wish you could reload this thread Sorry I have to LOL here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fer Fuchs Ake Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Beat thread I've read in a while. It had save scumming, OP not knowing what match he was playing and the age-old ‘FM is rigged complaint ’. Hall of Fame worthy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnMatrix316 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Lovely stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mavericktangoII Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 It must be rigged lol. How anybody can fail to beat as useless a team as Utd after 40 odd tries is beyond me. Lets face it everyone trashes the sad Salford boys now don't they? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 That's pretty much done it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Actually... reopened... I need cheering up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
burdinho Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 so is this game rigged? I need to know before I decide to buy it or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameuss Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Just now, burdinho said: so is this game rigged? I need to know before I decide to buy it or not. Yeah, but only against you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wells Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 I used to do that early FM days, what I learnt was to move on.. reloading and losing again, again will just make you more angry and crash your laptop/pc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
herne79 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 6 minutes ago, burdinho said: so is this game rigged? I need to know before I decide to buy it or not. Of course not. Read the rest of the thread and you'll see why . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleasedToMichu Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 I'm so happy this got re-opened! Had to let everyone know how much of a chuckle it gave me when i saw he actually only drew the first leg 1-1. 40 rematches thinking he had won the first leg 3-0 : Thread of the year award done and dusted Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
suncrush Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Who amongst us hasn't scummed a save once or twice? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycarrie Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 10 hours ago, Svenc said: Placing a tenner on half if not more of those shots on target being from set pieces either immediately or in a move directly resulting off one. Which means in cramped boxes, which means the chance of conversion is not that great. How long has it been in the game now that it shows how players would get frustrated from missing crap shots against massed defenses (i.e. Ronaldo at the Euros missing more shots by himself than half the teams competing had by match day #2, culminating in a missed penalty outright). If you don't look for solutions (this is tactical, always -- from both sides), this will repeat in the future either way. 17 long shots, 18 corners, top teams in real football camping inside opponent's halves average no more than 7. This may be partly ME, but tactics that completely fail to stretch packed defenses have contributed to this all the time. No "guru" by any stretch, but I never have set piece counts like that, even when completely dominating the play. There's a couple of easily avoidable things to force such though, which are making it easy for defenders to always be near, get a foot in or to block/deflect and clear in one way or the other, not sure what the exact cause is here naturally, this really is one for the tactic forums. But rest assured, AI opponent's tactics applied often weren't exactly great here either. Wasn't really a huge moan, hence the Just an example of how the game can frustrate, I went on a run of big wins after it, its no biggy. 'tis merely a videogame. Oh, and my set pieces generally amount to nothing as I'm sodding awful at setting them up, my majority of chances come from build up play or counters. You just tire sometimes of seeing a world class striker miss the target with his 6th shot in a row from about 6-8 yards out. But, again, happens in actual football. I do play with an attacking mentality in all games and barely a screen for my defence as I find defensive football hideously boring, so results like this happen from time to time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmason122 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Yey, the thread was re-opened! I would like to take this moment to say how happy reading through this thread made me feel. Pure. Comedy. Gold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gholliday87 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Did nobody notice that he said he drew the '2nd leg' which turned out to be the '1st leg' 2-2, yet on the save he uploaded, it was actually 1-1...That's what makes this even funnier!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottGooner Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Hopefully SI can bring in an AI rage quit to the game. If a human player can do it, it's only fair that the AI can too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoxToBox Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 This is nothing, my game has been Will Grigged, and now my hard drive is on fire. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar2010 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 50 minutes ago, suncrush said: Who amongst us hasn't scummed a save once or twice? Me, not even once in any version. I really don't understand why you would. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
suncrush Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 4 minutes ago, Cougar2010 said: Me, not even once in any version. I really don't understand why you would. Because it's a game, and we're all entitled to have fun in our own way. I agree that save scumming makes achievements feel empty, but I disagree that it's some unforgiveable sin in a single-player game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gibbo11 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 3 minutes ago, suncrush said: Because it's a game, and we're all entitled to have fun in our own way. I agree that save scumming makes achievements feel empty, but I disagree that it's some unforgiveable sin in a single-player game. I have no problem with it if that's what someone wants to do, it's just when they do it then come on the forum spouting that the game is rigged and the AI cheats is when I have a problem with it. Edit: Or tries to show off and make out they're better than everyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikenevo Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 34 minutes ago, BoxToBox said: This is nothing, my game has been Will Grigged, and now my hard drive is on fire. I guess I'm the only one who got this joke lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
suncrush Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 24 minutes ago, gibbo11 said: I have no problem with it if that's what someone wants to do, it's just when they do it then come on the forum spouting that the game is rigged and the AI cheats is when I have a problem with it. Edit: Or tries to show off and make out they're better than everyone. Oh sure. On the other hand, since I can't actually see the players training, and I can't make adjustments in practices, sometimes save scumming is a useful way to work out the kinks in a tactic. I prefer to do that with a friendly, but sometimes you have to make tweaks mid-season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bianconeri96 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 PEBKAC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtrwsmiff Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 I've thought the game to be rigged for years but not due to reloading as that's a bit pointless, OP. I'm more fearful of clicking the tactics button midmatch as that's like scoring an OG within seconds of doing so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameuss Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 43 minutes ago, mrtrwsmiff said: I've thought the game to be rigged for years but not due to reloading as that's a bit pointless, OP. I'm more fearful of clicking the tactics button midmatch as that's like scoring an OG within seconds of doing so. I hear you. I avoid looking out of the window whenever I'm playing the game. Oh, and I stand on one leg during the game - left one in the first half, right in the second. If it goes to extra time I have to sit on the floor. But if you don't, it's guaranteed you're going to concede obvs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
suncrush Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 You've also got to wear a tie for cup finals. My wife will come out to the living room, see me at the computer in my britches and a tie, and just turn around and walk right back into the bedroom. It's nice she gives me space when I need to concentrate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raniel3 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 On 30.10.2016 at 18:49, Dagenham_Dave said: Wasn't it Einstein who said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results? I don't know if it was Einstein, but that quote of yours is of a hall of fame caliber, well done Sir! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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