arsenaltops Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Originally posted by Matt Cavanagh:imo belletti was affg for the second. young beat him and then he just jogged 40 yards back, rather than trying to make up for his error. ok, it was the 88th minute but it was still his fault. 1st goal was either mikel or drogba. probably drogba. shame about belletti for the second goal because I felt he had a good game. his crossing was excellent. also loving how dangerous terry and alex looked from corners. with two real threats, I can see lots of goals from set pieces this season. assuming alex starts a few. I am not looking forward to our encounter with you what with our inability to defend set peices and you having Alex and Terry playing for you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poyplemonkeys Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Alex and Terry to get that wonderful Huth and Terry, "I'll hold both of our markers back while you score the free header." routine down to perfection please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benoit2 Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Ballack not registered for the CL group fase. Apparently they cant guarantee he'll be fit for the majority of the games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridgekings Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Ballack hasnt been included in the squad list for the Champions League group stages. No Scotty Sinclair either Sort of explains why at the bottom. Squad List CL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMaster#28 Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 The rule are still worded wrong, or I am just not getting them. A 'club-trained player' is a player who - irrespective of his nationality and age - has been registered with his current club for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons If that's the case then you have your 6 home grown people and sinclair could have been on the A list. 1 CECH, Petr - club 3 COLE, Ashley - assocation 4 MAKELELE, Claude - club 6 CARVALHO, Ricardo - club 8 LAMPARD, Frank - club 9 SIDWELL, Steve - assocation 10 COLE, Joe - club 11 DROGBA, Didier - club 18 BRIDGE, Wayne - club etc etc So I'm not getting something, or everyone is quoting the rules wrongly (but they arn't because that's the direct rule quote from the offical champions league rules) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMaster#28 Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 of course the club trained rule has this or or of 36 months between the age of 15 and 21. Which I think the confusion arrises. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridgekings Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Under the regulations on player eligibility for the Champions League, no club may have more than 25 players on List A during the season. Six places on List A are reserved for 'locally trained players. Chelsea have only picked 23 players for List A, meaning that Sinclair and Ballack could have been included. However, as only 25 players can be put on the list over the course of the whole season, maybe they are saving space for potential January recruits. There is a strong chance I might have this completely wrong and misunderstood it all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick OGS20 Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 you're allowed to replace players in January with new recruits (up to three i think) so there'd be no point leaving them off the list for that reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridgekings Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Following the September 1 deadline for the submission of these lists, a club may register a maximum of three new eligible players for the remaining matches. Such registration must be completed by 1 February. Missed that, was tucked away at the bottom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poyplemonkeys Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 ffs Ballack Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
goon Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Why was Ballack left off? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridgekings Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Originally posted by goon:Why was Ballack left off? Injury supposedly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benoit2 Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Originally posted by bridgekings:Chelsea have only picked 23 players for List A, meaning that Sinclair and Ballack could have been included. Chelsea only have 23, because they dont have enough club-grown players (just Terry). Number 24 and 25 would have to be one of those, which neither Ballack or Sinclair are, which means they cant be registered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridgekings Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Originally posted by Francis Cole:of course the club trained rule has this or <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> or of 36 months between the age of 15 and 21. Which I think the confusion arrises. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Missed this, makes sense now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poyplemonkeys Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Getting rid of Huth such a ffffffffb idea. wp whoever is at fault for that. Never wanted him to be sold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaitsev Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 He's played loads at Boro hasn't, top decision Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratinho Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Originally posted by Benoit2:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bridgekings: Chelsea have only picked 23 players for List A, meaning that Sinclair and Ballack could have been included. Chelsea only have 23, because they dont have enough club-grown players (just Terry). Number 24 and 25 would have to be one of those, which neither Ballack or Sinclair are, which means they cant be registered. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> That made me smile btw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMaster#28 Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Chelsea only have 23, because they dont have enough club-grown players (just Terry). How are you interpreating the rule? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridgekings Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridgekings Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 woops Lassana Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poyplemonkeys Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Originally posted by Ratinho:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Benoit2: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bridgekings: Chelsea have only picked 23 players for List A, meaning that Sinclair and Ballack could have been included. Chelsea only have 23, because they dont have enough club-grown players (just Terry). Number 24 and 25 would have to be one of those, which neither Ballack or Sinclair are, which means they cant be registered. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> That made me smile btw. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Yeah it's wrong if what Francis quoted is directly from the rules, but smile away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratinho Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Your constant defensiveness makes me smile more tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMaster#28 Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 This is the full rule from both the chelsea site and the UEFA rules. I know what they mean (I think), but I'm sure there should be an extra comma or something before the "between the age of 15 and 21. " A 'club-trained player' is a player who - irrespective of his nationality and age - has been registered with his current club for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or of 36 months between the age of 15 and 21. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poyplemonkeys Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 It's not defensiveness. We don't have enough club trained players. Mainly because we sold the few that we did have, but also because we haven't produced enough. All will change in time though, that I'm sure of. By the way, wouldn't Mikel qualify for this because I was under the impression he was on trial for two years at the club when he was younger? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMaster#28 Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 I don't think a trial counts as "registered" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratinho Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Making me smile should never be construed as negative anyway Poyps. A little defensive though yeah. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick OGS20 Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Originally posted by Francis Cole:This is the full rule from both the chelsea site and the UEFA rules. I know what they mean (I think), but I'm sure there should be an extra comma or something before the "between the age of 15 and 21. " A 'club-trained player' is a player who - irrespective of his nationality and age - has been registered with his current club for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or of 36 months between the age of 15 and 21. i don't see why a comma is needed there? not getting the confusion about this in general tbf, it seems reasonably straightforward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poyplemonkeys Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Originally posted by Francis Cole:I don't think a trial counts as "registered" Yeah probably, but then again not many trials last that long so maybe it was something different officially. Would you not say being defensive would be to deny our deficiencies which I'm clearly not doing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poyplemonkeys Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Originally posted by Nick OGS20:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Francis Cole: This is the full rule from both the chelsea site and the UEFA rules. I know what they mean (I think), but I'm sure there should be an extra comma or something before the "between the age of 15 and 21. " A 'club-trained player' is a player who - irrespective of his nationality and age - has been registered with his current club for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or of 36 months between the age of 15 and 21. i don't see why a comma is needed there? not getting the confusion about this in general tbf, it seems reasonably straightforward. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Because without the comma the bolded part seems like one section of the rule and the non bolded part seems like a different section. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick OGS20 Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 i suppose there's some ambiguity there. i read it the correct way first off so couldn't really see the problem. should really change it to "a 'club-trained player' is a player who has spent - between the ages of 15 and 21 - either three entire seasons, or 36 continuous months, with his current club" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMaster#28 Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 yes But it isn't. I think a good lawyer could get Makelele registered as club player tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratinho Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Originally posted by poyplemonkeys:Would you not say being defensive would be to deny our deficiencies which I'm clearly not doing? Just a general thing I noticed, plenty of different types. Still a lovely young chap ofc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingcav Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 what are the numbers that you need for the CL? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
goon Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Surely Lampard, Cudicini and Cole are also club trained players then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratinho Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Lampard not trained at West Ham, and Joe Cole? And Cudicini came pre-21? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
goon Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Originally posted by Ratinho:Lampard not trained at West Ham, and Joe Cole? And Cudicini came pre-21? "irrespective of his nationality and age - has been registered with his current club for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
goon Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Oh yeah, I agree with Fran. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratinho Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Surely that includes the final part of the rule ffs? Between the ages of 15-21, or we brought Gilberto up did we? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
goon Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Then add a comma ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratinho Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 WhY? It's a full rule, can't see how it's confusing. Has letter, vowels and consonants abd everything. the only way it's confusing is if it doesn't mean exactly what is written up there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratinho Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 F**king hell, just read it again and tried to comprehend what people were confused at. Did you really think they were suggesting you could spend 36 months at a club between 15-21 OR 3 years at anytime? More fool me if that's the baffling case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratinho Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 * seasons Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
goon Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Because one can easily assume (if it wasnt obvious) that the 'or' includes the age bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
goon Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 tbf I only read it like that because Fran bolded the first part. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMaster#28 Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 We all knew what they mean, but the way its written suggests that what you suggested could be their intention. For example, let's for a second pretend pretend that was (as stupid as that may be) what they meant. Would they not write the rule in xactly the way they have? If they actually mean 36 months between 15-21 OR 3 years would they not have phrased it exactly like: A 'club-trained player' is a player who - irrespective of his nationality and age - has been registered with his current club for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or of 36 months between the age of 15 and 21. ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratinho Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 You can only assume that if you read it without your brain turned on fella. Seriously, how can it make sense any other way. It's probably written by Blatter or someone equally clueless. I'll let you off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
goon Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 And the other thing that can throw someone off is the "irrespective of nationality and AGE" bit. Surely it isnt irrespective of age if the player has to be between 15 and 21? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMaster#28 Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Seriously, how can it make sense any other way. I never claimed it made sense I mean Makelele as a home grown player Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMaster#28 Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 And which European league lasts for more than 12 months? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingcav Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 fran, what are the required numbers for the champions league? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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