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Another slight amendment made:

Fluidity: Fluid

Strategy: Control

--------------GK---------------

WB(A)--CD(D)--CD©--WB(S)

-------DLP(D)--BBM(S)--------

IF(S)--------AP(A)-------IF(A)

------------DLF(S)-------------

Team Instructions:

Shorter Passing

Get Stuck In

Hassle Opponent

More Expressive

Play out of Defense

Push Higher Up

Drill Crosses

GK - Distribute to defenders

Both WB - Cross more often

Both IF - Stay narrower, shoot less often

Both BBM and DLP - More direct

AP - Roam from position

DLF - Move into channels, shoot less often

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Another slight amendment made:

Fluidity: Fluid

Strategy: Control

--------------GK---------------

WB(A)--CD(D)--CD©--WB(S)

-------DLP(D)--BBM(S)--------

IF(S)--------AP(A)-------IF(A)

------------DLF(S)-------------

Team Instructions:

Shorter Passing

Get Stuck In

Hassle Opponent

More Expressive

Play out of Defense

Push Higher Up

Drill Crosses

GK - Distribute to defenders

Both WB - Cross more often

Both IF - Stay narrower, shoot less often

Both BBM and DLP - More direct

AP - Roam from position

DLF - Move into channels, shoot less often

Looks good, your PI's look very well chosen too.

Thinking of

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dws--rpms---cmd---Wa

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Wba-ldx---ldc----fs

will this work tring to make a 442 no tall man just passing around

Looks logical, although what team and instructions are you using?

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llama3, when you drop your MC's back to the DM strata do you always drop deep and stay on feet?

Not always, depends on if we are losing tackles, or not making enough.

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Illama can you check my tactics and give me your opinion. My idea is to play a direct game through my two wingers who then feed my main targetman with float crosses at the backpost. All 4 players in the midfield do have fine techinical skills with 13-14 in average in all the important attributes, so I am not sure if I also should try and play more short passing, but is that really possible to do that with the roles I assigned to my players now? I am not interessted in changing that.

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Thinking of (attacking structured) direct passing pass to space and press high (not the super high and super close down just both high)

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Illama can you check my tactics and give me your opinion. My idea is to play a direct game through my two wingers who then feed my main targetman with float crosses at the backpost. All 4 players in the midfield do have fine techinical skills with 13-14 in average in all the important attributes, so I am not sure if I also should try and play more short passing, but is that really possible to do that with the roles I assigned to my players now? I am not interessted in changing that.

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You won't play a particularly creative game like that. The TM encourages direct, long passes. So, if you are happy with your roles and duties, then it is not likely to work in that style. A BWM & CM(D) are also not going to be creative either. Overall, what you have seems to work. I would add though, you are instructing your team to hit early crosses - you will get deeper crosses from your W(S) & FB(S), and sometimes your FB(A) - only your Winger gets to the byline - but it adds variation. Just something to consider - do you want the variation, or everyone playing to the same manner?

As for your 4-1-4-1 - you don't have much support in central midfield for your striker. Nobody really gets close to him, to he will get very isolated.

Thinking of (attacking structured) direct passing pass to space and press high (not the super high and super close down just both high)

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dws--rpms---cmd---Wa

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Wba-ldx---ldc----wbs

I am not sure why you have gone for the Limited Defender there - if you have no real physical presence to win the ball in the air and hold it up, then why do you want to launch it long?

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IIama can u pls help me with my tactics for my arsenal save. Cant seen to win a single game at all. Im using a 4231 formation with control and flexible. Using instructions of retain possession, pass to space, shorter passing, work ball into box, close down more and push higher up.

Here's my player roles.

Wojeich- GK D

Debuchy- FB S

Mertesacker- CB D

Koscielny- CB D

Gibbs WB S

Arteta DLP D

Ramsey B2B

Sanchez inside forward attack on the left

Mesut ozil advanced playmaker support center

Chamberlain winger attack on the right

Giroud target man attack

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IIama can u pls help me with my tactics for my arsenal save. Cant seen to win a single game at all. Im using a 4231 formation with control and flexible. Using instructions of retain possession, pass to space, shorter passing, work ball into box, close down more and push higher up.

Here's my player roles.

Wojeich- GK D

Debuchy- FB S

Mertesacker- CB D

Koscielny- CB D

Gibbs WB S

Arteta DLP D

Ramsey B2B

Sanchez inside forward attack on the left

Mesut ozil advanced playmaker support center

Chamberlain winger attack on the right

Giroud target man attack

It might not be your roles/duties but more your TI's? You do realize that control already has you playing a high defensive line?Couple that with close down more and push higher up you have maxed out your defensive line and you're pressing all over the place.I would imagine you're getting carved open with ease down the flanks because your AMLR are not interested in defending and through the middle you have one player DLP staying back trying to defend against 2 possibly 3 opposition players

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Can anyone then suggest a set of team instructions for possession based arsenal side?

Didn't seem to be a lot wrong with your original possession based instructions! Maybe more creative freedom and roaming due to the lack of space caused by your high line/pressing. Try to get the players to find little pockets in tight spaces. You lack variation down the wings, perhaps alter the roles on one side. Is a winger on attack going to play possession stuff? Target Man? What kind of supply is he receiving? Is it in line with a possession game?

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Can anyone then suggest a set of team instructions for possession based arsenal side?

Control/balanced

retain poss/short passing/drop deeper/roaming/higher tempo.

The first two to control passing range,second to open up space to work behind the opp defence higher tempo to compensate for the first two.

Maybe wing support to deliver earlier crosses in you play with target man,support duty AML/R may track back a little more.

I would also suggest a midfield trio of DM(d),AP(s) CM(a)

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Looks good, your PI's look very well chosen too.

Too bad now with this set-up am going through a poor run of results

Main problem, my both IF in bad run of form lately, and my defense become very vulnerable lately. How to make my CB press and mark tightly without being dragged out of position?

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Centre Back's will get pulled out of position, by the very nature of them pressing and marking tightly. Need to decide which works best. What has happened with your form? What have you identified?

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Centre Back's will get pulled out of position, by the very nature of them pressing and marking tightly. Need to decide which works best. What has happened with your form? What have you identified?

My basic or rather imagination was (hope it is not too unrealistic), is I love my team to play this way:

Without possession, my team will press super high and super tight, leave no space for opponents to play out of defense with only option is kick the ball high upfill (Thus, higher defensive line, hassle opponents, get stuck in if referee is not Harsh) This lead to I choose aggressive Centre Backs (aggressive, tall, marking, heading, bravery etc) to have my team get back the ball and start having my possession from the back.

GK (distribute to defenders) with TI of "Play out of defense" ensure my team build attack from back. DLP (D) to help cycle my possession in the middle and link up def with mid, before passing the ball to my more attacking minded players. Once the ball in opponent half, I want "dangerous and aggressive" type of possession, thus "Control" strategy without "Retain possession", I want my attack to be creative and from multiple angles possible.

Anyway, when my team in poor run of form, these are the few points I noticed:

1) My IFs started to go crazy with stupid long shots (despite I put "Shoot Less Often")

2) My striker suddenly has no idea how to put the ball into the net especially one on one (no idea how to tweak this, only hope is just bad luck)

3) My DLP (D) not really dictating the play like how I wanted to and at times not manage to cover my back 4 properly (caught out of positions)

4) Being exposed on both flanks, my WB or FB either stay too narrow (opponents wingers take advantage) or too wide (not enough protection in case of middle through ball)

- If I put my IF to man mark or close down more, they tend to being dragged out of positions and not manage to turn into attack phase instantly

5) This is the worst! My CB starts doing stupid tackles (either they miss it and let striker goes one on one, or they tackle the ball to "assist" another player go clean thru my keeper)

Any ideas? or feedbacks? Sorry if my explanation is bad.

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Hey,

I'm starting with RB Leipzig and this is my inicial formation (home & away), it's possible to give me some opinions and suggestions?

GK Defend - distribute to defenders

RD (FB / Support)

CDr (CD / Block) - hold on and press more

CDl (CD / Cover) - hold on and press less

LD (Wing Back / Attack)

CMl (DLP / Defend) -

CMr (CM / Support) - Hold on

RM (Raumdeuter / Attack)

AM (AM / Attack)

LM (IF / Support)

ST (DLF / Support)

Team instructions:

Control

Fluid

Play out of defense

Pass into space

Push higher up

Get stuck in

Use tighter marking

Lower tempo

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Thanks.

Yes since i like to use a fluid system and give my attacking players the license to move and to what they think it's the best option (they're smart) i feel that having a poacher

sometimes break that fluidity i want.

Yes, seeing as it is a Limited Specialist - it means that the player often will just stick to certain actions, even if this breaks the rhythm of the team. Being a more fluid philosophy, as well as using fewer specialist roles improve the team aspect of the game.

Often that's the hard thing for people to get their heads round - fluid philosophy does not mean that's the only way to play slick passing football - it means you have less players tasked with sole creative responsibility, and a great impetus from everyone towards team goals and efforts.

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Llama, love the guide but just wanted to get your thoughts on the use of the limited full back and full back (defend) roles, as you've not really touched on it other than don't use in a lone wide man formation.

i generally prefer to us at least support for my full backs, but what about the circumstances where you're managing a lower league team and you have a FB who's solid defensively but isn't much good going forward. In my current save I'm looking to sign a RB who's my best option defensively by some distance but has passing 7, crossing 4-6 and dribbling 3-6.

If I have him on support he'll probably give the ball away when I'm attacking pretty regularly due to misplaced passes and poor crosses. But if I use the defend duty my RM will be more isolated and might not have an out ball, which may also result in a loss of possession. Perhaps it's a case of picking the lesser of two evils, but which option would you prefer in this sort of scenario?

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Personally I never use them, but that's not to say that they have no benefit. The wise man ahead of them needs to link up sufficiently, and have adequate out-balls available. Something that's easy in a direct system with 2 up front, or with a system full of deep passing options.

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Personally I never use them, but that's not to say that they have no benefit. The wise man ahead of them needs to link up sufficiently, and have adequate out-balls available. Something that's easy in a direct system with 2 up front, or with a system full of deep passing options.

:lol: very festive llama, does he "gift" goals?

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:lol: very festive llama, does he "gift" goals?

Haha, not in my experience he doesn't - but you never know what yuletide spirit he will bring. I was going to edit that, but actually I'm going to keep it as it is! :D

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What is your opinion about this:

-------------------------------------------------GK(D)----------------------------------------

-------------------------------CD(D)-----------CD(D)--------------CD(D)-------------------

-----------------WB(A)--------------BWM(S)-------------RG(S)------------WB(A)----------

---------------------IF(S)---------------------------------------------------IF(S)-------------

-------------------------------------------------DF(A)-----------------------------------------

OR

--------------------------------------------------GK(D)---------------------------------------

-------------------------------CD(D)------------CD(D)--------------CD(D)------------------

-----------------WM(A)---------------BWM(S)------------BBM(S)------------WM(A)-------

-------------------------------DLF(S)------------AF(A)-------------DLF(S)------------------

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----------Pa-----------

IF s -----------------IF s

-------APa---BBM s

-----------BWM d------

WB a--CB d--CB d---WB a

-------------SK a

with possestion style short passing look for overlap, retain ball, low tempo, close down alot

You'll get skinned in cm.I would make the dm a holder, especially with full backs attacking.

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----------Pa-----------

IF s -----------------IF s

-------APa---BBM s

-----------BWM d------

WB a--CB d--CB d---WB a

-------------SK a

with possestion style short passing look for overlap, retain ball, low tempo, close down alot

You'll get skinned in cm.I would make the dm a holder, especially with full backs attacking.

Agree with the holding midfielder advice there. He'll leave position, and in a 4-3-3 like that you need the man at the base of the triangle to hold position reliable, and recycle the ball.

Worse though is your front 3. You have 2 blokes passing to a single bloke trying to score. A lone Poacher is the worst possible choice of lone role, he'll contribute nothing to build up, his movement won't help much either. An Advanced Forward will go roaming for space and linking up a lot more, but still remain high most of the time. The space between your MC's and STC is large, and needs to be covered somehow. You don't need the "look for overlap" instruction - your roles and duty will make this happen anyway. It might be wiser to get your right sided IF to be an attack duty, take the goalscoring burden off your forward who can link play as well as score goals. You can then get your WB on the right to be a support duty, and you'll get different kinds of opportunities created (maybe a through-ball down the flank, or a quick pass into space in the area).

What is your opinion about this:

-------------------------------------------------GK(D)----------------------------------------

-------------------------------CD(D)-----------CD(D)--------------CD(D)-------------------

-----------------WB(A)--------------BWM(S)-------------RG(S)------------WB(A)----------

---------------------IF(S)---------------------------------------------------IF(S)-------------

-------------------------------------------------DF(A)-----------------------------------------

OR

--------------------------------------------------GK(D)---------------------------------------

-------------------------------CD(D)------------CD(D)--------------CD(D)------------------

-----------------WM(A)---------------BWM(S)------------BBM(S)------------WM(A)-------

-------------------------------DLF(S)------------AF(A)-------------DLF(S)------------------

See the above person's advice. You have nobody from midfield pushing to help your lone striker, who is pushed up, on an attack duty (granted, a better choice of attack duty in this instance, but still, it has it's drawbacks). Your DM's are actually a good choice with both as support duties, because with 3 centre backs, you have the extra defensive cover, and can afford the freedom and creativity a Regista brings, and afford the positional indiscipline of a BWM. I would suggest watching games carefully - if you feel you lack cover in this area, and the opposition are getting too much space to play, then reconsider a change of role (to DM for BWM, and DLP for REG) or a change of duty (BWM(S) to (D)). You really need to get an IF on an attack duty to get close to your forward, the wing back behind on a support duty is a logical change to balance the team (although not essential if the balance looks ok).

As for your 3-4-3 - it is going to cost you goals. Your midfield is easily bypassed. In this instance 2 support duties is not so great, as they are higher up and naturally concede more space behind them. Although even a DLP would balance this more than a BBM. In front of a 3-man defence a DLP is a perfect player to have, as the extra defender there causes a great responsibility on creativity and distribution on the men in front. So a DLP(D) with a BWM(S) or BBM(S) (or even a RP(S)) would be great ideas. The RP(S) would also go reasonably well if you want a BWM on a Defend duty.

Of course this all depends on what actually suits your team etc.

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Yes, seeing as it is a Limited Specialist - it means that the player often will just stick to certain actions, even if this breaks the rhythm of the team. Being a more fluid philosophy, as well as using fewer specialist roles improve the team aspect of the game.

Often that's the hard thing for people to get their heads round - fluid philosophy does not mean that's the only way to play slick passing football - it means you have less players tasked with sole creative responsibility, and a great impetus from everyone towards team goals and efforts.

Hi again llama.

I tried to use the other striker as a CF but i didnt like it because of 2 things:

-Since i use many people in the centre with a 4-3-1-2, i found that even with and attack duty, he'd sometimes be in the same space of other midfield players.

- I need space in the centre for my midfield to work and changing the role to an CF, even on attack duty, removed that space because he doesn't always play in the shoulder of the defenders. I need somone to pin the opp defense back and keep the constantly busy. I found i can't get it with a CF.

So i lose movement but at least i keep more space for my midfield to work.

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Hello,

I started with RB Leipzig and win the 2.Bundesliga. Now in 1.Bundesliga I'm having to much dificult to win or drawn any game.

1 Win (against Bayer, don't know how...)

1 Draw

6 Loss

I didn't change my tactic from 2nd to 1st, but my middlefield is new.

In 2nd was Kimmich (have to sell it to Sttugard :(), Demme and Kaiser, and now is Ajer, Delaney and Oddegard . It's more young... that should be the problem?

I left my tactic so you can suggest any improvement. It's a 4-1-2-2-1.

GK: GK Defend

RD: WB Support

CD: CD Block (With hold position and press more)

CD: CD Cover (With hold position and press less)

LD: WB Attack

DM: Regista Support

CMr: CM Attack

CMl: CM Defend

RM: Winger Attack

LM: IF Attack

ST: Defensive Foward Support

Team instructions:

Control

Fluid

Pass in to space

Work ball into box

Exploit Flanks

Look for overlap

Play wider

Push higher up

Prevent short GK distribution

Lower Tempo

My base team is:

GK: Nyland

RD: Leandro Martin (from Boca)

CD: Strandberg / Bianchetti / Felipe (from Wolfsburg)

LD: Jung

DM: Ajer

CMr: Oddegard

CMl: Delaney

RM: Poulsen

LM: Rebic

ST: Rory Donnelly

I’m thinking of taking out Play Wider and add Short pass, so I can have the players more close to each other to defend and to prevent to kick the ball to the front.

Thanks.

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Your roles and duties look fine. I think you are simply being too adventurous. You are likely to be a relegation candidate having just been promoted - so I think it is important to consider that fact you cannot play the same way against better sides. You see to press high, play in a very pro-active manner. I think perhaps you need to drop off and compact more, trying to play a quicker tempo on the break. What kind of goals are you conceding? What are your problems in general play?

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First thanks for the comment.

I disable Play Wider and now the team it compacting more. This result in 2 wins (one for the cup against a team from 2nd) and 1 draw, the team is playing better.

The goals that I take are more from crossing and a men attacking the first post. Not taking to much goals from pass in the back of the Defense.

My players were (with play wider ON) too far from each other, I think that this problem is resolved.

So yout think that I have to tell turn off Push Higher and on Higher tempo? I wan't to play a calm game when the players think of what they are going to do.

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If what you have done works, then don't take advice just for the sake of it - it's just ideas for you to try. If you are mainly suffering from crosses, then dropping off may not help matters. If your team is playing better as it is - then keep doing what you are doing. :)

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llama3, currently using this at the moment with OGC Nice:

GK (D)

Wingback (S) --- Central Defender (D) ----- Central Defender (D) --- Wingback (S)

Defensive Midfielder (D) --- Deep-Lying Playmaker (S)

Central Midfielder (A)

Raumdeuter (A) ------------------------------------------------- Winger (A)

False 9 (S)

Having the following problems:

1) Struggling to get the best out of my Key Player; who's an AMC with good dribbling and pace, almost like a central winger. Currently playing him as a CM (A) with Dribble More and More Risky Passes.

2) My AML is a fantastic winger, however doesn't offer much else; meaning he is fairly limited to a Winger role.

3) My strikes are both on the lighter side, however a False 9 role doesn't get the best out of them as they are more an Advanced Forwards. However as lone strikers I feel they need to drop in to create space and provide link-up play.

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The Advanced Forward can still offer link up and movement. Might be worth giving a try. You mention your key player has good dribbling and pace - perhaps remove his risky passes instruction, could allow him to drive at the defence more, opening up space for your Raumdeuter.

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The Advanced Forward can still offer link up and movement. Might be worth giving a try. You mention your key player has good dribbling and pace - perhaps remove his risky passes instruction, could allow him to drive at the defence more, opening up space for your Raumdeuter.

Won't removing his risky passing instruction limit the his distribution?

Does the system as whole have glaring problems? maybe a bit one-dimensional?

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Won't removing his risky passing instruction limit the his distribution?

Does the system as whole have glaring problems? maybe a bit one-dimensional?

No, he'll have a "default" level still, but it will encourage him to be more likely to dribble instead of pass. Which is a good use of him as a "Central Winger". The system looks ok really, no major holes there. What problems you finding in game?

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No, he'll have a "default" level still, but it will encourage him to be more likely to dribble instead of pass. Which is a good use of him as a "Central Winger". The system looks ok really, no major holes there. What problems you finding in game?

To be honest none in particular, using it through my pre-season and my results have been largely underwhelming despite me delivering some pretty demanding team-talks. I also think I'm wasting my Fullbacks, due to me having two DMCS that I should try and get them up the pitch more, however my AML and AMR can only really play those particular roles (Winger & Raumdeuter); so I can't warrant Attack duties for either of them. As a result I feel it makes my attack pretty one-dimensional as their isn't much movement between the lines? Hence why I've gone for a False 9 to try and open at at least some space.

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You could get your right sided wing back forward more. As the Raumdeuter moves inside, there will be a lot of space still to exploit down that flank. You have adequate cover with the DM(D) on the same side.

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Hi Llama

whats your opinion on the following 4 2 3 1 wide

concede most of my goals from crosses, and although dominate possesion (50-60 %) in some games never really create that many good chances --- use flexible and control

keeper defend

full back support central defender defend central defender defend full back attack

DLP Support central midfield defend

winger attack advanced playmaker support winger support

Poacher

use shorter passing, work ball into box, as instructions, play out of defence

any advice would be grateful

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It's not bad, but if you brought the wide men back into MR & ML positions, it would increase defensive solidity, and they would be far more willing to track back down the flanks. Which should help prevent conceding from so many crosses. A lone poacher is not normally a good idea, he won't link up well enough with those behind. An AF can play in a similar manner when provided with the right chances, but can still link up play and move into channels.

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By moving them back, would that limit them attacking wise ??? Also would it be better to

Move the advanced playmaker to a attack duty or leave on support if I move them back ?? What about tactical instructions is there anything else I need to add or remove

Thanks in advance

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