Icondacarver Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Left back has to be priority. If Evra gets injured that leaves Blackett or Evans, I would like to rest Evra anyway. We have at least got Petrucci, Brady, Tunnicliffe, Cole etc who if pushed could provide emergency midfield relief, not ideal but better cover than left back. Plus the young Crewe boy probably also being in the squad too as SAF wants to turn him into a CM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 True but we have no cover now for Evra.SAF did say yesterday that we will sign one more player (Baines) possibly two (Moura) We did not have last season or the season before. SAF played Giggs, Evans & Fryers there rather than Fabio when the occassion called for it. He is not losing sleep over the loan although i think a LB is a priority (....funny i was screaming this 3 seasons ago and we still have not sorted it.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted July 13, 2012 Author Share Posted July 13, 2012 No you will try and then fail. I never fail What kind of comment is that anyway? An entirely serious one As for CM vs LB, left back is at least sorted in terms of the first team, I'm still not convinced even if all our CM's avoid injuries that it's good enough. Carrick at this moment in time is more irreplaceable than Evra. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Not sure how transfer talk for United has turned into you offering me out. Now guess what the next comment will be?... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted July 13, 2012 Author Share Posted July 13, 2012 Not sure how transfer talk for United has turned into you offering me out. Now guess what the next comment will be?... Who said anything about offering you out? I'll just shoot you in the leg with a high powered rifle, you'll never even see me! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Surprised if it's true we have tabled a bid for the guy, but it's not like he's coming here anyway. With Real and their wages involved it's a no-brainer for the lad. Besides, a winger (right?) coming to a club and learn from the best winger in the world? He must really be torn... In other news, Larnell Cole has signed a contract extension until 2014 - if the papers are right. Great news. I'm quite tired of youngsters F-ing off elsewhere after we have trained them up to be excellent footballers. Cole is also very talented, with the right attitude, so I have some hope he may make it. Will be interesting to follow him for the Ressies this season, and hopefully he gets a few more subs for the first team too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Who said anything about offering you out? I'll just shoot you in the leg with a high powered rifle, you'll never even see me! After watching him on Ghost Recon, you could come up to him and fire a Derringer into his knee and he would still miss it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 After watching him on Ghost Recon, you could come up to him and fire a Derringer into his knee and he would still miss it. So that is what you spend nigh on the whole game doing, got it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Vidic is back in training \0/ Let's hope everything is going to plan and he makes a full recovery. Looks a little skinnier, but maybe it's just a wrong perception. Also, can't wait to see this man in action! (Looks like Tunners got thrown off a little bit there.. ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Had a wee laugh at this... Only 4-5 weeks until the season kicks off, and season tickets aren't sold out yet (will they ever get these days?). "Don’t miss out on this fantastic opportunity to secure your own seat at the Theatre of Dreams for 2012/13 season. Available seats are selling quickly, however, so don’t delay – call us now " Then this flat-out lie. "Season Ticket prices have been frozen and now offer better value than ever" Even better than before the Glazers took over.... Working in marketing sucks the soul out of human beings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headshotbg Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Kagawa looks older Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leppard Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Vidic does look a little on the thin side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheps. Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Tunnicliffe is a typical physical representation of every lad from Heywood, the ****in' skinhead Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Also, can't wait to see this man in action! (Looks like Tunners got thrown off a little bit there.. ) Looks like he's going to sweep Shinji's ankles out and put him on his arse! I've done a little squad analysis as I did at the start of last season (because I am that sad): # Name Nat Pos Sqd YtS DoB 1 David De Gea ESP GK F 07/11/1990 2 3 Patrice Evra FRA LB F 15/05/1981 4 Phil Jones ENG CH/RB/DM/CM U21 2 21/02/1992 5 Rio Ferdinand ENG CH HG 07/11/1978 6 Jonny Evans NIR CH HG 02/01/1988 7 Luis Antonio Valencia ECU RW F 04/08/1985 8 Anderson BRA CM/AM F 13/04/1988 9 Dimitar Berbatov BUL F F 30/01/1981 10 Wayne Rooney ENG F HG 24/10/1985 11 Ryan Giggs WAL CM/LW/AM HG 29/11/1973 12 Chris Smalling ENG CH/RB HG 22/11/1989 13 14 Javier Hernández MEX F F 01/06/1988 15 Nemanja Vidić SRB CH F 21/10/1981 16 Michael Carrick ENG CM/DM HG 28/07/1981 17 Nani POR RW/LW/AM F 17/11/1986 18 Ashley Young ENG LW/RW/AM HG 09/07/1985 19 Danny Welbeck ENG F/LW/RW HG 26/11/1990 20 Fábio BRA D HG (LOAN) 09/07/1990 21 Rafael BRA D HG 09/07/1990 22 Paul Scholes ENG CM HG 16/11/1974 23 Tom Cleverley ENG CM/AM/LW HG 12/08/1989 24 Darren Fletcher SCO CM/DM HG 01/02/1984 25 Nick Powell ENG CM/AM/F U21 4 23/03/1994 26 Shinji Kagawa JPN AM/LW F 17/03/1989 27 Federico Macheda ITA F/LW U21 1 22/08/1991 28 29 30 31 32 33 Bébé POR RW/LW/AM F 12/07/1990 34 Anders Lindegaard DEN GK F 13/04/1984 35 Reece Brown ENG CH/RB/CM U21 1 01/11/1991 36 Marnick Vermijl BEL RB/RW U21 2 13/01/1992 37 Robbie Brady IRL LW/RW/AM U21 2 14/01/1992 38 Michael Keane ENG RB/CH/CM U21 3 11/01/1993 39 Tom Thorpe ENG CH U21 3 13/01/1993 40 Ben Amos ENG GK HG (LOAN) 10/04/1990 41 Joshua King NOR F /RW U21 2 15/01/1992 42 43 44 Sean McGinty IRL CH/LB U21 3 11/08/1993 45 Davide Petrucci ITA AM/CM/F U21 1 17/10/1991 46 Ryan Tunnicliffe ENG CM U21 2 30/12/1992 47 48 Will Keane ENG F U21 3 11/01/1993 49 50 Sam Johnstone ENG GK U21 3 25/03/1993 51 52 Larnell Cole ENG CM/RW/AM U21 3 09/03/1993 53 Jesse Lingard ENG AM/CM/RW U21 2 15/12/1992 54 Michele Fornasier ITA CH/RB U21 3 22/08/1993 55 Luke Giverin ENG LB/LW U21 3 04/02/1993 HG 12 F 11 (YtS = 'Years to Squad') TOTAL 23 So a total of 23 to be registered for this year's Prem squad if you include Berba, Fletcher and Bébé. The 'YtS/Years to Squad' shows how many years they are away from requiring registration to be eligible; to give some perception for the future. For example, any prospective signings should be take into account that though there are two slots free now, Phil Jones will be taking a slot in two seasons time. All based on last seasons squad plus the three changes we've had so far (Valencia; Powell; Kagawa) and I've taken the liberty of treating Amos and Fryers as though their respective moves will go through. I'd be surprised if Lindegaard doesn't become #13, maybe Rafa to #2, and Johnstone, Tunnerz, Petrucci the Keanes and possibly King may get bumps if they're to be kept around. Lingard and Cole are set to be loaned out; would imagine the same fate awaits most of the other youngsters as they're simply not good enough. Maybe a shirt for Blackett as I said above, possibly the same for the likes of Rudge, Rothwell, Dæhli, Pearson, Januzaj, Barmby and Gorré when the Carling Cup rolls around. From that then we've seen a bit of a pinch with de Gea, Welbeck and Rafael now requiring registration - Fabio and particularly Amos status also probably contributed to their loan moves. Big year for Petrucci and Macheda to justify a place in the squad if they're to stick around; doubt Brown will make it. Tunnerz and King with only two years left should probably be kept around given their unsuccessful loan spells last term and the possible shallowness of the squad in their positions. Conversely, there will be spaces coming available - as above Berba, Fletcher () and Bébé will likely not be around for much longer. Fergie is on record as expecting this to be Scholes' and Giggs' last season, and Rio can't really be looking far beyond 2014. After that though there's a bit of a drop to Evra at 31 and Carrick and Vidic at 30. The next oldest outfielder is Young at 27. That would give us something like GK de Gea Lindegaard D Rafael Smalling Jones Vidic Evans Fábio Evra M Valencia Nani Tunnicliffe Carrick Cleverley Anderson Lingard Petrucci Kagawa Young F King Welbeck Rooney Macheda Hernandez which I make to be 24, albeit including four 'maybe's from the yoof team, five including Kiko. Even ignoring those five, there aren't many players left that most people would be happy to see leave. Evra's form is obviously a concern, but will only be sold if a replacement is brought in, so he I think he can be disregarded. Beyond that, I think this reinforces how massive this year is for Anderson - he has to be next in the firing line. After him, Nani? Rooney? Bearing in mind that with few slots available there isn't much scope for sacrificing a top level player with a view to strengthening the squad, any sales should be made with the intention to bring in a direct replacement who is an improvement. Without that, it seems like we're set on a path of no more than one or two additions per summer for the foreseeable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMaster#28 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Fergie is on record as expecting this to be Scholes' and Giggs' last season Has not been the case for the past few years? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Well Scholes, obviously Giggs he's more trotted out 'he's got a few years in him left if we manage him right' and similar, first time he's definitively said it's his final or penultimate year for some time at least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aderow Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Awesome pictures those are. Been wanting Kagawa to be at United since he left the J-League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtuck01 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Awesome pictures those are. Been wanting Kagawa to be at United since he left the J-League. Technically he never played in the J-League, but J-League 2? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Bestie7 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Cofie apparently on loan to Sheffield United. This Lucas Moura story seems to be constantly in the news. According to ESPN, a Brazilian paper is saying it's a 33m euro bid yet you've got to wonder if they aren't just regurgitating what the English press has been spewing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtuck01 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 The Cofie thing was arranged back on Tuesday, but not officially confirmed until yesterday because of a problem submitting the paperwork.................broken fax machine on our end apparently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 The Cofie thing was arranged back on Tuesday, but not officially confirmed until yesterday because of a problem submitting the paperwork.................broken fax machine on our end apparently. Waiting for when something like this happens on Aug 31 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Bestie7 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 The Cofie thing was arranged back on Tuesday, but not officially confirmed until yesterday because of a problem submitting the paperwork.................broken fax machine on our end apparently. Well...at least football doesn't use carrier pigeons.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtuck01 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Waiting for when something like this happens on Aug 31 If true, it really is **** poor to be honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted July 14, 2012 Author Share Posted July 14, 2012 I'm sure someone will realise you can scan and then email eventually. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Probably due to Federation of Antiquity rules. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 No 'OMG RIO IS RACIST' posts yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 You'd expect them in here? Doubtful Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Couldn't find them anywhere tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 There might just be a reason for that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted July 14, 2012 Author Share Posted July 14, 2012 What have I missed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 What have I missed?what he said Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Someone referred to Cole as 'choc ice' on twitter, Rio retweeted and laughed. Apparently 'choc ice' is used to refer to a black man acting white. OH THE RACISM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted July 14, 2012 Author Share Posted July 14, 2012 Oh Rio... that isn't very clever. No doubt he'll get a rather hefty fine but not sure how that would constitute racism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 8 match ban. oh, and Evra too of course. I'm sure he had something to do with it. Would be happy for the club to ban everyone at the club from twitter. As much as I enjoy Twitter it is a pain sometimes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Oh Rio... that isn't very clever.No doubt he'll get a rather hefty fine but not sure how that would constitute racism. It definitely stands as a racial slur, Rio should know better tbh. He knows how "Bounty" and "Coconut" abuse is quite hurtful so he should not be doing that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Bestie7 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 It definitely stands as a racial slur, Rio should know better tbh.He knows how "Bounty" and "Coconut" abuse is quite hurtful so he should not be doing that. But that comes back to the issue of black-on-black n-word usage. At what point does that become racism or a people taking control of a derogatory word? A black-on-white, white-on-black or any ethnicity on another usage of a term gets a far different reaction than if the ethnic person uses it on their own ethnicity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted July 14, 2012 Author Share Posted July 14, 2012 Is insulting someone for not accepting their race racist? Genuine question, it just doesn't strike me as "Ashley Cole wishes he was white and whites are terrible hahahahaha", more like a less classy Uncle Tom reference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 But that comes back to the issue of black-on-black n-word usage. At what point does that become racism or a people taking control of a derogatory word? A black-on-white, white-on-black or any ethnicity on another usage of a term gets a far different reaction than if the ethnic person uses it on their own ethnicity. Black-on-Black N word usage is not used as an insult. Black-on-Black words like "Bounty" etc are a very common and problematic form of abuse and is NEVER not an insult. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Is insulting someone for not accepting their race racist? Genuine question, it just doesn't strike me as "Ashley Cole wishes he was white and whites are terrible hahahahaha", more like a less classy Uncle Tom reference. Uncle Tom references are seen as quite racial (although i only learnt that recently), even when tongue in cheek you are basically suggesting that being similar to or acting White is a negative thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 What does 'coconut' mean? Something to do with being white on the inside? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted July 14, 2012 Author Share Posted July 14, 2012 I always thought they were talking about people not being able to accept the colour of their own skin (kind of self-racism), you live and learn. Either way that isn't going to end well for Rio. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted July 14, 2012 Author Share Posted July 14, 2012 What does 'coconut' mean? Same as choc ice and Bounty? One colour on the outside, one on the inside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Same as choc ice and Bounty? One colour on the outside, one on the inside. Ah right, my guess was right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 I always thought they were talking about people not being able to accept the colour of their own skin (kind of self-racism), you live and learn. Either way that isn't going to end well for Rio. It is a bit of that, but the abuse tends to focus more on the race they are trying to be and less about the race they are unable to accept. It is that part of it which makes it derogatory. It is more a case of "You are trying to be White" than "You are ashamed to be Black". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted July 14, 2012 Author Share Posted July 14, 2012 Ah well Rio is going to be sitting out a few games at the start of the season then, even if he didn't know it's not an excuse. What a tard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Ah well Rio is going to be sitting out a few games at the start of the season then, even if he didn't know it's not an excuse. What a tard Wanderlust....i mean Jones will use that time to shine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aderow Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Technically he never played in the J-League, but J-League 2? I completely forgot the 2. Nice catch there mate. Probably messed up because Cerezo Osaka are in the top division now. Seems like the next few days are gonna be fun.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Was 'Oreo' in my day Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aderow Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Was 'Oreo' in my day Where I am, it still is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Would be happy for the club to ban everyone at the club from twitter. I would not disagree with that notion. But on a slightly more serious note, I think this twitter business is getting a bit over the top. I mean the following and 'prosecuting' (used loosely) what people say (or even re-****) on twitter. Who gives a shaking asshair what Rio or anybody else says or retwats on twitter? (Okay, aparently a lot of people follow that religiously), but really, is it a big deal. There's all kinds of spam all over the internet as it is. If Rio or anybody else says something slightly disagreeable, should we really run after him with pitchforks and burning torches? This goes for the so-called court case with Terry too btw. Yes, he's a C of the highest order, but was really a court case about that necessary? The whole thing seemed out of whack from the start. Racism is of course a very big issue and we shouldn't take it lightly. I know more than a few things about that, and have risked my skin more than I probably should have given my body size with stepping between people. But think about it for a second. The name "racism" is absurd. Whether you happen to have this, that or the other skin colour, we are very much the same race. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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