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Quick question about the "move into channels" player instruction, the game describes it as vertical movement, but when I searched to check what it really does I found that people (like cleon so people who tend to know a lot about the ME) say that it is a horizontal movement.  So instead of finding a pocket of space between a DM and a CD, it's more about finding space between a fullback and a central defender?  Can anyone clarify which of the two it is, a vertical or a horizontal movement?

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1 hour ago, Bdare said:

Hello Guys. Quick question,how do you get a player to come deep? is it by support roles and roam from position?

Support role and PI. I believe roaming helps abit but it also gives him more license to move around, not only drop deep.

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6 hours ago, vasilli07 said:

Support role and PI. I believe roaming helps abit but it also gives him more license to move around, not only drop deep.

There's no PI that encourages a player to come deep as far as I am concerned. If anything, it's mentality along duty and PPM.

 

@Jessan - It's between CBs and FBs.

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On 13/05/2017 at 19:13, whoopy said:

Some clubs that we send our promising players on loan to gain match experience and develop themselves rarely train them on their natural position in training.I mean even though those clubs have better training facilities and the player I send on loan is Wonderkid, after a while his attributes start decreasing.When the player come back to the club I realise that he is being forced to train on a position that he is irrelevant.I hate this, do u guys know any solution for this ? Is it better to keep him at the club instead of sending him on loan to gain match experience ?

Personally I keep all my players until they reach 18 at which point I promote them to U23 if they are good enough or show them the door if they aren't. If they are playing regularly at U18 level and you have good coaches and facilities then that is the best place for them as you control their development.

At 18 if they are not good enough to play in my first team occasionally (10+ games) then I keep them for preseason and then loan them out for the first half of the season. The choice of club is important - they must have good facilities and he must be a regular first team starter and the league must be a challenge for the players level. I then recall them in January and train them for the final 6 months unless they are benefiting hugely from the loan. I repeat this until they are either good enough to be a regular starter or they reach 21 and I sell them.

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3 hours ago, mbabbs said:

Personally I keep all my players until they reach 18 at which point I promote them to U23 if they are good enough or show them the door if they aren't. If they are playing regularly at U18 level and you have good coaches and facilities then that is the best place for them as you control their development.

At 18 if they are not good enough to play in my first team occasionally (10+ games) then I keep them for preseason and then loan them out for the first half of the season. The choice of club is important - they must have good facilities and he must be a regular first team starter and the league must be a challenge for the players level. I then recall them in January and train them for the final 6 months unless they are benefiting hugely from the loan. I repeat this until they are either good enough to be a regular starter or they reach 21 and I sell them.

Thanks for your respond mate.As you said I always take consider the level of facilities of the club that loan my player and squad status of the player for the regular first team player.Despite all,sometimes they train my promising or wonderkid player in a poisiton that is not his position.As you know training a player in a new position that he is not accomplished results attributes to drop.

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15 hours ago, whoopy said:

Thanks for your respond mate.As you said I always take consider the level of facilities of the club that loan my player and squad status of the player for the regular first team player.Despite all,sometimes they train my promising or wonderkid player in a poisiton that is not his position.As you know training a player in a new position that he is not accomplished results attributes to drop.

Yes it can be annoying which is why I always consider a recall in January. Having said that if a player is being played out of position, it can still be beneficial.

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I get the feeling that the game doesn’t respond well to squad rotation. Every time I make a few more changes, my team plays absolute garbage and lose deservedly. Regardless of matchshape.

With the centerbacks its the worst, if i change one of them i can be sure that the next game my defence plays way worse than usal.

 

Did you make the same experience?

 

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44 minutes ago, jusinho9 said:

I get the feeling that the game doesn’t respond well to squad rotation. Every time I make a few more changes, my team plays absolute garbage and lose deservedly. Regardless of matchshape.

With the centerbacks its the worst, if i change one of them i can be sure that the next game my defence plays way worse than usal.

 

Did you make the same experience?

 

Probably because of the chemistry of the players. When players play together long enough, they developed understanding among one another. Any changes will hurt the chemistry.

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8 minutes ago, vasilli07 said:

Probably because of the chemistry of the players. When players play together long enough, they developed understanding among one another. Any changes will hurt the chemistry.

 

Do you mean that in the shorttearm or in the longterm? F.e.: You play with a Centerbackpairing A B a few games then switch to A C and then after a few games back to A B. Does A B have chemistry then?

 

Its pretty annoyinng for me so far, I mean you have to rotate for various reasons. I just hope my sample size is too small and the cause is something else. :/

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3 hours ago, jusinho9 said:

 

Do you mean that in the shorttearm or in the longterm? F.e.: You play with a Centerbackpairing A B a few games then switch to A C and then after a few games back to A B. Does A B have chemistry then?

 

Its pretty annoyinng for me so far, I mean you have to rotate for various reasons. I just hope my sample size is too small and the cause is something else. :/

Depends. If the players have been together for long enough, then the chemistry would be good enough. IRL, managers always try to keep centerback pairing the same unless 1 of them gets injured or suspended. I practised the same thing in the game.

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I would look at the attributes of those CB rather than some mysterious "chemistry". For example if both of them got high aggression & teamwork it can end up by rushing to the same attacker.  I usually rotate a lot and I never found this issue. 

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Ok I can't seem to understand the idea behind AP-S and AP-A. One stays in the hole and spray passes, the other comes deep and runs at defences. But in theory, a support duty is willing to drop deep more often than an attack duty so what exactly is each of them doing?

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3 minutes ago, nightwalker22 said:

Ok I can't seem to understand the idea behind AP-S and AP-A. One stays in the hole and spray passes, the other comes deep and runs at defences. But in theory, a support duty is willing to drop deep more often than an attack duty so what exactly is each of them doing?

And the Support duty will do just that - come deep and also sit in the hole. The Attack duty will be a bit more aggressive with his positioning and as you said, will also run at defences.

Have a look at their Player Instruction screen for the differences in Mentality and instructions and also how they behave in a match.

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1 hour ago, HUNT3R said:

And the Support duty will do just that - come deep and also sit in the hole. The Attack duty will be a bit more aggressive with his positioning and as you said, will also run at defences.

Have a look at their Player Instruction screen for the differences in Mentality and instructions and also how they behave in a match.

Alright makes sense, one more thing, does the support AP contribute defensively or he just sits in the hole and eventually closes down players in his range?

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6 minutes ago, nightwalker22 said:

Alright makes sense, one more thing, does the support AP contribute defensively or he just sits in the hole and eventually closes down players in his range?

Not sure what you mean by contributing defensively. If you mean drop deep to defend, then yes, he will. This is also something that's really easy to check in a match.

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Why is it not possible to set up Shadow Striker's closing down to more or much more? Does it mean he's not involved much in pressing, like a Trequarista for example?

 

And if a role has a PI hardcoded in (for example FB-A has Cross More Often hardcoded in), will a respective TI counter its effect (like Work Ball into the Box in this example)?

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I've noticed that my goalkeeper is making some mistakes on corners where he comes out for the ball and gets nowhere near it. What attributes determine this? Communication, Command of Area, Aerial Ability all stick out but are there any others.

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I'm playing 433, which is going very well offensively but get gubbed on the flanks. We're being doubled up on every time and they have loads of space to whip in a simple ball which they often score from.

My set up is 2x WB (s), 2 x CD (def), midfield comprised of two B2B midfielders on the right and left and a CM (d) holding in the centre.

Basically, what I want to know is, what midfield roles will better cover the flanks? I thought the B2B might work but not enough. we get crucified on the flanks, especially when CPU plays 4231.

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Attacking or standard mentality, flexible, work ball into box, normal defensive line, close down more, lower tempo, prevent GK distribution, tight marking, short passing.

The wing backs are my only wide players and the PIs they have are stay wider, close down less, tackle harder, mark tighter, as well as get further forward and cross more often.

I play a narrow 3 in middle, expecting the B2Bs to join the AM (a), DLF (s) and CF (a) in offensive situations and defensively I want them to provide more cover for the flanks than they do. Maybe BWMs? However, that may take away the strength of the set up, which of course is goal scoring. My B2B midfielders have good teamwork and work rate stats as well as positioning.

I've tried changing WB(s) to FB (s) and while sits deeper and reduces some of the space, When the AI have a full back bombing on as well as a winger on each flank, we're hopelessly caught out. We conceded as much as we score and it's bit annoying.

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Slightly odd situation I haven't seen before, at least that I can recall. I'm managing Fulham and using George Williams as my primary left winger. His Match Fitness  keeps dropping to Lacking, but he's playing nearly every match. He has missed 6 of the last 20 matches, but his Match Fitness has dropped to Lacking 2 or 3 times. He has missed no more than 2 matches at a time, has not been injured, and his Natural Fitness is 15. I thought Natural Fitness was linked to Match Fitness and a player with relatively high Natural Fitness would retain their Match Fitness longer...? Would something else be affecting this?  I only have 1 Fitness coach for the 1st team but don't know if that would have a notable impact....?

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2 hours ago, bamb00zle said:

Attacking or standard mentality, flexible, work ball into box, normal defensive line, close down more, lower tempo, prevent GK distribution, tight marking, short passing.

The wing backs are my only wide players and the PIs they have are stay wider, close down less, tackle harder, mark tighter, as well as get further forward and cross more often.

I play a narrow 3 in middle, expecting the B2Bs to join the AM (a), DLF (s) and CF (a) in offensive situations and defensively I want them to provide more cover for the flanks than they do. Maybe BWMs? However, that may take away the strength of the set up, which of course is goal scoring. My B2B midfielders have good teamwork and work rate stats as well as positioning.

I've tried changing WB(s) to FB (s) and while sits deeper and reduces some of the space, When the AI have a full back bombing on as well as a winger on each flank, we're hopelessly caught out. We conceded as much as we score and it's bit annoying.

Maybe you can try using a halfback or anchorman. Both doesn't close down as much as a DM does. Or experiment with your AM and 1 striker marking their fullbacks?

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Why are some players training workloads heavy and some medium? The players are in my first team squad so have the same level of team training and match preparation, and they are both working on individual additional focus' but for some the workload is heavy and others it is medium. Any ideas why this is?

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In a 4-2-3-1, if you have two attacking fullbacks, are the two central midfielders supposed to close down more or less, in case you want to cover the space left behind by them.

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2 minutes ago, nightwalker22 said:

In a 4-2-3-1, if you have two attacking fullbacks, are the two central midfielders supposed to close down more or less, in case you want to cover the space left behind by them.

I'd be more concerned with them being conservative enough regarding moving from their position in front of the defence than anything else. They shouldn't create more space behind them.

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On 29/5/2017 at 12:20, markus_aurelius said:

can I force a player into the starting lineup of my youth team?

I have an amazing 16 years old but he's not been played at all...

Staff---responsibilities---under 20s---head coach (your name)

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A '' Driven '' regen  with professionalism 8 , must be tutored by a '' professional ''- with high professionalism  or better leave him '' driven '' ?

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17 minutes ago, roggiotis said:

A '' Driven '' regen  with professionalism 8 , must be tutored by a '' professional ''- with high professionalism  or better leave him '' driven '' ?

Players with higher Professionalism and Ambition become more likely to achieve their potential - they'll train better.

A "Driven" personality means he has very high (20 iirc) Determination and a fair amount of Ambition.

On balance I probably would tutor him, but I'd want to make sure he'll retain a lot of his existing Determination and Ambition by picking the right tutor.

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3 minutes ago, herne79 said:

Players with higher Professionalism and Ambition become more likely to achieve their potential - they'll train better.

A "Driven" personality means he has very high (20 iirc) Determination and a fair amount of Ambition.

On balance I probably would tutor him, but I'd want to make sure he'll retain a lot of his existing Determination and Ambition by picking the right tutor.

ok , i understood , thanx :thup:

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How do you feel that this formation will go? 4-1-2-3 on fluid and standard.

G (d)

FB (s) CD (d) CD (d) FB (a)

DLP (d)

CM (a) RPM (s)

W (a) DLF (a) IF (a)

TI: Player out of defence, Lower tempo, Look for the overlap.

PI: GK - Roll it out to CBS

Both FBs - Stay wider

DLF: Dribble less

 

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1 hour ago, Keano16 said:

How do you feel that this formation will go? 4-1-2-3 on fluid and standard.

G (d)

FB (s) CD (d) CD (d) FB (a)

DLP (d)

CM (a) RPM (s)

W (a) DLF (a) IF (a)

TI: Player out of defence, Lower tempo, Look for the overlap.

PI: GK - Roll it out to CBS

Both FBs - Stay wider

DLF: Dribble less

 

The left flank looks a bit aggressive, but as ever it'll depend on the players you have available and their suitability for the roles.  There's only one way to find out...;).

Start a test in FMT (no tactical familiarity nonsense to worry about, quick to get into matches), see how it looks.

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12 hours ago, herne79 said:

The left flank looks a bit aggressive, but as ever it'll depend on the players you have available and their suitability for the roles.  There's only one way to find out...;).

Start a test in FMT (no tactical familiarity nonsense to worry about, quick to get into matches), see how it looks.

Would your first idea be to switch the IF or FB first?

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1 hour ago, Keano16 said:

Would your first idea be to switch the IF or FB first?

Probably the IF to give you a difference to your other flank, but it would depend on available personnel and tactical balance.

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5 minutes ago, herne79 said:

Probably the IF to give you a difference to your other flank, but it would depend on available personnel and tactical balance.

Cheers man, do you know of anywhere that explains where certain roles move on the pitch? It would help me quite a bit I feel.

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30 minutes ago, markus_aurelius said:

that's probably a stupid question, but does picking the default database instead of the 17.3 also changes the match engine?

because it states "sports interactive 17.1" below the database.

No, just the database.

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Hello.

I've been trying to experiment with a 3-5-2 formation. I have been tweaking it a lot, and I ended up with no one on attack duty (though, while no player has an attacking duty, a few of them do behave in a more attacking way due to PPMs and PIs).

Now, my question regards the "pass into space" shout.

First of all, is this shout beneficial if there are no players on attacking duty making forward runs ?

Second, can this shout actually force a bit more movement from my players ?

 

I have tested it in game, and I can't say I've noticed a huge difference (albeit I've only played a couple of games).

 

Would love to have some insight on this shout and it's relation to player duty.

 

Thanks!

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Pass into space increases through balls, or if more familiar "More Risky Passes". It can work, if you actually have space to exploit. Players on support still attack space, but they are more balanced than an attack duty. I think it could be down to your Mentality and Team Shape too.

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