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I just have a few questions sorry if they've been answered already.

1) Would too many players up front with the instruction to make risky passes cause issues with a possession based tactic? For example I want to set up like this: IF (S) - SS (A) - IF (S) and then have a F9 spearheading the attacking 4. However all 4 of those roles have 'More Risky Passes' active which to me seems like they'd try and force the incisive pass a bit too much. Since none of the other roles really fit my team out wide (IF (A) I find would just be too attacking/too far forward to recycle possession properly) would it be best just to drop them as wide midfielders with the instruction to cut inside with the ball and get further forward as WM (S)?

2) In that same scenario would it really be lacking in width and thus better to go off with Wingbacks that sit narrower in defence? Or are Fullbacks under the support duty sufficient?

These might not be great questions to have answered here without more information but if they can be to the best of your ability that'd be great.

1 - It could do but depending on how intelligent the players are, they could make it work.

2 - It really depends what you want, either can work in a possession system. It just depends which way you go about creating that possession.

I haven't played FM since FM13 so I'm a bit out of touch with it atm.

Is it still recommended to pick your team shape based on how many specialists you're using or is that an old and outdated way of looking at things?

That was only every a guide and not a hard and fast rule. If you want to simplify it, then just take this into consideration

First, the Team Shape setting has been streamlined to make it less convoluted and easier to understand. It still affects differences in mentality and creative freedom, but now, "Very Fluid" means the team will tend to be more compact (with more creative freedom) whilst "Highly Structured" means the team will tend to spread out more back-to-front (with less creative freedom) with Fluid/Flexible/Structured simply being sequential steps between those two extremes.
Hello,

I really don't know where i have to post this question so i post it here.

I want to know how i can choose coachs? DDM still work?

Yes DDM is still 90% of the make up of good coaches.

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I am too stupid for this game.

How to watch matchs properly in full match and spot something?. Or maybe its just my concentration if i was a Football manager player my concentration would be 1.

So. How to spot them spaces like Cleon spots in full match. I just cant see nothing or, if i see some space, I dont know how to exploit it. Or how to deal with the computers crossing.

Last match played football manager. Oldham 6-1 Scunthorpe. Enough is enough.

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I am too stupid for this game.

How to watch matchs properly in full match and spot something?. Or maybe its just my concentration if i was a Football manager player my concentration would be 1.

So. How to spot them spaces like Cleon spots in full match. I just cant see nothing or, if i see some space, I dont know how to exploit it. Or how to deal with the computers crossing.

Last match played football manager. Oldham 6-1 Scunthorpe. Enough is enough.

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I am too stupid for this game.

How to watch matchs properly in full match and spot something?. Or maybe its just my concentration if i was a Football manager player my concentration would be 1.

So. How to spot them spaces like Cleon spots in full match. I just cant see nothing or, if i see some space, I dont know how to exploit it. Or how to deal with the computers crossing.

Last match played football manager. Oldham 6-1 Scunthorpe. Enough is enough.

Oh, I am in this situation. Frustrating.

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I am too stupid for this game.

How to watch matchs properly in full match and spot something?. Or maybe its just my concentration if i was a Football manager player my concentration would be 1.

So. How to spot them spaces like Cleon spots in full match. I just cant see nothing or, if i see some space, I dont know how to exploit it. Or how to deal with the computers crossing.

Last match played football manager. Oldham 6-1 Scunthorpe. Enough is enough.

Hello,

Maybe i did not understand properly your post but this is my anwser...

When i look a full match game it is for see what is good or not good in my team (Players, Tactic).

Tactic:

I try to see if my team play like i want (pressing, defending, attacking...).

Players:

I try to see if my players respect what i ask them

If nothing is how i like, i try to change the team instructions or the players instructions.

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Not sure if this is the right place for this but hopefully someone can help, basically is there a way to stop players randomly having a major all round stat drop for no apparent reason at various times of the season?? im having real trouble developing the stats of a lot of my players because every few months they seem to drop for no reason at all before picking up again a few weeks/months later?? is there something i should be doing differently regards training? ive got my general training set to balanced throughout the season on average intensity which i initially thought may be the issue and need upping but as soon as i up the intensity to high i get a load more training injuries which figures, so my solution was to slightly lower the amount of match training my team was doing this way my players do a bit extra training on their abilities without me raising the intensity causing injury issues, for a while this seemed to work but again ive just had half a dozen of my squad randomly drop in a load of stats and im not sure why? none of these players have been injured in fact all of them have been playing regularly and superbly well and they all say they are happy with training so its not making any sense to me.

Would appreciate any advice/tips.

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When i look a full match game it is for see what is good or not good in my team (Players, Tactic).

Tactic:

I try to see if my team play like i want (pressing, defending, attacking...).

Players:

I try to see if my players respect what i ask them

If nothing is how i like, i try to change the team instructions or the players instructions.

This is the perfect answer. If you know how you want to play (and that's every player: who overlaps, who makes runs, who stays back to defend, who holds up the ball) and can't see issues in the full match, there's an issue. A common issue seems to be the people don't 100% know how they want to play, and if you don't know that, then you can't know where to start to look for issues. Always focus on your team and whether it functions as you want.

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I'm very happy with my current system at Inter. We're playing a 4-1-2-2-1 with a flat back four, DM, two CMs, AMR/AML and lone striker.

The only thing I'm noticing on occasions that annoys me is sometimes my left winger (W-S) will be a bit isolated and runs out of passing options in the middle so goes back to the left-back (FB-S).

This is fine but I'd always like him to have a central outlet. My DM was an anchorman and my two CMs were BBM and DLP-S (the BBM was the last of the two to stop him 'bumping into my IF-A at AMR). I tried changing the anchorman to a DM-D but haven't seen a whole lot of difference in that respect although he does seem to occupy the space of the DLP-S at times which is annoying.

Are there any other options or roles I could try that might work better (particularly at DM)? It's not a massive issue but I'm always looking to improve the system if possible. Cheers.

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From the start of the game I wanted to achive a certian style of football. To simplify, my aim in tactic was to creat a bit of Simeone and Ancelotti at the same time in 4-4-2. Narrow and aggressive in defense, "pass and move" with the ball. As I really do care about balance, I tried to play flexible and standard. Well, now I'm here struggling to score goals and even defend.

I wrote down three questions I wanted to ask, because I'm stil concerned about these tactical changes.

1. Is it right to play 2 wide playmakers on attack duty? Or maybe it will make my team too narrow and toothless in final third?

2. I'm quite sure about it, but just need a confirmation. Using WP"s and Roaming playmaker (or any duty with "playmaker" line) will make team too much posession orientated and furthemore, I believe the will double in some places at the pitch?

3. So as I understand, playing narrow or wide is now more about positioning. And if I want my team to attack down the middle, it comes natural to me to play wider, but exploiting the middle? But doesn't making whole team posistions wider expose my aim to defend narrow? Or maybe I'm getting it wrong and it ought to be narrow and expolit the flanks, as I will be tight in defense and try to play wider offensively?

Thanks in advance for all answers!

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What is the difference between having the BWM role in the def. mid. slot and the central midfielder one, in terms of tactical usefulness? That is, when would one want to put a BWM in the DM slot? I read that it's not a real holding midfielder.

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What is the difference between having the BWM role in the def. mid. slot and the central midfielder one, in terms of tactical usefulness? That is, when would one want to put a BWM in the DM slot? I read that it's not a real holding midfielder.

Right, so he isn't a classic holding mid, because obviously he won't hold his position but aggressively close down a ball carrier that comes into his range. Using him in the DM slot means that he operates deeper- both starting out and how far forward he ventures. This is the difference. It's tactical usefulness is relative to your overall tactical plan, so there is no single answer to this. I do use a BWM in the DM slot if I want to the deeper security the role offers and/or a different offensive look, but it all depends on how you read the offensive threat. If you don't have to have him providing a full time screen for your d-line, then it is a very useful role in breaking up attacks. Again, like everything, it is situational to your match situation and tactical plan.

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Hello, I am trying to create a tactic based on the counterattack, with a very solid defense but attack enough, however is not working, I have few opportunities to score, can anyone help me?

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playing with a 4-1-2-2-1, using two IF (s), along with CS (s) and in central midfield an AP (a). Trying to get the IF to more penetrative in the final third but don't want to have the attack duty for either (or both) as I want to keep a shape to invite possession football. If I give them an instruction on support duty to get further forward when team has the ball - will that in fact just mean they are on an attack duty in theory? Or will I see a support duty role but with a bit more attacking intent?

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playing with a 4-1-2-2-1, using two IF (s), along with CS (s) and in central midfield an AP (a). Trying to get the IF to more penetrative in the final third but don't want to have the attack duty for either (or both) as I want to keep a shape to invite possession football. If I give them an instruction on support duty to get further forward when team has the ball - will that in fact just mean they are on an attack duty in theory? Or will I see a support duty role but with a bit more attacking intent?

Won't be as attacking as an Attack Duty as the inherent Mentality will still be lower, but it will be more assertive than a basic Support Duty with no PI. Mentality at a team level will also influence his behaviour.

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Hi guys. Quick query. I often read it as one of the givens of LLM that your players can't cope with sophisticated tactics. My Curzon Ashton team have done well with a narrow, direct 4-3-3, and in part I think it works because of its simplicity. However, I'd love to try something off the wall, like a Brazilian box or a strikerless, with a new Curzon save. Is this simply impossible with players that have Positioning 7, Anticipation 6 etc? Or will it just require a lot more fine tuning? Thanks

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When defining your manager profile. Does setting your preferred formation for example to 442 mean that the team you pick to control are more accomplished in familiarity with that formation rather than if you choose 352? Or doesn't it matter?

No, I don't believe it has anything to do with it. You are familiar with it, but your players won't be.

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Hi guys. Quick query. I often read it as one of the givens of LLM that your players can't cope with sophisticated tactics. My Curzon Ashton team have done well with a narrow, direct 4-3-3, and in part I think it works because of its simplicity. However, I'd love to try something off the wall, like a Brazilian box or a strikerless, with a new Curzon save. Is this simply impossible with players that have Positioning 7, Anticipation 6 etc? Or will it just require a lot more fine tuning? Thanks

It is not a given with LLM at all. Any tactic can work at any level if you have the right players *for the level* for it. You will see more mistakes, of course, but you see those anyway. The thing to bear in mind is yes, you might have a positioning, anticipation of 5-8 or thereabouts, but what kind of players are they up against? Equally as poor so there is a relativity at work.

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I have spent a lot of time to get the right youth setup and the best HOYD I can find. I was excited this year to find 3-4 newgens who look like real prospects. But when I checked the coach reports two of them could have real problems with injuries and one might have......it certainly ruined my excitement.

Is this just luck of the draw or does something in the club setup influence newgens injury tendencies? And does the injury tendency every change or will they have a real problem with injuries when they are 25, not 15?

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I have spent a lot of time to get the right youth setup and the best HOYD I can find. I was excited this year to find 3-4 newgens who look like real prospects. But when I checked the coach reports two of them could have real problems with injuries and one might have......it certainly ruined my excitement.

Is this just luck of the draw or does something in the club setup influence newgens injury tendencies? And does the injury tendency every change or will they have a real problem with injuries when they are 25, not 15?

Nothing due to the academy influences it and it can't change.

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Hi,

If i'm playing with a big team, and usually my opponents play very denfensly and compact in the back... does it make sence to use the "pass into space" shout?

Or is it a shout more useful to play when adopting a counter ou defense tactic?

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Hi,

If i'm playing with a big team, and usually my opponents play very denfensly and compact in the back... does it make sence to use the "pass into space" shout?

Or is it a shout more useful to play when adopting a counter ou defense tactic?

If your opponent is deep and compact, where is the space to pass into? :brock:

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Is there are bug with crosses? Almost always conceede because of a cross. Often my fullbacks dont take out (misses interception) the crosser. Play 442

The way defenders position themselves and react to crosses looks a bit ropey at times, but the absolute number of goals stemming from that source is in line with real life.

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Is it possible to unlearn the PPM, Gets Into Opposition Area? I can't find that option.

Yes it's in the same exact same place you learnt it. Or in that list of PPM's. It's just the wording will have changed now and will say something like 'ask x to stop getting into the oppositions area' rather than the usual 'ask x to get into the oppositions area'

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I was wondering of anyone can help me, when you select the option for your u21s to use your tactics does this mean they use the same mentality, shape, roles/duties and instructions? Or do they simply use the formation. I developed a tactic and tired it out with the u21s and the amount of ccc's and goals was spectacular and the football played was fantastic. Yet when I use it for my 1st team it isn't anywhere near the "joga bonito" of the reserves. Any thoughts?

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Can you find it with the editor provided with the game? Or the In Game Editor?

Yes the editor that come with the game allows you to see that- I just fired it up. I feel dirty now . . . :D

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As far as stupid questions go, this is a good one. Its rather long so bare with me.

I have been playing FM for over a decade, yet i dont think ive watched the sport for more then 5 minutes in real life. I dont dislike it, I just dont watch it. Here in the states its not on as much as it is elsewhere. here is my stupid question....

Ive always downloaded tactics to use, I am now tired of that and want to use my own but i have really no understanding of roles and what each does etc. I couldnt tell you the difference between a deep lying forward and a false nine to save my life. I was wondering if anyone could suggest some reading so that i may better understand what each does and to better understand whats happening in a tactic so that i can make good choices when i try to create one from scratch. Keeping in mind that im not well versed in even the most basic of tactic understanding and knowledge.

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Am I better to put my talented youngsters into the U21 squad or keep them in the U18 team? Assuming they are under 19 years old and if the coaches are equally good? Do they develop more quickly or have different volumes of training or is it pretty negligible?

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As far as stupid questions go, this is a good one. Its rather long so bare with me.

I have been playing FM for over a decade, yet i dont think ive watched the sport for more then 5 minutes in real life. I dont dislike it, I just dont watch it. Here in the states its not on as much as it is elsewhere. here is my stupid question....

Ive always downloaded tactics to use, I am now tired of that and want to use my own but i have really no understanding of roles and what each does etc. I couldnt tell you the difference between a deep lying forward and a false nine to save my life. I was wondering if anyone could suggest some reading so that i may better understand what each does and to better understand whats happening in a tactic so that i can make good choices when i try to create one from scratch. Keeping in mind that im not well versed in even the most basic of tactic understanding and knowledge.

It'll be good to start in the game itself. Take a look at the descriptions of the roles. You also have Key Attributes, giving you an idea of what's needed in the role and what the role will focus the player on doing. Then there is the PI screen where you can see what he's asked to do within the role as well.

Lastly, nothing beats watching a few minutes in full of the role in action.

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Say you're primarily a 'counter-attack' side and when playing teams that you are superior to technically/ability wise... what should you look to change? Especially if they set-up like a Pulis side.

In what ways 'in-game' do say a Simeone's Atleti and say a Palace counter attack side manifest themselves differently?

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So I been getting some good results now, when my team is fluid on my formation 442 and roles. Still a bit vulnerable against crosses but still better then earlier. I have a question about a problem: often my cd let the oppositions striker score without any marking(losing marking) very easy, I have my cd marking tight but still they often lose the marking, why is that and what can I do? Even with two cd around the striker they often seem to be just looking at the striker and let him score

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So I been getting some good results now, when my team is fluid on my formation 442 and roles. Still a bit vulnerable against crosses but still better then earlier. I have a question about a problem: often my cd let the oppositions striker score without any marking(losing marking) very easy, I have my cd marking tight but still they often lose the marking, why is that and what can I do? Even with two cd around the striker they often seem to be just looking at the striker and let him score

Marking tight? Any other instructions such as tackle hard and etc? The defender issue could be down to his own attributes, concentration and etc. He may have as seen another player Un marked? Definitely need to see some screenshots or something mate.

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Say you're primarily a 'counter-attack' side and when playing teams that you are superior to technically/ability wise... what should you look to change? Especially if they set-up like a Pulis side.

In what ways 'in-game' do say a Simeone's Atleti and say a Palace counter attack side manifest themselves differently?

I'd change it to an attacking side with the defence dropped deeper to prevent the long balls, put more pressure on the opposition.

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So I been getting some good results now, when my team is fluid on my formation 442 and roles. Still a bit vulnerable against crosses but still better then earlier. I have a question about a problem: often my cd let the oppositions striker score without any marking(losing marking) very easy, I have my cd marking tight but still they often lose the marking, why is that and what can I do? Even with two cd around the striker they often seem to be just looking at the striker and let him score

Sounds like its players attributes (lack of marking / concentration) unless they're trying to play offside and someone plays them on.

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