Micado Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Official The Netherlands Thread ; the team with no decent Left back Info - The Netherlands Nickname(s) Oranje Holland The Flying Dutchmen Clockwork Orange La Maquina Naranja Association Koninklijke Nederlandse Voetbalbond — KNVB Confederation UEFA (Europe) Head coach Bert van Marwijk Asst coach Philip Cocu Ernst Faber Dick Voorn Captain Mark van Bommel Most caps Edwin van der Sar (130) Top scorer Patrick Kluivert (40) Home stadium Amsterdam Arena De Kuip Philips Stadion FIFA code NED FIFA ranking 4th (May 2012) Highest FIFA ranking 1st (August 2011) Lowest FIFA ranking 25th (May 1998) Euro's History: Year Round G W D L GS GA 1960 Did not participate - - - - - - 1964 DNQ - - - - - - 1968 DNQ - - - - - - 1972 DNQ - - - - - - 1976 3rd 2 1 0 1 4 5 1980 1st round 3 1 1 1 4 4 1984 DNQ - - - - - - 1988 Winner 5 4 0 1 8 3 1992 Semi Final 4 2 2 0 6 3 1996 Quater Final 4 1 2 1 3 4 2000 Semi Final 5 4 1 0 13 3 2004 Semi Final 5 1 2 2 7 6 2008 Quater Final 4 3 0 1 10 4 2012 Qualified Totals 8/14 32 17 8 7 55 32 G; Games W; Won L; Lost D; Draw L; Lost GS; Goals Scored GA; Goals Against How did we there: Nation Games Won Draw Lost Gs Ga +/- Pts Nederland 10 9 0 1 37 8 +29 27Q Zweden 10 8 0 2 31 11 +20 24Q as best #2 Hongarije 10 6 1 3 22 14 +8 19 Finland 10 3 1 6 16 16 0 10 Moldavië 10 3 0 7 12 16 -4 9 San Marino 10 0 0 10 0 53 -53 0 Our 23 guys for the tournament. # name Age Caps Goals Club [b]Goalkeepers[/b] 1 Maarten Stekelenburg 29 46 0 AS Roma 12 Michel Vorm 28 9 0 Swansea City 22 Tim Krul 24 3 0 Newcastle United FC [b]Defence[/b] 2 Gregory van der Wiel 24 31 0 AFC Ajax 3 John Heitinga 28 77 7 Everton FC 4 Joris Mathijsen 32 80 3 Málaga CF 5 Wilfred Bouma 33 37 2 PSV 13 Ron Vlaar 27 6 0 Feyenoord 15 Jetro Willems 18 1 0 PSV 21 Khalid Boulahrouz 30 35 0 VfB Stuttgart [b]Midfield[/b] 6 Mark van Bommel 35 76 10 AC Milan 8 Nigel de Jong 27 59 1 Manchester City FC 10 Wesley Sneijder 27 83 23 Inter 14 Stijn Schaars 28 18 0 Sporting CP 17 Kevin Strootman 22 11 1 PSV 20 Ibrahim Afellay 26 37 3 FC Barcelona 23 Rafael van der Vaart 29 95 18 Tottenham Hotspur [b]Forwards[/b] 7 Dirk Kuijt 31 87 24 Liverpool FC 9 Klaas-Jan Huntelaar 28 52 31 FC Schalke 04 11 Arjen Robben 28 56 17 Bayern München 16 Robin van Persie 28 64 26 Arsenal FC 18 Luuk de Jong 21 7 1 FC Twente 19 Luciano Narsingh 21 1 0 sc Heerenveen So far for the indtroduction, let's discuss Team Holland Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micado Posted May 31, 2012 Author Share Posted May 31, 2012 So, Klaas or RvP; Schaars, Bouma or Willems as LB? I would say Willems and Klaas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Willems The tournament where he will go from a boy -> man. Hopefully, Bert does the opposite of the WC and plays KJH as your starting striker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Isn't Bouma still decent? Used to be an awesome signing on CM01/02, first player I would buy normally Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micado Posted May 31, 2012 Author Share Posted May 31, 2012 Bouma has a very poor season, Willems (just turned 18 two months ago) got a starting spot over Bouma, plus ever since his huge injury he is struggling with his fitness, so no he is not decent but holds some experience (this will be his first major tournament) according to Bert.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 What's the deal with Pieters? Has he not recovered from injury in time for the Euros then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micado Posted May 31, 2012 Author Share Posted May 31, 2012 The recovery of his injury didn't go as hoped, so he had to undergo surgery again, thus he misses the Euro's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 So what is the likely starting line up? Is VdV likely to start or come off the bench? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheps. Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Looking forward to seeing Strootman, is he likely to start? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Come on lads Hunter please Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romanista1994 Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Hup Holland, particularly Stekelenburg! What are the odds on Dutch supporters being arrested in Ukraine after they're confused with Orange Revolution sympathisers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Jeroen Thijssen Posted June 1, 2012 SI Staff Share Posted June 1, 2012 So what is the likely starting line up? Is VdV likely to start or come off the bench? Right now I would say that Sneijder and Afellay will get the starting job. But VdV played ok aganist Slovakia - so it can still go many ways. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendsill Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Nice title for this thread! So, Klaas or RvP; Schaars, Bouma or Willems as LB?I would say Willems and Klaas. I'm agreeing with you on Klaas. Hoping that vdV and RvP will not be made the wingers, as it might get crowded in the center.. For the left-back position, given the choices I'd say Willems is the choise who does the least harm. Bouma is just too old and slow and Schaars is well Schaars and I have no confidence in him.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micado Posted June 1, 2012 Author Share Posted June 1, 2012 So what is the likely starting line up? Is VdV likely to start or come off the bench? Looking forward to seeing Strootman, is he likely to start?As it stands now, VdV will come off the bench and for Strootman, he had a not so good second half of the season, while Nigel de Jong had a good one, played a bit more, so, can't see strootman starting atm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Jeroen Thijssen Posted June 1, 2012 SI Staff Share Posted June 1, 2012 Nice title for this thread!I'm agreeing with you on Klaas. Hoping that vdV and RvP will not be made the wingers, as it might get crowded in the center.. For the left-back position, given the choices I'd say Willems is the choise who does the least harm. Bouma is just too old and slow and Schaars is well Schaars and I have no confidence in him.. I have little confidence in any of then, but I'm more prone to going for Bouma because he does have a crapload of experience. If not him, then Willems - as for him at least it's his natural position. Schaars is clueless. I want Huntelaar to play every international game, so that he can surpass Patrick Kluivert (It's no secret that I'm not a Kluivert-fan.) But VdV nor RvP should be on the wings, they're not winger and will only clog up the centre indeed. We need Robben and preferably a good left winger but Van Marwijk didn't take any. Although you could try Robben on the left and put Narsingh on the right. But Afellay is an OK alternative, he's not great - but should do that trick. But please.. not Van der Vaart. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett.spurs Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Nah, VDV will start alongside MVB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Yeah, I dunno why Bert insists on playing both MVB and NDJ when in reality probably only one of the two would suffice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendsill Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Yeah, I dunno why Bert insists on playing both MVB and NDJ when in reality probably only one of the two would suffice Defensive certainty is the only reason I can think of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Jeroen Thijssen Posted June 1, 2012 SI Staff Share Posted June 1, 2012 Nah, VDV will start alongside MVB. Doubtful. BVM generally picks 2 DMs - so Van Bommel with N. de Jong or Strootman. VdV is defensively poor, and also out of form (fitness) - although he played well against Slovakia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Think it'll be MVB and NDJ too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micado Posted June 1, 2012 Author Share Posted June 1, 2012 I want Huntelaar to play every international game, so that he can surpass Patrick Kluivert (It's no secret that I'm not a Kluivert-fan.) agreed here, used to be fan, till his apperance in Holland Sport.But VdV nor RvP should be on the wings, they're not winger and will only clog up the centre indeed. We need Robben and preferably a good left winger but Van Marwijk didn't take any. Although you could try Robben on the left and put Narsingh on the right. But Afellay is an OK alternative, he's not great - but should do that trick. But please.. not Van der Vaart.yep, play Narsingh right and Robben left, then Robben has to outside instead of coming in and put in good crosses for Klaas, RvP at Sneijders spot, NdJ out and Afellay on his spot along side MvB.Ah, will not happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Snellink Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 I still ****ing hate Mark van Bommel. He's a whiny **** that will kick the living crap out of someone one second and then rolls around as if shot when barely touched, instantly screaming for a yellow card. Can't stand that type of player. If you want to be tough, be tough, don't go complaining when you get a taste of your own medicine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Yeah, MVB is one of the worst for that. He goes in and someone else rolls around he's one of the first to be calling them a diver too. A true modern day player Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orzelek Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 van Bommel hate and DJ is not even involved? :o As for The Netherlands- I see you guys as one of the main favourites. Despite the fact that I like your team, I won't be rooting for you as you're in group with Germany and Denmark. Although I'm sure you once agin will win over the Danes with ease Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 http://nos.nl/ek2012/artikel/379447-bondscoach-kiest-van-persie.html Van Marwijk told Huntelaar that Van Persie would be the first choice. Huntelaar was reported to be angry and disappointed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cedrik Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 And rightly so. I seriously can't believe Bert didn't even try to let them play together. And Huntelaar must also feel like he is been fooled all this time, Bert probably knew all along he would choose Robin over Klaas. I would put Robin on the left, Klaas as striker. It's like almost insane that a player who scores 48 goals in 47 matches needs to be on the bench. I think at any other nation team they would have been both in the starting eleven. But Bert is the coach, he makes his decisions, sometimes questionable decisions, but so be it. If Robin plays another poor tournament and he is still the first choise, I would just thank for 'Oranje' if I was Klaas. If your not getting the confidence you deserve why bother about the national team? Better focus on your club. We have other players like De Jong, Dost and Wolfswinkel who are waiting to be back up behind vPersie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micado Posted June 2, 2012 Author Share Posted June 2, 2012 Klaas to be very frustrated, I think he is the better finisher of the two, while RvP is the better footballer, but hey, we have enough footballers in our team (Sneijder, VdV, Afellay, Robben), we don't need an extra one footballer who should be scoring goals as the #9 (see WC2010, how many goals had RvP and Klaas, yes both has 1, while Klaas had much less minutes). plus I think the Danes and Germany are similar opponents to the ones Klaas faced in the Bundesliga, he did not do bad in the Bundesliga now did he.. [/rant @ Bert] @Cedrik, I would do what MvB did (When MvB (ha ha, all those initials, but Van Basten thus) was in charge) as I was Klaas (after a poor tournament by RvP), say not playing for Bert anymore but willing for a new coach to see how that will go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micado Posted June 2, 2012 Author Share Posted June 2, 2012 Another reason why Klaas should start Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Jeroen Thijssen Posted June 2, 2012 SI Staff Share Posted June 2, 2012 Klaas to be very frustrated, I think he is the better finisher of the two, while RvP is the better footballer, but hey, we have enough footballers in our team (Sneijder, VdV, Afellay, Robben), we don't need an extra one footballer who should be scoring goals as the #9 (see WC2010, how many goals had RvP and Klaas, yes both has 1, while Klaas had much less minutes). plus I think the Danes and Germany are similar opponents to the ones Klaas faced in the Bundesliga, he did not do bad in the Bundesliga now did he.. [/rant @ Bert]@Cedrik, I would do what MvB did (When MvB (ha ha, all those initials, but Van Basten thus) was in charge) as I was Klaas (after a poor tournament by RvP), say not playing for Bert anymore but willing for a new coach to see how that will go. Yes, I expect Van Marwijk to leave shortly after the Euros - time for something new. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 So expecting something like this? ---------RvP Afellay-Sneijder-Robben -----MVB-----NDJ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Jeroen Thijssen Posted June 2, 2012 SI Staff Share Posted June 2, 2012 Probable line up against Northern Ireland tonight: Afellay Van Persie Robben Sneijder Van Bommel De Jong Schaars Bouma Heitinga Van der Wiel Stekelenburg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Jeroen Thijssen Posted June 2, 2012 SI Staff Share Posted June 2, 2012 Huntelaar is very disappointed: De Schalke-spits sprak het vermoeden uit dat alles al vantevoren vaststond. "The Schalke striker says that he thinks everything is already predetermined" Well duh, of course Bert van Marwijk already had plans, thoughts and ideas beforehand - you silly bugger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micado Posted June 2, 2012 Author Share Posted June 2, 2012 Huntelaar is very disappointed: De Schalke-spits sprak het vermoeden uit dat alles al vantevoren vaststond. "The Schalke striker says that he thinks everything is already predetermined" Well duh, of course Bert van Marwijk already had plans, thoughts and ideas beforehand - you silly bugger. ha ha, but I think Klaas ment the he really didn't get a fair chance.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Jeroen Thijssen Posted June 2, 2012 SI Staff Share Posted June 2, 2012 ha ha, but I think Klaas ment the he really didn't get a fair chance.. Even worse... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Snellink Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Even worse...Why? Shouldn't a player hope for an honest chance to win the starting spot, but rather accept that the head coach has a hard-on for certain players (cough v Bommel/ RvP). I'm not saying van Persie's club performances and level of skill don't merit his inclusion in the squad, but to be honest Huntelaar has proven himself the better striker for Holland in my ultimately irrelevant opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Jeroen Thijssen Posted June 2, 2012 SI Staff Share Posted June 2, 2012 Why? Shouldn't a player hope for an honest chance to win the starting spot, but rather accept that the head coach has a hard-on for certain players (cough v Bommel/ RvP). I'm not saying van Persie's club performances and level of skill don't merit his inclusion in the squad, but to be honest Huntelaar has proven himself the better striker for Holland in my ultimately irrelevant opinion. He's had chances already. I loathe players who go like that. Next to the training - There's been two proper international games. RvP scored a goal. Huntelaar hasn't. Makes me think of crappy players that whinge.. ohhh I haven't been given a proper chance weh weh weh weh - well, you should have done better in training and the minutes you did get, you whinging douchebag. Although I'd probably play both Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Jeroen Thijssen Posted June 2, 2012 SI Staff Share Posted June 2, 2012 Starting line-up vs Northern Ireland: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micado Posted June 2, 2012 Author Share Posted June 2, 2012 1-0 RvP....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Jeroen Thijssen Posted June 2, 2012 SI Staff Share Posted June 2, 2012 Van Persie, assist Sneijder. Too bad Klaas-Jan! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micado Posted June 2, 2012 Author Share Posted June 2, 2012 Van Persie, assist Sneijder.Too bad Klaas-Jan! Wait and see how RvP will against proper teams.Oh 2-0 Sneijder Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Jeroen Thijssen Posted June 2, 2012 SI Staff Share Posted June 2, 2012 Wait and see how RvP will against proper teams.Oh 2-0 Sneijder Oh, I have some serious lag Great free kick Sneijder Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Sneijder's been awesome so far Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Jeroen Thijssen Posted June 2, 2012 SI Staff Share Posted June 2, 2012 It's only Northern Ireland, but you do have to win these games... 4-0 or more would be decent, gives just that slight little boost that you know some of the shots and balls fall the way you need them to Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Robben didn't take the penalty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Jeroen Thijssen Posted June 2, 2012 SI Staff Share Posted June 2, 2012 RvP 3-0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Jeroen Thijssen Posted June 2, 2012 SI Staff Share Posted June 2, 2012 Afellay 4-0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 It's only Northern Ireland, but you do have to win these games... 4-0 or more would be decent, gives just that slight little boost that you know some of the shots and balls fall the way you need them to Cricket score it is by the looks of things Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROESIDER Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Feel for my NI side out there, simply miles off the standard of this Dutch top top quality side. Would have been hard enough for our full strength NI side never mind a patched up one when you look at the side the dutch have out. Top top quality side. Do we expect a team full of players from the likes of Walsall etc to be able to go and compete with some of the best players in Europe if not the world? Its not running his own down, its being realistic. We are being ritually humped and it could finish any score. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 You expect that from a young squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Jeroen Thijssen Posted June 2, 2012 SI Staff Share Posted June 2, 2012 5-0 Afellay - well played! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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