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    BuryBlade
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    I noticed in my actual save, none of my players technical attributes had increased in 2 years. I’ve since run three test saves and technical attributes do not develop, similar to the bug in full fat FM during beta. 
     

    Below are screenshots of some players I’d certainly expect to develop from start of game and 5 years time. Was the fix that applied to full fat FM, applied to Touch? 
     

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    For contrast, I’ve ran the same test save on full fat FM and there are no issues with technical development. Players all developed as you would expect. 

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    There is another thread with this issue.

    Thanks all for flagging this with the team. This is a known issue and it's currently with the dev team. We'll update you as and when we have more info.

    Thanks for all your patience and we apologise for the inconvenience. 
     

     

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    2 hours ago, randylahey187 said:

    I posted this on Reddit and I figured I should bring it to the attention of SI aswell. I have noticed this year that young players, particularly newgens, aren't developing like they were last year. You can see that clearly by the fact I've played 8 seasons on my save and there still isn't a single newgen that's good enough to be considered a top 50 player in the world. Please find the images linked below and update the game so that newgens develop properly like they did last year. This is ruining the game for me personally and I'm sure I'm not the only one. 

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    This post from the main forum area further highlights how much of an issue this is. 

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    This was address within Football Manager 2023 Touch on Apple Arcade. If you are still continuing to see issues within the Apple Arcade version, please do post your findings and we can look into this further. 

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    8 hours ago, Desmond Richardson said:

    This was address within Football Manager 2023 Touch on Apple Arcade. If you are still continuing to see issues within the Apple Arcade version, please do post your findings and we can look into this further. 

    Plenty of us have posted since the update highlighting this is definitely not fixed. I provided another batch of test screenshots, and others have posted images and feedback.

    It’s such a shame that FM23 actually has a decent match engine for once, but the rest of the game is a mess and unplayable. 

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    8 hours ago, BuryBlade said:

    Plenty of us have posted since the update highlighting this is definitely not fixed. I provided another batch of test screenshots, and others have posted images and feedback.

    It’s such a shame that FM23 actually has a decent match engine for once, but the rest of the game is a mess and unplayable. 

    Despite being save compatible it's unlikely to show real progress in a game which is already in progress. Have you tested this with a brand new save and are the players you're testing with in active nations? 

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    1 minute ago, Desmond Richardson said:

    Despite being save compatible it's unlikely to show real progress in a game which is already in progress. Have you tested this with a brand new save and are the players you're testing with in active nations? 

    Yes to both. Started new test save and provided the screenshots in the other thread. After 5 years on holiday mode, I compared players to how they are on day 1. Majority show very little progress still. 
     

    It’s not just me either. Multiple posters here highlighting this issue and seen similar on Reddit.

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    On 29/11/2022 at 19:29, BuryBlade said:

    5 year test with Denmark, England, Italy, France and Spain loaded. Slightly better than last test but still seems technical attributes don’t develop as they should do. Difference from last time is at least some of the players actually show good progress. 


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    Here’s the first post of several in a row with my test screenshots after the update was released.

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    19 hours ago, CFuller said:

    Despite ongoing computer issues, I've managed to get my latest simulation save up until the end of the 2032/2033 season. I've loaded just the top two divisions in each of the 'Big Five' European leagues, so it's not the ideal set-up, but it's the best I can do right now.

    I'll have a closer look at the results tomorrow (or perhaps later in the week), but looking at the younger players who are playing for the leading national teams, it doesn't make good reading. Here's a run-down of how many players aged 23 and under - or aged 23 and under - have at least 1 international cap, compared to at the start of the game.

    PLAYERS WITH AGE 27 AND UNDER AGE 23 AND UNDER
    AT LEAST 1 CAP Start 2033 Start 2033
    England 42 6 13 2
    France 32 7 10 0
    Germany 30 12 7 1
    Italy 38 4 15 0
    Spain 51 8 18 1
    Argentina 30 17 8 7
    Belgium 23 17 10 4
    Brazil 27 13 6 5
    Netherlands 34 4 13 0
    Portugal 28 9 10 1

    Once again, I am over a decade into a new save, and the top national teams are still being completely dominated by real players - mostly in their 30s. You rarely see any young players get capped before the age of 21.

    Italy is the most extreme example of this. Of the four youngest players who have an international cap, two are real players - Wisdom Amey (debut aged 21) and Simone Pafundi (debut aged 27). Only two newgens have been capped by Italy - aged 24 and 25 respectively - and they have NINE caps between them.

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    As you can see, these two aren't bad players at all. Moretti was performing very well for Atalanta in Serie A for a couple of years, but he didn't get capped until his second season in Saudi Arabia. Rondoni was capped one year ago while he was at Arsenal, and despite being a strong performer for a Rennes team who've just qualified for the Champions League, he hasn't played for the Azzurri since.

    Now here's another Italian newgen who has developed pretty nicely and surely should have had a few caps by now, though his career trajectory is a very strange one:

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    Sforzini's career began with a promising run of Serie A games for Napoli when he was just 16-17, but then he spent about a season-and-a-half on loan at Bari, where he featured in nine Serie B games. Then he returned to Napoli for two years in the wilderness, where he made no first-team appearances - and apparently didn't even play at all in 2028/2029. (No serious injuries either; he didn't pick up an injury that lasted more than a week until he was 24.)

    And yet, despite doing practically nothing at the top level for four years, Sforzini still earned a £26million to Benfica, for whom he featured sporadically over the next three years. And yet that somehow convinced Premier League champions Manchester City to pay £45million for him and use him in more than half their games of another championship season! :lol:

    FM's transfer AI has always been a bit wonky, and this pretty much sums it up.

    But once again, the issue here isn't that players' attributes are too slow to develop. It's their relatively low reputations compared to older players that consistently hold them back, while allowing those older players to stay at the top level for longer than they perhaps should. As long as the AI's squad-building and team selection logic continues to heavily prioritise reputation over development, we'll continue to see clubs and national teams with ridiculously old squads once we get deep into a save.

    I'm looking to upgrade to a new system pretty soon that will hopefully be able to simulate more leagues and more levels. If this issue is still prevalent in larger save set-ups, it will be a huge disappointment, and will put me off starting any kind of long-term career on FM23.

    Also seems to be a problem in full fat FM. 

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    Hello, 

     

    still Players aren’t developing properly in this edition. Can we receive an update? The game is not worth it without proper development of young players. 

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    22 hours ago, Stanislav said:

    Has this issue been fixed? Its the biggest reason I am detered from playing FM Touch. Whats the point if none of the players grow?

    Waiting to find out as well if it’s been fixed in todays update. don’t see anything in the patch notes though…

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