ArsenalFan7 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Gervinho once again a joke, keeping up with his classic move where he dribbles the ball gets caught up with it and then loses it with ease, also dribbled numerous times instead of passing and lost us possession. Don't care if he scored, little impact. Once again escapes being subbed and Podolski goes off again somehow. Rubbish goals to concede. So simple for Chelsea. Amazed by some passes today, some of our team struggling to play it simple. Giroud miss at the end summed it all up. Chelsea were solid, we were fragile and poor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawee Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 If I didn't know the scoreline, and just hear that, "Chelsea were solid, we were fragile and poor," I would have thought they choked us to death and won 3-0. Chelsea were not solid. They conceded a goal where our winger was free to cross, and somehow our winger-cum-striker found 2-3 yards in a crowded box. If they were so solid, how did we carve them open for Giroud to miss a good chance. How did Cazorla get all those half chances? If we were missing passes all over the place, how did we dominate possession? Chelsea was also missing simple passes all over the place as well, that's why. Look, we were poor today. Poorest we've been all season. Chelsea was not much better though. They were average at best, but that was enough to beat us on a bad day. Chelsea is none of our concern though. So, we need to get our focus back, and work out why we didn't do well today, and move on and forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Of course I can have that as a mistake. **** poor management to change systems 15 mins into a match. If you're going to start Ramsey out wide, at least have the balls to carry that through.And Gilberto is/was a much more important player than Vermaelen. Vermaelen shouldn't even be starting for us. He would be a fool if he didn't correct his mistake ffs . The second statement is hyperbole. TV is still an important player for us and was a key part of our solid defence at the beginning of the season. Jesus christ AF7 that is mostly hyperbole. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy13 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Great decision by Wenger to go into the season with 2 unproven strikers - the best one got subbed and the other is proving to be hopeless. Looks like Jan Vertonghen is proving to be a great buy as well. If only someone had championed his name in the summer.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Well it's not hyperbole as ive been consistent with my opinions on Vermaelen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Well it's not hyperbole as ive been consistent with my opinions on Vermaelen. It is hyperbole to say Gilberto at the point he wasn't made captain is much more important to us than TV is now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candre168 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Hey guys, I was out today, could anyone give me a brief summary of the game? Thank you very much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy13 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Hey guys, I was out today, could anyone give me a brief summary of the game?Thank you very much. We lost because we still can't defend set pieces. End. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candre168 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 The usual then. Looks like we were well on top and basically shoot ourselves in the foot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy13 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 The usual then. Looks like we were well on top and basically shoot ourselves in the foot Not really. Passion, hard work, desire, concentration - just some of the things we didn't have today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmi88 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 we were even dominated in possession in the first half =/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suggy33 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 I remember seeing that we had 65% possession at some point during the second half (I think not long after it went to 2-1). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggaeBwoy Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Our game plan was better tbh. Main thing I think was we done a good job on Cazorla and were more coherent with the ball. BTW Jenkinson must of done of the silkiest dives in football, the cheeky git Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff EdL Posted September 29, 2012 SI Staff Share Posted September 29, 2012 Not really sure how Vermaelen is getting blamed by aj when Koscielny had a shocker? The massive mistake was not having Per instead of Koscielny Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 I remember seeing that we had 65% possession at some point during the second half (I think not long after it went to 2-1).That was 5 minutes into the 2nd half, that stat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy13 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Not really sure how Vermaelen is getting blamed by aj when Koscielny had a shocker? The massive mistake was not having Per instead of Koscielny Are you seriously going with that? Hazard, Oscar, and Mata would have torn PerMer a new one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff EdL Posted September 29, 2012 SI Staff Share Posted September 29, 2012 Yes I am, and no I completely disagree Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Our game plan was better tbh. Main thing I think was we done a good job on Cazorla and were more coherent with the ball. BTW Jenkinson must of done of the silkiest dives in football, the cheeky git Meh it was Oscar on Arteta which was the best move. You didn't create much but defensively were very strong and we conceded two silly goals Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris79 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 We lost because we still can't defend set pieces. End. Directly yes, but it was because Chelsea dominated for most of the game, especially in the second half and we were not good enough in pressing and generally working together in defence. Yes, both goals were probably avoidable, but they came from FKs that were result of really panic tackles because the midfield and defence were outplayed or made silly loses which forced the defender to make a foul. Also, I thought especially in the first half especially Podloski and Ox to some extent were not helping their fullbacks as they used to do. Gibbs was often left 1vs2. I also believe Diaby's injury had some impact, ironically Ramsey played a lot better when "out of position" than in the centre. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Gribble Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Our game plan was better tbh. Main thing I think was we done a good job on Cazorla and were more coherent with the ball. BTW Jenkinson must of done of the silkiest dives in football, the cheeky git He was just showing David Luiz how it's done Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Directly yes, but it was because Chelsea dominated for most of the game, especially in the second half and we were not good enough in pressing and generally working together in defence. Yes, both goals were probably avoidable, but they came from FKs that were result of really panic tackles because the midfield and defence were outplayed or made silly loses which forced the defender to make a foul. Also, I thought especially in the first half especially Podloski and Ox to some extent were not helping their fullbacks as they used to do. Gibbs was often left 1vs2. I also believe Diaby's injury had some impact, ironically Ramsey played a lot better when "out of position" than in the centre. It was from when Theo was put on and we had 3 strikers that the second half when Chelsea became safer rather than dominated. Never felt they dominated tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry_14 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Great decision by Wenger to go into the season with 2 unproven strikers - the best one got subbed and the other is proving to be hopeless. Looks like Jan Vertonghen is proving to be a great buy as well. If only someone had championed his name in the summer.... Podolski hardly unproven is he Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris79 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 It was from when Theo was put on and we had 3 strikers that the second half when Chelsea became safer rather than dominated. Never felt they dominated tbh. I felt it was because they didn't really have a plan to go all out attacking. They had the result they wanted and were happy to just disrupt Arsenal and not allow our players to find the rhythm. We couldn't really create any longer spells of pressure on them, like we did in the last minutes of the first half. Maybe you're right that it got worse after Walcott came on, but I don't recall Arsenal this season giving the ball away so often when starting a move out of defence or just giving it away in midfield (wasn't that Arteta's loss that led to the FK for the second goal?). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 I felt it was because they didn't really have a plan to go all out attacking. They had the result they wanted and were happy to just disrupt Arsenal and not allow our players to find the rhythm. We couldn't really create any longer spells of pressure on them, like we did in the last minutes of the first half. Maybe you're right that it got worse after Walcott came on, but I don't recall Arsenal this season giving the ball away so often when starting a move out of defence or just giving it away in midfield (wasn't that Arteta's loss that led to the FK for the second goal?). I think their defensive display was dominant, they were excellent at disrupting our play; however this debate is over semantics tbh. I saw that period was when we had 3 strikers and none of them dropped off and got involved in the midfield in fact Cazorla was too high up the pitch after they came on. Theo and Gervinho should have been tracking back more anyway and if they did that we would have been able to have better transitions. Podolski would have stayed involved and that for me is why Gervinho should have come off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suggy33 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 I'm not fussed about Gervinho while he's on good goalscoring form like he is. He want tracking back cause he was our striker for the best part of the game, and even then I remember him storming back to catch David Luiz in the first half. Not quite clinical enough but still scoring alot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chr1s Lawson Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 I mentioned in the match thread that matas freekick was ten yards ahead of where the actual foul took place! Poor refereeing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 I'm not fussed about Gervinho while he's on good goalscoring form like he is. He want tracking back cause he was our striker for the best part of the game, and even then I remember him storming back to catch David Luiz in the first half.Not quite clinical enough but still scoring alot. I was talking about when he was the winger on the left and tbh neither he nor Theo or even Cazorla were getting involved enough at that point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris79 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Well, I think most of us watching the game felt that since we were introducing a striker it would have been better to leave Podolski on, as he in theory does more when we don't have the ball. I also felt he'd be more dangerous after a real striker was on the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris79 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Oh, isn't it a time for the usual calls for Wenger's head? Teams above us in the table are Spurs, Everton and WBA who have a game in hand. I thought less was enough in the past to start the flames Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy13 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Oh, isn't it a time for the usual calls for Wenger's head? Teams above us in the table are Spurs, Everton and WBA who have a game in hand. I thought less was enough in the past to start the flames I have wanted him out for 2 years and nothing this season so far has changed my mind. But I've said as much so many times now, it's pointless doing it again unless things go really sour like they normally do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert the Spud Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Looks like Jan Vertonghen is proving to be a great buy as well. If only someone had championed his name in the summer.... He's looking absolute quality. Cannot believe a bigger club didn't come for him esp. at £8m. Arsenal didn't need him, but someone like Utd, Chelsea or City, Milan etc. He's really going to be one of the top EPL defenders in 1-2 seasons. Can play as a box to box midfielder too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawee Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Of Spurs summer deals, I'd prefer Dembele the most. Jan got very lucky when he fouled Nani in the box. That could have easily cost Spurs the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 And after the we had from City, we're now back to our pessimistic mood Tbf based on current form/team etc Chelsea are CLEAR favorites for a league win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Tbf based on current form/team etc Chelsea are CLEAR favorites for a league win. Jinxing it already? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Hopefully If we don't win the league (which let's be honest, not very likely), I'd like City to win simply because I don't know any City fans and aside from Nasri generally like their squad. I'd rather see you Chelsea boys win it over United though, United just have so many irritating fans (that's not even talking about fans on the SI boards!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Not really sure how Vermaelen is getting blamed by aj when Koscielny had a shocker? The massive mistake was not having Per instead of Koscielny Well, Vermaelen had a shocker too? And the big difference is that Koscielny's mistakes were out of character, Vermaelen's were not. His constant need to win the ball cost us yesterday, the guy is just an idiot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 People should cheer up. We have had a tough few fixtures to begin the season with stoke away which is horrible for everyone particularly us, two title challengers and a Liverpool team fresh off a great performance against city. We have generally played well. Also the only team playing consistently well is chelsea but they have had possibly the easiest start. There is enough about this team for us to still be quite content as we certainly weren't opened up by Chelsea and we created more it was just silly goals which let us down, second week running though. The squad has depth and wilshere isn't far away Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy13 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Podolski hardly unproven is he Er, yes. He did absolutely nothing at Bayern which is why he went back to Koln. He's started well but he could have been another Giroud and for Wenger to start the season with only those 2 strikers is criminally negligent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry_14 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Er, yes. He did absolutely nothing at Bayern which is why he went back to Koln. He's started well but he could have been another Giroud and for Wenger to start the season with only those 2 strikers is criminally negligent. with 104 caps and 44 goals for Germany - id say he's an established and proven striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy13 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 with 104 caps and 44 goals for Germany - id say he's an established and proven striker. So was Shevchenko. Case closed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 "Don't buy players have played and scored loads for their country. Shevchenko wasn't a massive success, therefore they will all fail. But don't buy young up-and-coming players either, we need players who can score goals now! Dammit Wenger, why aren't you buying any players?" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy13 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 "Don't buy players have played and scored loads for their country. Shevchenko wasn't a massive success, therefore they will all fail. But don't buy young up-and-coming players either, we need players who can score goals now! Dammit Wenger, why aren't you buying any players?" You've completely missed the point. I clearly said starting a new season with only 2 strikers - both of which had no experience at this level - was negligent at best. What part are you struggling with? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff EdL Posted September 30, 2012 SI Staff Share Posted September 30, 2012 Well Shevchenko came when he was past his prime, Podolski is what 27... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawee Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 You've completely missed the point. I clearly said starting a new season with only 2 strikers - both of which had no experience at this level - was negligent at best. What part are you struggling with? I agree that we should have picked up another striker, but you're being over-critical. You want someone who's experienced, so we a youngster isn't acceptable. We got ourselves a 100+ caps German international, and you claim he's unproven. Fact is, every buy is risky. Getting someone who's proven in the league isn't sure fire success either. Liverpool bought Henderson, Downing, Adam, and Enrique, and none of those have been great success. Darren Bent has not been a success for everyone he's played for. There are plenty of examples of players who proved themselves in the EPL failing when they moved. Given Wenger's track record for upper-mid-range buys (From the days of Henry and Pires, to Kos, Sagna, Mertesacker) Podolski was a good bet. For a new winger, he hasn't done badly at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy13 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 I agree that we should have picked up another striker, but you're being over-critical.You want someone who's experienced, so we a youngster isn't acceptable. We got ourselves a 100+ caps German international, and you claim he's unproven. Fact is, every buy is risky. Getting someone who's proven in the league isn't sure fire success either. Liverpool bought Henderson, Downing, Adam, and Enrique, and none of those have been great success. Darren Bent has not been a success for everyone he's played for. There are plenty of examples of players who proved themselves in the EPL failing when they moved. Given Wenger's track record for upper-mid-range buys (From the days of Henry and Pires, to Kos, Sagna, Mertesacker) Podolski was a good bet. For a new winger, he hasn't done badly at all. Ok 2 things... Bent did well at Sunderland and then Villa before his injury. Also, for Pod to be used as a winger leaves us with one orthodox striker in Giroud - how's that working out so far?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afced7 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Ok 2 things... Bent did well at Sunderland and then Villa before his injury. And at Spurs... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy13 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 And at Spurs... Look at his goals to games ratio there. He did fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro Posted October 1, 2012 Author Share Posted October 1, 2012 So lets get this right. You criticise Wenger for signing two unproven strikers. And when it's pointed out that one of them most definitely cannot be classed as unproven, you give an example of a proven striker who was a failure. So you want us to sign proven strikers, but on the other hand you don't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro Posted October 1, 2012 Author Share Posted October 1, 2012 You've completely missed the point. I clearly said starting a new season with only 2 strikers - both of which had no experience at this level - was negligent at best. What part are you struggling with?Quite easy to miss the point when you're contradicting yourself. Is podolski proven or not? I think proving yourself at international level would say he is. If you then mention Schevchenko, you're suggesting that buying proven strikers is not a great idea because they can fail. I think this is a great insight into the level of your thinking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy13 Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Dear lord you lot are such hard work. Pod, Giroud, Shevchenko, Aguero, Cisse, any other foreign striker coming into the EPL are not experienced at this level. Some adapt immediately (e.g. Aguero, Pod) and others may never (Shevchenko, Giroud maybe). It is a gamble in itself. Wenger started the season with only 2 strikers, both brand new to the EPL. One has worked, one is hopeless so far. That is negligent, end of. Solution? Buy strikers that ARE proven at this level. Ba, Defoe, Berbatov, Dempsey, Bent. Even if they are back up or rotated, at least there is guaranteed firepower there for situations like these. Got it now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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