englandmanager Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 how is the world cup shaping up for you so far? anyone like me think it's been very bad in terms of excitement and will get better? or does anyone think it's been good so far ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davin94 Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 games have been terible but the atmosphere's been great Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djvandyke Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Its been good and will get even better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 It's been bad. Only the opener has been exciting for me. But I think most teams are hesitant in their first game, while the defeated teams will have to throw everything on the line for their next two games, so will probably be much more excitement to come Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micado Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Most games pretty poor, but it will get alot better Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samba23 Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Patience. We haven't seen Spain, Brazil, Holland, Portugal, Italy, Germany, Ivory Coast, Chile, etc yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayArr Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Games have been far from great, but I love having three matches a day to watch. Still got Italy, Brazil, Netherlands, etc to play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
englandmanager Posted June 13, 2010 Author Share Posted June 13, 2010 think the holland vs denmark game tomorrow might be the best so far ofc it's on whilst i'm working but i've managed to get hold of a portable tv for work will have to have it muted but that might be a good thing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Patience.We haven't seen Spain, Brazil, Holland, Portugal, Italy, Germany, Ivory Coast, Chile, etc yet. Brazil certainly won't make this WC any more entertaining, and Brazil shouldn't anyway. They are there to win, not to entertain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlesbeams Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 I think its been fairly boring so far, but the atmosphere has been great, sure it'll get better later on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACou2000 Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 at least wait until the first round of group games to finish ffs even then it's stupid to judge the 'experience' of the tournament Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micado Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 think the holland vs denmark game tomorrow might be the best so farg They are there to win, not to entertain. That is why we always fail Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
englandmanager Posted June 13, 2010 Author Share Posted June 13, 2010 at least wait until the first round of group games to finish ffseven then it's stupid to judge the 'experience' of the tournament obviously part of your brain missed the 2 words "so far"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP Woody Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Its been ok,nothing more. A lot of long range shots seeem to be going miles over or wide. The ball seems like a cheap fly away. Bring back the good old adidas tango or Mitre delta. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ham_aka_stam Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Optimism from OTF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qolumbo Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 It's been mostly bad so far. The quality of football has been somewhat disappointing. I think the new ball is partly responsible for this, as it seems to make it more difficult to complete long passes. It'll be interesting to see how it will affect someone like Xavi. The general atmosphere at the matches has also been poor, because the vuvuzelas drown out all the crowd noises. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ham_aka_stam Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 That's not the ball. It's the altitude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP Woody Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 That's not the ball. It's the altitude. Thats rubbish. There have only been a couple of games at altitude,the rest have been at sea level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 I think it will get better as teams get used to the ball, England/USA and South Africa/Mexico is probably the pick of the games so far. Absolutely no idea why FIFA continue to change the ball for tournaments to be honest, it's only a marketing ploy to sell replicas and it usually ends up resulting in the first few matches being poor although Podolski showing there how to shoot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
englandmanager Posted June 13, 2010 Author Share Posted June 13, 2010 That's not the ball. It's the altitude. clearly falling for adidas's lies then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddard Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 What a totally pointless thread. Opening games tend to be tight affairs. You get the odd great game in the group stages, but it's all about the knockouts ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddard Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 obviously part of your brain missed the 2 words "so far"? Oh, shall we have a new thread every deay then to gage the change in public opinion? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
englandmanager Posted June 13, 2010 Author Share Posted June 13, 2010 Oh, shall we have a new thread every deay then to gage the change in public opinion? why don't you relax ffs, i forgot the majority on the SI boards seem to believe a new thread creates clutter on their desktop system don't like the thread ? nobody is forcing you to read or post in it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddard Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 why don't you relax ffs, i forgot the majority on the SI boards seem to believe a new thread creates clutter on their desktop system don't like the thread ? nobody is forcing you to read or post in it I can't decide whether I find this thread good, bad or ok. I'll get back to you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
englandmanager Posted June 13, 2010 Author Share Posted June 13, 2010 I can't decide whether I find this thread good, bad or ok. I'll get back to you. but please let me get through the group stages before deciding? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ham_aka_stam Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 clearly falling for adidas's lies then? There is a set range that a football has to weigh up in (410-450g) The ball has been used in the Bundesliga all season. The teams all got the ball ages before the WC began. All that's happened is a few players have had a play with the ball in the preparatory training (probably at altitude), said they they're over hitting it, been told it's lighter, and then whinged to the media, who have run with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ham_aka_stam Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Thats rubbish. There have only been a couple of games at altitude,the rest have been at sea level. It's about half and half is it not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP Woody Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 It's about half and half is it not? So far its been the South Africa game and the England game i think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nattai Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 My only complaint so far has to be the vuvuzelas. They keep showing shots of happy Africans dancing in the stands...what are they dancing too?? It would be brilliant to be able to hear the bands that are in the crowd, the singing etc. Otherwise i think it has been rather good. The quality of the games will pick up soon, then fall away again in the knockout rounds as usual. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ham_aka_stam Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 So far its been the South Africa game and the England game i think. Free State - 1400m Greenpoint - 0m Moses Mabhida - 0m Ellis Park - 1753m Soccer City - 1753m Mbombela - 1741m Nelson Mandela Bay - 0m Peter Mokaba - 1312m Loftus Verfeld - 1370m Royal Bafokeng - 1500m Alt = 7 Sea Level = 3 From http://www.2010capetown.com/sports/2010-world-cup-stadiums.php Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP Woody Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Free State - 1400mGreenpoint - 0m Moses Mabhida - 0m Ellis Park - 1753m Soccer City - 1753m Mbombela - 1741m Nelson Mandela Bay - 0m Peter Mokaba - 1312m Loftus Verfeld - 1370m Royal Bafokeng - 1500m Alt = 7 Sea Level = 3 From http://www.2010capetown.com/sports/2010-world-cup-stadiums.php Still dont think its the altitude,plenty of other games get played at altitude around the world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ham_aka_stam Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 (football cliche alert) Altitude + very round ball (read: smooth) means shots are going to stay hit (less drag, therefore longer until the ball slows down). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Still dont think its the altitude,plenty of other games get played at altitude around the world. And at much higher altitudes, ex: Bogotá in Colombia is about 2,600 m; Quito in Ecuador is 2,800; La Paz in Bolivia is 3,600. The South African altitudes are pretty "light" really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ham_aka_stam Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 The ball's also been used in the MLS, in the 2009 World Club Cup, the ACoN, and 2010 Clausura. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katarian Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 The South African altitudes are pretty "light" really. But they are still pretty high for the European teams and quite a few of the others. You'll never see a World Cup in Bolivia, Ecuador, or Colombia due to the altitudes involved. The teams all got the ball ages before the WC began. The England team weren't using it ages it ago. They have a kit deal which meant they had to use the sponsors balls not the Adidas ones. I would imagine some of the other teams had similar deals and so their first real experience of the ball is when they arrived in South Africa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 But they are still pretty high for the European teams and quite a few of the others. You'll never see a World Cup in Bolivia, Ecuador, or Colombia due to the altitudes involved. The altitude of Mexico City is 2,240 and they have hosted the WC twice. Colombia IIRC will try to host the WC in 2030, but Ecuador and Bolivia are too small to host it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ham_aka_stam Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 The England team weren't using it ages it ago. They have a kit deal which meant they had to use the sponsors balls not the Adidas ones. I would imagine some of the other teams had similar deals and so their first real experience of the ball is when they arrived in South Africa. That's not Adidas's fault though is it. It's the FA's for signing a deal that could decrease the nations chances. They have had to opportunity to use the ball for ages, and have in effect, chosen not to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katarian Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 The altitude of Mexico City is 2,240 and they have hosted the WC twice.Colombia IIRC will try to host the WC in 2030, but Ecuador and Bolivia are too small to host it. Mexico is higher then I thought . Looks like 4-5 of the cities were higher then South Africa, but the main complaints about the Mexican WCs, from the Europeans, was it was too hot. I think that FIFA have become a bit more sensitive to the conditions tournaments are played in, didn't they stop Bolivia or Ecuador playing their matches at really ridiculous altitudes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Mexico is higher then I thought . Looks like 4-5 of the cities were higher then South Africa, but the main complaints about the Mexican WCs, from the Europeans, was it was too hot. I think that FIFA have become a bit more sensitive to the conditions tournaments are played in, didn't they stop Bolivia or Ecuador playing their matches at really ridiculous altitudes? They tried to stop them from playing at high altitudes, then the whole SA but Brazil (shameful behavior by Brazil here) complained and FIFA changed their mind and allowed the games to take place in high altitude places. Potosí, at around 4,000 m is at even higher altitude than La Paz, by the way. Some Brazilian clubs had to play there in Copa Libertadores and complained a lot about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katarian Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 That's not Adidas's fault though is it. It's the FA's for signing a deal that could decrease the nations chances.They have had to opportunity to use the ball for ages, and have in effect, chosen not to. Most likely signed ages before the offical ball was announced and released. They haven't chosen not to they offically can't use the ball. It's stupid using a new ball for the WC finals. At least use it in the qualifying stage as well, but that would cut down the money FIFA recieve. Adidas should of made more effort to get the ball more widely used before the tournament, it makes them look bad some of the top players constantly complaining about the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ham_aka_stam Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Most likely signed ages before the offical ball was announced and released. They haven't chosen not to they offically can't use the ball.It's stupid using a new ball for the WC finals. At least use it in the qualifying stage as well, but that would cut down the money FIFA recieve. Adidas should of made more effort to get the ball more widely used before the tournament, it makes them look bad some of the top players constantly complaining about the ball. Why is it up to adidas to do that? They'll have been approached by FIFA to make the ball / allow it to be used for the tournament. They make the ball, job done. It is up to FIFA to time it's release, to use it, and to provide it in time to all the national teams. The national teams know that new balls come out and are sanctioned specifically for WCs. It is their choice to sign any deal which prohibits them from using it before the tournament (hence my "effectively"), in the full knowledge that there could be a new ball that they will want to try. The Jabulani fills all the requirements for an international football. In fact, I've just found this which shows that the ball weighs 440g (10g off the maximum for FIFA approved footballs - 450g) so hopefully this argument can finally be put to rest. Perhaps it's that the players are now getting a more improved connection with their passes and shots which is leading to the increased flight. Or perhaps, as I've said over and over, it's to do with the altitude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roberto922 Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 It just got alot better. WP voters Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Been OK so far, but it's going to get a lot better. Looking forward to the Dutch playing tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metlika Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 The German game has livened up the World Cup for me, the other matches have been really boring. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
why? Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Been a lot of poor final balls, poor corners and freekicks so far but it's obviously still early days, hopefully those things pick up somewhat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menz Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Been OK so far, but it's going to get a lot better. Looking forward to the Dutch playing tomorrow. Talking sense Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett.spurs Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Generally enjoyed it, apart from ITV and Mick McCarthy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lermon Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 all the exciting teams now- and missing them all being at work :/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siddo Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 I've gone for good. Enjoyed the opening game and also South Korea were entertaining. But tonight Germany have really impressed me. Around where I live people tend to always dismiss the Germans (2002 notable for this) but i've always said they'd make at least the quarter finals. But this time they've added flair and that is ominous. Hopefully be good tomorrow Holland v Denmark could be a belter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanNUFC Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Been alright, enjoying it more after today. Just annoying putting up with the usual people that whine and moan at anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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