Astafjevs Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 I find it hard to judge them. It's easy to look at their results and say they suck. But they've created a load of chances that they should have scored over the two games - Nani has had two, Ronaldo has had two (not including his penalty). Someone else has had a headed effort as well that should have gone in. So I find their results a bit 'false'. Austria had absolutely nothing and were lucky to get a 0-0. Iceland were a bit better, but also should have been beaten. But then they won't create that many against a better team like England. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon_84 Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Portugal would rip us apart. That isn't an "England are crap blah blah blah" statement. They actually would. Our defensive positioning is poor. Portugal have a very good attack, constantly moving, passing, switching etc. Smalling wont know whats hit him. Portugal have played an Iceland side playing with no pressure on them whatsoever and were just very unlucky last night against Austria. Who, don't forget, were a lot of peoples dark horses before a ball was kicked. I've not seen one team that might/will/should qualify that England would beat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 So from that list above, where I outlined every team cEngland can face on the way to the SF, you don't think they can beat any of them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius1998 Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 I have no idea why Austria were ever considered dark horses by people. They don't have so-called golden generation and are not much more than a decent team either. Croatia have looked far better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon_84 Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 So from that list above, where I outlined every team cEngland can face on the way to the SF, you don't think they can beat any of them? On paper yes. In qualification yes. In a tournament no. Romania - Haven't looked too bad so far Albania - Plucky underdog, no pressure Czech Republic - Maybe a chance but they showed the other night they don't give up, it could be a tough game Croatia - Great team, decent going forward and would cause us massive problems Belgium - would seriously hurt us on the counter Hungary - another plucky underdog playing with no pressure Portugal - same as Belgium Iceland - if they play like they have been for the first 177 of the tournament then we would find it tough Personal opinions obviously as this is tournament football. But I wouldn't be confident in any of those games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Belgium and Croatia would be very difficult games and if we lost I'd be understanding. Portugal I'd be more annoyed at losing to than Belgium and Croatia, but again I'd get it. Any of the others I'd be very, very annoyed at losing against. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearcey_90 Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 God I hope we win tomorrow or just win the group. Got next Saturday all planned out ready for our last 16 game BBQ, Game, then Joshua fight Vardy/Sturridge/Wilshere in for Kane/Sterling/Alli I reckon for next game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VamPook Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 http://talksport.com/football/adam-lallana-backs-harry-kane-continue-englands-corner-taker-claiming-he-has-got Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cms186 Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 On paper yes. In qualification yes. In a tournament no.Romania - Haven't looked too bad so far Albania - Plucky underdog, no pressure Czech Republic - Maybe a chance but they showed the other night they don't give up, it could be a tough game Croatia - Great team, decent going forward and would cause us massive problems Belgium - would seriously hurt us on the counter Hungary - another plucky underdog playing with no pressure Portugal - same as Belgium Iceland - if they play like they have been for the first 177 of the tournament then we would find it tough Personal opinions obviously as this is tournament football. But I wouldn't be confident in any of those games. this is absolute rubbish, we would be massive favourites to beat Romania, Albania, Hungary, Czech Republic and Iceland and rightly so, those 5 have very few decent attacking players (off the top of my head, the best any of them have is Gylffi Siggurdsson?) to put our Defence under any kind of pressure, Portugal would have a chance if Ronaldo finds his shooting boots, but they dont play as a team and we have shown that we can play well against their tactical set up (albeit against lesser players on the whole) in the friendly a few months ago, Belgium would be a concern as they have some very good players, but their manager is inept and again, they dont play as a team, Croatia would be the biggest concern, but if Modric is out for any length of time, then much less of one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 On paper yes. In qualification yes. In a tournament no.Romania - Haven't looked too bad so far Albania - Plucky underdog, no pressure Czech Republic - Maybe a chance but they showed the other night they don't give up, it could be a tough game Croatia - Great team, decent going forward and would cause us massive problems Belgium - would seriously hurt us on the counter Hungary - another plucky underdog playing with no pressure Portugal - same as Belgium Iceland - if they play like they have been for the first 177 of the tournament then we would find it tough Personal opinions obviously as this is tournament football. But I wouldn't be confident in any of those games. This is absolute drivel. So you'd be alright if we got knocked out by Romania, Albania, Czech Republic, Hungary or Iceland? Not one of those teams would cause us major issues and we'd comfortably dispatch them if we got them in the knockouts. Belgium would be a tough game, they'd be a real handful and it'd probably be a 50/50 game, too close to call. We'd be favourites if we got Portugal or Croatia but only just. We've got a very decent chance of making the semi finals if we top our group tomorrow night. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon_84 Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 I never said I would be ok with it. I said I cant see us beating those teams in a tournament. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 You must have very limited imagination if you can't see us beating Iceland in a tournament. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Tell you what. Wandering around France talking to people of all different nationalities and serious numbers of people have England pegged as potential winners. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 That's just the England fan mentality though. Years of bumbling our way through tournaments will always leave us not fully confident in us beating someone. But you can't see 'I can't see us beating them' as we clearly could. Hence the bookies would make us favourites for most of those games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Tell you what. Wandering around France talking to people of all different nationalities and serious numbers of people have England pegged as potential winners. Because, like France, they have a very good draw. I struggle to see a scenario where England beat Spain in the SF (assuming Spain win group and get there), which is why I don't think they'll win it. But a SF with these teams in their way should be a minimum expectation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Yeah, Spain would be hugely tough. Wouldn't expect us to win that in the slightest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fosse Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Yeah, Spain would be hugely tough. Wouldn't expect us to win that in the slightest. I wouldn't fancy it but if we played on the counter with Vardy and Sturridge/Rashford up top there's a very good chance we'll score and we're just hoping our crayon eaters at the back hold out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar2010 Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Decent possibility to face Albania now but more likely to be facing 3rd in Group D. Only way we can face the Czech Rep would be for Croatia to take something from their match vs Spain so more likely Croatia or Turkey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hom3r Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Maybe a chance vs the Czech Republic Would walk all over those little slugs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 All the papers saying Rooney will be rested Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 decent chance of facing Albania? we havn't won the group yet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Don't understand that. I know England are still better on paper than Slovakia, but I think they're also the team most likely to cause England problems defensively in this group. Unless he's banking on them playing for a draw. Coming runner up in will really damage chances of going further than the QF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar2010 Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Don't understand that. I know England are still better on paper than Slovakia, but I think they're also the team most likely to cause England problems defensively in this group. Unless he's banking on them playing for a draw. Coming runner up in will really damage chances of going further than the QF On their day I think England is capable of beating any of the teams in the tournament. You simply can't use the same 11 every game, it leads to tiredness in those playing while those not lose sharpness from not playing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hom3r Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 None of those rotations are particularly huge drop offs though in fairness other than probably Walker for Clyne and Rooney for Hendo on their form so far (even though I rate Hendo higher than most). Alli, Sterling and Kane haven't performed particularly well and Sturridge, Vardy and Wilshere probably deserve a chance ahead of them anyway and Walker/Rose have done a mental amount of running that resting them is probably for the best regardless of how good they are. Hendo for Rooney would be a surprise but I was really impressed with him in the Germany game and did so much work letting the other players attack. Faster pace for the counter as Slovakia are more likely to attack us of the teams so far too. Actually not sure if it will be Alli or Lallana thinking about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Hart Clyne - Smalling - Cahill - Bertrand Henderson - Dier - Wilshere Sturridge - Vardy - Lallana Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett.spurs Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Other than Heaton and Milner the rest of the players in the squad are all on a similar level anyway. Only one that absolutely has to play is Dier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Good to see that whenever a team faces us they suddenly become one of the best team ever and their players become amazing! Saw this rotation stuff, hmmmm, could hideously backfire, not sure it's called for Huge risk if it goes wrong Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Vessey Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Agree with Razzler. If we don't win the group then Hodgson has essentially sacked himself as we'll be landed with a much tougher route through the knock-out stages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Good to see that whenever a team faces us they suddenly become one of the best team ever and their players become amazing!Saw this rotation stuff, hmmmm, could hideously backfire, not sure it's called for Huge risk if it goes wrong I fancy we're going to see a little reversal today, and we'll be defending whilst Slovakia do the bulk of the attacking. Pressure's off today a little, maybe a rest/like for like changes might be good, especially for making sure some players get some game time for matches they might feature should we progress beyond. Apart from Spain, and possibly France and maybe the way Italy have started, don't think there's another team so far I've seen and thought they'd instantly be better. Saw the distance covered stat earlier today, Alii was on top, surprised to Rooney 5th ahead of Walker. He might not look it, but he's definitely still got an engine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggins Top Boys Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 well you can take 23 players for a reason. don't think it's that bad an idea Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daylight Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Tell you what. Wandering around France talking to people of all different nationalities and serious numbers of people have England pegged as potential winners. People tend to drink a lot at tournaments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo7 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Yeah I'm pretty happy with that rumoured team. Henderson is the only "ughhh" player selected there for me, the rest more than deserve a pop and I don't feel we are weakening our team by doing so at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Too many changes, how are you meant to build momentum? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Too many changes' date=' how are you meant to build momentum?[/quote']It's a fine balance, without the changes what happens when a couple of players get injured or suspended in the next game or so and you have to bring on players who've not played since competitively since May? There's enough quality there to win, if anything Sturridge and Vardy are upgrades on the current form of Kane and Sterling, and Wilshere is at the very least equal to midfielder Rooney. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 I'm not to keen on too many changes. Slovakia are no mugs at all. We have to win this game. If we wanted to rest players we should have beat Russia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 I don't mind a bit of rotation I think previously we have had a strong XI and then any changes were weakening the team whereas I think now we may not have as good as our first XI has been but the bench players are similar level in that it's not weakening full backs to rotate them, for instance I am wary of too many changes in the sense I don't want it being considered as taking the foot off the gas. That shouldn't be the case but ... hopefully not Slovakia may look at that and think same team for two games and now 6 different players, these are not the 6 best as they weren't starting before and give them a little pep in their step Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebs Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 6 changes is a bit much, but I agree a lotvwith Bliss' comment just above...it isn't really big considering who will end up starting. Big game though, and Slovakia are dangerous to a certain extent. If we go 1 behind in the first half it could be the usual English disaster that we're used to Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arenaross Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Is there any way of us crashing out tonight? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 If these replacements just play with confidence then great I fear we'll be 1-0 down and here's Rooney and Kane warming up to rescue a point ... oh what's the score in the other game aaaahhhhhhh etc etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 It'd be just so typical of England to go a goal down in the 5th minute, rip up the pre-match tactics and spend the rest of the game desperately trying to score Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 What happens if he makes 6 changes and we look better than we've done in the previous games? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Is there any way of us crashing out tonight? For that to happen: England need to lose, possibly by more than one goal. Northern Ireland need to get a point (or better) vs. Germany Czech Republic need to beat Turkey, and maybe by more than one goal depending on England's hypothetical 'loss' Sweden or Ireland (preferably Sweden as their GD is better) need to beat Belgium/Italy. As above, Sweden may need to win by more than one goal. If Ireland, then they will need to win by 2 or 3 goals. Portugal and Iceland need to win their last games. Portugal need to win by one goal (or fewer than England lose by). That would leave four teams on 4 points, and all with a better GD than England. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arenaross Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Ha, thanks! Unlikely...but not impossible! This has classic England written all over it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti Spiral Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 If anyone can do it, England can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redshift Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Is there any way of us crashing out tonight? Albania are 3rd with 3 points so we are ahead of them. We would have to have all the rest of the 3rd place teams to get 4 points to equal us and us to have a worse goal difference than all of them for us to go out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 What happens if he makes 6 changes and we look better than we've done in the previous games? That'd be ideal but, you know, it's England, so ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 We have Slovakia in our qualifying group for the World Cup and you know there's no chance of a full team playing in those, they'll be players dropping out left and right so might be a good tester for not having a full side out in the Quals How about that for a positive spin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearcey_90 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Daylight seems desperate in this thread Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daylight Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Desperate for what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Adam Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 I like the rumoured team. Not so much that players need resting but more that others need game time. You don't want to stick with same team and win a quarter final against Belgium but then get a couple of injuries and suspensions and need to bring in 4 players that haven't played at all for a semi versus Spain. Now if Alli or Rooney get suspended or injured (not exactly a far fetched event), the likes of Henderson and Wilshere will be able to step in having had some game time over the last month. And I know Henderson has his detractors but he is very good positionally and defensively. He will do a job at helping keep us solid tonight and let the more attacking players attack. A team with 2 good, hungry, marauding full backs with Wilshere in behind a front 2 of Sturridge and Vardy, shielded and protected by Dier and Henderson, should be more than enough to beat Slovakia. It's hardly significantly worse than putting Rooney or Alli in. Positives far outweigh the risks for me. If you get to the final you play 7 games and so it is essential we get players game time in case they're needed. No point turning up to play unless you're aiming to go all the way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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