Boris Dollar Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 A long while ago (actually, FM08 or FM09, so not that long ago) some fantastic chap posted the dates that regens are created for each country. Does the information below tie in with FM10 also, or have these dates changed? Thanks. 7 June Bosnia 7 June Montenegro 7 June New Zealand 20 June Northern Ireland 20 June Israel 20 June Croatia 20 June Switzerland 20 June Ukraine 20 June Wales 20 June Greece 20 June Hungary 20 June Turkey 20 June France 20 June Germany 20 June Portugal 20 June Australia 20 June Scotland 25 June England 25 June Austria 29 June Slovakia 30 June Czech Republic 30 June Poland 30 June Belgium 30 June Italy 1 July Bulgaria 1 July Slovenia 1 July Roumania 7 July Denmark 7 July Holland 10 July Serbia 10 July Spain 15 July South Africa 20 July Mexico 1 August Uruguay 1 August Argentina 19 September Barbados 19 September Trinidad & Tobago 19 September Paraguay 19 September Ecuador 19 September Bolivia 9 December Japan 26 December U.S.A 27 December Sweden 27 December Russia 27 December China 1 January Chile 2 January Brazil 5 January Iceland 5 January Ireland 7 January Finland 10 January Columbia 15 January Ivory Coast 15 January Tunisia 15 January Algeria 15 January Morocco 15 January Cameroon 15 January Senegal 15 January Nigeria 15 January Egypt 20 January Norway 28 January Peru 14 February Belarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubey84 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Still pretty much the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Dollar Posted January 16, 2010 Author Share Posted January 16, 2010 Still pretty much the same. Ok, thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin G. Dela Cruz Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Here's an interesting question: does anyone think it's maybe a little bit 'cheating' to use the knowledge of these dates? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 The dates are the same, but in FM10 you can change them. In the editor there's a space to select the date of your choice. In England, I've brought mine forward to June 6th to give me more time to plan my pre-season dealings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Dollar Posted January 16, 2010 Author Share Posted January 16, 2010 Here's an interesting question: does anyone think it's maybe a little bit 'cheating' to use the knowledge of these dates? Yes. Its very naughty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reli515 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 argentina is now july 1st and also (as it took me a moment to figure out when it happened), these aren't coded by date, but rather by day # of the year. So in a leap year after feb 29th all the dates will be one day before the listed till that year ends (IE all the summer/fall regen dates). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
silva_gunner Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Hardly cheating. They're actually season reset dates (fixtures,transfer budgets etc.) IRL every manager would know these. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burscoughnian Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Here's an interesting question: does anyone think it's maybe a little bit 'cheating' to use the knowledge of these dates? Sort of, yes. I'll admit I do cheat at this sometimes by saving on the day, seeing what I get in the regen lottery and reload my Save if unsatisfied. Have been known to reload 4/5 times until I see a "One of the best players of his generation" or at least a "One of the most gifted..." message appear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRoberts2 Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 where do you find these players? free agents? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
silva_gunner Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 Regens appear in youth teams on these days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRoberts2 Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 so in teams across those countries? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chochip Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 That's the season turnover dates for those countries and that's when they take in new youth players for their club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leto2626 Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 Here's an interesting question: does anyone think it's maybe a little bit 'cheating' to use the knowledge of these dates? You can see these dates of existing leagues in the editor, so why would it be cheating And if you manage a team in a nation you see when you get new youth, so ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 If you don't want to call it cheating, at least accept that it is an exploit - an unrealistic advantage gained, since it bears no relation to real life. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_numbers Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 Here's an interesting question: does anyone think it's maybe a little bit 'cheating' to use the knowledge of these dates? Not really. IRL, you would be able to follow players up and down the country from the ages of 10 and 11 years old. If anything, the fact we have to wait till they are 15 or 16 to judge their potential is more hindrance. Anyway, its not as though you can see them before the AI teams. You snooze, you lose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin G. Dela Cruz Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 If you don't want to call it cheating, at least accept that it is an exploit - an unrealistic advantage gained, since it bears no relation to real life. Exactly. That regens 'respawn' on specific dates and we can pursue them using knowledge of these dates does seem a little...underhanded. Anyway, its not as though you can see them before the AI teams. You snooze, you lose. I don't think that AI coaches are made to aggresively scout and chase the best new playeers on each of these regen dates. So while, if we see a 'super-player', we can scout and sign him - most AI managers will just sit back and let their scouts do their usual assignments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chochip Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 If there is a really good newgen, trust me, those big clubs will be interested in him only a day or two after their spawn date. I don't think AI teams use 'scouting' like human managers. They just somehow know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin G. Dela Cruz Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 If there is a really good newgen, trust me, those big clubs will be interested in him only a day or two after their spawn date. Not so. There was this one Lazio player on one of my saves who was absolutely immense, and nobody except me was interested in him. He was only 16, but his stats were so good, I wouldn't have had many qualms about putting him in the starting lineup (and this was at Bayern). Anyway, the fact is that AI managers do not systematically search for new, superb players immediately following the regen dates, while we are able to. It doesn't seem entirely fair. Not to mention the fact that any such systematic searching is completely unrealistic, and as one poster noted, at the very least an 'exploit'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubey84 Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 Benjamin - the big clubs DO go after the youngsters almost immediately. I've actually jumped in and poached the targets of Ajax, Inter and Barcelona who had approached these regens within one click of the continue button after they spawn. It's levelling the playing field really. It's not realistic perhaps, but the AI have the same advantage and use it. On another note though, it would be an interesting feature if you could scout the various Youth Academies so that when the supergens spawn, after presumably being at these academies for years, you're notified on the screen along with every other big club who have sent scouts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chochip Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 Not so. There was this one Lazio player on one of my saves who was absolutely immense, and nobody except me was interested in him. He was only 16, but his stats were so good, I wouldn't have had many qualms about putting him in the starting lineup (and this was at Bayern). Anyway, the fact is that AI managers do not systematically search for new, superb players immediately following the regen dates, while we are able to. It doesn't seem entirely fair. Not to mention the fact that any such systematic searching is completely unrealistic, and as one poster noted, at the very least an 'exploit'. If the top teams are not interested, it means they know something you don't. It could be crappy personality attributes, low PA, low consistency/important match/injury pronness etc. This is actually also another massive point about hidden attributes and AI advantage too lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin G. Dela Cruz Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 Benjamin - the big clubs DO go after the youngsters almost immediately. I've actually jumped in and poached the targets of Ajax, Inter and Barcelona who had approached these regens within one click of the continue button after they spawn. Very strange. I've never seen this. I always have the pick of the players available. This isn't only on FM10 either, it was the same story on 2009. If the top teams are not interested, it means they know something you don't.It could be crappy personality attributes, low PA, low consistency/important match/injury pronness etc. No, it doesn't. And not only did my 20/20 scout highly recommend him, but from what I understand AI managers don't get to see things that we don't, like 'low PA' or 'hidden attributes'. And it doesn't just apply to one-off cases as well, all the time, no matter which good young player I'm looking at, other clubs are just never interested. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike J Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 Whether an AI team is interested in a regen is as much down to luck as any form of insider knowledge on teh AI's part. As far as I can tell they have to scout players the same way you do so if you scout a player very soon after the game generates him you'll probably find there's little or no interest in him - yet. Similarly, if you leave it too long there's more chance of the AI spotting a talented youth before you. So, just like real life then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin G. Dela Cruz Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 Whether an AI team is interested in a regen is as much down to luck as any form of insider knowledge on teh AI's part. As far as I can tell they have to scout players the same way you do so if you scout a player very soon after the game generates him you'll probably find there's little or no interest in him - yet. Similarly, if you leave it too long there's more chance of the AI spotting a talented youth before you.So, just like real life then. Not so. With knowledge of 'regen dates' we can systematically scout and approach all the best youth players upon their 'generation' - conversely, the AI doesn't act as if it knows when players are generated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike J Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 Not so. With knowledge of 'regen dates' we can systematically scout and approach all the best youth players upon their 'generation' - conversely, the AI doesn't act as if it knows when players are generated. But assuming you aren't using some sort of scouting prgram like Genie Scout, you still have to actually identify the good regens, which the AI may do before you. You have an advantage in knowing exactly when the regens are created, though I don't see any way to prove how much of an advantage that might be. Certainly on my Milan save, after only a week of existence many of the Brazilian regens have already agreed to move clubs to Italy, Spain, England or Germany. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seba1980 Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 How do people search for these new players. I remember on the old CMs you used tio be able to pull up and list filtered by atributes you where looking for. Change the view to stats and then look for players with no stats on whatsoever. Look at the history and there isn't any. And this use to be done straight through a normal search. How are people doing it these days? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaunjc Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 click on ur name > search > player search theres then the filter option toward the top right Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seba1980 Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 Yes, But what do you use to search this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJESSE Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 Does anyone know the regen create day for ghana? Becuase i have a ghanian league Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
baker.simon Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 Does anyone know the regen create day for ghana? Becuase i have a ghanian league At a guess, whenever the rest of the African nations are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezequiel_Lavezzi Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 I do not see how its cheating. Just think of it this way - its the youth academy promoting kids out of a certain age group from lets say age 13 to 14-18's groups. I think FM is pretty woeful when it comes down to youth development and there should be more youth teams, more players and a better way to shape their skills/ability. I would like to see players coming to the club around the age of 8 to 12 with raw ability (Potential) and we should be able to mold their position depending on their natural talent. People make fun of games like TCM, FIFA Manager or LMA Manager, but some of those games were light years beyond FM when it came to youth team development and made the game a lot more fun and interesting. I remember in TCM I followed a youth player from age 7 all the way to being promoted through the ranks, to winning a league title with me when he was 25 and he was captain. When he came into the "kids" leagues, he already showed potential as a midfielder and had leadership skills already for his age! (unlike others, I used to like to try all manager games on the market - less so these years because games are just too expensive) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chochip Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Very strange. I've never seen this. I always have the pick of the players available. This isn't only on FM10 either, it was the same story on 2009.No, it doesn't. And not only did my 20/20 scout highly recommend him, but from what I understand AI managers don't get to see things that we don't, like 'low PA' or 'hidden attributes'. And it doesn't just apply to one-off cases as well, all the time, no matter which good young player I'm looking at, other clubs are just never interested. You will be very surprised if you actually had a look in one of those scouting tools after a few seasons and see how many good newgens top teams have signed without your knowledge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin G. Dela Cruz Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 But assuming you aren't using some sort of scouting prgram like Genie Scout, you still have to actually identify the good regens, which the AI may do before you. You have an advantage in knowing exactly when the regens are created, though I don't see any way to prove how much of an advantage that might be. Exactly. And we have another advantage in that we can and do use the 'player search' to quickly identify, scout, and round up all the best regens. It's a tactic that the AI managers don't seem to employ. You will be very surprised if you actually had a look in one of those scouting tools after a few seasons and see how many good newgens top teams have signed without your knowledge. I check the list of good youngsters every year, and I always have first pick. Any good newgens the computer teams have are newgens I scouted and rejected, probably in favor of better regens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maz Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 The dates are the same, but in FM10 you can change them. In the editor there's a space to select the date of your choice. In England, I've brought mine forward to June 6th to give me more time to plan my pre-season dealings. How do you this? i searched the editor and it seems it s not there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burscoughnian Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Yes,But what do you use to search this? Player Search for players with a maximum age of 16/17 is what I do and then put them in order of whatever I'm looking for. e.g. Pace for wingers or finishing for strikers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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