Jibby123 Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 Ok, nice one, thanks. If that's how it is, seems pretty straightforward. Could be useful as a tool for those 16-17 year old up and comings. I assume if I load the Spanish leagues down to 3rd tier there's a good chance of Malaga B team being in a loaded/competitive league? (I get that your B team and A team will never play in the same div, but getting them to the 2nd tier might happen?). Thanks vieres. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jibby123 Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 Check out Jaime Campos in the U19s. He's a 17 yr old CB, and is 4ft 11ins tall on my demo save. That's nuts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 Ok, nice one, thanks. If that's how it is, seems pretty straightforward. Could be useful as a tool for those 16-17 year old up and comings.I assume if I load the Spanish leagues down to 3rd tier there's a good chance of Malaga B team being in a loaded/competitive league? (I get that your B team and A team will never play in the same div, but getting them to the 2nd tier might happen?). Thanks vieres. A few seasons ago Malaga's B team got promoted to the "segunad " which is the league below La Liga. Spanish rules sate that an "A" team can't play in the same league as the "B" team. So if Malaga's B team got promoted from the segunda, they wouldn't go up. Their promotion place will be passed down the league. Barcelona B who play in the segunda nearly got promoted last season. Malaga B now play in the league blow the segunda Hope this makes sense Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathxxx Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 Reserve teams in the Spanish football league system play in the same football pyramid as their senior team rather than a separate league. However reserve teams cannot play in the same division as their senior team. Therefore the team is ineligible for promotion to the Primera Division. Reserve teams are also no longer permitted to enter the Copa del Rey. With regards to managing a club with a B team in FM, I have to admit I'm a little sketchy, having not managed a club with a B team in a playable division to make the best use of. As far as I'm aware, players can move freely between the main team and the B team, but once they've played a certain amount of games for one team, they must remain with that team and can't flit back to the other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathxxx Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 Ok, nice one, thanks. If that's how it is, seems pretty straightforward. Could be useful as a tool for those 16-17 year old up and comings.I assume if I load the Spanish leagues down to 3rd tier there's a good chance of Malaga B team being in a loaded/competitive league? (I get that your B team and A team will never play in the same div, but getting them to the 2nd tier might happen?). Thanks vieres. Atlético Malagueño, Málaga's B team play in Tercera División - Group 9. The Tercera División currently features 361 teams divided into 18 regional groups, corresponding to the Autonomous communities of Spain (due to its huge size, Andalucia is divided into two different groups). Each Group is administered by a regional football federation. At the end of the season the first four teams in each group qualify for promotion play-offs to decide which teams are promoted to Segunda División B. The three teams finishing bottom of each group may be relegated to the Divisiones Regionales de Fútbol. However the number of teams relegated can vary. The eighteen group champions also qualify for the following season's Copa del Rey. However reserve teams are ineligible. Along with teams from Segunda División B, the remaining teams from the division compete in the Copa Federación.Beginning with the 2008-09 season, the eighteen group winners will have the opportunity to be promoted directly to the Segunda División B. The 18 group winners will be drawn into a two-legged series where the nine winners will be promoted to the Segunda División B. The nine losing clubs enter the playoff round for the last nine promotion spots. The 18 runners-up will be drawn against one of the seventeen fourth-place clubs outside their group and the 18 third-placed clubs are drawn against one another in a two-legged series. The twenty-seven winners advance with the nine losing clubs from the champions' series to determine the 18 teams that will enter the last two-legged series for the last nine promotion spots. In all the playoff series, the lower-ranked club plays at home first. Whenever there is a tie in position (e.g. like the group winners in the champions' series or the third-placed teams in the first round), a draw will determine the club to play at home first. (To quote Wikipedia) In FM terms, reputation plays a large part in clubs being promoted to the lowest playable divisions in the game, but (this is not confirmed) I understand that by sending players to a non-playable B team, you can slightly aid their chances of promotion. All the Tercera División clubs are featured in the game database and results are roughly calculated "in the background", so to speak. So playing with Málaga CF, if you're lucky, you may see Atlético Malagueño promoted to Segunda B. The problem until they do, is that insofar as developing players in the meantime they may be of little use. Finding another feeder club in a playable division might be more beneficial. That's what I tend to do with Granada CF, who's B team is another tier down from Atlético Malagueño and will never get promoted in FM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathxxx Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 I can confirm that number as I was one of those 2000 expats. I was at the Granda game, did you not see the huge st George cross with the Malaga ultras? The British fans have been embraced by the locals and they travel to most away games which is rare in Spain. How good was Cazorla in the 4-0????!!!! If you're going to the return match at Nuevo Los Cármenes, you'll have to send me a message. I know where the best tapas bars are near the stadium. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jibby123 Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 Atlético Malagueño, Málaga's B team play in Tercera División - Group 9.(To quote Wikipedia) In FM terms, reputation plays a large part in clubs being promoted to the lowest playable divisions in the game, but (this is not confirmed) I understand that by sending players to a non-playable B team, you can slightly aid their chances of promotion. All the Tercera División clubs are featured in the game database and results are roughly calculated "in the background", so to speak. So playing with Málaga CF, if you're lucky, you may see Atlético Malagueño promoted to Segunda B. The problem until they do, is that insofar as developing players in the meantime they may be of little use. Finding another feeder club in a playable division might be more beneficial. That's what I tend to do with Granada CF, who's B team is another tier down from Atlético Malagueño and will never get promoted in FM. Ahh, excellent, got you. I am pretty intense on developing youth as part of the club so it's (the B team) and loaning out youth is a biggie +/- on me playing in Spain, so thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathxxx Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 Some people use the editor to bump their B teams up to the Segunda B. If you do this you have to be careful you don't nerf the database though, which can sometimes cause the game to crash. If anyone plans to do this with Atlético Malagueño (by "promoting" them to the Segunda B4), you need to replace them in Tercera División - Group 9, with another team from either Málaga or Granada provinces, however you can also include teams from Ceuta or Melilla. As there's no teams from Granada or Málaga provinces currently in Segunda B4, the easiest thing to do is to switch Atlético Malagueño with either Ceuta or Melilla. So for example, you'd promote Atlético Malagueño to Segunda B4 and demote Ceuta to Tercera División - Group 9 in the editor. The database will then work fine, without risk of crashes. Other than that, just cross your fingers and wait for them to "appear". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jibby123 Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 Some people use the editor to bump their B teams up to the Segunda B. If you do this you have to be careful you don't nerf the database though, which can sometimes cause the game to crash.If anyone plans to do this with Atlético Malagueño (by "promoting" them to the Segunda B4), you need to replace them in Tercera División - Group 9, with another team from either Málaga or Granada provinces, however you can also include teams from Ceuta or Melilla. As there's no teams from Granada or Málaga provinces currently in Segunda B4, the easiest thing to do is to switch Atlético Malagueño with either Ceuta or Melilla. So for example, you'd promote Atlético Malagueño to Segunda B4 and demote Ceuta to Tercera División - Group 9 in the editor. The database will then work fine, without risk of crashes. Other than that, just cross your fingers and wait for them to "appear". Nice one and thanks for explaining who they need to 'swap' with, think I might do just that. Malaga it is for me on my first FM12 save. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
porph Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 Really good opening posts there, a great set up. Regarding B teams, In 2011 there was what I saw as a bug with the B teams when it came to tutoring. If you moved a player from the B team to either the A team or the u19s, the tutoring would be cancelled. I found the best strategy was to intensely tutor the players until their mental attributes were satisfactory whilst also giving them u19 games then just phase them into the first team. Can anybody confirm if this is still the case on 2012? I imagine it was due to the B team being seeing as a separate entity much like sending a player to an external affiliate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEinchy Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 I usually don't like teams that are funded by sugar-daddies, but I'm strangely attracted to Malaga so I'm going to give them a go. Excellent team guide, Llew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llew_Arshavin23 Posted October 15, 2011 Author Share Posted October 15, 2011 Afternoon from Canada! Just popping on to check on the progress of the thread; and see what else is ahppening about the place. Expecting atleast 2 pages when I get back to Britain in early November Canada is brilliant. They have ALL the Premier League matches live. Unbelieavable. Enjoy your demo saves with Málaga CF lads VAMOS MÁLAGA! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suggy33 Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Off topic - What's the deal with you being in Canada? Just wondering Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llew_Arshavin23 Posted October 15, 2011 Author Share Posted October 15, 2011 Off topic - What's the deal with you being in Canada? Just wondering I have family over here so I'm just paying a 2½ week visit Football coverage over here is much different! All based on statistics and 'win records' etc. Looking forward to tomorrow's game; Come on you Gooners! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purefun Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Boccheti good enough for Malaga? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llew_Arshavin23 Posted October 17, 2011 Author Share Posted October 17, 2011 Definitely; when I was last on my demo save, which must've been a week or so ago, I signed Atletico Madrid's Alvaro Dominguez for about 8 million. One of the best deals going, in my opinion. He would be a good, viable option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbrunton01 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Formmy demo save I signed Rossi, leandro Damiao and ganso and they were on fire! I also put Cahill in defence. Thinking ill sign these players again and try sell more players and buy Landon Donovan. Less than 3 days now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purefun Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Can someone put up an ss of what the players are earning a month? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernGooner Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Not long now guys, Can't wait to start this save when the game comes out, I haven't played the demo because it ruins it for me, I'm even doing this save ahead of my Arsenal save Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbrunton01 Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 What do you think malagas sugardaddy rating will be in the editor (foreground, background or underwriter)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llew_Arshavin23 Posted October 20, 2011 Author Share Posted October 20, 2011 What do you think malagas sugardaddy rating will be in the editor (foreground, background or underwriter)? I'm hoping it will be 'foreground sugardaddy' because, as we've seen throughout the summer, large amounts of cash has been splashed about; maybe not on the Transfer Fee side of things but, I'm pretty sure that Van Nistelrooy, Cazorla and Toulalan would all demand a rather large weekly wage. Sorry about all the confusuion in the OP lads, I'm in the middle of changing it and, when you're away from your regular laptop, it's pretty frustrating! Bare with me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Great work on the thread Llew, Malaga look an interesting prospect to manage, with the right signings you could most certainly contend for a champs league place pretty quickly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbrunton01 Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Can't wait to get in tomorrow and start a large database and get scouting players! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yougottalovejose Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 I'm hoping it will be 'foreground sugardaddy' because, as we've seen throughout the summer, large amounts of cash has been splashed about; maybe not on the Transfer Fee side of things but, I'm pretty sure that Van Nistelrooy, Cazorla and Toulalan would all demand a rather large weekly wage.Sorry about all the confusuion in the OP lads, I'm in the middle of changing it and, when you're away from your regular laptop, it's pretty frustrating! Bare with me. Hello Guys's - I am about to come back from my FM sabbatical and looking forward to getting on the game tonight. Canyou tell me what the difference is between 'foreground, background and underwriter' sugar daddy is? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purefun Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 2 hours and 35 minutes. :ooooooooooooooooooooh: Took monday and tuesday off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbrunton01 Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Foreground is a owner like Man City's who continually invest money into the club throughout the season Background is a owner who spends enough to make the team a force within the league but once they achieve this level will stop putting money into the team Underwriter is a owner who doesn't give any extra transfer money etc but will clear the clubs debts at the end of the season if they have any Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yougottalovejose Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Thanks Cbrunton. think iv got it now.. Foreground - Man City Owner (Sheikh Mansour I think his name is) Background - Randy Lerner (Aston Villa) Underwriter - Dave Whelan (Wigan) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbrunton01 Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Yeah, well done on thinking on the further 2 examples I struggled. You should go malaga, in the demo they had £25m transfer if you said you would win them the title. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llew_Arshavin23 Posted October 21, 2011 Author Share Posted October 21, 2011 My OP is now practically done I will inevitably chop and change various aspects of it but, Woo-Hoo! Although, I'm now gonna have to wait about 10 days until I get back home to FM12 Good Luck with your Málaga saves though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiecraigstart Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 finally woken up and about to start this save up (couldnt stay up last night too tired) looking forward to it! anyone had any luck with tevez joining? or? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llew_Arshavin23 Posted October 21, 2011 Author Share Posted October 21, 2011 I had a bid accepted for Tevez but he refuses to discuss a transfer. I think it was AcidBurn who posted that earlier up the thread; you could always try of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiecraigstart Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 hi all, hope this thread starts up abit lol! heres my progress so far, pre season finished results included; 2-1 win against Leeds United away, 1-1 Hertha (won on pens semi final friendly cup), 1-1 Liverpool (won on pens in final of friendly cup), 4-0 win against Jaen away and 3-1 win against cordoba away. Transfers in; Erik Pieters, brought in for competiton for the LB spot (2.1 mil), Alvaro Dominguez, Strong CB will partner Demi, already earned his first Spain cap whilst he joined us (6 mil), Carlos Kameni, brilliant shot stopper, first class keeper (5.25 mil), Douglas Costa, great potential, should make the CAM his own (9 mil), Siphiwe Tshabalala, great energy, will back up the wingers, couldnt resist the price (400k). All in all happy with my signings, all under the age of 30. Only player to go out at the moment is Eliseu, not in my plans at all (2.4 mil). Got Sevilla away first game of the season, gonna be a tough game, my starting 11 will look something like this; Kameni, Gamez, Demi, Dominguez, Montreal, Toulalan, Joaquin, Maresca, Baptista, Cazorla, Rondon. Wish me luck! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyp Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 I'm getting the game full on Wednesday and have decided I am definitely starting a game with Málaga. Looks like an exciting prospect, and with (hopefully) the long-term foundations to eventually challenge Barca and Real. Bring it on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llew_Arshavin23 Posted October 22, 2011 Author Share Posted October 22, 2011 Robbiecraigstart - Good Luck with your save mate; I hope this thread livens up a bit too Anyway, some good calculated signings there. Nothing massive but, some good deals. Erik Pieters should do a very good job as competition for Monreal. Dominguez is another good buy for as cheap as 6 million too. What formation do you intend on playing against Sevilla? Good Luck anyway. Andyp - Glad to hear it mate. Hope you do well. That's one thing that got me so interested in Malaga and their team; the massive challenge ahead of them to try to knock Real Madrid and Barca from their perch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
man_utd_fan Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 Started a save with Malaga. It looks like it's going to be a lot of fun! Trying to sign Borja Valero and some defenders and some youth players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiecraigstart Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 Llew - I started with a 4-5-1 but in game changed to a 4-4-1-1, ended up drawing 0-0 away which I was pretty pleased about! Douglas costa should of scored 3 but then again they should of scored a few!! Granada at home next game haven't played much this weekend so will no doubt be on later! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llew_Arshavin23 Posted October 23, 2011 Author Share Posted October 23, 2011 Okay mate, keep us up-to-date with your save as you go along Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue_magic Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 I have just started my save, looking to build at this club for a few seasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llew_Arshavin23 Posted October 23, 2011 Author Share Posted October 23, 2011 Good Luck mate. Keep us up-to-date with your save Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue_magic Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 I can't seem to sign any of your suggested signings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcidBurn Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 What's the second season transfer budget like? Someone in GD said they got hardly anything at all despite getting into Europe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackreyes Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Started a game, bought mostly youths. Arsenal inexplicably paid the £17.75m release clause on Rondon in January... I was totally shocked. Bought in Kadlec and Muniain to replace him, both of whom look like they're going to be amazing. Cazorla is nothing short of a God. I'll post my second season budgets soon-ish. I'm in 4th after 25 games so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
man_utd_fan Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Getting Valero for 11 Million, happy with that. Not happy with everyone bidding for Juanmi Bought in Kadlec and Muniain to replace him, both of whom look like they're going to be amazing. How much did you get Muniain for? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackreyes Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 How much did you get Muniain for? Ended up paying his release in the end, £21m probably could've got him for a bit less, but deadline day was approaching and I needed someone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evanescent Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 What's the second season transfer budget like? Someone in GD said they got hardly anything at all despite getting into Europe. Not sure how everyone else is doing but you leak money every month so by the time 2nd season starts, you don't get given much of a transfer budget as your balance is low. I just completed my first season (finished 3rd) and tried to be as fiscally conservative as possible (especially with player wages and contracts) but it's so difficult to stem the leaking. Even if you can get rid of few guys and trim the squad, it has a miniscule overall effect on your balance. I have a transfer budget for 2nd season that exceeds my balance (£15.22m for transfers, balance of £10.9m). Only spent a net of £3.4m on transfers but lost £38.8m for the year. Income generated is nowhere near enough to cover costs. For example, non-football costs and end of season ground maintenance cost you £14.3m but you only make £4.5m on gate receipts for the whole season. Can honestly say the only area I can cut back on is staff wages but even if I eliminate my whole staff, I'd have lost £26m for the year. Doing all my transfers since Jan 1st season onwards over 48mths just to lessen the strain on my balance. After finishing 3rd, I have entry into the Champions League groups so I'm hoping that can assist financially. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llew_Arshavin23 Posted October 24, 2011 Author Share Posted October 24, 2011 I can't seem to sign any of your suggested signings. Not even the likes of Dominguez, Kameni and Javi Martinez? I can only think that it is a reputation issue; once you achieve qualification to European football, I'm sure most of my rcommended targets would happily join the mighty force of Malaga! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackreyes Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Wow, just wow.. Fantastic budgets. Sigh. I get £800k/pw wages and £533k transfer. The balance is £2.5m... Time to start selling I suppose. (I also finished 3rd by the way). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llew_Arshavin23 Posted October 24, 2011 Author Share Posted October 24, 2011 Seriously? That may mean that SI have given Malaga a 'Background Sugardaddy'!? If that is the case... Is anyone priviledged enough to be able to pop onto the FM12 Editor and chack? Another possible explanation is that the board are attempting to fight off the club's debt henceforth lowering the club's transfer budgets for a season or two? I hope that is the case rather than a background sugardaddy which allows you to have success but, once success is achieved, the chairman [Al-Thani in Malaga's case] won't pump as much money into the club... Much appreciated if someone does find out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evanescent Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Seriously?That may mean that SI have given Malaga a 'Background Sugardaddy'!? If that is the case... Is anyone priviledged enough to be able to pop onto the FM12 Editor and chack? Another possible explanation is that the board are attempting to fight off the club's debt henceforth lowering the club's transfer budgets for a season or two? I hope that is the case rather than a background sugardaddy which allows you to have success but, once success is achieved, the chairman [Al-Thani in Malaga's case] won't pump as much money into the club... Much appreciated if someone does find out Sometimes I wonder where my income is going...certainly not on the books Did a search on the forums... check http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/280260-List-of-all-Sugar-Daddy-Clubs?highlight=sugar+daddy Acidburn's post has a list of all the sugardaddy teams...Malaga is background. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackreyes Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 In fairness, the board did say they'd buy the stadium... Maybe that explains it. It's still in planning though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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