charlstonbigspuds Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 hi i know there have bn some similar threads im thinking of buying a new computer which i only ever use for FM as i think my old one will not run the new game great i dont really know much bout specs,but got around 400 to spend and seen some refurbished base units was just wondering if FM runs significantly better on PC's? Any help would be greatly appreciated Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakers Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 You'll get a better desktop machine for £400 than a laptop, if that helps. If you're just after a base unit - look for a Core 2 Quad or Duo, ATI or Nvidia graphics, 4gb of Memory and 500gb HDD. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlstonbigspuds Posted January 16, 2010 Author Share Posted January 16, 2010 thanks for the reply,i think im going to go for a desktop i have seen these and was wondering if anyone could give me advice on them and how many years they would play fm effectively on http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/minicat/new/upsell/lc_d005718?c=uk&cs=ukdhs1&l=en&s=dhs http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/minicat/new/upsell/inspiron-580-D005805?c=uk&cs=ukdhs1&l=en&s=dhs http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/store/pcw_page.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@1933967025.1263665521@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccfcadejgjedlehcflgceggdhhmdgmk.0&page=Product&fm=null&sm=null&tm=null&sku=502089&category_oid= Thanks for any help anyone can give me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakers Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 I would avoid integrated graphics and i3 processors - they'll be poor, especially for that price. The first machine is the best of the ones you posted, but upgrade the graphics card if at all possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlstonbigspuds Posted January 16, 2010 Author Share Posted January 16, 2010 thanks,would i be able to get a better desktop for similar money? the reason i chose them sites is cos they have buy now pay later offers on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 i have recently purchased the parts and my brother constructed my new computer for me, my laptop was simply insufficient. a laptop and pc can match each other - but a pc can be upgraded, and more cost-effective than a laptop. go for at least a dual-core processor, and plenty of RAM for game speed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakers Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Dell have some very good desktop deals. In fact I just ordered one for my mother from there for about £400 (base unit only). Think it had integrated graphics though. http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=d005722&c=uk&l=en&s=dhs&cs=ukdhs1 That's pretty good value. Not sure about the graphics card though, you should look into that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlstonbigspuds Posted January 16, 2010 Author Share Posted January 16, 2010 whats makes the graphics important just how it runs 3d? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakers Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Mostly yes. It's also key if you ever want to play another PC game. I wouldn't skimp on graphics for FM. Without being harsh to SI, they are not the best at optimising their game - particularly the 3d view. So while you can go for a really cheap card that meets the min requirements, you would have no chance of getting a decent 3d view. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlstonbigspuds Posted January 16, 2010 Author Share Posted January 16, 2010 yeah how much are decent graphic cards?i like the look of one you linked thanks a lot for that much better memeory for just little extra,prob all ill use the computer for is FM thats all the last one has ever bn used for Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlstonbigspuds Posted January 16, 2010 Author Share Posted January 16, 2010 just out of interest would that system run a few countries quite comfortably with large database? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 good graphics cards you are looking at £60 - my computer uses an inbuilt graphics card on the motherboard and it is perfectly satisfactory viewing, and nice and smooth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakers Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Yes, it would quite easily I would imagine. @ llama - have you got graphics set to automatic detail in FM by any chance? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 no, set to medium detail, with aspects like weather etc all turned on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakers Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 That explains why integrated graphics can run it smoothly then I would never recommend purchasing a PC with integrated graphics though, as it effects performance in general in Vista and Win7. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 was quite happy to go to integrated graphics, as i do not play graphically demanding games, and compensated with processor and RAM. havent noticed problems with performance in my computer at all either Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlstonbigspuds Posted January 16, 2010 Author Share Posted January 16, 2010 So would you wakers would that pc you recommended have a decent lifespan think ill try and purchase that one? llama what do you consider good processor n RAM mate? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 as for that my brother was the main help in choosing the exact, models, so dont want to give you advice out of my range, but ensure it is at least dualcore, and read up reviews on them - overclockers is a good website to try. and as for RAM a good 2gb should be enough off the top of my head really - but again, probably read up some reviews for a bit more knowledgeable advice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakers Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 No. Today you should be getting 4gb at least unless you're paying sub £300. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FM_Addict269 Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Guys I need major help!!! My last computer was only ever used for FM09 I dont play fancy games just that one. Which one will do the job of running FM2010 smoothly AMD Anthlon II X2 240(2.8GHz, 2MB cache) Integrated ATI Radeon HD 4200 graphics 2GB RAM OR Intel core 2 duo E7500(2.9GHz 3MB cache) Integrated Intel graphics media accelerator X4500 graphics 4gb RAM thanx am so confused.com about these graphics cards :S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakers Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Take the second one but only if you can put an nvidia/ati graphics card (not integrated) in there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FM_Addict269 Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Take the second one but only if you can put an nvidia/ati graphics card (not integrated) in there. what about this one then : AMD Athlon™ II X4 630 (2.8GHz, 2MB Cache) 6144MB Dual Channel DDR3 1066MHz [2x2048 + 2x1024] Memory 640GB (7200rpm) SATA Hard Drive Nvidia ® GeForce G310 512MB graphics card or Intel core 2 duo E7500(2.9GHz 3MB cache) Nvidia GeForce G310 512MB graphics card 6144MB Dual Channel DDR3 1066MHz [2x2048 + 2x1024] Memory which processor is better? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakers Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 The Athlon. How much is the first system? I don't see the point in getting 6gb of DDR 3 RAM either if it's not going to be an Intel i5/i7 processor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tottenhamfmo7 Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Take the second one but only if you can put an nvidia/ati graphics card (not integrated) in there. this. lol I would avoid integrated at all costs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FM_Addict269 Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 The Athlon. How much is the first system?I don't see the point in getting 6gb of DDR 3 RAM either if it's not going to be an Intel i5/i7 processor. The Athlon is priced at £479 without screen monitor I thought having more RAM improves the speed of the game? so would 6GB in the second one (intel core 2 duo) does nothing for the game then? The intel is at: £579 with 6GB RAM and GeForce or £549 with GeForce and Wireless PCIe Network card am clearly on a budget but badly need to play that game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakers Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 The athlon system is still the best. FM is a 32 bit application and so can never use more than 2gb. 4gb is optimal and 6gb is only really a worthwhile improvement when it's used in a triple channel set up, which only the i5/i7's can do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FM_Addict269 Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 The athlon system is still the best. FM is a 32 bit application and so can never use more than 2gb. 4gb is optimal and 6gb is only really a worthwhile improvement when it's used in a triple channel set up, which only the i5/i7's can do. So the athlon system will run FM smoothly with no hiccups even with loads of leagues? Heres another I think should be compared with the athlon: Intel® Core™ 2 Quad-Core Q8300 Processor (2.50GHz, 4MB cache, 1333MHz FSB) 4096MB Dual Channel DDR3 1066MHz [4x1024] Memory 640GB (7200rpm) SATA Hard Drive Nvidia ® GeForce G310 512MB graphics card the previous athlon was: AMD Athlon™ II X4 630 (2.8GHz, 2MB Cache) 6144MB Dual Channel DDR3 1066MHz [2x2048 + 2x1024] Memory 640GB (7200rpm) SATA Hard Drive Nvidia ® GeForce G310 512MB graphics card which one will run FM2010 smoothly?? thanx for all your advice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik86 Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 I use a laptop so i can play at the same time as I am "spending time" with the missus.... IE whilst she watches East Enders or something similar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakers Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 The Intel machine in that case, I would imagine. Define what you mean by 'loads of leagues' - even top of the range computers would struggle if you loaded every league in high detail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FM_Addict269 Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 The Intel machine in that case, I would imagine. Define what you mean by 'loads of leagues' - even top of the range computers would struggle if you loaded every league in high detail. Like: Premiership League one League two spanish league spanish league B French leage Italian Italian B Scotland Brazil Argentina Germany would the intel machine be able to run these without a hitch? and the intel is better than the athlon you reckon? why? - is it because of the processor? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakers Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 The processor will be better yes. The athlon quad core will also be able to run those leagues comfortably though I would imagine. My machine can and it's pretty mid range by now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FM_Addict269 Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 The processor will be better yes. The athlon quad core will also be able to run those leagues comfortably though I would imagine.My machine can and it's pretty mid range by now. AMD Athlon™ II X4 630 (2.8GHz, 2MB Cache) = quad core? so which one athlon or the intel and why? like why did you chose one over the other Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakers Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Well it's hard to decide for sure because I don't know what your budget is. The Athlon machine will no doubt be cheaper, but the Intel has the better processor, but I would guess it's quite a bit more expensive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FM_Addict269 Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Well it's hard to decide for sure because I don't know what your budget is. The Athlon machine will no doubt be cheaper, but the Intel has the better processor, but I would guess it's quite a bit more expensive. erm these are the specs for both: Intel® Core™ 2 Quad-Core Q8300 Processor (2.50GHz, 4MB cache, 1333MHz FSB) 4096MB Dual Channel DDR3 1066MHz [4x1024] Memory 640GB (7200rpm) SATA Hard Drive Nvidia ® GeForce G310 512MB graphics card the previous athlon was: AMD Athlon™ II X4 630 (2.8GHz, 2MB Cache) 6144MB Dual Channel DDR3 1066MHz [2x2048 + 2x1024] Memory 640GB (7200rpm) SATA Hard Drive Nvidia ® GeForce G310 512MB graphics card It may suprise you but the athlon is actually £30 more expensive!!! so the intel machine is more superior than the athlon because of the processor? and perhaps the reason its more expensive is because of the 6GB RAM instead of a 4GB RAM which makes very little difference on both these processors as to truely benefit from 6GB you need an i5 or i7 processor which neither of these 2 computers has so go for the intel right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakers Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Yep, Intel it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FM_Addict269 Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Yep, Intel it is. THANX MAN!!! any idea where I can buy really really cheap desktop monitors...like no more than £50? (although not a FM question just wondering) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakers Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Apart from ebay? I'm not sure but the Dell Outlet store might sell some for that cheap. I'm sure you could get a really basic 15" square monitor for that price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FM_Addict269 Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 Apart from ebay?I'm not sure but the Dell Outlet store might sell some for that cheap. I'm sure you could get a really basic 15" square monitor for that price. koolio cheapest I could find was £80 :S from dell but thanx for all your help and advice before as well have learnt a lot about processors and video cards etc your a LEGEND Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FM_Addict269 Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 Hi again new question which graphic cards will be compatible for playing FM2010? Integrated Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator 950 Integrated ATI Radeon HD4200 Graphics Integrated Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator X4500 Graphics Integrated HD 3200 Graphics Integrated ATI Radeon HD4200 Graphics Integrated Intel GMA x4500 graphics Integrated Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator HD 512MB ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4570 Nvidia ® GeForce G310 512MB graphics card Graphics Card - Single 1GB Nvidia GeForce GTS 240 Can you reply a Y/N for each of them and try to be accurate and precise...a lot of dosh lays within this decision Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakers Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 Hi again new question which graphic cards will be compatible for playing FM2010?Integrated Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator 950 Integrated ATI Radeon HD4200 Graphics Integrated Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator X4500 Graphics Integrated HD 3200 Graphics Integrated ATI Radeon HD4200 Graphics Integrated Intel GMA x4500 graphics Integrated Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator HD 512MB ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4570 Nvidia ® GeForce G310 512MB graphics card Graphics Card - Single 1GB Nvidia GeForce GTS 240 Can you reply a Y/N for each of them and try to be accurate and precise...a lot of dosh lays within this decision For best experience, avoid integrated graphics. Although they are all supported by FM, the Intel ones especially will not play the 3d match engine well. They are only really meant for laptops (even there they're being phased out) and very basic desktops. So; Integrated Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator 950 - No Integrated ATI Radeon HD4200 Graphics - No Integrated Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator X4500 Graphics - No Integrated HD 3200 Graphics - No Integrated ATI Radeon HD4200 Graphics - No Integrated Intel GMA x4500 graphics - No Integrated Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator HD - No 512MB ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4570 - Yes Nvidia ® GeForce G310 512MB graphics card - Yes Graphics Card - Single 1GB Nvidia GeForce GTS 240 - Yes I would need to know the prices you've been given for the last three to tell you which is best value for money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim_Cdy Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 Assuming that FM is CPU tied, you would not need to go for a top end GPU, but is still a good idea. If you can't stretch your budget, get a very good mid ranged card and imho, save up for a top end card later. Again this is just what i would do on a tight budget. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlstonbigspuds Posted January 24, 2010 Author Share Posted January 24, 2010 wakers mate just bout to purchase a pc this week does it matter if its 4gb ddr3 or ddr2 just can get one with the intel quad Q8300 but it only has ddr2?cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakers Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 If the processor is better than the alternative then go for that one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlstonbigspuds Posted January 24, 2010 Author Share Posted January 24, 2010 sorry the other is the amd x4 II 2.5ghz/2mb,so the ddr3 n ddr2 isnt much different then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim_Cdy Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 Ram speeds are down to the mobo. The Socket 775 Intel X48 DDR3 mobo's have support for 1333Mhz FSB 8300QC's Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakers Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 Confusing me now, does the intel have the ddr 3 or the amd? Nevermind, I unconfused myself. There won't be much difference between the two machines, if the amd has the DDR3. I would say go for what's cheapest in that case. Unless of course you're counting every precious frame per second like gamers do Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlstonbigspuds Posted January 24, 2010 Author Share Posted January 24, 2010 is there any way to simplify that mate im not good with computers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlstonbigspuds Posted January 24, 2010 Author Share Posted January 24, 2010 Confusing me now, does the intel have the ddr 3 or the amd? the intel has ddr2 n amd has ddr3 both 4gb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim_Cdy Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 This will support a 45NM Yorkfield Q8300 1333 http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-371-AS&groupid=701&catid=5&subcat=1050 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakers Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 This will support a 45NM Yorkfield Q8300 1333http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-371-AS&groupid=701&catid=5&subcat=1050 He's not looking for a motherboard, he's buying a prebuilt system Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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