why? Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 3 goals without creative tour de force Charlie Adam. Amazing. Nice of Everton to not turn up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emersonlfc Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I'll bet my left bollix that Adam starts on Sunday Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshyboy1984 Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Everton horrendous. Us finally look more dangerous with someone with an end product getting forward. But still don't like any pairing of our midfielders in a 4-4-2. So many gaps in behind them, Carragher and Skrtel didn't put a foot wrong though. Can we stop playing Henderson wide right please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian McFarland Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 If we're playing 4-4-2 he's either out right or on the bench. I agree regarding midfield pairings though, but I think Gerrard and Spearing is the preference if we are playing that. Carroll and Suarez should start far more together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emersonlfc Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Everton horrendous. Us finally look more dangerous with someone with an end product getting forward. But still don't like any pairing of our midfielders in a 4-4-2. So many gaps in behind them, Carragher and Skrtel didn't put a foot wrong though. Can we stop playing Henderson wide right please? Henderson transfer has came a season too early if you ask me. Don't doubt he can be great and has the right skills and attributes but its clear to see he isn't a wide player and its getting beyond ridiculous playing him out there and I can also see why we can't play him and Gerrard together in the middle. Totally agree with Spearing/Gerrard partnership is currently our best as Spearing is prepared to run about like a little rabbit and close people down. Really wish Lucas was fit though. Really hope Luis and Carroll get more games. Luis was brilliant tonight, his runs off the ball were great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofighter23 Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 we looked so much better tonight without adam and i think it proved the point made earlier. no moaning and groaning the 10 or so times a match adam ****s it up and ruins any momentum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshyboy1984 Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Agree that Gerrard and Spearing is the closest we'll get to getting 4-4-2 right (whilst Lucas is out at least) but against a decent performance from the opposition it's still not preferential to a Spearing/Gerrard and then one of Henderson or Adam in most situations. I feel like a dick moaning when we've won a derby 3-0 but there's so much space in midfield if someone in better form than Pienaar comes up against it's so, so risky. We have such a lopsided squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshyboy1984 Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 It's all about the 3-5-2 next season tbh. Reina. Skrtel, Coates, Agger. Johnson, Lucas, Henderson, Gerrard, Enrique. Suarez, Carroll. Wing back renaissance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeafParrot Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 That setup could actually work, especially the way Agger, Skrtel and Coates are all comfortable bringing the ball out of defence and stepping up. Would be a hell of a lot more balanced that it is currently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony7 Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Played well tonight, finally we moved the all around quickly something we don't do when Adam is in the side and there was movement again when Adam plays midfield is static. I hope Carroll plays every week until end of the season. I don't think he is worth £35 million but we paid the fee, he linked well tonight and has improved ( not hard considering how bad he was) he deserves a chance. Swapped kuyt for Henderson and Adam for gerrard and the football all of a sudden was a joy to watch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofighter23 Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 if were playing a team with only one upfront tho its a waste. we'd be short in attack against a defensive side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian McFarland Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 In my opinion Spearing and Gerrard is preferential to Gerrard plus any of the others. Adam and Gerrard is perhaps the worst of the lot because neither of them have particularly much defensive sense and they regularly end up in the same area with acres elsewhere. Spearing is nothing more than a squad player, but considering our squad depth in that position I think he has to play. Against the better teams we can go with a 4-5-1, but at home / against the weaker teams we need to play Suarez and Carroll and that inevitably means taking risks and leaving space in midfield. Not that theres a massive risk now anyway. We have the Europa League and considering our position anything more would be amazing so we might as well have a go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Still no assists for any of our midfielders by the way. Much like last season, it's hard to drop Kelly for Johnson when he's in form like today, him and Enrique were fantastic in defence and going forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeafParrot Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 if were playing a team with only one upfront tho its a waste. we'd be short in attack against a defensive side. Not necessarily, as if they have one up front Enrique and Johnson have more licence to just stay forward and allow the 3 centre backs and Lucas to snuff out any potential counters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofighter23 Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 kelly was excellent today but i still think johnsons way better. kelly goes ball chasing and gets himself out of position too much for my liking. still im sure he'll get that out of his system in time. have to mention carroll today aswell after slating him earlier, had a massive game imo, well done andy. hendo put 3 great through balls in today aswell though he wasnt perfect he was still out of position and played very well for the most part. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofighter23 Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Not necessarily, as if they have one up front Enrique and Johnson have more licence to just stay forward and allow the 3 centre backs and Lucas to snuff out any potential counters. we tried that against stoke though and it didnt work, we were frustrating and hardly carved out a cross all day. im a fan in FM and in theory it looks good but it doesnt really work in real life imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
benkeat Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 People take this lad for granted. Greatest player we'll ever have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinity Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I didn't watch the game - I am pleased for the win, but I still think we need a change. 5 wins since November now? That's a bit more than a bad run of form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperclips Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Bossed that game. Everton are ****. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
benkeat Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I don't think anyone would think that one win would change your opinion on the managerial situation so coming in here after a 3-0 Derby win just seems needlessly negative for the sake of being negative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofighter23 Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 besides 5 wins with adam starting every game is good going hope kenny has seen the light and he wasnt just rested for saturday tho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinity Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I don't think anyone would think that one win would change your opinion on the managerial situation so coming in here after a 3-0 Derby win just seems needlessly negative for the sake of being negative. Hardly being negative, just not cheering over three points. Seems a little short-sighted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
benkeat Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 What a bizarre mindset. I don't know why you watch football really. If you can't enjoy a 3-0 win over your rivals I really don't know what enjoyment you get out of football. "Short-sighted" :D Oh must not enjoy this moment. Need to think about the long term future of our transfer policy, squad depth and tactical development on the night we've just beat Everton 3-0. Can't enjoy this moment, need to relentlessly analyse, analyse and criticise for every waking minute. You haven't even watched the match either. Just still need to pipe in and and **** on the party. Don't think for one minute people are suggesting that one win changes anything really, but if you can't enjoy this, I think you're in the wrong game mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emersonlfc Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 We playing on Sat/Sun? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperclips Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Sunday, 4pm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emersonlfc Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Home/Away? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Capitán Español Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Home to Stoke City; FA Cup Quarter Final. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinity Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 What a bizarre mindset. I don't know why you watch football really. If you can't enjoy a 3-0 win over your rivals I really don't know what enjoyment you get out of football."Short-sighted" :D Oh must not enjoy this moment. Need to think about the long term future of our transfer policy, squad depth and tactical development on the night we've just beat Everton 3-0. Can't enjoy this moment, need to relentlessly analyse, analyse and criticise for every waking minute. You haven't even watched the match either. Just still need to pipe in and and **** on the party. Don't think for one minute people are suggesting that one win changes anything really, but if you can't enjoy this, I think you're in the wrong game mate. I realise you're from there, but in all reality, a win against Everton means ****all to me more than most other wins. I don't remotely regard them as rivals, as they haven't been since the mid 1980s. The geographical location of their ground means nothing to me when I'm 12000km away. I simply see them as another midtable side we should be beating every time we play them. So jump on your high horse about how I'm "not enjoying this party" - I simply get more enjoyment out of a sustained run of performances rather than the once-a-month win you're telling me I should be celebrating. As others have said, Charlie Adam will be back in the team on the weekend, and now Gerrard's done his show he'll go back into playing Mr Anonymous for the next few months. Laughable really how he can say this "We need to find a level of consistency" when over the last few years he's been one of the worst exponents of it. But by all means, let's celebrate this once-a-month miracle. It's evidently our standard for celebration now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 I realise you're from there, but in all reality, a win against Everton means ****all to me more than most other wins. I don't remotely regard them as rivals, as they haven't been since the mid 1980s. The geographical location of their ground means nothing to me when I'm 12000km away. I simply see them as another midtable side we should be beating every time we play them. So jump on your high horse about how I'm "not enjoying this party" - I simply get more enjoyment out of a sustained run of performances rather than the once-a-month win you're telling me I should be celebrating.As others have said, Charlie Adam will be back in the team on the weekend, and now Gerrard's done his show he'll go back into playing Mr Anonymous for the next few months. Laughable really how he can say this "We need to find a level of consistency" when over the last few years he's been one of the worst exponents of it. But by all means, let's celebrate this once-a-month miracle. It's evidently our standard for celebration now. So we weren't allowed to celebrate beating City in the League Cup, or winning the League cup and now we're not allowed to celebrate beating Everton in the league because any celebration means we're blind to the bigger picture? How's that prozac working out for you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emersonlfc Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Surely he's on a wind-up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinity Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Not remotely, celebrate away. I simply look at it as three points we should be getting every year. But the bigger picture is that we're still 7th, still 10 points behind our goal for the season, with 10 games to go. But I guess if you need a little ray of sunshine, and this is your only way to get it, celebrate away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 I suggest changing the way you look at things in life, you'll enjoy it a lot more if you do. If you see don't see the point in begin happy with three points, and anyone who is happy at a small victory regardless of the bigger picture is worthy of mockery, you're either trolling or you do actually have depression. Either way, seek help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emersonlfc Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 So what your telling us is that you dont celebrate when we get 3 points when you expect us to win 3 points? What a grim outlook at it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 On a separate note, I bet it's been a while since we fielded a team with 4 local lads (and another on the bench). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinity Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 I suggest changing the way you look at things in life, you'll enjoy it a lot more if you do.If you see don't see the point in begin happy with three points, and anyone who is happy at a small victory regardless of the bigger picture is worthy of mockery, you're either trolling or you do actually have depression. Either way, seek help. So insightful, you should be a psychologist. But I guess that would involve shedding the colossal stupidity in overlooking this: I didn't watch the game - I am pleased for the win, but I still think we need a change. 5 wins since November now? That's a bit more than a bad run of form. You'll note that post wasn't in response to anyone, or anything. I'm defending my position, not attacking that of others. So your pseudo-psychology can **** right off. It's a win. That's all. It should be expected. Celebrations are for slightly more events a little more important than beating the team 9th in the table at home. I expect that, much like I expect my car to start in the morning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 So insightful, you should be a psychologist. But I guess that would involve shedding the colossal stupidity in overlooking this: You'll note that post wasn't in response to anyone, or anything. I'm defending my position, not attacking that of others. So your pseudo-psychology can **** right off. It's a win. That's all. It should be expected. Celebrations are for slightly more events a little more important than beating the team 9th in the table at home. I expect that, much like I expect my car to start in the morning. That does nothing to counter my point. Your last line if anything re-enforces it and I feel sad for anyone who supports a team with that attitude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinity Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 I'd prefer that than the rose-tinted glasses simply because HOLY **** WE WON A GAME LET'S PARTY LIKE IT'S 1999 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 I'd prefer that than the rose-tinted glasses simply because HOLY **** WE WON A GAME LET'S PARTY LIKE IT'S 1999 Yes, that's exactly the extreme everyone is celebrating to. And fine, you sit miserable because we're losing the war whilst the rest of us are celebrating winning the battle. I know who is enjoying being a football fan more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinity Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Yea, you've gotten me. Apparently I can't enjoy the sport at all anymore DESPITE SAYING I'M PLEASED FOR THE WIN. Are you seriously that obtuse? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knapp... Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 enrique, suarez, gerrard, kelly all great. thought downing and henderson could've done alot more. everton and divinity both awful. would've been **** to go behind everton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Apparently I can't enjoy the sport at all anymore ... just not cheering over three points I expect that, much like I expect my car to start in the morning. Oh yeah, that just screams that you're enjoying the win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinity Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 So the answer to my question was yes then, well done, glad that's sorted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emersonlfc Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Did Pepe make a save tonight? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 I'm defending my position, not attacking that of others. ... So jump on your high horse But I guess if you need a little ray of sunshine, and this is your only way to get it Seriously, trying thinking before posting, it'll make you look far less of a tit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinity Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 You still here? Clearly those were in reference to people saying not jumping up and down as though this is the best thing ever means I was focusing on the negative. But again, since your response to me before was fairly concisely in the affirmative, all you're doing is reinforcing that point. But hey, leap on me for being realistic and not ****ing partying about our fifth win in five months. You must be suffering from depression or something? Perhaps you need to change your outlook on other people's posts, you'll be far happier. (In other words, **** up, your dismal posts on a ****** theme aren't remotely contributing to the thread, and this'll be my last on the issue). Incoming post in 3, 2... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Constantly exaggerating how much people are happy about the win continues to make you look more like a twit and your posts even more irrelevant, but keep banging that drum Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jep Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Did Pepe make a save tonight? Just one I think - Denis' header first half. Great win and Gerrard confirming he is the greatest Liverpool player ever, but I just hope and pray Kenny keeps Adam out of the side as we look so much better without him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
benkeat Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Haha what a dour and negative person. Even if you don't care about the rivalry, if you'd have actually watched the match you'd have seen a very, very good performance and that would have been enough to hold back the sea of negativity for at least a few hours I reckon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 enrique, suarez, gerrard, kelly all great. thought downing and henderson could've done alot more. everton and divinity both awful. Had to laugh at the end of this sentence! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinity Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Haha what a dour and negative person. Even if you don't care about the rivalry, if you'd have actually watched the match you'd have seen a very, very good performance and that would have been enough to hold back the sea of negativity for at least a few hours I reckon. So what you're basically saying is it's the 1 match equivalent of giving a manager an extra year on the basis of winning a trophy and letting that be sufficient to ignore a season's mediocrity in the league? It's simply a smaller scale. But before you decide to switch things around again, re-read my original post, which basically said exactly that it's good to get a win, but it shouldn't cloud poor performances. And somehow you took that on some weird tangent which meant I didn't give a **** at all about winning. Well done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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