AI are not developing youngsters, filling squads with older players

Is an issue we're aware of an investigating. It's been partly exaggerated by some of the development issues which have since been addressed when the beta was first released. 

It's a hugely delicate and significant area of the game, so changes in this area are at high risk for knock-ons for overall game balance. It is something we're constantly reviewing as part of our long term game AI strategies. We're always looking at ways to make the game more reflective of real life.

Thanks for taking the time to raise it here. 

Thanks for taking the time to respond.

En 3/11/2022 a las 11:28, Neil Brock dijo:

Is an issue we're aware of an investigating. It's been partly exaggerated by some of the development issues which have since been addressed when the beta was first released. 

It's a hugely delicate and significant area of the game, so changes in this area are at high risk for knock-ons for overall game balance. It is something we're constantly reviewing as part of our long term game AI strategies. We're always looking at ways to make the game more reflective of real life.

Thanks for taking the time to raise it here. 

Thanks for the answer, but a lot of people is waiting for this to be solved to know if it is worth to play the game.

 

In FM21 this problem didn't exist, so, in 2022 we dont know what did you do but completely unbalanced the youth development. We expected this issue to be solved this year, so at least what we expect is to know when this will be solved

FM21 had the perfect player development that made long-term save very viable. AI manager either needs to take account of PA more or youth players needs a better reputation boost.

This issue is still present on the latest 23.2 update.

Save: https://www.mediafire.com/file/9gd7cpt91mch65o/Mark+FeaR+-+Unemployed.fm/file

 

Wanted to also draw attention to this. Took a spell looking in the English awards in the db and noticed some of these awards come with no reputation changes. Would this have an impact in AI not developing their players properly?





 

This has always been the case,

I think this is a huge issue and in my opinion there are several reasons for this:

1) Not enough good prospects in the original database. 

There are really few "good" wonderkids with 160+ potential at the start of the game. Not enough to replace current star players. I always have to manually improve the PA of some to make it more realistic.

However, this is by far the least concerning of the three.

2) Loan market is broken.

Many AI teams do not loan their talents and let them rot in 2nd/B team forever. Even when they do offer them for loan, often nobody (other AI teams) makes a move for them. As a result, even wonderkids with good potential do not manage to reach it.

3) Player development is broken and too slow.

Since FM 2022, it became too slow and difficult to grow players CA. It simply grows too slowly even under ideal conditions. If the player has below perfect Ambition and Professionalism, the CA simply does not move at all. If it plays in a B team, it does not grow beyond like 120-130. This is completely unrealistic. Many big teams, especially in Spain and Germany, develop their players trough B teams and those players DO manage to become first team regulars. This does not happen in the game. If you combine this with point number 2), it becomes a mess and you end up with a database full of 30+ years old.

 

Edited December 4, 2022 by abcdf

Il 4/11/2022 in 20:26 , TheAwesomeGem ha scritto:

FM21 had the perfect player development that made long-term save very viable. AI manager either needs to take account of PA more or youth players needs a better reputation boost.

Agreed, I think it was just the fact that players developed their CA at a quicker rate. Which goes back to issue number 3) of the post I made above

Edited December 4, 2022 by abcdf

I can confirm after the update the issue continues  the same if you make a 8 year save with 8 leagues loaded.

I don't know what the hell they test because for example Brazil, one of the loaded leagues, wasn't capable of making a good newgen in eight years. BRAZIL.

 

It would be great if SI can lost some time to solve this or telling us the actual state of this issue, because it's completely game breaking.

As a player, if you make good youth signings, by 2032 you are almost unstoppable as you are the only team that was aware of developing players.

This kills the game more than nothing you can do with youth development, because at least when the development was faster the big teams were able to buy the players that were surging, but since last year 10-12 after the start of the new save the big teams continue to use the same players because there is no players to sign

 

I don't know where the issue is, but please, fix it as there is no excuse possible after 13 months since the release of FM2022

 

Edited December 4, 2022 by albertocerdeira.4

@Neil Brockany update?

If anyone has specific examples of where they feel they're finding issues with the game, please raise it with examples via our Bug Tracker.

Specifically to player development, not all players should be developing correctly. Players in real life are often mismanaged to a point where they don't develop or stagnate. What needs to happen is a balance whereby the numbers of players within a certain CA range remain consistent over time - so let's say there's 15 players with a 180CA at game start - what does it look like in 10 years time in-game? Same for other ranges (160, 140, 120, 100, 80 etc). We do track this over time and from our tests over a large number of saves, the numbers aren't dramatically different to the data driven info at game start. But we're always interested in more feedbck.

Bear in mind, what happens here can in some situations be determined by the db size at game start and the balance of loaded leagues. 

In relation to players not being called up to international squads, this is an issue more related to player reputation which is being looked at separately, but any examples would be appreciated. 

In terms of player development issues, the best place to raise them with save game examples is here - https://community.sigames.com/bugtracker/football-manager-2023-bugs-tracker/757_medical-and-development-centre-training-and-finances/

If you're talking about player loans and how not enough are happening or players are being priced out of moves, please raise it here - https://community.sigames.com/bugtracker/football-manager-2023-bugs-tracker/transfers-and-contracts/

Thanks. 

In my game in year 2034 there’s probably on average 1-3 players at best under 31 per club. This applies to the likes of Paris, Arsenal, Real, Chelsea, Milan, Barcelona. Paris is kind of a joke too. 
 

its clearly an issue still. 

Edited December 6, 2022 by Ted88

12 hours ago, Neil Brock said:

If anyone has specific examples of where they feel they're finding issues with the game, please raise it with examples via our Bug Tracker.

Specifically to player development, not all players should be developing correctly. Players in real life are often mismanaged to a point where they don't develop or stagnate. What needs to happen is a balance whereby the numbers of players within a certain CA range remain consistent over time - so let's say there's 15 players with a 180CA at game start - what does it look like in 10 years time in-game? Same for other ranges (160, 140, 120, 100, 80 etc). We do track this over time and from our tests over a large number of saves, the numbers aren't dramatically different to the data driven info at game start. But we're always interested in more feedbck.

Bear in mind, what happens here can in some situations be determined by the db size at game start and the balance of loaded leagues. 

In relation to players not being called up to international squads, this is an issue more related to player reputation which is being looked at separately, but any examples would be appreciated. 

In terms of player development issues, the best place to raise them with save game examples is here - https://community.sigames.com/bugtracker/football-manager-2023-bugs-tracker/757_medical-and-development-centre-training-and-finances/

If you're talking about player loans and how not enough are happening or players are being priced out of moves, please raise it here - https://community.sigames.com/bugtracker/football-manager-2023-bugs-tracker/transfers-and-contracts/

Thanks. 

The problem is more related to how AI manager prioritize reputation way more than picking players because of their potential, ability or even their form. Even if a 21 years old player has higher CA and PA but has 2.5 star reputation, they will pick the 35 years old player who has lower CA and PA because he has 3 star reputation. That's a massive issue with the AI squad management. Also it doesn't help that youth player's reputation grow extremely slowly. That ends up resulting no player under 23 year being picked(unless he is one of the world's best players) after the year 2027.

@Neil Brockany updates on this? I REALLY hope this is gonna get fixed in the winter update, the game is unplayable at the moment for long term saves. 

It has recently been discussed on the general discussion forum as well, and literally half the forum  is complaining about this.

 

Edited February 22, 2023 by abcdf

If this doesn't get fixed in the next update, I doubt SI cares about players with long-term saves.

I really can't believe this happened since FM22 and never got a proper fix.