Rhino Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Utterly depressing being a Liverpool fan just now. It's even more depressing reading the sanctimonious crap on their new Tumblr site too. Yes, we're a fantastic club (unique? Wouldn't have thought so.) but we're going to tarnish our history even more than we have done already if we don't finally sort out our on-pitch problems. I've got just one goal for Liverpool, and that's to win the league. It's been 24 years since we won the league, and that's unacceptable for a club of our undoubted history and our supposed present stature. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 The question is, have we bought badly, or is the manager just not getting enough out of the players? Adam has never been this bad in his playing career, Downing looked fantastic at Villa, Carroll used to be able to score and Suarez is a shadow of what he was 12 months ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VamPook Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Going British the worst transfer idea ever Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeafParrot Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Coates ball watching when Campbell had the ball and completely lost Bendtner, pretty similar to how Carragher lost RVP, but obviously Coates is the golden boy and doesn't deserve any criticism compared to Carragher. I think you'll find I didn't criticise Carragher for that goal either. If we're playing offside and a player beats it, thats what happens. No blame for Coates or Carragher imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofighter23 Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 yes we have bought badly. a midfield 3 of spearing hendo and adam should be playing for qpr or someone, not lfc. ok we've had lucas out and gerrard out for long periods but kenny knew this and had a chance to address it in jan but didnt, why? because he'd made his bed in signing hendo and adam and had to stick by them. ok hendo will improve in a better team but adam is absolute gash, i said it before we bought him and i stick by it. awful awful player. and wheres this 3rd top midfielder to go with gerrard and lucas? same with carroll, if i'd have given everyone on the planet 35m to spend on a striker 18 months ago only 3 out of about 6 billion would have signed carroll and 2 of them are comolli and kenny. we still havent bought anyone for the right side even though its been glaringly obvious for over a year now aswell. kennys made this team and its a **** team apart from the defence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeafParrot Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Henderson really needs to take it upon himself to do something. He has the ability, but barely ever chooses an attacking option. He's in a team that is crying out for decent service from wide positions, yet whenever he's out there he never decides to whip in an early ball, or attempt to beat his man. 90% of the time he just goes back to Johnson. Infuriating. I still think he could end up being a really good player for us, but at the moment in this side he's doing more harm than good. It just means we have to rely even more on the likes of Adam and Downing for our service, and look where thats got us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Select_screen_name: Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 The question is, have we bought badly, or is the manager just not getting enough out of the players?Adam has never been this bad in his playing career, Downing looked fantastic at Villa, Carroll used to be able to score and Suarez is a shadow of what he was 12 months ago. I hope for our sake it's the manager and he has the guts about him to stand down. Just make up some excuse saying he was only put in to stabilise the club during the bad times, he won a trophy (or two), and it's time for a new manager to come in and take us to the next step. Surely all of our offensive players haven't all gone to **** just like that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 I think Downing is not someone that Liverpool should be buying. Could probably say the same about Maxi actually, all these players sort of from the bottom shelf. Henderson isn't a bad buy in the long term and I think Carroll is a good player, showed it and scored goals so unless it's an attitude thing I don't understand why he's not playing. I think Adam at that decent price you got isn't bad but you sort of want him to be a relatively good performer in amongst some other performing midfielders not be the guy you turn to for everything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted March 11, 2012 Author Share Posted March 11, 2012 No need to make it either/or CP. Most of the players weren't good enough to play for us when we bought them, and they've performed even worse while here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
why? Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Sickens me every time I see that fat mess Adam chugging around in our midfield. Whoever thought it was a good idea to buy that abomination of a footballer needs to be sacked on the spot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 If Gerrard was firing on all cyclinders though and maybe Lucas was in there then Adams isn't a bad option but the main provider he is not Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 I keep telling myself that Adam was bought as a cheap stand in for Gerrard, could pick the odd pass, could shoot from range and take set pieces, albeit not as well. But he's been played too often to have been bought as an option from the bench, as a first teamer he was never going to be good enough. Henderson and Carroll far worse signings though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bell Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Henderson played quite well? Are you kidding me You may be able to see the whole match in Singapore, I saw 5 minute highlights where he seem involved in a few good things (and there weren't many) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudester Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 I watched the 90 mins unfortunately why was plan ABC long ball to suarez, bellamy and kuyt? Really just an awful performance all round I couldn't pick out anyone for us I thought had a good game. I couldn't really pick out anyone that stood out for sunderland either and I think we were lucky yesterday they were as poor as we were. If had played anyone half decent I think the score would have reflected the performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboydonegood Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 From a midfield 3 of Alonso, Mascherano and Gerrard we have now got Henderson, Adam and Spearing makes me sad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martplfc1 Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Defeat to Everton on Tuesday means they overtake us and we could mathematically (although extremely unlikely as Stoke are on -12 ) be 13th after the next round of games (not checked who's playing who so that might not be strictly true, but meh). That's pretty terrible considering we're heading towards April Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperclips Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Yesterday just sums us up. ***** Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Going British the worst transfer idea ever It's not the nationality that makes them bad signings. You might of got Parker, Young, Ox, Jones and Bent. They are bad signings because they aren't good enough. The highest level Adam has played well at was for a team that got relegated ffs. who on earth thought he'd be good enough for Liverpool. I'm that you might not of been able to sign some of those players, but they are just examples. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperclips Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Downing looks like he is playing slightly better than he was before. What does Maxi have to do to get a game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guy From The Sunny Place Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 It's amount of money paid that makes them bad signings. Money which were inflated because they were(/are?) British talent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Suarez not exactly rebuffing the PSG interest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperclips Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 I see Newcastle are doing well now Carroll is not playing for them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinity Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 From a midfield 3 of Alonso, Mascherano and Gerrard we have now got Henderson, Adam and Spearing makes me sad Yea, people need to stop this "Alonso, Mascherano, Gerrard" ****. Two didn't want to play here anymore, and one gets injured far too much to be considered a core part of the team. Move on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted March 12, 2012 Author Share Posted March 12, 2012 people are talking about the massive drop in quality, not that they specifically aren't here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinity Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Regardless, they wouldn't be here anyway, and we were never going to get a like for like replacement. Except Lucas is better then Masch anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted March 12, 2012 Author Share Posted March 12, 2012 right, sure, but its the massive massive difference that people are pointing out by doing it. Its not just that we've had a dip in quality, it's that the players are clearly not good enough to be anywhere near our team. I do get your point, but using the juxtaposition of the two just highlights our bad our current options are, aside from Lucas and Gerrard. It'sjsut a way to show how totally unacceptable the replacements have been. I'm sure if we had kept Meireles, and bought in Parker and a quality CM as our back up to Lucas and Gerrard, nobody would be making the comparision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knapp... Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/mar/12/liverpool-luis-suarez-paris-saint-germain would be best all round if he moved on imo. get psg to stump up 30m and we can all move on from this embarrassing season, both on and off the field. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 We are a club in transition. I didnt think for a second we would get back into the Champions League this season. Baby steps people!!! This season has been a very frustrating one, but with us back in Europe next season, maybe we can attract a bigger name players and then make a push for the Champions League. Sorry, but with the squad we have did anyone truely think we were better than the teams above us??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeafParrot Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Looking back at pages 8 and 9 of this thread, where everyone predicted the season ahead, yes. I had us to finish 5th, and thought I was being a little pessimistic :/ Had us to win the League Cup though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted March 12, 2012 Author Share Posted March 12, 2012 Finishing position: 2nd Total points: 84 Total goals scored: 78 \o/. In hindsight expecting us to sign a couple of quality players at this point and Adam and Henderson being bit players was probably not the wisest thing I've ever done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoldeFK15 Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/mar/12/liverpool-luis-suarez-paris-saint-germainwould be best all round if he moved on imo. get psg to stump up 30m and we can all move on from this embarrassing season, both on and off the field. Why would PSG pay £30m for a striker who has failed to show that he can score in a 'top' division, never mind the CL? If you can get your money back for him you would have done extremely well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knapp... Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 it's pretty clear to see he's a top class player, him not scoring goals in a team that can't create **** doesn't alter that imo. pretty much agree with others who said put him in a team who all contribute attacking wise and he'll have no problem both scoring and creating goals. right now he's literally having to carry the whole burden of getting goals and making chances for himself and he's suffering for it. i've seen plenty of him to say confidently he's in the top bracket of footballers in the league, and for that he's worth top money. doubt many teams would want all the hassle that comes with him so the options right now who'll be willing to take him is limited so that might drive the price down a bit, i'd still say psg with all their riches would be willing to pay near enough what we'd want though, and that'd be around 30m i reckon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Bellamy doesn't look like he can be anything other than a 10 minute sub these days, Kuyt is old, Carroll is not good enough and probably never will be and Suarez looks like he's going to be sold. That's a lot of new up front players to buy in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopper99 Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 I was at the game on Saturday and Liverpool were relly bad. We weren't great either tbh, but even with a weakened team managed to look more creative then Liverpool. Frazier had a great game and constantly hassled and pressured the Liverpool defence, and O'Shea was outstanding really, just stopped anything going through Suarez and Carroll, which was your main plan today. But it was midfield where you looked the worst. Adam is actually awful, which is even more obvious when you watch him Live. What did surprise me was the decision to take Bellamy off. From where I was sitting him and Enrique were the only two players, when combining down the left, who looked even close to creating anything. So yeah, great day for me, and O'Neil is doing an amazing job. Kenny on the other hand is having a shocker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRJ Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Finishing position: 4th - Not happeningTotal points: 69 - NEVER HAPPENING Total goals scored: 67 - Extremely unlikely Number of games lost in league: 7 - Already lost more Top goal scorer (excluding penalities): Suarez - Out of him and Bellamy Top assists: Suarez - Adam will probably bag this Most red cards: Carragher - Hopefully I'm wrong Most yellow cards: Suarez - Probably not gonna happen Most man of the matches, as decided by us: Suarez - Don't think he was top upto the last tracker Round we get to in FA Cup*: Quarter - We're there, hopefully I'm wrong and we go through Round we get to in League Cup*: Win - I WAS RIGHT Number of league games Agger starts: 18 - Already beat it Number of games Reina doesn't start across all comps 5 - Looks unlikely Bad year of predictions for me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted March 12, 2012 Author Share Posted March 12, 2012 £30m undervalues Suarez for me. Only have to watch him for Uruguay to know he is worth more than that. His performances for us have been pretty great, it's jsut a pity he's left on his own trying to take on the whole defence by himself. Quite clearly absolutly top class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopper99 Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 £30m undervalues Suarez for me. Only have to watch him for argentina to know he is worth more than that. His performances for us have been pretty great, it's jsut a pity he's left on his own trying to take on the whole defence by himself. Quite clearly absolutly top class. I've struggled to watch him play for Argentina. Just never seems to get a game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Never seen him play for Argentina tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 **** off chopper Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopper99 Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Too slow chicken marengo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 All foreigners look the same tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bell Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 So basically we are going to have to buy a whole midfield and forward line next summer at this rate. That's going to require an FM style injection of funds surely? Since NESV came the club has only spent what it earns (net, not gross). Some youth is going to have to be brought through as there is no way we will be spaffing £150m on replacing half the team! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridleys Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 I'm sure i read somewhere that Liverpool won't be spending big this summer? I can't remember where/when i read it though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperclips Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 I'm sure i read somewhere that Liverpool won't be spending big this summer? I can't remember where/when i read it though. Looking back on the summer and the last transfer window before that. GOOD! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Commolli said we wouldn't be spending big. Which is a bit presumptuous as depending on how the rest of this season goes, we might well ( and probably will) need to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northeu Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Its not about spending big its about spending wisely, Buying from other premier league teams is for the most part not a wise move. It didn't need last summers signing to tell us that we should have already known. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeafParrot Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 We're in desperate need of striker/winger/centre mid. 3 top players in those areas and we could be transformed. Easier said than done though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
why? Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 We'd still be turd tactically even with 5 new players. Constantly throwing money at new signings won't solve anything with Kenny in charge unfortunately. Can we just give Brendan Rodgers the job please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperclips Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 We'd still be turd tactically even with 5 new players. Constantly throwing money at new signings won't solve anything with Kenny in charge unfortunately.Can we just give Brendan Rodgers the job please? How about Owen Coyle? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Fowler wants a job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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