DeathJester Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 I've tried to re-create the tactic commonly employed by El Loco Marcelo Bielsa with his Chile team . See the following article for more details: http://eplindex.com/37849/marcelo-bielsas-tactical-influence-mauricio-pochettino-tactics.html Bielsa is seen as a tactical pioneer and has influenced the likes of Guardiola, Simeone and Pocchettino with his tactical philosophy. In my efforts to re-create the tactic used by his Chile side i have decided to line up as follows: gk: sweeper keeper lcb central defender - defend cb central defender - cover rcb central defender - defend LCM box to box midfielder - support CM Deep lying playmaker - defend RCM box to box midfielder - support AMC - Attacking midfielder - Attack LST - Inside Forward - Attack STC - Complete Forward - Attack RST - Winger - Support I have kept all player settings on default except i made the following changes: CB: Marking changed from man to zonal. The 2 outer cb's are man marking (normally assigned to marking the opposition strikers) Winger I changed to hug touchline Put all long shots to rarely My team Instructions are as follows: Rigid, Attacking, Passing style shorter, More Disciplined, Press More, Tackling more aggressive, Zonal Marking, Drill Crosses, roaming normal Defensive line normal (highest),width wide (two clicks from full), tempo quick (lowest quick setting), time wasting rarely, focus passing mixed, counter attack no, play offside no. Can anyone offer any help or tips to make this tactic work without changing the formation itself? Thanks in advance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathJester Posted September 23, 2013 Author Share Posted September 23, 2013 Here is an excellent article that explains the system I am trying to recreate : http://eplindex.com/37849/marcelo-bielsas-tactical-influence-mauricio-pochettino-tactics.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deserter Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 The thing is that you should have some wide cover too. Bielsa likes to use full backs that charge in into midfield areas and even into the box occasionally. He's not that loco that he doesn't defend the wide areas at all. Of course football manager is a bit limited for what you want to do, so you probably shouldn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeeKay Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Have you consider using Ball Winning Midfielders instead of Box to Box midfielders? This will result in more balls being won higher up the pitch and be more Bielsa. Also Stoppers insted of Defend roles for the outer CD's for similar reasons and to protect the flanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathJester Posted September 23, 2013 Author Share Posted September 23, 2013 When looking at his chile side when playing against a front two, Bielsa would play a back three, two marking the strikers and a spare man at the back. The common thinking is that he used full backs or wing backs that bombed forward. This isn't strictly true, what he used was almost like a cross between a wing back, a box to box midfielder and a central midfielder. They were positioned slightly wider than a standard CM But not as wide as a Wide midfielder / full back. In defensive mode they would drop back just infront but wide of the three centre backs, almost in full back positions. In fact when describing this role, they are rarely called fullbacks or wingbacks, but referred to as "shuttling midfielders". This is why i used CM's but with a very wide setup to true emulate this. Heres hoping in fm14 theres a option for the "Shuttling Midfielder" lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathJester Posted September 23, 2013 Author Share Posted September 23, 2013 So I've made quite a few changes after doing some more research. here is a list of changes I've made: STR changed to defensive forward to press high up the pitch LST moved back to AML, role changed to Defensive winger, cuts inside, took off hold up ball to press high up the pitch RST moved back to AMR, role changed to defensive winger, hugs touchline, took off hold up ball to press high up the pitch. LCB and RCB changed to ball playing defenders, stoppers team changed to default passing, changed from rigid to fluid defense now set to first click of push up counter attack now set to yes What I've found is that i cover the flanks adequately, despite the narrow formation. Also the team plays some wonderful attacking football at times. Any further advice or comments guys? Would love to get the input from Cleon, WWFan et al on this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathJester Posted September 24, 2013 Author Share Posted September 24, 2013 At times its as if the opposition dont know how to deal with the multiple threats coming at it, the winger staying wide, the other winger cutting inside, the forward moving into channels, the amc supporting the striker and the two box to box midfielders running in late from deep. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayr27 Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Quite a fan of Bielsa myself and even had the pleasure of watching his Athletic team in person. I do have to question eplindex's interpretation of the tactic though as every Bielsa side I've seen has used wingbacks. I think this article actually sets out the 3-3-1-3 better: http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/06/08/marcelo-bielsa-chile-world-cup-2010-tactics/ (if you look at the diagram, Vidal and Millar are WBs in defence and then push in to midfield in attack). When trying to create this myself I've used: GK CB Lib CB WBa DMd WBa IFa APs IFa TMa Admittedly this is based on his Bilbao model where the wide forwards tucked in while in possession with the wing backs pushing forward but hugging the touchline to provide the width. With Chile the wingers tended to stay wide while the wing-backs 'underlapped' and made forward runs inside them making them had to track. That effect could easily be achieved by changing the IFs to Ws and instructing the WBs to cut inside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathJester Posted September 25, 2013 Author Share Posted September 25, 2013 Since I changed the instructions as detailed above, I've won ten games on the bounce and have scored at least three goals s game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abirdc Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Team Instructions: Fluid Attacking Passing style default Creative freedom normal Press More Tackling more aggressive Man Marking Crosses depend on your front player's aerial ability More roaming Player instructions: GK: Sweeper Keeper- defend LCB: Central Defender - stopper (Specific marking the opponent RS) CB: Central Defender - cover (Loose Zonal marking) RCB: Central Defender - stopper (Specific marking the opponent LS) However, I think you should decrease the closing down setting of all the center backs a little. ML: Defensive Winger - support DM: Deep Lying Playmaker - defend MR: Defensive Winger - support Wingbacks don't really act as wingbacks on FM sadly, they still act as fullbacks. To get an actual player to act like a wingback, you have to use the defensive wingers. AMC - Attacking midfielder - Attack LST - Inside Forward - Attack STC - Defensive Forward - Support (Zonal Marking) RST - Inside Forward - Attack You may also try to use winger in wide forward positions. In that case, you can change the wide play of defensive wingers to 'Cut Inside'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abirdc Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 If opponent use one striker, then you should send one of your center defenders to defensive midfield position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeesh Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Shouldnt the strategy be very fluid? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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