dazenners Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Never noticed such a decline in a player before. Was always consistently class at the start of my game and then saw this summer that he was transfer listed and thought I might be able to pick up a bargain as he's still only 27. Turns out he's rated 1.5 stars and would only be a good Championship player. Uploaded with ImageShack.us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixmkz Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 He properly got his legs broken several times. I remember in FM12 Chelsea bought Jovetic (sp) and had him on like 130k a week wages. He broke his leg twice within 3 years and had about 1 star potential left when he was transfer listed at year 3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
P O\'D Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 yup, check his injury history. Happened me with Aguero on FM11, signed him for big money and he spent the best part of 2 years out constantly. What is strange there is he's still valued at £22m though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristof1982 Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 He looks like the average Welsh player now! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marko12 Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 holy molly, wow, and hes worth 22m lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PalmerEldritch Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 In my game Gareth Bale broke his legs 3 times and was out for 35 months in 3,5 years. During this times he played o total of 2 games. His stats are abysmal but he still has 100k wages Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca72 Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Interesting, although if his injury record was so bad, I find it strange he has maintained 15 for pace. Also I wouldn't have expected his mentals to have dropped so much, sign him and see if he can be rescued... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotMyCat Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Strange one. I'd like to see a screenshot of his injury history considering despite his massive decline he's largely kept his pace and value. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterOfSuspense Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Probably a combination of injuries and playing a lot of football at a young age BTW - does he still do that lame goal celebration? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padders Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Has the OP got a screenshot of his career history? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallclone Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 In 4 years, he's got just 10 wales caps. I'm guessing injury or Ebola Virus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranquelme Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Reminds me of the past two FM's when Balotelli would be at a Serie B mid table side at the age of 26. He went 8 years with a goal in one of my saves until I called him up for the National side out of pity for the World Cup and scored 4 goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
begilsson Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 The not so incredible Hulk, 2016: Hasn't played a game in 4 years, despite being injury free since November 2012. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallclone Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Hasn't played a game in 4 years, despite being injury free since November 2012. That's just crazy. Why would Zenit still have him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajj 7 Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Both these screenshots surely have to be bugs? I can understand players losing some physical stats from an injury but not mental stats. And how is their value still so high? Something odd going on here for Hulk to have not played any games for 4 years and to deterioate like that, same with Bale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranquelme Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 The not so incredible Hulk, 2016: Hasn't played a game in 4 years, despite being injury free since November 2012. What on earth.. He may not be overly liked at Zenit IRL but that is shocking Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
begilsson Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 At least he's transfer listed now. But i loaded up a save from 2015 and not only is he not transfer listed, he's actually considered an important first team player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jujigatame Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Reminds me of the past two FM's when Balotelli would be at a Serie B mid table side at the age of 26. He went 8 years with a goal in one of my saves until I called him up for the National side out of pity for the World Cup and scored 4 goals. Balotelli is generally awful in FM. His professionalism and mental attributes are terrible and it just makes him a total liability on the field. I played a Man City career in FM12 and gave him like 3 apps in my first season and then sold him at a cut-rate price to Udinese. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewart91 Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Both these screenshots surely have to be bugs?I can understand players losing some physical stats from an injury but not mental stats. And how is their value still so high? Something odd going on here for Hulk to have not played any games for 4 years and to deterioate like that, same with Bale. I don't get why the mental stats have deteriorated, anyone? Is the player value linked to their rep and the club rep? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajj 7 Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 I don't get why the mental stats have deteriorated, anyone? Is the player value linked to their rep and the club rep? I'm still going with bug, even with a career threatening injury isn't going to affect flair. Hulk is crazy, 4 years of no games. Needs to go in the bugs forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jujigatame Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 If he hasn't played for 4 years, is it possible that he came into some conflict with the manager and has been perma-benched? It could explain the lack of appearances and deterioration in stats, although it does seem quite unrealistic that they wouldn't sell him if that were the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWWROCKS Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 I'm still going with bug, even with a career threatening injury isn't going to affect flair.Hulk is crazy, 4 years of no games. Needs to go in the bugs forum. Only thing I can think is that having not played for 4 years, confidence is damaged. Therefore he doesn't have the composure cause he isn't confident to collect himself and place it. Doesn't have the concentration cause he's too busy worrying about what to do, can't make a decision etc. Your right seems like a bug, just a posisble explanation for deteriation of mental attributes ....just think Fernando Torres Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
begilsson Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 What about the technical attributes? Even without games he's still playing football at a top level every day in training. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWWROCKS Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 is he? for all we know he could be missing training sessions. Maybe the problem is he isn't training hard. From everything I know about Hulk he hasnt got the greatest work ethic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
webeto Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Look at what happened to Adriano in real life? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
begilsson Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 I agree, but that shouldn't effect the technical abilities to such a degree Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiseee Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Look at what happened to Adriano in real life? How is that a question?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spart Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Long-term injuries can affect players mentally in real making them more apprehensive, hesitant or just less sharp. Maybe in this save Bale just didn't cope well with being out of the game for so long? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley21 Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Long-term injuries can affect players mentally in real making them more apprehensive, hesitant or just less sharp.Maybe in this save Bale just didn't cope well with being out of the game for so long? I may be wrong, but i don't think the game is that sophisticated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spart Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 I may be wrong, but i don't think the game is that sophisticated. I'm pretty sure players can take hits on their mental stats based on the severity of their injury and their mentality in-game. Don't think it's new for this year's game either. I've definitely had players ruined by terrible injuries beyond just physical issues in past games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley21 Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 I'm pretty sure players can take hits on their mental stats based on the severity of their injury and their mentality in-game. Don't think it's new for this year's game either.I've definitely had players ruined by terrible injuries beyond just physical issues in past games. Yes, they can lose mental attributes but i don't think that in the match engine they duck out of challenges, stop chasing down loose balls or generally play more nervously like players in real life. I guess maybe a loss of bravery/work rate while injured could cause some of these things to happen to some degree but i don't think these things are actually coded into the game, they happen more by accident, albeit a desirable accident! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
treble_yell_:-) Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 I love it when people try to explain away quirks in the game with some sophisticated real life scenario or imaginary "what if's" that aren't even simulated in the game. Do you guys not play FM ? The AI isn't that detailed. The Bale one is likely injury, the Hulk one the AI's horrendous squad management. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersplash Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 I love it when people try to explain away quirks in the game with some sophisticated real life scenario or imaginary "what if's" that aren't even simulated in the game.Do you guys not play FM ? The AI isn't that detailed. The Bale one is likely injury, the Hulk one the AI's horrendous squad management. Kind of counter-arguing with yourself there mate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spart Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Yes, they can lose mental attributes but i don't think that in the match engine they duck out of challenges, stop chasing down loose balls or generally play more nervously like players in real life.I guess maybe a loss of bravery/work rate while injured could cause some of these things to happen to some degree but i don't think these things are actually coded into the game, they happen more by accident, albeit a desirable accident! ...but that's exactly what mental attributes cover, even if the animations might not be there to show a player literally duck out of the challenge. Instead they might just not go for it in the first place or fail to anticipate a situation, which is what I'm talking about. I love it when people try to explain away quirks in the game with some sophisticated real life scenario or imaginary "what if's" that aren't even simulated in the game.Do you guys not play FM ? The AI isn't that detailed. The Bale one is likely injury, the Hulk one the AI's horrendous squad management. The game has limits and often needs a bit of interpretation to enjoy to the full like any good book, game or film. If my player gets a horrific injury and his mental stats suffer as a result, am I to assume my physio just forgot to carry the one? Of course not. In real life players aren't judged on attribute numbers but due to the limitations of a computer game that is the language we use to understand and play FM. If the game is trying to simulate a player being mentally affected by a knock how else should we interpret the situation? No wonder people struggle to make the best out of FM and enjoy the game... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HHUK Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 If I saw him like that I'd loan him with a view to buying. With regular first team football players stats can raise quite quickly especially with his potential. He's still not at his peak age yet (another 4 years or so) so you'll be able to raise his stats back up with enough patience. Might not get as good as he was in that time but you'd most likely get a decent Premiership player out of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da_Funk Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 I hope OP will post injury history. One thing is obviously wrong and that is value, that's absolutely unacceptable, it's clear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfgrigg Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 The value will be mostly due to his massive wages. Reputation might play a small role as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters76 Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Both these screenshots surely have to be bugs?I can understand players losing some physical stats from an injury but not mental stats. And how is their value still so high? Something odd going on here for Hulk to have not played any games for 4 years and to deterioate like that, same with Bale. Why not, don't you think a player can "give up" if constantly injured? Agree on the value part though, guess his reputation keeps it up. But still... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koki Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 To all those who say that injuries shouldn't affect mental stats: I'm just back in training from a cruciate ligament rupture and everything has changed. I still feel a little shaky on my legs, and the way I approach things on the pitch both consciously and unconsciously has changed a lot. To translate it into FM attributes, my determination surely has dropped, my aggression and braveness went down, even my flair has dropped since I know my knee won't like certain movements and I try to avoid them... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixmkz Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I can attest that after watching 20 mins of videos on youtube of footballer getting their ankles snapped, I play like a big coward during my evening pickup games Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalky1989 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 To all those who say that injuries shouldn't affect mental stats: I'm just back in training from a cruciate ligament rupture and everything has changed. I still feel a little shaky on my legs, and the way I approach things on the pitch both consciously and unconsciously has changed a lot. To translate it into FM attributes, my determination surely has dropped, my aggression and braveness went down, even my flair has dropped since I know my knee won't like certain movements and I try to avoid them... ^This I for most of the past 2 years have been suffering from anterior knee pain due to damage to my patella ligament, after being hurt playing rugby. It's about healed now, but even so, I'm more hesitant to go into a tackle. I won't go all out in a game because I'm not sure if my knee will last the match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PalmerEldritch Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Some pics of Bale's stats and injury history in my recent game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vernum Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Doesnt look like because of injury since his last was in 2012, more like they forgot they had a guy named bale on the bench for 4 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonBlade Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 My Bale has just had his leg broken. Maybe it's coded so his legs are made of breadsticks :| Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansimms1985 Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 My Bale has just had his leg broken.Maybe it's coded so his legs are made of breadsticks :| lol, that cracked me up. With this coding, anything is possible! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Th0mazz0 Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Some pics of Bale's stats and injury history in my recent game. Good God, after getting used to the logo pack, my eyes start to bleed when seeing these screenshots Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vernum Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Anyone found other good players getting benched for years like hulk and bale even without injuries? This looks like a silly bug. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruh Roh Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 I'd imagine it's definitely tied in with this bug. AI squad management still has a lot of room to improve, especially when it comes to big clubs' reserves. Gareth Bale falling out of favor at Spurs is actually perfectly reasonable, but there would be a massive market for his services and he would want to leave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vernum Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 It seems that the issue with the young players can be fixed by raising their reputation but isn't the rep of players like bale and hulk already high ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazenners Posted November 18, 2012 Author Share Posted November 18, 2012 Apologies for the late reply, here's the screenshots from his injury history and his past stats. I didn't realise how few games he had played in the last 3 years when I looked at his stats. I think, THINK, this may have had an issue with his stats... Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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