Daaaaave Posted February 26, 2008 Author Share Posted February 26, 2008 page 50, bitches. the race will go on after tuesday because no one will tell hillary she's done Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnerfan Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 Originally posted by Daaaaave:page 50, bitches. the race will go on after tuesday because no one will tell hillary she's done But there is an upside to that. After she gets her butt kicked this time, there won't be a next time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaitsev Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 Originally posted by gunnerfan:Nixon "old" in 1960? Hardly. Then again, I remember what he looked like in 1974. IIRC, it wasn't that Kennedy looked younger than Nixon as much as the fact that he looked so much more confident. His style in the debate was to attack Nixon, much as a cross-examining attorney would do so. A favorite line of his was to begin a quesion with "Do you mean to say that..." - very much like Reagan in 1984 with his "There you go again!" Role of makeup too wasn't it? Kennedy simply looked better on camera, and people are suckers for shallow aesthetics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daaaaave Posted February 26, 2008 Author Share Posted February 26, 2008 in other news, floridians are ****ing ********. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daaaaave Posted February 26, 2008 Author Share Posted February 26, 2008 Originally posted by Zaitsev:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by gunnerfan: Nixon "old" in 1960? Hardly. Then again, I remember what he looked like in 1974. IIRC, it wasn't that Kennedy looked younger than Nixon as much as the fact that he looked so much more confident. His style in the debate was to attack Nixon, much as a cross-examining attorney would do so. A favorite line of his was to begin a quesion with "Do you mean to say that..." - very much like Reagan in 1984 with his "There you go again!" Role of makeup too wasn't it? Kennedy simply looked better on camera, and people are suckers for shallow aesthetics. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> not just "shallow aesthetics". nixon didn't even bother to shave. looked like a pimp. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boots Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 Someone catch me up here. Hillary is seriously in that much trouble in Ohio and Texas that this thing is over? Not coming down to superdelegates anymore? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daaaaave Posted February 26, 2008 Author Share Posted February 26, 2008 there's 4 big states left where hillary could make significant gains in her pledged delegate deficit. north carolina is widely expect to go for obama so that leaves 3: ohio, texas and pennsylvania. obama is now even in texas and 5-8 points behind in ohio, depending on whom you ask. vermont and rhode island, the other two states voting on 3/4, largely cancel each other out so at best hillary gets back 10-15 delegates in a 150+ deficit and there goes 2 of her best states. after that, she's got to rely on pennsylvania to make up the difference, which is virtually impossible, or somehow win by huge margins is states similar to ones she's been blown out in: oregon, mississippi, south dakota, montana, and wyoming. the only other races off the top of my head are kentucky, indiana and west virginia, which are probably demographically strong for hillary but don't have enough delegates to make a big difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobbler Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 Originally posted by boots:Someone catch me up here. Hillary is seriously in that much trouble in Ohio and Texas that this thing is over? Not coming down to superdelegates anymore? Obama is up by about 150 pledged delegates. There's no chance of superdelegates going against a gap of that margin. Obama has won 11 straight contests since Super Tuesday. In fact he hasn't won them, he's butchered them: Wisconsin was the closest margin and Obama won that by 17%. To even begin eating into that margin Clinton needs landslide wins in Texas and Ohio (think 20% in each). If Obama's close, he pretty much holds station with his 150 delegate advantage (especially as the Texas set-up looks to favour him and could see him get a majority of delegates even with a slim loss). If Obama wins Texas then the pressure from the party to pull the plug and start getting into General Election mode will become overwhelming and the rush of superdelegates/party elders to endorse Obama will be the final nail, if one is needed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobbler Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 Originally posted by Daaaaave:the only other races off the top of my head are kentucky, indiana and west virginia, which are probably demographically strong for hillary but don't have enough delegates to make a big difference. Indiana Poll Today, Obama +15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew K Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 The Cluster F That is the Clinton Campaign Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daaaaave Posted February 26, 2008 Author Share Posted February 26, 2008 Originally posted by Cobbler:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Daaaaave: the only other races off the top of my head are kentucky, indiana and west virginia, which are probably demographically strong for hillary but don't have enough delegates to make a big difference. Indiana Poll Today, Obama +15 </div></BLOCKQUOTE> too many undecideds for me to sway my opinion at this time. plus, the best region for hillary has been basically everything within 100ish miles of st louis outside the city limits. so I stay skeptical on ky, in and wv. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason the Yank Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 Originally posted by Cobbler:Bar something big, this thing is over next Tuesday. If she can pull out a split in Texas-Ohio, I think she can stagger on to Pennsylvania. Losing both is probably a mortal blow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaitsev Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 Originally posted by Andrew K:The Cluster F That is the Clinton Campaign bloody hell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnerfan Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 But even if she does, I suspect she will hang on until Obama actually has the required total. Sort of like Huckabee is doing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daaaaave Posted February 26, 2008 Author Share Posted February 26, 2008 Talking to media after a rally, Huckabee also said that Hillary Clinton was thoroughly vetted during her time in Arkansas, but may not have the experience to be president. “She’s been examined far more thoroughly than her opponent in the Democrat primary,†he said. “But are there are still things about Hillary that the country would need to know before they elect her president? Sure, because it¹s different being the wife of a president and being the president. And I know that she’s talked about her experience, but you know, to say that being married to the president gives you the experience to be president would be like me saying, you know, that being married to my wife gives me the capacity to explain child birth because after all I’ve been married to her and she’s given birth to our three children. I’d probably get slapped in the face by her if I suggested that I knew as much about child birth as she does because I’ve been married to her.†Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnerfan Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 Of course, Huckabee is going to say that. It validates (or tries to, anyway) his own pathetic lack of experience and preparation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daaaaave Posted February 26, 2008 Author Share Posted February 26, 2008 maybe, but I guarantee that child birth quip will get laughs every time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew K Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 Huckabee's a remarkable politician. I'm very worried about 2012. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason the Yank Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 BAM! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 Originally posted by Andrew K:Huckabee's a remarkable politician. I'm very worried about 2012. I wouldn't be. I've decided that Americans aren't as stupid as I thought they were. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daaaaave Posted February 26, 2008 Author Share Posted February 26, 2008 superhottie stephanie hanseth (d-sd) endorses obama bringing his superdelegate total to 4 for today (dodd and 2 dc "shadow senators"). 5 if you include greg oden. this should bring dcw's superdelegate total down to hillary +60. there's also scuttlebutt that john lewis has asked all of georgia's superdelegates to endorse obama since he won overwhelmingly in the state. if true, this may move 3 clinton superdelegates and 6 (including lewis himself) as yet undecided superdelegates. 7 if you include jimmy carter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recife Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 Obamacats. You can all start hating me now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnerfan Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 Originally posted by Andy Jordan:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Andrew K: Huckabee's a remarkable politician. I'm very worried about 2012. I wouldn't be. I've decided that Americans aren't as stupid as I thought they were. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>If Huckabee runs in 2012, it won't be as the new and exciting outsider. And it won't be in the mode of who can be more conservative than thou. Huckabee ran away from most of the things he had done as governor that made him more of a moderate than the image he thought the party wanted. The thing is, I can't see him garnering much of a record to run on four years from now. Like Giuliani, he's be old news. Unlike Giuliani, he still has time to do something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnerfan Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 superhottie stephanie hanseth (d-sd) I assume you're being sarcastic... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puedlfor Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 you know, Hillary's "I keep getting asked the question first, maybe this is like that SNL sketch, maybe you should ask Barack if he's comfortable" response was extremely bizarre. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnerfan Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 Originally posted by Puedlfor:you know, Hillary's "I keep getting asked the question first, maybe this is like that SNL sketch, maybe you should ask Barack if he's comfortable" response was extremely bizarre. That's just about the point I turned away from the debate and put my headphones on. Ten minutes later, my wife turned it off in disgust. There's only so much of "Is not!" "Is too!" I can stand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaitsev Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 I haven't watched a single debate yet, I don't think I've really missed anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaitsev Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 Mr Obama replied that experience should not be confused with longevity in Washington Boom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bflaff Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 Originally posted by Puedlfor:you know, Hillary's "I keep getting asked the question first, maybe this is like that SNL sketch, maybe you should ask Barack if he's comfortable" response was extremely bizarre. Hillary's only proven means of getting votes this election has been to get people to feel sorry for her, but this is taking it to absurd levels. It's sad that Russert and MSNBC were defensive about it after the debate. It was this week's 'Xerox' moment, minus the booing. Rest of the debate, from the little I saw, looked like a carbon copy of everything they've said since Day 1. I'm amazed that Clinton, who needs to adjust her lines and attacks because she's losing, is *still* using the same answers to the same questions that she was using in October. She still has no good response to Obama's argument that Clinton's experience doesn't count for jack if she lacks the judgment to use it properly. When Obama hits her with her Iraq AUMF vote, she re-used the same argument that the two of them have voted in lockstep since he entered the Senate, allowing him, again, to respond that there is a big difference between the options we have once we're already bogged down and committed, versus what should have been done to avoid the problems in the first place. Why is she following a debate decision tree that consistently allows Obama to win his points? Doesn't she go home at the end of these things and say, "Um, let's come up with a better way to handle that?" Terrible, terrible campaign. She deserves the beatdown she's going to get. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splendid Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 Originally posted by Zaitsev:Mr Obama replied that experience should not be confused with longevity in Washington Boom. Awesome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnerfan Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 I'm amazed that Clinton, who needs to adjust her lines and attacks because she's losing, is *still* using the same answers to the same questions that she was using in October. I think she has to be careful not to vary too much from what she's said in the past for fear of being accused of "waffling". This is yet another case where her connection to Bill - aka Waffle Willie - is not the advantage the media foofs had claimed at the outset of the campaign. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnerfan Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 As for the repetition in the debates, I couldn't agree more. Someone wrote the other day that the Dems have had 18 debates. My reaction was that they haven't had 18 debates, they've had the same debate 18 times. Ditto for the Republicans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kizzak Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 good piece on the economic advisors to obama, though I'm sure they have been tearing their hair out over some of the recent anti-nafta rhetoric http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=4d40a39e-8f57-4054-bd99-94bc9d19be1a Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daaaaave Posted February 27, 2008 Author Share Posted February 27, 2008 john lewis officially endorses obama byron dorgan officially endorses obama obama passed his 1,000,000th donor milestone last night. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bflaff Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 Obama has officially received donations from 1 million people (and counting). That's not one million donations. It's one million people. John Lewis finally makes it official and switches to Obama. Hillary, hilariously, now pressuring superdelegates not to publicly endorse anyone, because doing so would prematurely stop the primary process and pre-empt the people's votes in the remaining primary states. This wasn't such a problem until they all started moving, en masse, towards Obama. Clinton spinners claim that Obama is outspending them 4 to 1 in Ohio and 3 to 1 in Texas. Normally, it would seem sort of dumb to highlight the fact that you're getting outspent so badly, but all Clinton has left to sell is pity, so her campaign is apparently hoping that people will turn out and protect her from the big, bad Obama machine that's trying to crush her. And finally, a new Quinnipiac poll indicates that Hillary's lead in PA has already shrunk to just six points. If anyone has any final words they'd like to say to Mrs. Clinton, you have about a week to get them in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 what is your updated probability? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaitsev Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 Die, bitch? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaitsev Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 Possibly a little harsh. Maybe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bflaff Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 John McCain might as well use his time at the Republican Convention to formally surrender to Obama. McCain tries to drive the lane on Obama, and he rejects that weak **** into the fiftieth row. McCain: "I'm not embarrassed to tell you that I did not watch the Democrat debate last night," McCain said, "but I am told that Senator Obama made the statement that if Al Qaeda came back to Iraq after he withdraws -- after the American troops are withdrawn -- then he would send military troops back, if Al Qaeda established a military base in Iraq. I have some news: Al Qaeda is in Iraq. Al Qaeda, it's called Al Qaeda in Iraq Everyone there had a chuckle, but Obama didn't waste any time responding: Obama, with the backdrop of a roaring crowd of thousands behind him at Ohio State University lit into McCain's comments earlier today that didn't know that "al Qaeda IS in Iraq." Obama referenced last night's debate in Cleveland and explained Russert's hypothetical question on whether he would send troops back into Iraq to strike al Qaeda. "I said, well I would always reserve the right to go in and strike against al Qaeda if they were in Iraq," Obama said. "So, you know, this is how politics works. McCain thought that he could make a clever point by saying, 'Well, let me give you some news Barack, al Qaeda IS in Iraq,' like I wasn't reading the papers. Like I didn't know what was going on." Obama went on to lay the blame for terrorist activity in Iraq on McCain's shoulders. "But I have some news for John McCain," Obama said, "and that was that there's no such thing as al Qaeda in Iraq until George Bush and John McCain decided to invade Iraq!" He added: "I've got some news for John McCain: He took us into a war, along with George Bush, that should have never been authorized and never been waged. They took their eye off the people who were responsible for 9/11, and that would be al Qaeda in Afghanistan that is stronger now than anytime since 2001." "I've been paying attention John McCain! That's the news," Obama roared into the mic so loudly that he was barely intelligible. The crowd of college students screamed encouragingly. "So John McCain may like to say he wants to follow Osama bin Laden to the gates of Hell," Obama said, "but so far all he's done is follow George Bush into a misguided war in Iraq that's cost us thousands of lives and billions of dollars." And anytime McCain wants to pretend that his judgment on Iraq is superior, all Obama has to do is remind people that McCain was stupid enough to say last April that the surge had made Baghdad safe enough that "you or I could walk through these neighborhoods today." At the time he said this he was walking through an open air market wearing a bulletproof vest and was being escorted by 100 soldiers, 3 Blackhawk helicopters, and 2 Apache gunships. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daaaaave Posted February 27, 2008 Author Share Posted February 27, 2008 milkshake. drunk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnerfan Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 I'm sure there will be ample opportunity for McCain and Obama to square off on Iraq come fall. Each has a difficult question to answer that has not yet been asked in any of the debates. McCain will have to explain what kind of long term commitment he expects to maintain, and under what conditions (as well as whatever conditions would, in his judgment, justify our withdrawal). Obama will have to explain how he expects to deal with the vacuum that pulling out of Iraq will create. Saying he'd send troops back in if Al Quaeda shows up is not enough. There needs to be a comprehensive plan to stabilize the region. If the debate devolves into who knows more about Iraq, the one who knew that The Surge was a better strategy or the one who knew not to go in to begin with, no one's interest will be served. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnerfan Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 Just to amplify - the important question is not what should have been done. The important question is what is in our best interests to do now. The difficulty for Obama is that pulling out now does not put us back to the same condition we were in before we went in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason the Yank Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 Originally posted by gunnerfan:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">superhottie stephanie hanseth (d-sd) I assume you're being sarcastic... </div></BLOCKQUOTE> No way. Daaaaave so wise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason the Yank Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 That said, it's actually Stephanie HERSETH. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnerfan Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 Yes, I noted that as well. However, it must be said that she is a truly unattractive woman. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnerfan Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 Well, it won't be the first time Daaaaave's tastes and mine have not been in agreement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason the Yank Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 Originally posted by gunnerfan:Yes, I noted that as well. However, it must be said that she is a truly unattractive woman. Lies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LokedOut420 Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 As the Ohio and Texas primaries get closer, political candidates are shaking hands, kissing babies, and ... making phone calls to Greg Oden?Sure enough, Barack Obama made a call to Oden on Tuesday to discuss several issues including basketball, mohawks, and Oden's recent knee injury. "He is a real sports fan and he knew about the Blazers," Oden posted on his Internet blog. "(Obama) said that when I come back Brandon (Roy), LaMarcus (Aldridge) and I will be a force next year. "He also asked me about my knee, and he said he wasn't feeling my mohawk." Oden described himself as nervous about the call, but felt easier after he checked Obama's Web site to learn more about his political positions. Oden said that the two didn't talk politics during their conversation. Still, while the Oregon primary isn't until May 20, Obama seems to have persuaded at least one more voter to go his way. "He is a very nice man and I am a big fan. Senator Obama is getting my vote." As if Daaaaave needed another reason to be smug. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaitsev Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 I can no longer watch Primary Colors without wanting to throw something at my expensive tv. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bflaff Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 Hillary "It's Only a Flesh Wound" Clinton says all these lossses were all part of her clever plan: JUDY WOODRUFF: People look at what's happened in your campaign, Senator Clinton, and they say, what has happened? All of last year you were the front runner, you were the presumed, you were headed for that nomination and then January comes along, boom, Senator Obama starts winning primaries. He has now won eleven in a row. How do you explain what's happened? MRS. CLINTON: None of this is surprising to me. You know, last spring when I looked at how the race was shaping up, I knew that it would be a close contest and I assumed it would be with Senator Obama and at that time I said we have got to start thinking about Texas, we have to start thinking ahead. She's also employing the ill-fated John Edwards strategy of claiming some unseen momentum in the final days before the vote, telling reporters on her campaign plane that "people are really rallying to my candidacy." This was also funny when Edwards people were saying the same thing before Iowa and New Hampshire. But the really mind-blowing lie of the night was that she's also claiming that she's raising $1 million a day over the internet since Super Tuesday. WTF is she talking about? Are they spending it all on donuts? Because Obama's obliterating her on the airwaves in Ohio and Texas. Clinton just begging for the McCarthy "Sir, have you no shame?" treatment from an interviewer soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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