mhaffy Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Have been trying, unsuccessfully, to find out how you are assessed by the board. I am being asked to adhere to possession football and attacking football. Possession football: What possession % are you expected to achieve and over how many, presumably competitive games, is this based? Presumably a rolling %? Attacking football: Is this assessed on goals scored, shots on target, shots taken etc ? It would be great if the criteria used were clearly set out somewhere for these, and the other potential expectations that the board expect you to adhere to. Would appreciate feedback and links to any official descriptions etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vernum Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 During fm14 beta I played a whole seasons with possession football as expectation with most of my games having between 50-70% possession, using control as my main tactic but the board confidence on this point never moved away from 50%. I m starting to think that those expectation are bugged. Did you actually manage to move the confidence score on the possession expectation? As for attacking football I think the number of goal scored shots on target etc.. probably don't matter. In fm13 I was playing with a low budget team that was subpar on those points yet I managed to get a high confidence rating on that by just using the attacking tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhaffy Posted November 5, 2013 Author Share Posted November 5, 2013 Thanks for response. I am currently approaching end of pre season in my first long term save and no movement so far on possession/Attacking football despite 60% possession and plenty og goals/shots. I am assuming that this is because friendlies do not count and/or insufficient competitive played so far. Somewhat worried that you wonder if there is a bug based upon your experiences. It would be good if SI could provided some details explaining how you are assessed against each of the possible board expectation criteria you can be asked to adhere to as there seems to be no "hover over" tool tip guidance and nothing in the online manual. Surprised that you expected to agree to something without being given some form of indication on how your performance will be measured/assessed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayahr Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 This kind of board expectations was bugged in the beta but should work better now. My guess would be that posession is evaluated on the percentages indeed. I would guess that anything above 50% should be alright. Attacking football was iirc mainly judged by the number of goals scored, not by tactical settings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vernum Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Not sure how attacking expectation work in fm14 as I havent played a team requiring it but in fm13 as I said my team was subpar in goals/shots etc.. it was anything but an attacking team except for the tactic that I was using and yet I was getting full confidence score for that. As for possession being fixed after beta, I cannot confirm or deny that yet, but I should be able to finish another season with a team using that expectation in about a week to see if I can move that confidence bar away from 50%. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneronaldo Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Attacking Football is simples, they want goals by your players, and lots of it, doesn't matter how you score them as long you do. Possession football on the other hand is pretty tricky, I mean unless you are Barcelona/Real Madrid I hardly think you can dominate possession every match? Personally I would try and talk to the board and remove the Possession football philosophy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vernum Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 The problem is does it even works? Anyone has poor possession and manage to move the confidence lower than 50% on that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Julius Flusfeder Posted November 5, 2013 SI Staff Share Posted November 5, 2013 Hey, if you feel that there's a bug regarding this, it would be great if you could post a thread in this forum with a save game (FTP Details) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vernum Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 I already did although it was mixed with another bug during beta. I had not received an answer to the report regarding this though. Edit: Actually I think the report was left unanswered for both bugs until the end of beta when the beta bug forum closed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Julius Flusfeder Posted November 5, 2013 SI Staff Share Posted November 5, 2013 Apologies for that. If you could possibly make a new thread, so we can have a look at the issue, that would be great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vernum Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Unfortunately I don't have the beta save anymore but I ll make another report at the end of my new game season if the confidence meter hasn't moved at all again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Julius Flusfeder Posted November 5, 2013 SI Staff Share Posted November 5, 2013 How far through are you? If it's 20+ games then that's probably enough. Assuming you've had more than 50/55% possession basically every game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluemagic21 Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 I will upload mine, I'm having the same problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhaffy Posted November 5, 2013 Author Share Posted November 5, 2013 How far through are you? If it's 20+ games then that's probably enough. Assuming you've had more than 50/55% possession basically every game. Any chance of some official feedback from SI as to what citeria are used to judge/measure your performance for each of the possible board expectations. Your response above seems to imply that possession football is assessed over a 20 game period (rolling, presumably? Do friendlies count?) and that 50-55% should be ok. Would 50-55% average possession over a twenty game period be required to maintain the board assessing you at the initial 50% start point? Would 60% move you up to 60% achievement? Some concrete feedback would be really appreciated, irrespective of whether there is a bug, on how you are assessed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Julius Flusfeder Posted November 5, 2013 SI Staff Share Posted November 5, 2013 I don't really know how it's determined, but there ought to be a visible effect change after 15/20 competitive games if you're consistently getting above 50% possession, if you're always completely dominating games with 60%+ I'd imagine the board confidence would increase quicker. But I seriously doubt it's a case of 60% possession=60% confidence, because 75% possession in a cup match against lower league opposition is not going to raise the confidence to 75%. Hope that gives a better idea That would be great Bluemagic, could you post it in the forum I linked in post #8? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vernum Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 I have about 10 games so far into the season, should reach about 20 at the weekend but I will spend much more time playing during the weekend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhaffy Posted November 5, 2013 Author Share Posted November 5, 2013 I don't really know how it's determined, but there ought to be a visible effect change after 15/20 competitive games if you're consistently getting above 50% possession, if you're always completely dominating games with 60%+ I'd imagine the board confidence would increase quicker. But I seriously doubt it's a case of 60% possession=60% confidence, because 75% possession in a cup match against lower league opposition is not going to raise the confidence to 75%. Hope that gives a better ideaStill none the wiser really. Find it very surprising, and disappointing, that there is no guidance/information anywhere on this in manual or tooltips given that when you take on a managerial job your are asked to accept, or propose changes to, various expectations that the board have. Hopefully some definitive guidance will eventually surface on the forums. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhaffy Posted November 5, 2013 Author Share Posted November 5, 2013 Five competitive matches played and board pleased with attacking football and showing as 100%. Do not believe its down to goals scored, must also take shots into account although not sure whether shots on target treated more favourably than shots off target......oh for some definitive guidance.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vernum Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Where you using attacking tactic like I said before? I think only the use of that tactic matters for that attacking expectation not the stats when you use it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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