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    Hi here are a few errors for Schalke in the database

    Marco Knoop is not the goalkeeping coach of Schalke -> Goalkeeping Coach of Fc St. Pauli https://www.fcstpauli.com/teams/profis/marco-knoop/

    Mathias Schober should not considered as assistant coach -> If one would like to bring in then as head of youth development -> https://schalke04.de/knappenschmiede/personal/leitung/mathias-schober/

    Sami Pierau is not the performance analyst from Schalke -> Performance analyst from Fc St. Pauli https://www.fcstpauli.com/teams/profis/sami-pierau/

    Jonas Wömmel is not an assistance coach from Schalke -> Teammanager (Role does not exist) from Fc St. Pauli https://www.fcstpauli.com/teams/profis/jonas-wommel/

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    VfL Bochum: Dariusz Wosz is no member of the Bochum staff right now. He wasn't last year and is not this year. I know transfermarkt has him listed there, but he is not. Especially not in the role he has in the game right now.

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    2 hours ago, Super Saiyajin Karn3ol said:

    Hi here are a few errors for Schalke in the database

    Marco Knoop is not the goalkeeping coach of Schalke -> Goalkeeping Coach of Fc St. Pauli https://www.fcstpauli.com/teams/profis/marco-knoop/

    Mathias Schober should not considered as assistant coach -> If one would like to bring in then as head of youth development -> https://schalke04.de/knappenschmiede/personal/leitung/mathias-schober/

    Sami Pierau is not the performance analyst from Schalke -> Performance analyst from Fc St. Pauli https://www.fcstpauli.com/teams/profis/sami-pierau/

    Jonas Wömmel is not an assistance coach from Schalke -> Teammanager (Role does not exist) from Fc St. Pauli https://www.fcstpauli.com/teams/profis/jonas-wommel/

    THese have been amended. Uhm, thought I had actually replied to this already. Or did this get posted twice? Well, doesn't matter. I've made the changes.
     

    Schober is set as HoYD, but he might get pushed into another role, as we also seem to have Max Balster as HoYD.

     

    Ah - I had it open in another browser window. I think it's way past my bedtime. But issues checked and fixed - however, who would take preference as Head of Youth Development?

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    1 hour ago, VidDaP said:

    VfL Bochum: Dariusz Wosz is no member of the Bochum staff right now. He wasn't last year and is not this year. I know transfermarkt has him listed there, but he is not. Especially not in the role he has in the game right now.

    Ok, thanks.  I have removed him.

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    vor 1 Stunde schrieb Jeroen Thijssen:

    THese have been amended. Uhm, thought I had actually replied to this already. Or did this get posted twice? Well, doesn't matter. I've made the changes.
     

    Schober is set as HoYD, but he might get pushed into another role, as we also seem to have Max Balster as HoYD.

     

    Ah - I had it open in another browser window. I think it's way past my bedtime. But issues checked and fixed - however, who would take preference as Head of Youth Development?

    That is really hard to say there would be 3 to choose from.
    Mathias Schober is director of the youth Academy 
    Max Balster is the coordinator 
    Till Beckmann (Assistance coach also not the right role) is the head of the oraganisation department and the organizer of the youth performance center

    In the end I would probably choose Till Beckmann because of his tasks and the hierarchy. But yes that's hard you have 3 people and if all should be included in the game I would rather integrate them as u19 assistant coach which is also not really right. 

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    One potential error I noticed is Jordan Siebatchieu should be listed as Jordan Pefok. There's a famous story thats been confirmed about why Jordan uses Pefok and not his father's name, maybe that one should be corrected?

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    1 hour ago, KwikTripJesus said:

    One potential error I noticed is Jordan Siebatchieu should be listed as Jordan Pefok. There's a famous story thats been confirmed about why Jordan uses Pefok and not his father's name, maybe that one should be corrected?

    It's 100% Siebatcheu.

    His official name is Jordan-Theoson Siebatcheu. Pefok is his mother's maiden name. Pefok is not an official name for him, it's only his wish for the US to be called Pefok. For the rest of the world he's Siebatcheu with Pefok as his shirt name.

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    20 minutes ago, d.s.d99x said:

    I miss in BVB squad Yannick Bruno Numbisie and Kjell Watjen, both are players with great talent, and usually play with Germany u17 and u16. 

    https://www.transfermarkt.es/kjell-watjen/profil/spieler/884810

    https://www.transfermarkt.es/bruno-numbisie/profil/spieler/884819

    Numbisie is too young to make it into the game, due to legal reasons.

    Watjen should be in there, but we did only recently add him - so he may just not have made it into the beta version - he will surely appear in the full release.

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    8 hours ago, Super Saiyajin Karn3ol said:

    That is really hard to say there would be 3 to choose from.
    Mathias Schober is director of the youth Academy 
    Max Balster is the coordinator 
    Till Beckmann (Assistance coach also not the right role) is the head of the oraganisation department and the organizer of the youth performance center

    In the end I would probably choose Till Beckmann because of his tasks and the hierarchy. But yes that's hard you have 3 people and if all should be included in the game I would rather integrate them as u19 assistant coach which is also not really right. 

    Thanks. It's a bit difficult to pick the hands-on one for some teams.

    FM doesn't cater to this yet unfortunately.
    It's becoming more and more common that there's a Head of YD, a Technical Manager for the YD. Then sometimes 1-2 who focus on specific age groups and then another one who oversees all the coaches. 

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    Hey saw something at Hertha BSC

    Frank Vogel is listed as Head of Youth Department, but he is now just a Youth Coordinator. the new HoYD is now Pablo Thiam who is listed as assistant Coach

    at the U19 is missing Jürgen Lange as Physiotherapist and Maximilian Kallensee as Athletic Coach

    some Partner clubs are missing. FC Hertha 03 Zehlendorf Berlin, Reinickendorfer Füchse, Tennis Borussia Berlin, Berliner AK 07, BFC Dynamo All of them are for Youth and to help the lower Teams in Berlin

    Gabor Kiraly, Prince and Nello Di Martino are not only Icons.. they are legends =)

     

    Omar Alderete got ingame a Option from 12,75 Mio€ but its only 5 Mio€ :)
     

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    Some of the BVB players' backnumbers are wrong

    Nico Schulz should have 14 instead of 12 (12 was also a retired number in 22 so idk why he has this in 23)

    Jamie Bynoe-Gittens 43 instead of 29

    and Youssoufa Moukoko 18 instead of 41

     

    also not an error tho, I do think Julian Brandt, Thorgan Hazard and Raphael Guerreiro are so overrated than their actual performances k

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    1 hour ago, Divitius said:

    Hey saw something at Hertha BSC

    Frank Vogel is listed as Head of Youth Department, but he is now just a Youth Coordinator. the new HoYD is now Pablo Thiam who is listed as assistant Coach

    at the U19 is missing Jürgen Lange as Physiotherapist and Maximilian Kallensee as Athletic Coach

    some Partner clubs are missing. FC Hertha 03 Zehlendorf Berlin, Reinickendorfer Füchse, Tennis Borussia Berlin, Berliner AK 07, BFC Dynamo All of them are for Youth and to help the lower Teams in Berlin

    Gabor Kiraly, Prince and Nello Di Martino are not only Icons.. they are legends =)

     

    Omar Alderete got ingame a Option from 12,75 Mio€ but its only 5 Mio€ :)
     

    Hi, thanks!

    - We had both Frank Vogel and Pablo Thiam set at HoYD, but the game picks one. I have changed this now.
    - U19 - Jurgen Lange is set as physio for both the main team and the U19 team. You'll be able to set his tasks in game. I have added Kallensee for the full release.
    - Partners don't really work this way for the game. We don't add all the partner clubs as youth facility. Of course this happens in real life, but there are clubs that have 50/100+ partnerships outside of Germany. In game they just go to your own club anyway.

    - We cannot change the icons/legends - this is a licensing request which comes from the DFB/Clubs directly.

    - Alderete has a random value set there, so it changes per game. Do you have a source for the 5m? (in German is also ok)

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    1 hour ago, Friedrich_von_Ebert said:

    Some of the BVB players' backnumbers are wrong

    Nico Schulz should have 14 instead of 12 (12 was also a retired number in 22 so idk why he has this in 23)

    Jamie Bynoe-Gittens 43 instead of 29

    and Youssoufa Moukoko 18 instead of 41

     

    also not an error tho, I do think Julian Brandt, Thorgan Hazard and Raphael Guerreiro are so overrated than their actual performances k

    Thanks for your post. The squad numbers are actually set correct. I'm not sure why this happens - but there does appear to be a bug (that has been fixed in the meantime) relating to squad numbers.

    We would request a bit more feedback on why players are underrated or overrated - in which areas and potentially also with evidence (data/film/highlights etc.)

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    vor 1 Stunde schrieb Jeroen Thijssen:

    Hi, thanks!

    - We had both Frank Vogel and Pablo Thiam set at HoYD, but the game picks one. I have changed this now.
    - U19 - Jurgen Lange is set as physio for both the main team and the U19 team. You'll be able to set his tasks in game. I have added Kallensee for the full release.
    - Partners don't really work this way for the game. We don't add all the partner clubs as youth facility. Of course this happens in real life, but there are clubs that have 50/100+ partnerships outside of Germany. In game they just go to your own club anyway.

    - We cannot change the icons/legends - this is a licensing request which comes from the DFB/Clubs directly.

    - Alderete has a random value set there, so it changes per game. Do you have a source for the 5m? (in German is also ok)

    okay, good to know =)

    About Alderete i got 1 german source that tells 5 Million https://www.ligainsider.de/omar-alderete_22262/hertha-bsc-leiht-omar-alderete-an-den-getafe-cf-nach-spanien-us-325275/
    and one Spanish that tells 3,5 Million for 79% player rights https://www.larazon.es/deportes/laotraliga/20220818/4ixhbrv3ojbi5pg2djkbe3m3ey.html

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    20 minutes ago, Divitius said:

    okay, good to know =)

    About Alderete i got 1 german source that tells 5 Million https://www.ligainsider.de/omar-alderete_22262/hertha-bsc-leiht-omar-alderete-an-den-getafe-cf-nach-spanien-us-325275/
    and one Spanish that tells 3,5 Million for 79% player rights https://www.larazon.es/deportes/laotraliga/20220818/4ixhbrv3ojbi5pg2djkbe3m3ey.html

    That works. Set for full release.

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    8 hours ago, Jeroen Thijssen said:

    [...]For the rest of the world he's Siebatcheu with Pefok as his shirt name.

    In Germany the rules for shirt names are more strict and he plays under the name "Jordan" (example image).

    /edit: I'll be looking into the Wolfsburg data this weekend. One thing that should definitely be changed though is Max Kruse. In real life he is essentially suspended and listed for release. Without this marking or without some other reason for him not to play (relationship with Kovac? "Considering his options"?) his still rather good stats and playing time promises lead to him playing quite a lot.

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    Hi there,

    I’ve checked Hoffenheim (and it’s youth teams) information in the FM23 beta and found details that I’d suggest to change until official game release. Please find it below:

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    Nick Proschwitz (8728257) is not only a player, but also works as an individual players coach at Hoffenheim’s U17 & U16. https://www.tsg-hoffenheim.de/teams/tsg-akademie/u17/team-u17/einzelportraet/show/nick-proschwitz-2 

    Dominik Draband (9119972) is not only a player, but also works as a goalkeeper coach at Hoffenheim’s U16 https://www.tsg-hoffenheim.de/teams/tsg-akademie/u16/team-u16/

    Markus Zidek (91012230) works for Hoffenheim’s U19 team now https://www.tsg-hoffenheim.de/teams/tsg-akademie/u19/team-u19/einzelportraet/show/markus-zidek

    Alfons Higl (6001466) is working as a youth scout for Hoffenheim and should be transferred there. He’s currently unemployed in the game https://www.kicker.de/rosen-und-higl-zum-dritten-905490/artikel

    In the game Hoffenheim’s U19 doesn’t have a head coach appointed. Please create Stephan Lerch. He’s the former coach in Women’s football and and known for winning the Bundesliga title and Pokal with VfL Wolfsburg 3 times https://www.tsg-hoffenheim.de/teams/tsg-akademie/u19/team-u19/einzelportraet/show/stephan-lerch

     

    Squad

    David Mokwa (2000026134) has joined Hoffenheim’s U19, however currently a free agent in the game https://www.tsg-hoffenheim.de/teams/tsg-akademie/u19/team-u19/einzelportraet/show/david-mokwa

    The below players should be moved to the right squads:

    Hoffenheim: Ilay Elmkies -> Hoffenheim II

    Hoffenheim II: Muhammed Damar, Nahuel Noll, Fisnik Asllani, Luca Philipp -> Hoffenheim 1st team; Abdul Karim Camara, Uche Obiogumu, Tim Ottilinger, Lúkas Petersson, Mattino Schlotterbeck, Leart Haskaj -> Hoffenheim U19

    Hoffenheim U19: Umut Tohumcu, Quincy Butler, Joshua Quarshie -> Hoffenheim II; Tom Bischof -> Hoffenheim 1st team

     

    Player Attributes & Position familiarity

    Luca Philipp (91207263) should have a higher CA in comparison to Philipp Pentke, as he has become Hoffenheims 2nd Goalie in the middle of last season. Also, his PA should be upped as he is part of Germany’s U21 squad regularly https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/luca-philipp/nationalmannschaft/spieler/432671/verein_id/3817

    Nahuel Noll (2000069202) should have a higher PA. He was already listed in Hoffenheim’s first squad in 2020/21 at the age of 17. The club seems to believe in his future potential https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/tsg-1899-hoffenheim/startseite/verein/533?saison_id=2020

    Fisnik Asllani (91205129) should have a higher CA & PA. Hoffenheim just prolonged his contract until 2026 and believes in his potential. Also, he is improving after coming back from several injuries in a row and is one of the leading scorers in the Regionalliga Südwest. Before joining Hoffenheim he was also eyed by Bayern and believed to be a gem. Also, he should be either-footed in the game. https://sportbild.bild.de/bundesliga/vereine/union-berlin/union-berlin-talent-transfer-asllani-71420094.sport.html & https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fisnik-asllani/profil/spieler/524290

    Bambasé Conté (2000065826) should have a higher CA & PA. He’s training with the first team often and was part of the training camp and pre-season friendlies in the last two seasons. Watching all of the games of Hoffenheim II, I can safely say that he is currently of the best players in that squad. Also, he’s left-footed. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/bambase-conte/leistungsdaten/spieler/574193

    Eduardo Quaresma (83261917) should have at least some familiarity as RB, as he’s playing that position in Hoffenheims U23 https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/eduardo-quaresma/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/504073/wettbewerb/RLSW/saison/2022

    Diren Dagdeviren (2000197374) & Leart Haskaj (200197372) were born in Germany and played for German clubs their entire career, therefore their German should be fluent.

    Robert Skov(27094768) & Andrej Kramaric (24004434) are speaking German very good, so I would rather describe it as almost fluent.

    Watching the games of Hoffenheim’s youth acadamy, I can tell that the following players should be left-footed in the game: Milan Rehus (2000197381), Leon Gebauer (2000197354), Bambasé Conté (2000065826), Niklas Sörensen (2000197359), Paul Hennrich (2000197375)

     

    Contract information

    Fisnik Asllani (91205129) is under contract until 2026 https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fisnik-asllani/profil/spieler/524290

    Pavel Kaderabek (25019787) is under contract until 2025 https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/pavel-kaderabek/profil/spieler/143798

    Hoffenheim’s option to buy for loanee Justin Che (2000055263), is in a „low 7-digit area“ according to ‚Kicker‘ -> meaning roughly 1-2 Million. In the game it’s not fixed and moves in between 5-6 Million, which is rather unrealistic https://www.kicker.de/hoeness-che-ist-ein-spannender-spieler-887549/artikel

    Hoffenheim has an option to buy for loanee Eduardo Quaresma (83261917). ‚A bola‘ estimates it to be around 7-8 Million Euro. https://www.fussballtransfers.com/a7669292543021906219-tsg-der-preis-fuer-quaresma-unterschrift-in-kuerze

    Bologna has an option and obligation to buy for loanee Stefan Posch (16147386). Based on ‚Gianluca Di Marzio‘ it’s 5 Million Euro. https://www.kicker.de/inklusive-kaufoption-und-verpflichtung-bologna-leiht-posch-aus-915645/artikel & https://www.ligainsider.de/stefan-posch_12798/tsg-hoffenheim-stefan-posch-wechselt-per-leihe-nach-italien-326239/

    Sturm Graz has an option to buy for loanee Alexandar Borkovic (16184567). However, it’s not reported how high it is. https://www.laola1.at/de/red/fussball/bundesliga/news/holt-sturm-graz-aleksandar-borkovic-leihweise-nach-graz-/

     

    Wrong player face

    Nahuel Noll (2000069202) currently has the cut-out face from Justin Che (2000055263), whereas Justin Che has no player face assigned.


    Sorry for the extensive list, but those should be the most relevant changes I spotted.

    Cheers!

     

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    saw something else now at Hertha BSC

    Transfer in

     

    Ivan Sunjic is on loan, yes. But Hertha got an Option to Buy. How much the option is no club was saying something

    Augustin Rogel was only 400.000€ not 700.000€

    Wilfried Kanga say the game is Unknown Fee, but was 4 Million€ =)

    Tjark Ernst was buy from Bochum with 300.000€

     

    Transfers out

    Arne Maier was only 5 Million€ not 5.75 million€ 

    Javairo Dilrosun is missing in the Transfer History with 4 Million € to Feyenoord

    Jordan Torunarigha is unknown but was 3.5 Million €

    Anton Kade we got 750.000€ from Basel

    Eduard Löwen is missing in the Transfer History with his 1 Million€ Transfer to St. Louis City

    i dont know how that works.. Krzysztof Piatek is away with a 1 Million€ Loan Fee =)

    Alexander Schwolow is away with a 300.000€ Loan Fee

     

    https://www.transfermarkt.de/hertha-bsc/transfers/verein/44

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    3 hours ago, Jeroen Thijssen said:

    Thanks for your post. The squad numbers are actually set correct. I'm not sure why this happens - but there does appear to be a bug (that has been fixed in the meantime) relating to squad numbers.

    We would request a bit more feedback on why players are underrated or overrated - in which areas and potentially also with evidence (data/film/highlights etc.)

    Has the issue been fixed from fm22 with this. Specifically in Germany with BVB. Some squad numbers were unchangable. From memory you were not able to allocate a number say for Byrone Gittens who is 43 if there was a squad number lower that was unused? Thanks

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    47 minutes ago, Piperita said:

    In Germany the rules for shirt names are more strict and he plays under the name "Jordan" (example image).

    /edit: I'll be looking into the Wolfsburg data this weekend. One thing that should definitely be changed though is Max Kruse. In real life he is essentially suspended and listed for release. Without this marking or without some other reason for him not to play (relationship with Kovac? "Considering his options"?) his still rather good stats and playing time promises lead to him playing quite a lot.

    Amended kit name to Jordan - that's cool!

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    2 hours ago, Liki_boom_boom_down said:

    Hi there,

    I’ve checked Hoffenheim (and it’s youth teams) information in the FM23 beta and found details that I’d suggest to change until official game release. Please find it below


    Sorry for the extensive list, but those should be the most relevant changes I spotted.

    Cheers!

     

    Thank you. No need for apologies, it's only good to get this info and to have it checked. I think I've checked everything. Cannot guarantee that all the players will end up exactly at the right team - but have done a bunch of tweaking across the board. :)

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