Mr Hough 10.3 Tactics

[Ueein]

ok ok , i will try with Newcastle.

[Johnnyhugs]

Ueein you should test it with a lower team mate.

Barcelona is good enough to beat with normal lame tactics lol

[Ernest166]

hehe the same that was going to say Johnny

[Mr Hough]

Here is the Winger tactic, I'm only gonna write a little bit i'll go into more detail tomorrow and i'll also add it to the OP aswell.

Use commen sense when it comes to player attributtes or if you can't manage that you'll have to wait till tomorrow till i write it properly.

Team talks and training use what you are comfortable with.

Pitch size small

I gave up on this test after i became champions that was after 40 games and i lost a few fames because i was on holiday and letting the assistant control the team here are some screens.

I know i have conceded quite alot but i was struggling with the defence throughout this save and only managed sort dort it out at the end.

Here is the link to the tactic.

http://www.filefront.com/17207525/MR Hough 4-1-1-2-2 Final (Middlesbrough, May 2010).tac

http://www.mediafire.com/?64tckudad4zbs81

I will write a better description tomorrow but i've been on this all day and quite frankly i want a break and a beer.

There is room for improvement as in any tactic, If i make any i will update.

Enjoy guys.

[Johnnyhugs]

Letting your assistant do the job and going on holiday pretty much ruins your team.

I hate when people test out a tactic letting assistant do all the job and go on holiday and be like ok this tactic sucks.

[matthew56]

di you use opp instructions ?

[Mr Hough]

Letting your assistant do the job and going on holiday pretty much ruins your team.

I hate when people test out a tactic letting assistant do all the job and go on holiday and be like ok this tactic sucks.

I played 40 games just when i won the title i went on holiday

[Mr Hough]

di you use opp instructions ?

No mate no OI's at all

[cragswfc]

which side did you play boyd???

[Mr Hough]

erm...... Not sure to be honest both strikers are set the same so it won't make that much difference i don't think

[Johnnyhugs]

That wasn't directed at you Mr Hough. I was just saying... in general when people try their new tactics. some of them just go on holiday with the new tactic to test it out.

[Ernest166]

Excellent Dave,been waiting for it for a quite long time as much as other did.

Will be waiting for your more detailed explanation about the tactic tomorrow and sure thing will have a play with it.

Will keep it up,

cheers.

[gav1979]

erm...... Not sure to be honest both strikers are set the same so it won't make that much difference i don't think

you changed the layout,dmc and mc in line not staggered,also you changed back to the classic way???

[cragswfc]

are your corners set up like there were on the 4123?

[syam23]

another masterpiece well done bro =) will try it soon n give u feedback

[matthew56]

i am rochdale season 2032 in coca cola league 1 ironically my first game with the tactic is vs middlesbrough

middlesbrough league positon 24th me rochdale 21st

media prediction for middlesbrough 11th me rochdale 21st

odds middlesbroguh 2.25 me 2.75

rmatch stats middlesbroguh shots on target 9(1) me 14 (7)

won 2-0 first game away to middlesbroguh

good beginning

[matthew56]

any tall target man int this tactic ?

[Spikester]

Played a few games with this so far and I have to say the wingers are playing brilliantly! First tactic I have used where the wingers play this well.

Steve

[matthew56]

second game away to brighton

odds brihgton 1.5 me rochdale 5.00

ht result 3-0 for brighton

shots on target brighton 15(9) me 9(2)

final result 3-1 for brighton

[jenkobuster]

Started a new save with Spurs to test the tactic, first game of the season an easy 3-0 home win against Wolves, the 2 wingers had a few chances each but no goals.

[matthew56]

third game home to dag and red

odds me rochdale 2.5 dag and red 2.63

ht result 2-1 for me rochdale

my amr was sent off after 48mins

shots on target me 12(4) dag and red 11 (7)

final result 3-1 for me

[AXERTYRE]

First game Arsenal 3-2 Villa, Lead by 3 goals, but then I let Villa strikers run in behind my defenders multiple times ending up with 2 goals. I had to lower my defensive line but still no used, managed to hold on at the end.

[Spikester]

Started a new save with Spurs to test the tactic, first game of the season an easy 3-0 home win against Wolves, the 2 wingers had a few chances each but no goals.

Same here.... Defoe is a beast for me as the right hand striker!

Steve

[jenkobuster]

Second game, a 3-0 home win against Sparta Prague in the champions league qualifiers. 2 goals for Pav in this game and a MOM performance. Players in so far Guardado, and Lugano. players out Woodgate, Keane, Jenas, O'Hara.

[mcwuk1]

nice tactic buddy, but(always a butt aint there) i seem to have a lot lower posession. Sometimes as low as 37% not that I'm fussed still winning, but (again) why can that be

[jenkobuster]

Got a similar problem on my 3rd match of the season against Sunderland, Darren Bent is isolating himself against Lugano and getting one on one with the keeper, i have dropped it down to 8 see if its any better, i have swapped Lugano over with King too, that should help.

[AXERTYRE]

Second game Arsenal 5-0 Stoke, this tactic is so great going forward, I can still see some defensive holes but overall it is an amazing tactic.

[matthew56]

fourth game away to scunthorpe

odds scunthorpe 2.00 me rochdale 3.2

ht result 2-0 for me rochdale

shots on target 12(4) scunthopre 14 (5) for me

final result 2-1 for me

[AXERTYRE]

Third game Newcastle 2-3 Arsenal, the defensive problems are more apparent playing away to a poor team, could only scored 2 goals with corners.

[Ufo]

Played 8 games so far.

Won: 2

Lost: 4

Draws: 2

GF: 14

GA: 20

Playing with Köln in the German Bundesliga.

[jenkobuster]

Played 8 games so far.

Won: 2

Lost: 4

Draws: 2

GF: 14

GA: 20

Playing with Köln in the German Bundesliga.

On my Spurs game i have played 4 won 4, goals for 15 goals against 1. First big match coming up against United!!!!

[AXERTYRE]

4th game lost 2-0 against Blackburn, the difference between home and away is massive

[Sparta]

Testing it now, looks nice:-) Thought targetman would be used, seems it is not from what I can see so far. Any tips on what kind of striker to play left/right? Is it ment to be one big guy and one playing off him? Settings seem totally similar to me:-)

[gav1979]

you changed the layout,dmc and mc in line not staggered,also you changed back to the classic way????

did you have look at the 4-1-1-2-2 i made,it performs well,mainly strikers and wingers grabbing the goals

[mosiclover]

did you have look at the 4-1-1-2-2 i made,it performs well,mainly strikers and wingers grabbing the goals

Would you please post it in mediafire? Thanks

[Mr Hough]

Thanks for trying the tactic guys.

I reliase the defence could be better and i'll be back on the case later today.

[jenkobuster]

On my Spurs game i have played 4 won 4, goals for 15 goals against 1. First big match coming up against United!!!!

Managed a 0-1 win away against Man Utd, the tactic seems excellent at the moment, 1 goal conceded in 5 games i fantastic so far.

[Mr Hough]

did you have look at the 4-1-1-2-2 i made,it performs well,mainly strikers and wingers grabbing the goals

I haven't had chance yet bud, I will have a look though mate. Could you post some screens of your defence i might nick it off you lol

[Mr Hough]

4th game lost 2-0 against Blackburn, the difference between home and away is massive

Try lowering the overall Mentality setting in the team options to the first notch of attacking or last notch of normal when playing away from home

[Mr Hough]

Testing it now, looks nice:-) Thought targetman would be used, seems it is not from what I can see so far. Any tips on what kind of striker to play left/right? Is it ment to be one big guy and one playing off him? Settings seem totally similar to me:-)

I think 2 all round good players will be great, 2 players that can header finish have pace that kind of thing, Might be hard to find though

[gcs]

edit coz got 1 more

[Mr Hough]

I'm gonna call the tactic the Winger BETA, I have made some updates and i will be looking to get a hopefully better version out in a few days, I won my last game with everton 7-1 against FC Zurich, I also had 31 shots 15 on target hit the woodwork 4 times and had 7 CCC's, Zurich had 3 shots 1 on target 1 CCC lol typical eh.

The changes i have made aren't drastic at all really just mainly to the overall teams mentality, I should have thought of it before but it went completly over my head.

[Zeffke888]

Mr Hough what are the most important attributes for the wingers? pace - passing - creativity - crossing - dribbling ?

[Sami Hyypia]

Any chance you could tell us so we can make the adjustments or are there to many? Thanks for all the hard work you do Mr H

[Ernest166]

Dave,you are doing great and thank you so much for your contribution to this fantastic community.

God bless you.

*btw,going to open a new season with Real Madrid

[rotfleo]

mmmmmmmh first match with man city vs spurs finished the first half i was 3-1 second half 3-2 .... 3-3... 4-3... 4-4...4-5...5-5...6-5.... the defence is not really good ((

[ipswichjon]

Going forward this tactic is really strong, an example of the potency comes in the CCC created, with Ipswich at home to Charlton, a relatively strong preseason friendly opponent, match stats: 6-3 win 22 shots 10 on target 8 CCC and some lovely passing moves going on but as has been mentioned the defence is an issue and in all my preseason games I've conceded, and the goals have all come from the same 2 sources:

(1) opposition strikers running in behind and outpacing my centre backs (my guys aren't super quick) I think maybe the defensive line is a little too high and you need very quick centre backs. A way around this could be playing with an offside trap.

(2) From crosses, usually with a player winning a header against my fullbacks at the far post, does this mean a need big guys at fullback, should it be man instead of zonal marking?

[jenkobuster]

Try lowering the overall Mentality setting in the team options to the first notch of attacking or last notch of normal when playing away from home

This works, lost 3-0 away to Bolton, my next away match was Chelsea lowered the mentality as above and managed a 1-2 win, Bosingwa was sent off in the 75th miute, but i was already winning then.

[AXERTYRE]

Going forward this tactic is really strong, an example of the potency comes in the CCC created, with Ipswich at home to Charlton, a relatively strong preseason friendly opponent, match stats: 6-3 win 22 shots 10 on target 8 CCC and some lovely passing moves going on but as has been mentioned the defence is an issue and in all my preseason games I've conceded, and the goals have all come from the same 2 sources:

(1) opposition strikers running in behind and outpacing my centre backs (my guys aren't super quick) I think maybe the defensive line is a little too high and you need very quick centre backs. A way around this could be playing with an offside trap.

(2) From crosses, usually with a player winning a header against my fullbacks at the far post, does this mean a need big guys at fullback, should it be man instead of zonal marking?

This is exactly what Im experiencing right now, I only ever conceded these 2 kind of goals

[Sparta]

My experience so far is that it far exceeds the 4123 in creating chances, but is far less stable when it comes to defence. Like a few others I have experienced trouble away from home. Seems to me like a formation based more on luck and thus less "stable". You'll create more chances than the opposition but you have to take the chances you get or you loose.

Seems also to be pretty dependant on great strikers (good finishing and composure esp.?) Since you will need to score on many of your CCC since your opponent usually gets a few too. I can see that if one were to try to do as good as possible in FM one could have two sets of tactics, one very defensive that was made purely to keep possession and deny chances and then this one for scoring goals.

Depending on the match you start with either defensive or offensive tactic, then change as the game progresses. Get a lucky lead with the defensive one? Then maybe keep it on, down by two? Change to the 4-1-1-2-2 and score a few goals, then back to defensive when you take the lead:-)

For instance you could use the 4123 and 41122. Change back and forth as the match progresses, all you need is one MC that can play AMR/L and one striker that can play AMR/L, then the formation is interchangeable without subbing:)