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As many of you may know Wellington Phoenix are unique in the football world due to the fact they participate in a league that is technically in a different Continent to that of their own country. This was all fine and dandy until their deal with the AFC ran out thus meaning they could no longer qualify for the Asian Champions League. Now I've been playing as Wellington & New Zealand since around 2008, up until the deal expiry with the AFC my saves were amazing, multiple seasons long, great fun, Asian and Aussie domination and even some close run CWC tournaments. Now, however, my games with the Nix and NZ last one season, that sucks. I have tried many things to circumnavigate the ACl problem, custom leagues from here and the workshop, none of which seemed to grant me that elusive CL place despite winning the league (and FFA Cup). Sad times.

Now, I'm no editor boff but what I'd like to know is can it be made possible for Wellington to enter a Continental competition? Be it the ACL via the normal means or the Oceania Champions League in a Vaduz type situation or via playing in some kind of NZ Cup. Any help would be much appreciated lads, I just wanna be able to play my favourite FM save again.

Ironically enough Wellington in real life are now pushing for the A-League title and could very well win it, so maybe this issue will actually be addressed by the ACL before too long. Bit silly if the best team in the league can't represent it in the CL.

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Have you tried duplicating the club, moving all the players, staff to the duplicate club and swapping it for the original club?

Only problem with that solution is NZ players count as foreigners to every A-League club except Wellington. Not sure how i'd replicate that rule with the "new" club.

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I've tried everything, nothing worked. To add to the frustration, A-league is super bugged and Wellington youth candidates can't sign youth contracts.

Forget Wellington mate!

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I've tried everything, nothing worked. To add to the frustration, A-league is super bugged and Wellington youth candidates can't sign youth contracts.

Forget Wellington mate!

I've never really had much problems with the A-League, even if they only did just patch the WP bug for Wellington.

I can't forget them! I love em too much, I watch the games on TV, i've got a kit. Not to mention I know far more about Wellington and NZ football than any normal Englishman should. There's a reason i've played Wellington/NZ for the last 7 odd years.

There *has* to be a way to sort it, right? I mean Vaduz, they're in the game and they get automatic Europa League qualification, the precedent is there, surely it can be replicated?

Or surely a proficient editor can add The Nix to the Chatham Cup or create a new Cup just for NZ teams with the winner getting an OCL berth? Surely?

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I would duplicate the club and set them as Australian with continental nation as Australian, just keep Kiwi for its based nation. As for New Zealanders counting as foreigners, go into the nation tab for Australia and look for 'Nations treated as non foreign' or something like that, then add New Zealand there; admittedly then all Australian clubs can sign New Zealanders but it's away around this problem.

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I've never really had much problems with the A-League, even if they only did just patch the WP bug for Wellington.

I can't forget them! I love em too much, I watch the games on TV, i've got a kit. Not to mention I know far more about Wellington and NZ football than any normal Englishman should. There's a reason i've played Wellington/NZ for the last 7 odd years.

There *has* to be a way to sort it, right? I mean Vaduz, they're in the game and they get automatic Europa League qualification, the precedent is there, surely it can be replicated?

Or surely a proficient editor can add The Nix to the Chatham Cup or create a new Cup just for NZ teams with the winner getting an OCL berth? Surely?

Mate I'm pretty much like you when it comes to Wellington Phoenix! I even had a story thread in another site before A-league bugs made the save frustrating (can't sign Phoenix regens on youth contracts unless I have the HoYD handle the signings; no transfer activity of other A-League clubs in three years)

As for AFC ban I bothered a few editing 'specialists' and all told me it's hardcoded and impossible to edit. I thought maybe there could be a chance to have the Reserves (now competing in the New Zealand championship, which you can download somewhere) eligible for O-League but can't do that either.

From what I understand it's impossible to edit the Nix to play OFC competitions because they're considered 'Australia'/'Asia' in some ways; on the other hand it's impossible for them to play AFC competition as it's hardcoded this way. Vaduz situation might be slightly different as both Swiss and Lichtenstein are part of Europe and Uefa.

The 'duplicating' thing might be your best shot but I don't know HOW it will work. I tried (I admit I'm useless at editing) and made a disaster, with player wages and staff roles all messed up despite spending hours inserting correct values...

I just want a button 'REMOVE AFC BAN', that would be nice...

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I'm on FM14, but I managed to get Wellington competing in Oceania while playing in Australia. They won the OCL but don't seem to make the CWC at all.

this is promising, how did you do that?

though without club world cup it would still be pointless for the Nix...

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I added a basic New Zealand league system with Wellington entered in the Chatham Cup. Wellingtons continental cup nation was set to NZ

that would be great if you could also make Wellington eligible for club world cup whne they win OCL... if you ever manage to do that please post here!

@the good rebel: I think Wellington Phoenix are hardcoded to be non-eligible for AFC competitions in any case, so pretty sure that wouldn't work.

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that would be great if you could also make Wellington eligible for club world cup whne they win OCL... if you ever manage to do that please post here!

@the good rebel: I think Wellington Phoenix are hardcoded to be non-eligible for AFC competitions in any case, so pretty sure that wouldn't work.

I'll work on it, maybe try duplicating?

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I'll work on it, maybe try duplicating?

yeah I did try and spent a fair amount of time moving all the staff and players to the 'new' club, inserting all correct parameters of club finances, staff roles and players wages and eventually everything was messed up - board members becoming coaches, wrong players' wages and club value much higher than default (like 8M instead of 1M...) so i gave up... not the most gifted edit guy, I reckon...

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On 21/04/2015 at 08:55, Goughy7 said:

As many of you may know Wellington Phoenix are unique in the football world due to the fact they participate in a league that is technically in a different Continent to that of their own country. This was all fine and dandy until their deal with the AFC ran out thus meaning they could no longer qualify for the Asian Champions League. Now I've been playing as Wellington & New Zealand since around 2008, up until the deal expiry with the AFC my saves were amazing, multiple seasons long, great fun, Asian and Aussie domination and even some close run CWC tournaments. Now, however, my games with the Nix and NZ last one season, that sucks. I have tried many things to circumnavigate the ACl problem, custom leagues from here and the workshop, none of which seemed to grant me that elusive CL place despite winning the league (and FFA Cup). Sad times.

Now, I'm no editor boff but what I'd like to know is can it be made possible for Wellington to enter a Continental competition? Be it the ACL via the normal means or the Oceania Champions League in a Vaduz type situation or via playing in some kind of NZ Cup. Any help would be much appreciated lads, I just wanna be able to play my favourite FM save again.

Ironically enough Wellington in real life are now pushing for the A-League title and could very well win it, so maybe this issue will actually be addressed by the ACL before too long. Bit silly if the best team in the league can't represent it in the CL.

Well there in 6th place so doubt a title will happen since there 2-0 down now as well . It's hard coded in the game so unless you recreate the club I cant see any other option

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