Aim_Less Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 I think that 64bits OS had huge jump with vista 64 and is now almost mainstream . i think its time to FM to have a 64bits mode because it will have a performance boost hover the 32bits version wen using a 64bits OS what you guys think»? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawsie Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 its nowhere near mainstream. People avoud vista like the plague and for very good reasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim_Less Posted June 16, 2009 Author Share Posted June 16, 2009 its nowhere near mainstream. People avoud vista like the plague and for very good reasons. there is nothing wrong with vista don't speak nonsense , all important issues were fixed with SP1 and SP2 fixed the rest of them , vista is fine Most vista hatters don't know wtf their talking about , and the rest don't have a pc that can handle it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brindlefly Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 He is on about 64 bit operating systems, and to be honest, the 64 bit version of windows 7 rc is fantastic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim_Less Posted June 16, 2009 Author Share Posted June 16, 2009 i use both Vista64 and Windows 7 RC 64 bits and both run awesome 64bitsOS had a huge boost compared with the 32bits brother , people are turning to them because their more safe and stable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
baker.simon Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Sorry, computer ignoramus here, but how can i tell what my OS is? Whether its 32 or 64? And whats the differences between them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim_Less Posted June 16, 2009 Author Share Posted June 16, 2009 this will tell you everything you need http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/64-bit-vista-install,review-31606.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neji Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 A 64 Bit version would be nice but I wouldn't hold your breath for FM10. Vista is much more of a system hog than XP, which is why people (including myself) avoid it. The performance difference is more than enough for me to stick with XP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim_Less Posted June 16, 2009 Author Share Posted June 16, 2009 A 64 Bit version would be nice but I wouldn't hold your breath for FM10.Vista is much more of a system hog than XP, which is why people (including myself) avoid it. The performance difference is more than enough for me to stick with XP. yeah its more heavy however i dont notice any difference of speed wen compared with XP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neji Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 yeah its more heavy however i dont notice any difference of speed wen compared with XP I only notice the difference when playing games on the highest settings. Vista, I see a lot more lag and on XP I don't see any. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temp Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Someone with one/two core processor upgrading to a quad core would notice more of a speed bump in FM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pathogenic Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 I think that 64bits OS had huge jump with vista 64 and is now almost mainstream .i think its time to FM to have a 64bits mode because it will have a performance boost hover the 32bits version wen using a 64bits OS what you guys think»? I reckon this should have happened for Mac users on Leopard. I absolutely would be delighted if it happened for Snow Leopard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim_Less Posted June 16, 2009 Author Share Posted June 16, 2009 I only notice the difference when playing games on the highest settings. Vista, I see a lot more lag and on XP I don't see any. that's because of DX10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawsie Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 aim less, the reasons why it is nowhere near mainstream as i mentioned in the very first reply post is that it simply is not supported by games, games in development nor any other mention of future games that would utilise a 64bit operating system. Oh that and the fact that it is very incompatible with a lot of older games, games that people still play and would like to play. I had vista 64bit on my comp and it crashed in recent games and would just not work with older games at all, especially since i was using 64bit graphics drivers. The games industry doesn't seem to be bothered at all by it, why would the general consumer XP all the way for me and the mass majority and as i said its for many very good reasons. At least its stable and compatible. Of course a switch to 64bit will have to happen soon and i hope it does, but i suppose in doing so they would freeze out quite a large part of any potential market as you say quite a lot of people would have to fork out for a new machine or upgrades just to simply take that step up. So in theory it would only happen gradually, but will happen. My machine has 8GB of RAM and i know that most of it is being wasted running 32 bit, but i just couldn't use vista with all the problems it has, so im waiting... waiting... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim_Less Posted June 16, 2009 Author Share Posted June 16, 2009 I am using Vista 64 bits and i ran older games fine . i found 2 games that didn't worked , but using DosBox they worked fine , also there titles that work on 64 bits natively here is list of the one's i know : Half-Life 2 Lost Coast Bet On Soldier: Blood Sport Codename: Panzers (Phase one) Colin McRae Rally 2005 Chronicles of Riddick: Escape from Butcher Bay Far Cry Fahrenheit Shadow Ops: Red Mercury Unreal Tournament 2004 WWII Tank Commander S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Shadow of Chernobyl Dreadnought Crysis Crysis Warhead Also Vista 64 is a lot more stable than XP trust me,never had any BSO ( formated my system in January due to change of mother board ) and the programs i use hardly crash , everything is stable Edit : also most processors are 64 bits , since the first P4 Prescott they are all 64bits so 64bits processors are here way before 64bits OS came Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawsie Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 yeah but i mean older games, almost classic ones of any genre. They tend not to work which is a shame. Of course the same can be said of XP but in my experience if it doesnt work on my friends via vista it tends to work on mine. Speaking of which i thought i would mention this but as a youngin' i had klingon honour guard on a really old pc, talking a 33Mhz beast here or something similar. Anyway tried to play it the other day and it seems that there is no frame limit on the game itself, man its like playing a game in fast forward. You really need skill to play that game now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiitastic Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 why try to fix something that is not broken ? and a vast majority of fm games use 32bit. So why feel the need to change ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim_Less Posted June 17, 2009 Author Share Posted June 17, 2009 because 64bits can grant up to 30% or more performance gain in game processing , and why do you fell it will be broken? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
laxinthe303 Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 Wiitastic - How about because I'd like to use 12 gigs of RAM? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim_Less Posted June 17, 2009 Author Share Posted June 17, 2009 yah 32bits have a 2gb use of ram limit ,64bits doesnt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theodore80 Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 The 32 bit limit is 4GB for both system and graphics memory and not 2GB. The 64 bit limit is some Terra Bytes of RAM depending on the operating system.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gauvner Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 Maybe when 64bits become the majority of customers of the game. Im all for the future and plan to upgrade when i get the money. But i dont agree with the op saying just because him and a minority have 64bits OS that everybody should be dragged to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim_Less Posted June 17, 2009 Author Share Posted June 17, 2009 Maybe when 64bits become the majority of customers of the game. Im all for the future and plan to upgrade when i get the money. But i dont agree with the op saying just because him and a minority have 64bits OS that everybody should be dragged to it. its not a question of being dragged they are perfectly capable of making a 64 bits version its a matter of coding a different exe and some other files . if you have a 32bits os it will still work it would use 32bits binaries and minority ? according to a tech site 64bits is almost 52% of vista users , i would call a minority XP64 users Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveRH Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 Maybe when 64bits become the majority of customers of the game. Im all for the future and plan to upgrade when i get the money. But i dont agree with the op saying just because him and a minority have 64bits OS that everybody should be dragged to it. tbh FM doesn't really consume enough memory on it's own (unless you go mental with your league selections at the start of the game) to require a 64 bit compilation. As long as it works with both 32 and 64 bit Windows then I don't see a need to do the extra work. To address the 32 or 64 bit question, any enthusiast machine should really be 64 bit. When you have graphics cards which have 1gb or 2gb of memory (which use the same address space as 'normal' memory) then 64 bit is definately the way forward. By and large though it's horses for courses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakers Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 A 64 Bit version would be nice but I wouldn't hold your breath for FM10.Vista is much more of a system hog than XP, which is why people (including myself) avoid it. The performance difference is more than enough for me to stick with XP. People who say this really don't understand why it hogs more resources. It does it so that it can improve the performance of your hardware. If you have any dual core machine with more than 1gb of memory, there is no need to avoid Vista at all. If you have lots of RAM in an XP machine, then you've wasted money on that extra memory, because it will never be used. At least Vista and 7 use superfetching to cache programs and increase overall response time of the OS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakers Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 The 32 bit limit is 4GB for both system and graphics memory and not 2GB. The 64 bit limit is some Terra Bytes of RAM depending on the operating system.. This is wrong. 32 bit can only use 3.25 TOTAL memory. It will recognise 4, but cannot use it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gauvner Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 its not a question of being dragged they are perfectly capable of making a 64 bits version its a matter of coding a different exe and some other files .if you have a 32bits os it will still work it would use 32bits binaries and minority ? according to a tech site 64bits is almost 52% of vista users , i would call a minority XP64 users Yes but compare the XP users 64/32 to Vista 64/32 i bet it favours XP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakers Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 no one uses XP64 because it has lots of compatability issues, as well as other problems. There are more people using Vista than you think, its only the people with dated hardware and/or people who have fallen from all this "Vista is rubbish" garbage that cling on to XP like their life depends upon it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim_Less Posted June 17, 2009 Author Share Posted June 17, 2009 Yes but compare the XP users 64/32 to Vista 64/32 i bet it favours XP. on 32bits xp wins because of the reasons Wakers mentioned .According to steam hardware survey the difference is 50% users use XP and vista users are 26% however XP lost 3% since the last survey on 64 bits vista wins with a huge margin According to The steam Survey again 0.42% use XP64 and Vista 64 is 11% no one uses XP64 because it has lots of compatability issues, as well as other problems. There are more people using Vista than you think, its only the people with dated hardware and/or people who have fallen from all this "Vista is rubbish" garbage that cling on to XP like their life depends upon it Indeed lol there a lot of people who use vista , steam survey only covers steam users , i will try to find better sources Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveRH Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 The vast majority of users will never 'choose' an operating system. They'll get what they're given by their vendor - which is generally the easiest to support from the vendor's point of view. Do you think PC World are really going to want to be bothered with home users phoning them or bringing machines back to store with compaints about it 'not working' when the problem is actually a 64 bit OS? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gauvner Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 I admit Aimless and Wakers that i own Vista32. & i can honestly say i like vista, but i know people cling onto Xp weather its from what you say or what DaveRH said. But FM shouldnt be 64 at least until 2012 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim_Less Posted June 17, 2009 Author Share Posted June 17, 2009 The vast majority of users will never 'choose' an operating system. They'll get what they're given by their vendor - which is generally the easiest to support from the vendor's point of view.Do you think PC World are really going to want to be bothered with home users phoning them or bringing machines back to store with compaints about it 'not working' when the problem is actually a 64 bit OS? since wen 64bits OS is a problem ? and why would they call for help, if a system has propers drivers why wouldnt work properly? ALL processors now are 64bits and all new hardware has 64bits drivers I admit Aimless and Wakers that i own Vista32. & i can honestly say i like vista, but i know people cling onto Xp weather its from what you say or what DaveRH said. But FM shouldnt be 64 at least until 2012 we will see , has a said 64 bits is a lot more suported now then wen it was with xp64 and its advancing fast maybe we see it sooner who knows Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakers Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 Yea, there's no point coding FM in 64bit only for a good few years yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GillsMan Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 yeah but i mean older games, almost classic ones of any genre. They tend not to work which is a shame. Of course the same can be said of XP but in my experience if it doesnt work on my friends via vista it tends to work on mine.Speaking of which i thought i would mention this but as a youngin' i had klingon honour guard on a really old pc, talking a 33Mhz beast here or something similar. Anyway tried to play it the other day and it seems that there is no frame limit on the game itself, man its like playing a game in fast forward. You really need skill to play that game now I use a 64bit OS (Win7) and I have these old games installed and playable: Rollercoaster Tycoon Rollercoaster Tycoon 2 Theme Hospital Monopoly Tycoon Sid Meier's Railroads Max Payne GTA III Hitman 3 Microsoft Train Simulator Worms Armageddon Resident Evil 4 64bit OS is the future (and it should be the present tbh) - it enables you to use more than the 3.5GB RAM that a 32bit OS allows (everyone with 4GB+ of RAM using a 32bit OS is wasting RAM essentially as it can't be utilised). More and more apps are becoming 64bit - Mozilla are testing a 64bit version of Firefox, for example, as well as Adobe with Flash and so on. 64bit is the future, 32bit is the past. There are more than enough drivers on 64bit now as well. That said, I'd be shocked if FM10 was 64bit, but maybe FM11 or FM12 will be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakers Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 Old games and not working on new OSs have nothing to do with it being 64bit. Otherwise, there would be issues with running any 32bit program in a 64bit OS..there isn't. I haven't come across an old game that doesn't work with compatability mode. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GillsMan Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 Old games and not working on new OSs have nothing to do with it being 64bit. Otherwise, there would be issues with running any 32bit program in a 64bit OS..there isn't.I haven't come across an old game that doesn't work with compatability mode. Quite right (for the most part anyway - there are a couple of exceptions of software/games which specifically won't run on 64bit). And just to add to that, none of the games I listed have to be run in compatibility mode. I should just point out that there were two games I couldn't install: Myst & Riven, but I couldn't even install Riven on XP so that's no great surprise (thank God for VMWare and a very, very old Windows 98 disk). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveRH Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 I don't think anyone's saying that FM wouldn't work as a 64 bit program, or can't work in a 64 bit environment (with clever tweaking by the OS). It's just that it won't bring anything to the product that isn't there already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim_Less Posted June 18, 2009 Author Share Posted June 18, 2009 I don't think anyone's saying that FM wouldn't work as a 64 bit program, or can't work in a 64 bit environment (with clever tweaking by the OS).It's just that it won't bring anything to the product that isn't there already. actually it would bring: +faster loading times +more ram usage ( wen you have 4gb of ram low ram isn't a problem ) +faster processing these are much need improvements wen you select a lot of leagues Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveRH Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 actually it would bring: +faster loading times +more ram usage ( wen you have 4gb of ram low ram isn't a problem ) +faster processing It won't do any of those things for the average user. Faster loading times and faster processing are a definate no. In a heavily multi-tasked environment (so users having a lot of processess running) then it might make a difference, or for a user who fires up every league - but most users don't do that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavinkil Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 Yes but the idea that people dont fire up every league is due to the slow down, if the slow down was reduced more people would do this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakers Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 You know what, before they do this, they need to get their issues with threading sorted out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiitastic Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 yah 32bits have a 2gb use of ram limit ,64bits doesnt wrong, mine is 32bit and it says I have 3gb ram. Even though I have 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiitastic Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 yah 32bits have a 2gb use of ram limit ,64bits doesnt Wiitastic - How about because I'd like to use 12 gigs of RAM? why on earth would you want to use 12gb ram ? no game needs anywhere near that much, nor does any machine need that much Ram to run both games and other software at the same time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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