AI Experiment - Birth of a New Nation

AI Experiment - Birth of a New Nation

In brief, this is an AI Experiment to see what happens when a completely new and different nation is entered into the database with better teams and a higher league standard than its European co-efficiencies and reputation in the world suggests.

What have I done?

I have edited the FM database to replace a nation with a new one. The country I have removed is Northern Ireland and there is now a new nation in existence in the game called Ellisia.

As a bit of background, the nation of Ellisia lies to the west of France, north of the Iberian Peninsula and to the southwest of the United Kingdom of Great Britain. Ellisia has a population of 34,540,265 on a land mass 121,456 square miles in size.

Ellisia as a nation speaks English with small pockets of French and Spanish speakers. It is counted as part of the UK & Ireland region in the game, and is an EEC member state in a similar mould to Switzerland and Norway. The nation has a booming economy having freed itself from dictatorship.

The capital of Ellisia is Port Nelson with a population of around 4 million; the second largest city is Nodnol with a population of around 2.8 million.

The other important cities are listed below by population size:

1,000,000 to 2,500,000 – Adelphia, Bozarburg

500,000 to 1,000,000 – Malastaire, Shangrila

250,000 to 500,000 – Faradafry, Grimme, Midchestnut

100,000 to 250,000 – Lantisia, Newtonia, San Angel, Stravchine, Whitefield.

These cities have all been entered into the game with the above populations and varying levels of attraction, as well as vastly different weather.

The national team move around stadiums in the country without a permanent home, though they play major matches at Trafalgar Park in Port Nelson, the home stadium of the Port Nelson Admirals.

28 new clubs have been created in the country with various establishment dates. There are 16 teams in the Ellisian First Division (EFD) and 12 teams in the Ellisian Second Division (ESD). The 16 teams in the EFD have reputations between 3750 and 4750. There youth academies and training facilities are between 8 and 15 out of 20. Their finances are all pretty good.

Each team in the First Division has between five to eight created players of various skills, with no more than two created players in each team with a potential ability level of -9 or -10. Players available on a free transfer with some degree of skill in the database (Alessandro Pistone, Fabian Barthez, Martin Djetou, Savo Milosevic etc) have been randomly assigned to clubs in the Ellisian First Division.

Each team has a stadium of their own which varies in size from team to team. They’re potential fan bases are a lot bigger than their current stadiums. This is all listed in far greater detail below.

In addition to the above, each club has been given a major European club to be its parent team, these will all be listed below in greater detail as to who the parent clubs of each First Division team are.

The league standard of Northern Ireland has been changed to 12, the same as Austria.

The first division’s reputation has likewise been raised to 12, the reputation of the two major cup competitions has been set at 10. The reputation of the second division has been set at 8.

What I have not changed:

- The reputation of the nation from Northern Ireland’s reputation

- The co-efficients of the clubs

- The European co-efficients of the nation (how many clubs qualify for the Champions League, UEFA Cup, EURO Vase)

- The skills of any other players except the created ones

- None of the Chairmen are set as sugar daddies and none of the clubs are PLC’s.

The League and Cup Structure

The First Division consists of 16 teams, they play each other twice in a season to give a total of 30 games a season. At the moment, the top team receives a First Qualifying Round birth in the Champions League, the second placed team enters the UEFA Cup and the third placed team the Inter-Toto Cup. The bottom team is automatically relegated to the Second Division, the team finished second from bottom faces the team finished second overall in the Second Division in a play-off to decide which team plays in the First Division.

The 16 First Division teams compete in a cup competition I have christened the Isoeph Cup. The 16 teams are split into four groups of four teams and each team plays the others twice home and away, these group games are played at the beginning of the season, before the league season starts. The teams also compete in the nationwide Emperors Cup which features every club in the land pretty much, similar if you like, to the FA Cup in England.

The Second Division is a league of twelve teams, the top team is promoted to the First Division, and the second placed team goes into the play-off mentioned above and the bottom two are automatically relegated. They play each other only twice a season for a 22 game schedule. They also compete in the Dr Pepper League Cup which contains the 12 teams from the Third Division as well. The 24 teams are split into four groups of six teams and play each other only once in the group stage, which takes place before the start of the league season. The top two from each group advance to the quarterfinals where it becomes a knockout competition.

Purpose of the experiment

- To see if the teams, with reputations of between Championship and League One level are able to progress and get success in European competitions

- To see the effects of great managers, ambitious Chairmen, and unambitious Chairman have on the clubs

- To find out how influential training and youth facilities are

- To find out how key stadium and fanbase size is for the long-term health and success of a club

- To see if the First Division and its clubs can gain more places and higher seedings in the European Club Competitions and take Ellisia (N. Ireland) up to a co-efficient that is similar to Austria and other comparable sized nations/league standards.

- To see if the higher reputation clubs and league standard would see greater success for the Ellisia National Team’s performances in international qualifying groups and tournaments.

- To examine what quality of players would be willing to move to Ellisian teams to play their football.

- To see if any the population size of cities has any effect on players produced or fan bases.

- To see if the new nation, with cities with big populations and big stadiums, higher reputations and a higher league standard can host a major international tournament in the distant future.

The Clubs

For the purposes of this experiment and to decide who enters the European Competitions the top three last year were as follows:

1. Lantisia

2. Stracvhine Balanvinski

3. Argyres Myrmidons

Now to move on, in detail, to the clubs that make up the Ellisian First Division.

Argyres Myrmidons

Value: £12m

Stadium Name: Herodotus Stadium

Stadium Capacity: 26,400

City: Adelphia

Prediction: 4th

Training: Good

Youth: Good

Parent Club: Real Madrid

Argyres, think of them as Grecian supermen, they try to play attacking, attractive football with the flair of the Brazilians but the efficiency of the Greeks at Euro 2004. Adelphia has weather similar to Athens, they're kits are blue and white, the national colours of Greece.

Bozarburg

Value: £6.75m (Debt £6.5m)

Stadium Name: Red Lion Park

Stadium Capacity: 36,000

Prediction: 10th

Training: Average

Youth: Good

Parent Club: Roma

I guess Bozarburg are like Arsenal, the old Arsenal, playing in red kits and a more boring type of defensive football. Bozarburg are similar to the German national team in their style of play and the city's weather is like the south of Germany. Bozarburg are a feeder club of Roma.

Diamond Heights

Value: £6.5m

Stadium Name: The Quarry

Stadium Capacity: 27,750

Prediction: 16th

Training: Average

Youth: Average

Parent Club: Valencia

Diamond Heights play in an all white home kit with red trim, and a red and white checkerboard away kit. The weather is like Cyprus, very hot for most of year. They were promoted as champions from the Second Division last season. The true underdogs of the First Division.

Faradafry

Value: £3.5m

Stadium Name: Calamint Road

Stadium Capacity: 19,000

Prediction: 13th

Training: Good

Youth: Average

Parent Club: Benfica

Faradafry City are a determined and professional outfit that play in black and white stripes at home and steel blue away. Faradafry are a feeder club of Portuguese giants, Benfica and are the main club in the city of Faradafry, the other club being Spark Rovers.

FC Jasque

Value: £9.25m (Debt £22.5m)

Stadium Name: Bastiat Crescent

Stadium Capacity: 26,894

Prediction: 6th

Training: Good

Youth: Good

Parent Club: Olympique Lyonnais

FC Jasque are the ‘other’ major club in the city of Nodnol, like Everton is in Liverpool. They play in black and yellow diagonally halved home kits, green away kits, and a white and blue third kit. They were founded in 1946 and are one of teams with the most Gallic flair about them, having been founded by French immigrants after the second world war.

Grimme Athletic

Value: £5.75m (Debt £3.5m)

Stadium Name: Wein Park

Stadium Capacity: 22,320

Prediction: 14th

Training: Average

Youth: Average

Parent Club: FC Bayern Munich

Grimme Athletic are the biggest team in the city of Grimme, just above Grimme City. They were founded, as the city was by German immigrants after the First World War and have maintained links with Germany ever since (with the exception of the Second World War). Their home kit is red and white stripes, their away kit is white with red trim, and their third kit is blue.

Lantisia City

Value: £7.75m

Stadium Name: Witterbach Stadium

Stadium Capacity: 32,500

Prediction: 2nd

Training: Good

Youth: Good

Parent Club: Sporting Lisbon

Lantisia are the current EFD Champions and will be competing in the Champions League, entering at the first qualifying round stage. Their link with Sporting Lisbon and the city’s links with Portugal has seen the club adopt a green and white striped home kit, the away kit stems from a shortage of kits in their history when the owner went out and purchased FC Barcelona kits in bulk to be their away kit and the colours have stayed ever since. Their third kit is orange and black hoops.

Newtonia

Value: £3.2m

Stadium Name: Isaac Street

Stadium Capacity: 18,000

Prediction: 12th

Training: Avg

Youth: Avg

Parent Club: AC Milan

The club’s link with AC Milan has seen Newtonia adopt red and black striped home kits. Their away kit is black and yellow stripes and their third kit is blue with white sides. A determined outfit they play in a fairly small stadium but are the only professional team from the town of Newtonia. The influence of Isaac Newton in the town and the club is profound as since the town was named after him, he has been the adopted symbol of the town ever since.

Nodnol City

Value: £9.5m

Stadium Name: The Temple

Stadium Capacity: 30450

Prediction: 7th

Training: Avg

Youth: Good

Parent Club: Chelsea

They play at the Temple, so called due to its ancient history as the sight of a historic and significant temple that was burnt down in the medieval period and never rebuilt. The club were strongly associated with the royal family on its founding in 1910 and adopted the royal family’s colours of purple and white. Their home kit is all purple, their away white with purple trim. Their third kit is dark and light blue hoops. Their star player is the free transfer signing of Fabien Barthez.

Port Nelson Admirals FC

Value: £111m

Stadium Name: Trafalgar Park

Stadium Capacity: 85,000

Prediction: 1st

Training: Avg

Youth: Excellent + YA

Parent Club: Inter Milan

The Port Nelson Admirals are the biggest team in the land. Valued at over £100 million due to their 85,000 capacity stadium Trafalgar Park, they’e the biggest club in the country and have a long association with the navy, like the city itself. They play in a dark blue home strip and a red and white quartered away kit. Their free agent signing of the experienced Stefan Klos is expected to help them compete in the EFD.

San Angel Club Eagles

Value: £6m (Debt £3.5m)

Stadium Name: Estadio Azteca

Stadium Capacity: 19,110

Prediction: 11th

Training: Adequate

Youth: Adequate

Parent Club: Barcelona

The San Angel Club Eagles are the only team from the city of San Angel which has strong links with Spain and Mexico. These links have been solidified with the recent pairing up with world famous FC Barcelona. They have recently completed the signing of experienced Brazilian defender, Roque Junior.

Shasarazade FC

Value: £3.2m

Stadium Name: Shangrila Gardens

Stadium Capacity: 39,500

Prediction: 9th

Training: Avg

Youth: Avg

Parent Club: FC Porto

The Slicing Hammers, as they are known, are one of the most attacking teams in Ellisian football. They adopt a no-holds barred philosophy of scoring more goals than the opposition at all costs which often leaves them in trouble, it remains to be seen if they change their tactic. They play in a dark blue with light blue trim home kit, and a reversed colour away kit, with a green third kit. Their major free agent signing has been Flavio Conceicao.

Stravchine Balanvinski

Value: £13.5m

Stadium Name: Varburn Stadium

Stadium Capacity: 57,545

Prediction: 3rd

Training: Good

Youth: Good

Parent Club: Sevilla

The team with the strongest links to eastern Europe play in a blue and white striped home kit and a white away kit. Their third strip is red and gold halves. They are a dominant physical side who will be competing in the EURO Cup this season. Their star signing has been Igor Biscan, the Croatian international.

United Commonwealth Club

Value: £6.75m

Stadium Name: Steward's Centre

Stadium Capacity: 24,000

Prediction: 5th

Training: Good

Youth: Good

Parent Club: Juventus

Unlike the other Malastaire club, United Commonwealth Club have links with Britain, not France, and are also one of the more Ellisian styled teams. They play in black home kits with flashes of silver, and silver away kits with flashes of black. Their third kit is blue with sleeves of gold. They are a strong outfit and one with the potential to be successful in the long term.

Wegason Dragons

Value: £19.25m (Debt £8.5m)

Stadium Name: The Octagon

Stadium Capacity: 40,000

Prediction: 15th

Training: Avg

Youth: Avg

Parent Club: Manchester United

The smaller team in Port Nelson, the Wegason Dragons symbolise the national emblem of Ellisia, the Dragon, and are named after an area of Port Nelson known as Wegason. They play in a gold home kit with red sleeves, and a red away kit with gold sides. Their third choice kit is royal blue. The play at the Octagon, a stadium known as such due to its irregular eight sided shape. Their star signing has been Alessandro Pistone.

Whitefield United

Value: £3.9m (Debt £8.5m)

Stadium Name: Pennyroyal Crescent

Stadium Capacity: 21,500

Prediction: 8th

Training: Avg

Youth: Avg

Parent Club: Arsenal

Associated with Arsenal Football Club, Whitefield are a quintessentially Ellisian team playing in simple kits. White at home, a dark blue away kit, and a third choice red strip. They play a functional 4-4-2 and their main aim is to establish themselves as a permanent fixture in the top division.

My Predictions

1. The Ellisian First Division will obtain more places in European club competitions.

2. The Ellisian First Division Champions will have an automatic entry into the group stages of the Champions League by 2020.

3. Two clubs from the First Division will be able to enter the Champions League (at any stage) by 2012

4. An Ellisian First Division club to progress to the group stage of the Champions League within 5 seasons.

5. An Ellisian First Division club to progress to knockout round of Champions League within 10 seasons.

6. Three Ellisian clubs to be in the top 20 richest/most valuable clubs in the world by 2015

7. The Ellisian national team to qualify for an international tournament by 2014.

8. The Ellisian national team will be in the top 50 national teams by 2010 and the top 20 national teams by 2015.

Finally...

What do you predict will happen?

Which team, excluding the 2006/07 season, will have been the most successful ten seasons in this experiment?

Who will triumph in the first season?

Will the potential star players in each team move on to bigger clubs abroad?

Will the stars stay within the First Division as they're in the top competition in their country?

Which team would you support out of the 16 clubs?

How key will the parent club links be?

Can an Ellisian team win one of a European competition?

Any other thoughts?

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that must have taken some time. great idea. lets see whether milan can be knocked off from their perch.

It took absolute hours of editing. Btw, this is using the beta patch, as my database is currently not working with the new patch, luckily I started a game and saved it before I applied the patch. I have not yet run the first season.

Wow, this sounds incredible!

Might give something like this a go, must take forever though!

Preety much what fatski and Apoorv said

Cracking idea for an experiment.

I'll add you to the AI Experiment summary guide.

Fantastic idea!

Fantastic idea! Cant imagine how long it took you to make that database!

wow :O now i feel like doing the same lol

Creating a new country with a proper backstory and league is something I've always dreamed of doing - but you've gone one further and actually realised that dream and done it. Well done, I cannot wait 'til the seasonal updates start to roll, and I can tell already they'll be brilliant! Excellent writing style, excellent dedication.

Bravo!

This is one of the most impressive and ambitious project I've seen here. I'll be keeping my good eye on this one!

Massive! This one looks like it'll be worth watching. I'm mainly interested in whether the country performs on the international stage, and whether it gets any regens. Regardless, I'm looking forward to this experiment!

KUTGW.

Superrrbb.

I agree with everything else written in the thread so far

KUTGW

what everyone else said basically i shall be following with intrest KUTGW

A fantastic idea, and you have found another eager onlooker in me.

Just out of interest, what stage are you at? Have you loaded them into the database or are you still doing that? Have you started the game?

Not being impatient or trying to rush you, just wonderiing.

KUTGW, mate.

Im rooting for shasarade (sp?) pure attacking football you gotta love it i hope they stay that way the whole way through and dont change.

KUTGW

Originally posted by JuniorMint:

A fantastic idea, and you have found another eager onlooker in me.

Just out of interest, what stage are you at? Have you loaded them into the database or are you still doing that? Have you started the game?

Not being impatient or trying to rush you, just wonderiing.

KUTGW, mate.

Thanks for the compliment, and that goes to everyone who has said such nice things. I'm interested in what your opinions of what will happen are and if you think my predictions are sound/realistic etc, or whether they're rubbish.

I'm interested to know what you think will happen.

As another note, I have run the first season and am finishing up my first update. For further information the leagues I am running are:

The top leagues of: France, Germany, Portugal, and Spain.

England to the Championship and Ellisia (Northern Ireland) down to the Third Division.

Full detail on the Ellisia First Division, Isoeph Cup, Emperors Cup Main Stages, European Champions League All, UEFA Cup All, and Intertoto All.

Birth of a New Nation

Season 2007/2008

Transfer Market

Not much activity in June as the teams only had a few days to get deals done but Argyres signed a promising young centre half from Derby County for £1.1 million, Miles Addison becoming the record Ellisian signing on the last day of the month, beating the £825k that FC Jasque paid for David Bell from Luton.

£10 million was spent in July by Ellisian clubs, Lantisia, the reigning champions, spent £6m of that on six players, the biggest two signings being Chris Hogg and Lewis Stevenson from Hibernian at £1.9m and £1.3m respectively. There was only really one major signing in August, that being Mark little from Wolves to FC Jasque for £1.8m.

European Competitions

In the First Qualifying Round of the Champions League Lantisia faced Olimpi Rustavi of Georgia, defeating them 5-1 on aggregate including a 4-1 thumping at Witterbach stadium. In the second qualifying round, they drew Levski Sofia from Bulgaria. They won away from home 1-0 only to lose 1-0 at home themselves, the game went to penalties and it was Lantisia who triumphed to advance to the third round. Unfortunately for Lantisia they had to get past Toulouse FC if they wanted to get into the group stages, they lost narrowly both times, 2-1 at home and 3-2 away. After advancing to the third qualifying stage they earned entry into the first round of the UEFA Cup where they got hammered 5-0 away to Villarreal before losing narrowly 1-0 at home.

Stravchine Balanvinski were drawn to face FC Artmedia Bratislava in the first qualifying round of the UEFA Cup, they lost away from home by 4 goals to 1 before winning 2-1 at home, it wasn’t enough and they got dumped out 5-3 on aggregate.

The Argyres Myrmidons faced KI from the Faroe Islands in the first round of the Intertoto Cup and beat them 3-1 home and away to advance to face AaB of Denmark. Argyres beat the Danes 3-1 at home and clawed a goal back in the final minutes of the second game to make it 2-3 and advance to the next round 5-4 on aggregate. The next match was against OFI Crete, a battling draw at home in the first leg was followed by disappointing 2-0 defeat away from home and Argyres were out of the Intertoto Cup.

Isoeph Cup

The group stages were played at the beginning of the season and the following teams advanced from the groups:

Argyres, Stravchine Balanvinski, Bozarburg, Faradafry, San Angel, Nodnol City, FC Jasque, and Wegason.

In the quarter finals, Faradafry beat Nodnol, San Angel beat Wegason, Argyres thumped Bozarburg and FC Jasque narrowly got past Balanvinski. The semis saw FC Jasque defeat San Angel while Faradafry thumped Argyres 4-0.

The final was played between Faradafry and FC Jasque and a game dominated by FC Jasque eventually saw them triumph with two late goals from David Bell to secure the first silverware of the season for FC Jasque.

Emperors Cup

Picking it up from the quarter finals, United Commonwealth Club beat Faradafry City 2-0, Port Nelson lost at home to Whitefield United 1-0. Second Division side AFC Posul, having a great season, lost to Newtonia 2-1 at home while San Angel scraped past Lantisia on penalties after a 1-1 draw.

In the semi finals Newtonia beat San Angel 2-1 and Whitefield beat U.C.C. on penalties. The final saw Whitefield United defeat Newtonia by 3 goals to 1 thanks to two goals from Victor and a goal from Mattia Mixtel.

The Ellisian National team

The effect of the new division and players has not been felt yet as Ellisia registered only two wins in the 7 games they played, and they were against Hong Kong and Liechtenstein. They lost to Sweden and Denmark 2-0 and 4-0 to Spain to finish 4th in their qualifying group behind Spain, Sweden, and Denmark.

Ellisian First Division

Three teams raced off to a fast start at the beginning of the season as after 10 games Argyres Myrmidons were leading the league, Lantisia were second and Nodnol City third. The next week Nodnol took the lead and held it for three weeks before Lantisia took the title lead.

As the season wore on Argyres and Nodnol began to drop off the pace and FC Jasque were starting to apply some serious pressure to Lantisia and took the lead in the title race after the 17th game of the season before Lantisia grabbed it back after game 20. FC Jasque then took the lead against after game 22 and the title race was now neck and neck between these two teams.

With three games to go in the season FC Jasque had 54 points to their name and games against struggling Balanvinski, San Angel, and midtable Shasarazade. Lantisia were on 50 points with games against Shasarazade, and early pace setters Argyres and Nodnol City.

Wednesday the 9th of April and Lantisia and FC Jasque are both playing game 28 of the season. Lantisia took an early lead against Shasarazade thanks to Patrick Rossa while FC Jasque went a goal down to Balanvinski through Peter Porter. As half-time approached there were equalisers in both games as Paul Quinn scored for Jasque and Paul Connolly for Shasarazade. With just over ten minutes to go in both matches a goal was scored in one of them, the orange and black hoops of Lantisia had, through Keith Treacy, grabbed a late goal against Shasarazade! A 2-1 lead and 3 points secured with FC Jasque only getting the 1, the title race was wide open again.

With FC Jasque now on 55 points, and Lantisia on 53, one more slip up by FC Jasque could cost them a title. It didn’t start well at San Angel when they went a goal down but it didn’t seem to matter when Argyres went two nil up before half-time at Lantisia. Jasque equalised before half-time as well to put them in a dominant position. Things became more tense when news filtered through that Lantisia had pulled one back but those thoughts were erased when Tuhuteru put FC Jasque 2 goals to 1 up with just under 20 minutes to go, it seemed the title was going to Nodnol. With ten minutes to go however San Angel fighting for a top four finish equalised and suddenly it was back to a 3 point lead as Lantisia couldn’t do the same at Herodotus Stadium.

The final weekend of the season approached and the atmosphere was tense. The problem for Lantisia was that Jasque’s goal difference was +25 and there’s was +17. They’d need to hammer Nodnol City, fierce rivals of FC Jasque, while at the same time hope that the attacking Shasarazade who were fighting for a top-half finish would hammer FC Jasque.

Delirium broke out at Witterbach Stadium when Shasarazade scored within 2 minutes of kickoff but this turned to silence when news broke that FC Jasque had a penalty. Remy missed for FC Jasque but before Lantisia fans could celebrate, he scored from the rebound and it was 1-1. The game at Lantisia remained scoreless through to half time. After half-time Lantisia were pressing hard and scored in the 54th minute, only for Nano to equalise for Nodnol. Shasarazade had taken the lead against FC Jasque and this news spurred Lantisia to attack and attack, they scored a second, and with a minute to go in the game scored a third. They were leading 3-1 and Shasarazade were winning 2-1. It wasn’t going to be enough. FC Jasque had won the title.

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| Pos | Inf | Team | | Pld | Won | Drn | Lst | For | Ag | G.D. | Pts |

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| 1st | ECC | FC Jasque | | 30 | 16 | 8 | 6 | 53 | 29 | +24 | 56 |

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| 2nd | EC | Lantisia | | 30 | 16 | 8 | 6 | 43 | 24 | +19 | 56 |

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| 3rd | EC | Whitefield United | | 30 | 15 | 7 | 8 | 44 | 31 | +13 | 52 |

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| 4th | EV | Grimme Athletic | | 30 | 14 | 7 | 9 | 52 | 38 | +14 | 49 |

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| 5th | | United Commonwealth Club | | 30 | 12 | 10 | 8 | 40 | 35 | +5 | 46 |

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| 6th | | San Angel | | 30 | 12 | 8 | 10 | 42 | 33 | +9 | 44 |

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| 7th | | Shasarazade | | 30 | 11 | 9 | 10 | 38 | 40 | -2 | 42 |

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| 8th | | Wegason | | 30 | 11 | 9 | 10 | 38 | 42 | -4 | 42 |

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| 9th | | Nodnol City | | 30 | 11 | 8 | 11 | 39 | 42 | -3 | 41 |

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| 10th | | Argyres | | 30 | 11 | 6 | 13 | 42 | 46 | -4 | 39 |

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| 11th | | Port Nelson | | 30 | 9 | 11 | 10 | 38 | 36 | +2 | 38 |

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| 12th | | Newtonia | | 30 | 9 | 7 | 14 | 30 | 46 | -16 | 34 |

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| 13th | | Diamond Heights | | 30 | 10 | 3 | 17 | 36 | 49 | -13 | 33 |

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| 14th | | Faradafry City | | 30 | 8 | 8 | 14 | 34 | 43 | -9 | 32 |

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| 15th | | Stravchine Balanvinski | | 30 | 7 | 8 | 15 | 37 | 45 | -8 | 29 |

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| 16th | R | Bozarburg | | 30 | 8 | 3 | 19 | 30 | 57 | -27 | 27 |

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FC Jasque were going to enter the Champions League while Lantisia and Whitefield United entered the UEFA Cup, Grimme received the Intertoto Cup place. The performance of Lantisia and the other Ellisian teams in the European competitions this season had gained them an extra place in the UEFA Cup for the 2008/2009 season.

Ellisian Second Division

AFC Posul won the title by 4 points from Spark Rovers of Faradafry. Malastaire Rovers and Estaag United were only a point behind. Adelphia Spartans narrowly avoided relegation with a last day win over Wolverton to condemn Old Castle Swifts to the drop.

In the play-off, a determined Stravchine Balanvinski, who had endured a terrible season, crushed Spark Rovers over two legs 5-2 to maintain First Division status.

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| Pos | Inf | Team | | Pld | Won | Drn | Lst | For | Ag | G.D. | Pts |

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| 1st | C | AFC Posul | | 22 | 13 | 4 | 5 | 41 | 22 | +19 | 43 |

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| 2nd | | Spark Rovers | | 22 | 11 | 6 | 5 | 29 | 21 | +8 | 39 |

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| 3rd | | Malastaire Rovers | | 22 | 9 | 11 | 2 | 36 | 22 | +14 | 38 |

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| 4th | | Estaag United | | 22 | 11 | 5 | 6 | 34 | 31 | +3 | 38 |

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| 5th | | Midchestnut United | | 22 | 10 | 6 | 6 | 31 | 21 | +10 | 36 |

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| 6th | | Grimme City | | 22 | 6 | 8 | 8 | 22 | 29 | -7 | 26 |

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| 7th | | Rayleigh | | 22 | 6 | 7 | 9 | 29 | 29 | 0 | 25 |

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| 8th | | Windsor Castle | | 22 | 6 | 7 | 9 | 26 | 34 | -8 | 25 |

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| 9th | | Wolverton | | 22 | 5 | 9 | 8 | 25 | 32 | -7 | 24 |

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| 10th | | Adelphia Spartans | | 22 | 6 | 5 | 11 | 19 | 29 | -10 | 23 |

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| 11th | R | Old Castle Swifts | | 22 | 4 | 10 | 8 | 23 | 29 | -6 | 22 |

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| 12th | R | Bainbridge Forest | | 22 | 4 | 4 | 14 | 21 | 37 | -16 | 16 |

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I must say that this is an absolutely superb idea - probably the most promising AI Experiment since Kipfizh's original!

Here's hoping it's as successful!

good update im suprised to see Port Nelson doing so poorly i thought they would win the league my team San Angel had a decent season in 6th and they get another uefa cup spot which is

are the clubs signing players mainly from england/scotland or is it more varied?

Suprising finish for Port Nelson they were personally my tip for the title or at least a challenger,

Glad to see a 7th place finish for my team (cant spell them but starts with S) wonder if they kept up their attacking policy must have with a -2 difference

Cant wait to see how long it is till a team makes the group stage of Champs League and how they fair,

Wonder how the first regens wil turn out aswell

KUTGW

Im FC Jasque's new number 1 fan (im not a glory hunter, honestly)

We hate Nodnol City!!

Uefa cup,hope they can get to the group stages.

Great run by Lantisia. Shame they won't be back in the Champs Cup next year. They'll be back, though!

Could you upload the database pretty please? I would love to try my hands on one of these teams.

Who gets promoted to the 2nd division?

Also, mon Wegason.

What do you predict will happen?

Which team, excluding the 2006/07 season, will have been the most successful ten seasons in this experiment?

Port Nelson Admirals will proably do very well, but the key is going to be whoever establishes themselves early on.

Who will triumph in the first season?

Jasque (yeah, I cheated)

Will the potential star players in each team move on to bigger clubs abroad?

Only once they've establised themselves at home.

Will the stars stay within the First Division as they're in the top competition in their country?

Most will, but those who perform on the european satge will probably be lured away.

Which team would you support out of the 16 clubs?

I'm a neutral at the moment. But I won't remain that way.

How key will the parent club links be?

Those in active leagues will be most effective.

Can an Ellisian team win one of a European competition?

Only if a couple of clubs establish themselves as the top teams. If the ability is spread throughout the leagues long term, then no chance.

Any other thoughts?

This is a great Idea for an expeiment. I'll be following.

Nice work I just found this I think I'll support United Commonwealth Club lol KUTGW

Thanks for all the nice comments, really appreciated, motivates me to continue

I'll answer queries now:

Originally posted by mwalker99:

good update im suprised to see Port Nelson doing so poorly i thought they would win the league my team San Angel had a decent season in 6th and they get another uefa cup spot which is

are the clubs signing players mainly from england/scotland or is it more varied?

Pretty much, most of the signings by the teams seem to be from the English and Scottish leagues, particularly young talent either in Scottish clubs outside the Old Firm or at English clubs from the bottom of the Premiership to League One/Two.

quote]Originally posted by Passer-by:

Could you upload the database pretty please? I would love to try my hands on one of these teams.

I'm afraid not, and that's for two reasons. One, that I don't want people simulating ahead with my experiment thereby spoiling it and stealing my idea, and two, the database currently doesn't work with patch 8.01, I have raised this with SI, but have also an older version I created during the beta patch stage as a backup that works when setting up a game under the full patch (this version doesn't). I'm slowly updating the old version up to the current version so I have a version that works with the new patch. It's a slow process.

I do promise however that when this experiment has run its course, or at a suitable time down the line, I will make the database freely available to those who want it. That I will do.

Who gets promoted to the 2nd division?

Two original Northern Irish teams (I Didn't put any clubs into the Third Division and just moved all N.Ireland First Division clubs into that division). Portadown and another team I cannot remember, hopefully they won't make it to the First Division.

I hope to be doing a statistical update for the end of the first season tonight. (Changes in values, stadiums, and other details etc).

Manager Movements

Incumbent Managers

Jason Striez (United Commonwealth Club)

Adonis Iscarus (Argyres)

Jack McDonald ( FC Jasque)

Bernie Russo (Lantisia)

Emile Harve (Diamond Heights)

Gabriel Indarion (Shasarazade)

Andrew O’Brien (AFC Posul)

Before the Season

Bozarburg hired Garry Pendrey (Celtic assistant manager)

Faradafry hired John Ward (Cheltenham manager)

Grimme Athletic hired Russell Slade (Yeovil manager)

Newtonia hired Pat Scully (Shamrock Rovers manager)

Nodnol City hired Mal Donaghy (No club)

Port Nelson hired Peter Taylor (Crystal Palace manager)

San Angel hired Danny Wilson (Hartlepool manager)

Stravchine Balanvinski hired Sammy McIlroy (Morecambe manager)

Wegason hired Jimmy Nicholl (Aberdeen assistant manager)

Whitefield United hired Colin Clarke (Puerto Rico manager)

Midseason Changes

United Commonwealth Club sacked Jason Striez in December and hired John Robertson (Derry City manager)

Balanvinski sacked Sammy McIlroy in December and hired Steve Cotterill (Burnley manager)

Balanvinski sacked Steve Cotterill in February and hired Mike Pritchard (No club)

Port Nelson sacked Peter Taylor in March and hired Geraint Williams (Colchester manager)

Bozarburg sacked Garry Pendrey in late March and hired Dave Penney (Darlington Manager)

Balanvinski were aggressive with their managers, refusing to tolerate failure, the Chairman is quite ambitious and the 15th place was something he was not happy with, they seem to have a good manager in charge now. Port Nelson also sacked their manager for failing to meet expectations, which were a title challenge, they now have the former long-serving Colchester manager, Geraint Williams.

FIRST DIVISION GROUNDS BY CAPACITY

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85,000 - Trafalgar Park - Port Nelson

57,545 - Varburn Stadium - Stravchine Balanvinski

56,321 - Bastiat Crescent - FC Jasque

53,785 - The Octagon - Wegason Dragons

47,600 - Herodotus Stadium - Argyres

47,153 - The Temple - Nodnol City

39,500 - Shangrila Gardens - Shasarazade

36,720 - Steward's Centre - United Commonwealth Club

32,500 - Witterbach Stadium - Lantisia

31,942 - Pennyroyal Crescent - Whitefield United

29,430 - Wein Park - Grimme Athletic

27,750 - The Quarry - Diamond Heights

26,081 - Estadio Azteca - San Angel

24,272 - The Puffin Barrow - AFC Posul

19,000 - Calamint Road - Faradafry City

18,000 - Isaac Street - Newtonia

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As can be seen by the above table, stadiums have increased in size across the league with Bastiat Crescent, The Octagon, and Herodotus Stadium experiencing the biggest increases in capacity. This is detailed in the club overview to follow.

Season Summary

First Division Champions: FC Jasque

Isoeph Cup Winners: FC Jasque

Emperors Cup Winners: Whitefield United

Second Division Winners: AFC Posul

Dr Pepper League Cup Winners: Midchestnut United

Top Goalscorer: 16 – Adrian Davy (FC Jasque)

Most Assists: 16 – David Bell (FC Jasque)

Highest Rating: 7.21 – Patrick Rossa (Lantisia) (23 apps)

Overachievers: Grimme Athletic

Underachievers: Port Nelson

Manager of the Year: Jack McDonald

Ellisian Player of the Year: Barney Townsend (Lantisia)

Player of the Year: David Bell (FC Jasque)

Young Player of the Year: Keith Treacy (Lantisia)

Ellisian First Division Records

Richest Clubs in Ellisia

Around the World

English Champions: Chelsea

French Champions: Girondins Bordeaux

German Champions: FC Bayern

Italian Champions: AC Milan

Portuguese Champions: Benfica

Spanish Champions: FC Barcelona

European Champions League Winners: Liverpool bt Real Madrid 2-0

UEFA Cup Winners: Villarreal bt Zaragoza on penalties after a 1-1 draw

European Super Cup: AC Milan beat Sevilla

World Player of the Year: Silva (Valencia)

World Footballer of the Year: Luca Toni (FC Bayern)

European Footballer of the Year: Luca Toni (FC Bayern)

Ellisian Statistics

Ellisia World Ranking: 55th

European Co-efficient: 46th

Champions League Places: 1

UEFA Cup Places: 2 (+1)

Intertoto Cup Places: 1

Birth of a New Nation

Club Overview for Season 2008/2009

AFC Posul

Value: £4.9m (Loan Debt: £6m)

Stadium Name: The Puffin Barrow

Stadium Capacity: 24,272

City: Port Nelson

Prediction: 12th

Training: Average

Youth: Average

No affiliations

AFC Posul are quintessentially English, the club was founded by the English aristocracy in 1900 and only turned professional ten years ago but have risen up the leagues since. Their fierce rivals are Old Castle Swifts and their other rivals are Shasarazade and Wegason. Having won the Second Division, they'll be looking to solidify their position in the top division and remain here with the other two Port Nelson clubs.

Argyres Myrmidons

Value: £17.25m (Loan Debt: £14.5m)

Stadium Name: Herodotus Stadium

Original Capacity: 26,400

Current Capacity: 35,685

Future Capacity: 47,600

City: Adelphia

Prediction: 4th

Training: Good

Youth: Good

Parent Club: Real Madrid

Argyres struggled in the league but performed strongly in the Intertoto Cup. Predicted 4th last year they finished 10th, which is where they are predicted to finish this season.

Diamond Heights

Value: £9.25m

Stadium Name: The Quarry

Stadium Capacity: 27,750

City: Shangrila

Prediction: 16th

Training: Average

Youth: Average

Parent Club: Valencia

Diamond Heights played above all expectations by finishing 13th in the league but that has not stopped them being predicted for the drop this season. We’ll see if they’ll avoid the drop again.

Faradafry

Value: £4.1m

Stadium Name: Calamint Road

Stadium Capacity: 19,000

City: Faradafry

Prediction: 15th

Training: Good

Youth: Average

Parent Club: Benfica

Faradafry City were predicted to come 13th and came 14th, if they finish below their prediction this year they will be relegated. Their two stars, Gail Wynand and Colin Wash are wanted by bigger teams, and their young star defender, Walter Mildmay, is leaving for Crystal Palace. If the two stars leave and they don’t replace them with quality during the transfer window, they’ll go down.

FC Jasque

Value: £16m (Debt £38m)

Stadium Name: Bastiat Crescent

Original Capacity: 26,894

New Capacity: 44,077

Future Capacity: 56,321

City: Nodnol

Prediction: 1st

Training: Good

Youth: Good

Parent Club: Olympique Lyonnais

The champions, if they maintain their squad and add to it with quality additions, as well as getting some good players in from their parent, should be challenging for the title next season at the minimum.

Grimme Athletic

Value: £8.25m (Debt £3.5m)

Stadium Name: Wein Park

Original Capacity: 22,320

New Capacity: 29,430

City: Grimme

Prediction: 6th

Training: Average

Youth: Average

Parent Club: FC Bayern Munich

Grimme Athletic were the biggest overachievers in Ellisian football having been predicted to be struggling near the bottom they secured a place in the Intertoto Cup through a 4th position thanks to a great end of season run. Their stars are wanted but if they keep hold of them, and perhaps add some quality players they could push on for a title challenge, they’ll most likely finish in the top four again.

Lantisia City

Value: £9.25m

Stadium Name: Witterbach Stadium

Stadium Capacity: 32,500

City: Lantisia

Prediction: 2nd

Training: Good

Youth: Good

Parent Club: Sporting Lisbon

They took FC Jasque to the last day of the season and gave a spirited performance in the qualifying stages of the Champions League, they’ll most likely maintain their top club status.

Newtonia

Value: £4.2m

Stadium Name: Isaac Street

Stadium Capacity: 18,000

City: Newtonia

Prediction: 14th

Training: Avg

Youth: Avg

Parent Club: AC Milan

They came where they were predicted last season, 12th, 14th is the prediction this year and is probably a fair one though there is a distinct possibility they'll struggle and face a big relegation battle.

Nodnol City

Value: £17m (Loan Debt: £15.5m)

Stadium Name: The Temple

Original Capacity: 30,450

New Capacity: 47,153

City: Nodnol

Prediction: 9th

Training: Avg

Youth: Good

Parent Club: Chelsea

Their predicted to come where they finished last season, 9th, which is a fair prediction, some astute signings and the development of their talented youngsters could see this Fabien Barthez led team push further up the table.

Port Nelson Admirals FC

Value: £113m

Stadium Name: Trafalgar Park

Stadium Capacity: 85,000

Prediction: 5th

Training: Avg

Youth: Excellent + YA

Parent Club: Inter Milan

The Port Nelson Admirals are the biggest team in the land but bombed last season, they sacked their manager and hope to challenge better this season. Their value should see them able to buy some success in the transfer market, a prediction of 5th may be far fetched unless they buy in some talent.

San Angel Club Eagles

Value: £9.75m (Debt £3.5m)

Stadium Name: Estadio Azteca

Original Capacity: 19,110

Current Capacity: 26,081

City: San Angel

Prediction: 7th

Training: Adequate

Youth: Adequate

Parent Club: Barcelona

The San Angel Club Eagles finished well above their predicted 11th to come 6th, a great season. They’re predicted to do quite well this season as well, which seems realistic.

Shasarazade FC

Value: £6.5m

Stadium Name: Shangrila Gardens

Stadium Capacity: 39,500

City: Shangrila

Prediction: 8th

Training: Avg

Youth: Avg

Parent Club: FC Porto

Finishing above their predictions last year in 7th compared to 9th the Slicing Hammers will look to add to their attacking credentials in the transfer market and seek glory for Shangrila.

Stravchine Balanvinski

Value: £18.5m

Stadium Name: Varburn Stadium

Stadium Capacity: 57,545

Prediction: 13th

Training: Good

Youth: Good

Parent Club: Sevilla

Finishing in 15th when they were predicted to be 3rd Balanvinski went through three managers in the season. The hiring of Mike Pritchard saved them as they had the best run of form in the league during the last five games.

United Commonwealth Club

Value: £11.75m

Stadium Name: Steward's Centre

Original Capacity: 24,000

Current Capacity: 36,720

City: Malastaire

Prediction: 4th

Training: Good

Youth: Good

Parent Club: Juventus

Narrowly missing out on a Intertoto place by finishing in 5th United Commonwealth Club, with an abundance of talent, they’d be looking to progress onto greater things.

Wegason Dragons

Value: £30m (Debt £8.5m)

Stadium Name: The Octagon

Original Capacity: 40,000

Current Capacity: 53,785

City: Port Nelson

Prediction: 11th

Training: Avg

Youth: Avg

Parent Club: Manchester United

Predicted to come 15th last season they finished a strong 8th but whether they can build on this is doubtful as they’ve sold their captain, Hank Rearden to United Commonwealth Club, and star young striker Ragnar Danneskjold to Dundee United.

Whitefield United

Value: £7.25m (Debt £8.5m)

Stadium Name: Pennyroyal Crescent

Original Capacity: 21,500

Current Capacity: 31,942

City: Whitefield

Prediction: 3rd

Training: Avg

Youth: Avg

Parent Club: Arsenal

Finishing well above expectations, they were big overachievers last season and will look to make the most of their UEFA Cup birth.

RELEGATED CLUBS

Bozarburg

Value: £11.25m (Debt £6.5m)

Stadium Name: Red Lion Park

Original Capacity: 36,000

Current Capacity: 50,122

City: Bozarburg

Prediction: 1st

Training: Average

Youth: Good

Parent Club: Roma

They will be looking to bounce immediately back, as the media expects them to, from their disappointing relegation. As their youngsters mature they should be able to climb back into the First Division, perhaps at the first attempt.

Damn forum technology not accepting italics within url tags!!!

I'll repost that with the links reworking, below:

BIRTH OF A NEW NATION

Club Overview for Season 2008/2009

AFC Posul

Value: £4.9m (Loan Debt: £6m)

Stadium Name: The Puffin Barrow

Stadium Capacity: 24,272

City: Port Nelson

Prediction: 12th

Training: Average

Youth: Average

No affiliations

AFC Posul are quintessentially English, the club was founded by the English aristocracy in 1900 and only turned professional ten years ago but have risen up the leagues since. Their fierce rivals are Old Castle Swifts and their other rivals are Shasarazade and Wegason.

Argyres Myrmidons

Value: £17.25m (Loan Debt: £14.5m)

Stadium Name: Herodotus Stadium

Original Capacity: 26,400

Current Capacity: 35,685

Future Capacity: 47,600

City: Adelphia

Prediction: 4th

Training: Good

Youth: Good

Parent Club: Real Madrid

Argyres struggled in the league but performed strongly in the Intertoto Cup. Predicted 4th last year they finished 10th, which is where they are predicted to finish this season.

Diamond Heights

Value: £9.25m

Stadium Name: The Quarry

Stadium Capacity: 27,750

City: Shangrila

Prediction: 16th

Training: Average

Youth: Average

Parent Club: Valencia

Diamond Heights played above all expectations by finishing 13th in the league but that has not stopped them being predicted for the drop this season. We’ll see if they’ll avoid the drop again.

Faradafry

Value: £4.1m

Stadium Name: Calamint Road

Stadium Capacity: 19,000

City: Faradafry

Prediction: 15th

Training: Good

Youth: Average

Parent Club: Benfica

Faradafry City were predicted to come 13th and came 14th, if they finish below their prediction this year they will be relegated. Their two stars, Gail Wynand and Colin Wash are wanted by bigger teams, and their young star defender, Walter Mildmay, is leaving for Crystal Palace. If the two stars leave and they don’t replace them with quality during the transfer window, they’ll go down.

FC Jasque

Value: £16m (Debt £38m)

Stadium Name: Bastiat Crescent

Original Capacity: 26,894

New Capacity: 44,077

Future Capacity: 56,321

City: Nodnol

Prediction: 1st

Training: Good

Youth: Good

Parent Club: Olympique Lyonnais

The champions, if they maintain their squad and add to it with quality additions, as well as getting some good players in from their parent, should be challenging for the title next season at the minimum.

Grimme Athletic

Value: £8.25m (Debt £3.5m)

Stadium Name: Wein Park

Original Capacity: 22,320

New Capacity: 29,430

City: Grimme

Prediction: 6th

Training: Average

Youth: Average

Parent Club: FC Bayern Munich

Grimme Athletic were the biggest overachievers in Ellisian football having been predicted to be struggling near the bottom they secured a place in the Intertoto Cup through a 4th position thanks to a great end of season run. Their stars are wanted but if they keep hold of them, and perhaps add some quality players they could push on for a title challenge, they’ll most likely finish in the top four again.

Lantisia City

Value: £9.25m

Stadium Name: Witterbach Stadium

Stadium Capacity: 32,500

City: Lantisia

Prediction: 2nd

Training: Good

Youth: Good

Parent Club: Sporting Lisbon

They took FC Jasque to the last day of the season and gave a spirited performance in the qualifying stages of the Champions League, they’ll most likely maintain their top club status.

Newtonia

Value: £4.2m

Stadium Name: Isaac Street

Stadium Capacity: 18,000

City: Newtonia

Prediction: 14th

Training: Avg

Youth: Avg

Parent Club: AC Milan

They came where they were predicted last season, 12th, 14th is the prediction this year and is probably a fair one.

Nodnol City

Value: £17m (Loan Debt: £15.5m)

Stadium Name: The Temple

Original Capacity: 30,450

New Capacity: 47,153

City: Nodnol

Prediction: 9th

Training: Avg

Youth: Good

Parent Club: Chelsea

Their predicted to come where they finished last season, 9th, which is a fair prediction, some astute signings and the development of their talented youngsters could see this Fabien Barthez led team push further up the table.

Port Nelson Admirals FC

Value: £113m

Stadium Name: Trafalgar Park

Stadium Capacity: 85,000

Prediction: 5th

Training: Avg

Youth: Excellent + YA

Parent Club: Inter Milan

The Port Nelson Admirals are the biggest team in the land but bombed last season, they sacked their manager and hope to challenge better this season. Their value should see them able to buy some success in the transfer market, a prediction of 5th may be far fetched unless they buy in some talent.

San Angel Club Eagles

Value: £9.75m (Debt £3.5m)

Stadium Name: Estadio Azteca

Original Capacity: 19,110

Current Capacity: 26,081

City: San Angel

Prediction: 7th

Training: Adequate

Youth: Adequate

Parent Club: Barcelona

The San Angel Club Eagles finished well above their predicted 11th to come 6th, a great season. They’re predicted to do quite well this season as well, which seems realistic.

Shasarazade FC

Value: £6.5m

Stadium Name: Shangrila Gardens

Stadium Capacity: 39,500

City: Shangrila

Prediction: 8th

Training: Avg

Youth: Avg

Parent Club: FC Porto

Finishing above their predictions last year in 7th compared to 9th the Slicing Hammers will look to add to their attacking credentials in the transfer market and seek glory for Shangrila.

Stravchine Balanvinski

Value: £18.5m

Stadium Name: Varburn Stadium

Stadium Capacity: 57,545

Prediction: 13th

Training: Good

Youth: Good

Parent Club: Sevilla

Finishing in 15th when they were predicted to be 3rd Balanvinski went through three managers in the season. The hiring of Mike Pritchard saved them as they had the best run of form in the league during the last five games.

United Commonwealth Club

Value: £11.75m

Stadium Name: Steward's Centre

Original Capacity: 24,000

Current Capacity: 36,720

City: Malastaire

Prediction: 4th

Training: Good

Youth: Good

Parent Club: Juventus

Narrowly missing out on a Intertoto place by finishing in 5th United Commonwealth Club, with an abundance of talent, they’d be looking to progress onto greater things.

Wegason Dragons

Value: £30m (Debt £8.5m)

Stadium Name: The Octagon

Original Capacity: 40,000

Current Capacity: 53,785

City: Port Nelson

Prediction: 11th

Training: Avg

Youth: Avg

Parent Club: Manchester United

Predicted to come 15th last season they finished a strong 8th but whether they can build on this is doubtful as they’ve sold their captain, Hank Rearden to United Commonwealth Club, and star young striker Ragnar Danneskjold to Dundee United.

Whitefield United

Value: £7.25m (Debt £8.5m)

Stadium Name: Pennyroyal Crescent

Original Capacity: 21,500

Current Capacity: 31,942

City: Whitefield

Prediction: 3rd

Training: Avg

Youth: Avg

Parent Club: Arsenal

Finishing well above expectations, they were big overachievers last season and will look to make the most of their UEFA Cup birth.

RELEGATED CLUBS

Bozarburg

Value: £11.25m (Debt £6.5m)

Stadium Name: Red Lion Park

Original Capacity: 36,000

Current Capacity: 50,122

City: Bozarburg

Prediction: 1st

Training: Average

Youth: Good

Parent Club: Roma

They will be looking to bounce immediately back, as the media expects them to, from their disappointing relegation. As their youngsters mature they should be able to climb back into the First Division, perhaps at the first attempt.

I predict United Commonwealth Club will win the league

Can a mod please delete my post above if at all possible. posted at 27/11/07 at 21.15

Its the space between the .jpg and the ] that's doing it.

Right, let's just post the clubinfo links separately

AFC Posul

Argyres Myrmidons

Diamond Heights

Faradafry

FC Jasque

Grimme Athletic

Lantisia City

Newtonia

Nodnol City

Port Nelson Admirals FC

San Angel Club Eagles

Shasarazade FC

Stravchine Balanvinski

United Commonwealth Club

Wegason Dragons

Whitefield United

Really really interesting stuff Wegason. Well done!

Do the clubs have nicknames added for them or did you leave them as normal/blank?

Im going to support Argyres

'Mon the Myrmidons.

Really good idea wegason!

Originally posted by LCFCtillidie:

Im going to support Argyres

'Mon the Myrmidons.

Really good idea wegason!

Tut tut I'm a United Commonwealth Club man myself

hmmmm it shall be intresting to see when/if theres a influx of players from more far flung areas, i would expect port nelson to be the first to start snooping around other countries with their infrastructure

and come on san angel

Club Nicknames

AFC Posul - The Puffins

Argyres Myrmidons - The Myrmidons (research Achilles)

Bozarburg - The Lions

Diamond Heights - The Diamonds/ The Miners

Faradafry - The Thunder

FC Jasque - The Atoms

Grimme Athletic - The Austrians

Lantisia City - The Oolongs

Newtonia - The Apples

Nodnol City - The Royals

Port Nelson Admirals FC - The Admirals

San Angel Club Eagles - The Eagles

Shasarazade FC - The Slicing Hammers

Stravchine Balanvinski - The Invincibles

United Commonwealth Club - The Drakes

Wegason Dragons - The Dragons

Whitefield United - The Whites

Up the Atoms!

I'm pretty sure that Diamond Heights needs a Waddle/Hoddle dream team

Great read, KUTGW fantastic idea, would love to do something like this and have the patience to carry it out

With the appointment of Jimmy Nic as our manager, I think I've found my team...

to the tune of land of hope and glory

We hate Po-ort Nelson,

We hate Jasque too,

We hate Shasarazade,

But Wegason we love you