djvandyke Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 He was our hero too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bergkamp Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 RAMSEY DID WELL I am choking at this.Was poor as usual. Back two and the keeper did well, Cazorla did well. Ramsey was pathetic. Tbf Cazorla wasn't very good today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveUK Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Cazorla had to keep coming deep to much, we need a ball winner in there to boss the midfielder so cazorla can stay up and arteta can be the balance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Agreed he wasn't very good. He was fine though. Only attacking player that tried to make things happen today. Was not helped by the rest of the team who couldn't even control a football. Santi Cazorla is miles too good for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djvandyke Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Tbf Cazorla wasn't very good today. Any manager in the country could knock up a game plan on how to stop Arsenal in minutes. Close the space for Carzola to work and prevent Arteta receiving the ball deep and we are f*cked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djvandyke Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 You end up with Mertersaker becoming our playmaker! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djvandyke Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 "Arsenal's Arsène Wenger suffers fan revolt in Aston Villa quagmire" http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/nov/24/aston-villa-arsenal-premier-league Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 RAMSEY DID WELL I am choking at this.Was poor as usual. Back two and the keeper did well, Cazorla did well. Ramsey was pathetic. If ramsey played like Cazorla did you would be furious. You aren't even watching him play anymore you just assume he is playing badly. Pathetic attitude towards players, fans who constantly berate their own players at the ground are horrific at least support them truly awful. **** this wenger has to go drama. At least be rational with suggesting it rather than full of angst, aggression and hyperbolic statements. Quite glad the season has 25 games to go. Plenty of time to catch anyone and finish anywhere. We have played poorly the solution is buy well in January and then re-evaluate at the end of the season. Anyway he'll be gone at the end of the next season I expect Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 There are lots of issues with the squad and the management of the club. I hate how divided our fans are, I hate how people rarely seem to see the middle ground and I really hate people being unable to communicate in a normal fashion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveUK Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Could not agree more, well said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 There has to be an expectation that the current squad should be at a certain point and they are not...........................no one expects a title winning team but right now with the current squad the team are under-achieveing and the board can not be blamed for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnhughthom Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 There has to be an expectation that the current squad should be at a certain point and they are not...........................no one expects a title winning team but right now with the current squad the team are under-achieveing and the board can not be blamed for that. If you don't expect a title challenge, what do you expect? Through in Europe, annual kids Carling Cup run, not too far off a Champion's League spot for next year. Sounds like a decent place for a team who aren't expected to challenge for the title to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert the Spud Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I acatually think, that we probably will blag it, only because the other teams going for fourth arn't ruthless enough. We're there for the taking, but they're not punishing us I would bet my life savings on Arsenal being 4th in May. No-one else is going to take it, especially not us. That's probably why Arsene is so complacent; he knows no matter he f**ks up, Tottenham will f**k up that little bit more, Everton will not last a season, and Liverpool aren't a problem...yet. Hopefully at some point the 4th CL spot will be taken away and there'll only be three spots, one of which is a qualifier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry_14 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 hate how this thread is only busy when we mess up. Theres hardly any euphoric posting when we smash the scum or qualify for the next stage of the champions league. Draw with villa away and suddenly everyones back out slagging wenger off. Im sure a lot of people on here take more pleasure on us not performing then they do us actually getting good results Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Meh. Eventually one team will take it and build on it. The board is complacent rather than wenger. He is either incompetent or blighted depending on your position. The thing is we had a fair few good chances to win it was nothing like the disaster portrayed. Very disappointing though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 If ramsey played like Cazorla did you would be furious. You aren't even watching him play anymore you just assume he is playing badly. Pathetic attitude towards players, fans who constantly berate their own players at the ground are horrific at least support them truly awful. **** this wenger has to go drama. At least be rational with suggesting it rather than full of angst, aggression and hyperbolic statements. Quite glad the season has 25 games to go. Plenty of time to catch anyone and finish anywhere. We have played poorly the solution is buy well in January and then re-evaluate at the end of the season. Anyway he'll be gone at the end of the next season I expect Haha nice try. I watched the game. Ramsey was poor. It's not his fault like, he's just not good enough. Blame the manager. And be rational? I am very rational about why I want Wenger gone. If anything it's people like you who are not rational. Blindly sticking up for the manager and belittling abyone that dares not share your opinion is definitely the act of a rational man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy13 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 hate how this thread is only busy when we mess up. Theres hardly any euphoric posting when we smash the scum or qualify for the next stage of the champions league. Draw with villa away and suddenly everyones back out slagging wenger off. Im sure a lot of people on here take more pleasure on us not performing then they do us actually getting good results Smash the scum who were down to 10 men? Qualify for the next part of the CL - a competition we have ZERO chance of winning? Come off it, even Southampton put 4 past Villa. This I stole from an online blog but it hits the nail on the head.... I saw the result. A draw, regardless of the conditions or how hard we fought was not good enough. We’re floundering. The away fans are digging out the manager. The manager is digging out the away fans. The club have £70m in the bank. The club are sorting out our striker shortage with a short term loan deal for an ageing legend for the second year running. The club have just secured £55m a year in additional revenue. We’re out of the running for the league. We’ve no hope in the Champions League. We’re in a bad situation, something is going to give. The players aren’t playing for the manager. The manager doesn’t seem to be able to help the players. How do you see this panning out? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djvandyke Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Wenger's refusal to justify his wacky decisions is because he can't. One positive is the clean sheet, we concede far less goals with that back five. same against Everton please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Haha nice try. I watched the game. Ramsey was poor. It's not his fault like, he's just not good enough. Blame the manager.And be rational? I am very rational about why I want Wenger gone. If anything it's people like you who are not rational. Blindly sticking up for the manager and belittling abyone that dares not share your opinion is definitely the act of a rational man. Ramsey was by far our best and most productive player and I am not alone in thinking this. I am sorry but you're just wrong you assume he played badly. I am yet to work what he did which was wrong and also what he did that was worse than Arteta or Cazorla who I thought he played better than. He created more, passed more and shot more. Not sure there is a lot more you could ask from him. Secondly people say he slows the play down and he can do but he didn't yesterday he drove from midfield quite effectively and passed quite quickly and was no more at fault for our inability to control the game than Cazorla or Arteta and considering he did more going forwards I am unsure about what you think he did wrong other than be Ramsey. You aren't rational saying things like we don't have a manager are hardly logical. I don't blindly stick though and if you look through my posts I often criticise him. Also for you to tell someone that they belittle others is to say the least hypocritical and I can't remember many occasions when I have belittled people. As I have said I am open to people have different opinions but the angst and drama which seems to come with Wenger out is ridiculous. I don't have to disagree to be allowed to question certain elements. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 When did I say that we don't have a manager anymore? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Apologies I misquote you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry_14 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Smash the scum who were down to 10 men? They could have played a team of 6 year olds its still something to be pleased about, i simply cant work out why you bother supporting the club if you wont just be pleased for any successes we have during a season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry_14 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Smash the scum who were down to 10 men?Qualify for the next part of the CL - a competition we have ZERO chance of winning? Come off it, even Southampton put 4 past Villa. This I stole from an online blog but it hits the nail on the head.... I saw the result. A draw, regardless of the conditions or how hard we fought was not good enough. We’re floundering. The away fans are digging out the manager. The manager is digging out the away fans. The club have £70m in the bank. The club are sorting out our striker shortage with a short term loan deal for an ageing legend for the second year running. The club have just secured £55m a year in additional revenue. We’re out of the running for the league. We’ve no hope in the Champions League. We’re in a bad situation, something is going to give. The players aren’t playing for the manager. The manager doesn’t seem to be able to help the players. How do you see this panning out? What relevance does securing an extra £55m on friday have to do with the result on the saturday? Lets see what happens in the next two transfer windows before throwing that one about. Logically nobody other than Madrid or Barca have any hope in the Champions league but history has shown you never know. We'll have no hope if we wernt in it, but we are still there. Not sure about the players not playing for the manager, id be more inclined to think thats a load of rubbish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Of course it's something to be pleased about. But it's not something that we can use to show where we are as a club. It's not something we can use as proof that we have a good manager/team/board/whatever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 It's only 30. We don't have 70 yet. Ajw is right it's useless unless it used for improving the squad. All this deal does is mean we can just about break a profit before player sales. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djvandyke Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 When did I say that we don't have a manager anymore? It was me. Paul Lambert’s touchline ban illustrated the situation beautifully. Persisting with Arsene Wenger is the equivalent of a permanent touchline ban. He is still able to select the starting line-up and opening strategy but once the match kicks off has absolutely no influence over what is happening on the pitch. He may as well not be at the match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Select_screen_name: Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2237965/Arsenal-set-make-10m-swoop-Liverpool-flop-Stewart-Downing.html I'd settle for £15 million. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Gribble Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I'd be embarrassed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanNUFC Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 That can't be true surely, i'd laugh if it happened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy13 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I think Downing has a decent cross on him so it could work with Giroud as target man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suggy33 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Now that's definite trolling. Didn't he only get 1 goal and 1 assist last year? My mistake. No goals, no assists, in 36 league appearances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emersonlfc Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 You give us 10million and Walcott and we shake hands on the deal right now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Hahaha, that's the funniest thing I think I've ever read. And I've read Adrian Mole. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanNUFC Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Now that's definite trolling. Didn't he only get 1 goal and 1 assist last year? My mistake. No goals, no assists, in 36 league appearances. And Wenger apparently values him at £10m....ok then.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmi88 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2237965/Arsenal-set-make-10m-swoop-Liverpool-flop-Stewart-Downing.htmlI'd settle for £15 million. this comment is gold - s a liverpool fan, i do hope this is true. Christian Tello to replace him. Now we just need to sign Damaio, austin, Huntelaar and Isco and we will be sorted. Hopefully rodgers will ignore, ince, sturridge, rossi and dempsey. - teeman89 , Dorset, 25/11/2012 13:07 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Jesus christ Downing. Rather have Gervinho and Arshavin on the wings or Santos Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Can you imagine the reaction if we replaced Theo with Downing? No one would be able to stick up for Wenger anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 this comment is gold - s a liverpool fan, i do hope this is true. Christian Tello to replace him. Now we just need to sign Damaio, austin, Huntelaar and Isco and we will be sorted. Hopefully rodgers will ignore, ince, sturridge, rossi and dempsey.- teeman89 , Dorset, 25/11/2012 13:07Yeah, it amuses me, too. Absolutely delusional. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falahk Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 even Ramsey would add more on the wing then Downing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveUK Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Id rather have this guy than Stewart Downing any day. http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/oddballs/885691-72-year-old-pensioner-is-britains-oldest-goalkeeper has tremendous dribbling ability too:lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djvandyke Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Downing? Downing? Stewart F*cking Downing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanNUFC Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Downing? Downing? Stewart F*cking Downing? For £10 million! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro Posted November 25, 2012 Author Share Posted November 25, 2012 Not a single quote in that downing story and not even a mystery insider source. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chr1s Lawson Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Downing story must be bs, can't believe wenger would stoop to that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Not a single quote in that downing story and not even a mystery insider source. It's the DM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 It's clearly not true. We are still well off the transfer window. Load of tosh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCIAG Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Apparently Sean Morrison will be playing for Reading, so Gnabry should have plenty of chances. Sean Morrison is now being linked with a transfer to you! Think Jamie Carragher, but 6'4. When we signed him he was terrible on the ball and looked like the last person who could play for Arsenal, but he's improved in that regard... and pretty much every other regard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugster Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 I stopped reading and started crying when you said 'Think Jamie Carragher'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 We don't need a cb unless one of them leaves. Our defensive issues have come at left back when we haven't had Gibbs. It's our attacking game which is a bit of a worry but it will hopefully come together Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugster Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Would anyone rather we had a commanding, strong, powerful holding midfielder rather than Arteta? I really like Arteta and he's a fine player but I think we miss that extra 'steel' in midfield. Basically M'Villa without the craziness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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