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    Hi folks,

    One of the things we are taking on board from this year’s release is that feedback from these forums can be very useful in terms of identifying issues, but is sometimes received at the point after which we have released a new game or patch for it, simply due to the amount of permutations in a game like FM.

    So what we want to do in this thread is to invite those of you who are interested to apply to beta test future patches and releases of Football Manager, in order for us to get more feedback and get more people testing patches and releases to try and get any issues ironed out before release - you will be expected to give regular feedback via a special invite only forum as part of beta testing.

    All you need to do is post in this thread, stating why you feel you should be considered and your biggest issue (if you have one) with Football Manager 2009. We will also take your previous posts into account, as well as infractions etc and choose those of you we feel can contribute to making the next patch as good as possible.

    Some things to be aware of before posting...

    You would need to sign a Non Disclosure Agreement (a document where you legally promise to not discuss any area of beta testing or what you are testing) in order to take part in the testing process and therefore must be over 18 or be able to get your parents to sign the legal document for you. You also need to ensure that your details are up to date in your profile so that we can email you if your application is successful.

    Please also note that we will only get in touch with you if your application has been successful and please do not be offended if you are not picked - we know what we are looking for and whilst some of you who apply may be perfectly suited to help in different cirumstances, you may not be suitable at this time.

    Finally, this thread is purely for applications to be part of what we call our "Dream Team" test team. We ask that people do not comment on other people's applications, or take the thread off-topic, and if there are off-topic posts, infractions and deletions of posts will likely follow.......

    Closing date for applications for this round of beta testing is Sunday 11th January at midday UK time, and all who we wish to invite to be testers will be contacted by Wednesday 14th January.

    Cheers,
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    I'll open the batting.

    I would like to declare my interest in to this beta testing arrangement. I feel that I should be considered as a proven Beta tester from FML and a regular player of the FM series since the first Championship Manager series. The biggest "issue" I have at current is around the current in-game features such as the press conferences which lack the detail and sense to maintain enjoyment in participating in these as opposed to just sending the AssMan to deal with them.

    Looking forward to the opportunity and priviledge,

    Kind Regards


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    Read it again buddy You can be in a position to have a parent sign it should you be under 18

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    I think that I would be good for this as I have played the games for a long time (since CM2) and think that I have a good knowledge of the games and how they should work. Also, I consider myself to be logical minded, which should help.

    I think also as someone who has beta tested FML since GW4 opened, that I understand how the process works and what kind of things you are trying to achieve.

    My biggest bug bear with FM09 is the press conferences, not enough of them is taken into account by your players or the media message afterwards, also I would like to see more variance and detail in both the questions asked and the answers that you have to choose from

    Look forward to (possibly) hearing the good news ;)
    Thanks for the opportunity Paul

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    Sorry, I stand corrected. I apologise.

    I would now like to throw my hat into the ring. Mainly because I've played FM since FM05 but only because of my age that I haven't played more, I play it constantly and am always on unless my laptop breaks (which it has at the moment). My biggest gripe with FM09 is that, Like JJay said, is the press conferences aren't detailed enough, also the team-talks are sometimes very limited and need to be expanded on. Also I Beta tested FML which I thought was enjoyable and good fun so I know a bit about what to look for and so on. Another note, my infraction wasn't deserved as other people have kindly pointed out to me so please don't hold that against me.

    Cheers for your time.

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    Hello,

    I would like to think I proved my worth as a beta-tester during the FML Beta Phase, I would enjoy being given the opportunity to test Football Manager as it is by far my favourite game and the only game I play on PC. My current gripes with the game are the "simple bugs" like poor AI transfer dealings and "simple issues" like in my opinion, poor interpretation of tactics - the sliders makes it too confusing. Apart from these which I understand may be hard to fix - for example things like FA Cup draws being wrong (simple but easily fixed) annoy me! Things like having more options and clarity in team-talks and press briefings would be up there with things I would change aswell.

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    I would like to be considered as part of the Beta testing team. I love the series now as much as the early championship managers and have seen the game grow much bigger and better with each version. In my opinion the biggest problem/ issue with the game is the match engine and how it is only representative of the game and still has certain flaws which make the game look unrealistic.

    I Hope I can have the opportunity to help make this game better in the future.

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    I'd love to beta test future patches and releases, my post count isn't very high, but I'm sure most of my posts have been helpful.
    I play the game as much as possible, I have a bit of an OCD personality so hopefully I'd spot things that others would'nt.
    The biggest issue i have with the game at the moment is the news, I often find that I haven't been told about appointments or sackings at clubs in the same leagues as me, and other big stories like signings.

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    Hiya,

    I'd like to confirm my interest in Beta Testing for FM.

    I have access to the full range of Intel Apple Mac's through work, and am personally interested in the improvement of performance on Mac laptops in non-3D environment; something that has seriously degraded in FM09.

    I am extremely patient as a former web application developer and systems integrator, and very comfortable with deeper Unix side of the Mac environment.

    I have played the series since the Amiga days of CM1; and have become an even more dedicated fan since the sponsorship of my local team - AFC Wimbledon :-)

    Although not a regular poster on this forum, it is mainly due to my dis-interest of the negative and childish behavior especially surrounding the launch-day issues.

    Happy New Year!

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    I would like to be considered.
    You may remember that I myself did indeed start a thread a while ago, discussing this idea of (almost) open beta-testing. I was told then that there was such a thing before but people abused the position by leaking information about the game and/or code.
    I'm 29yrs old and have been playing CM/FM since CM4; I'm a big fan of the series and would like nothing more than to volunteer my services to Sports Interactive in order to help FM progress in any way I can.
    One area I do have issues with is the odd goings-on in the match engine and the players' apparent lack of intelligence and poor decision-making, eg; (even "World Class" players) running the ball out of play when under no pressure whatsoever; really fast strikers and wingers being out-paced by lumbering CB's regardless of condition, etc etc (I could make a list but it wouldn't matter at the minute).

    I would like to be given this opportunity.

    Steve.

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    I would like to considered for a part in this role. I have played CM/FM for as long as I have owned a PC. I may have only recently joined these forums but my job role IRL involves software testing for a large company and I feel I have a very clear understanding of whats involved in testing. I also seem to have a lot of spare time recently :S. From my testing I know I have a good attention to detail and am able to look at the wider picture of what others areas could be affected by a bug I find and see if that is also affected.

    The biggest issue I have with FM09 upto now is the IMO unrealistic way in which boards are running clubs. Im in 2014 in my game and a scroll through the club information shows me not a single premiership club have expanded there capacity (except one ive just noticed). One club have moved the "Portsmouth Stadium" but the rest are still in there current Stadiums. I understand its a fine balance and seems IMO to have been toned down from 08 but I believe its gone to far.

    Oh the other thing thats really really annoying in 09 is the staff contract reminders not showing anywhere in your inbox. I dont know how it happeened but I ended up with no Physio's at all and that cant be good or normal?

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    I'd love to be considered for this, because I'd like to be a help to you guys make the game or patches as perfect as possible. I've been playing FM since 06 and I do think, whilst it has its flaws, 09 is the best yet. A tiny flaw in the ME on 2D classic I've found is that it sometimes shrinks to mini-dots. To be part of the experience (allbeit, not a big part but still) would be fantastic and thats why I'd like you to consider me as a beta tester.

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    I'd like to become a beta tester for SI on behalf of the Mac users. We are always overlooked in departments and our gameplay has many bugs that need addressing. I have been playing FM since the company started, having plenty of experience and foresight on areas the game could improve. Thanks for giving people the chance to become beta testers.

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    You also need to ensure that your details are up to date in your profile so that we can email you if your application is successful.
    Does this mean the e-mail we registered with? (e.g ]XXXXX[at]hothoo.org)

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    Yes - if it's not your current email address then you change that by going to the User CP - Edit Email & Password and update it there.

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    I would like to be considered for a Beta testing role! I'm more than happy to spend some time helping out a game I get a great deal of enjoyment from and I'd be delighted to support a developer that interfaces with its community. I wish more would.

    At present I've plenty of time on my hands and I spend a fair amount of my 'FM time' on the forums answering posts as best I can, not to mention sticking my oar in and suggesting improvements to game features. I'd like to think the majority of my posts are considered (at least for a forum) and in no way aggressive. I've been writing a suggestions post off-line for a while and I'd imagine some of it could go into this more private of forums in order to help development of future patches.

    Professionally I'm a game designer and manager within the unstable world of game development. Having received a tidy pay-off from the last studio I brought to its knees (actually they just decided to go all porting house, bah!) I'm taking time out before returning to the industry. That last line is so job-seeker it made me chuckle. If I cannot get a full-time design position at SI, I'd be happy to help for free when it comes to providing feedback on the patches/anything else that crops up. I very much doubt my returning to work would void my ability to work for you chaps (I'm not likely to turn up at BGS put it that way and I have many a time worked on freelance contracts whilst holding full-time employment - something I look to have approved).

    My biggest issue with FM is a close run call between its inaccessbility for the lightweight gamer (doesnt play many games, perhaps only FM) which is my professional side coming out and from a personal 'fan' side I'd say the lack of scenario support. By this I mean things such as press conferences not being well tailored to the multitude of scenarios that can exist in a managerial career, media reports not catering for specific scenarios appropriately and so on. Thinking ahead in order to avoid bug scenarios. I could certainly help with other areas that might be less popular (face it, everyone will want ME, Regens, Media and so on ).

    I dont know if I can ask here but I've a couple of questions:

    Is installation of beta patches reversible?
    Could we have two installs of FM? (personal and testing?)
    Would we all need exactly the same data? By this I mean skins, pitch graphics, billboard gfx and so on - there are a ton of community add-ons in the real-world.

    I suppose ideally we could play using our current real-world setups (surely half the point?) as well as run a clean development type environment.

    The End.
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    In this post I will state the reasons on why I should be picked to be part of the BETA testing team.

    First off, I am a massive fan of Football Manager, I really enjoy the game and enjoy being part of the community. This is an advantage because I am in touch with other hardcore fans and know what standards are expected by the community. I know what will be stood for and what will not.

    Also, even though I am young, I am an enthusiastic and calm person this can only be positive. The fact that I am enthusiatic will help in noticing problems with the game and will show no hesitation in pointing them out. The fact that I would arrive home from school and spend that whole night testing the game only shows that I want to do the job and do it properly. I can also take any abuse that may arise, if the names chosen become community knowledge, and not jump back down their throats with insults of my own. I will not mind if users want to blame me and the rest of the testing team, for mistakes with the game, as far as I see it, I can take positives from it and only learn if I have missed something.

    Furthermore, I am a dedicated person. I push myself to the limits in everything I do and this would be no different. I would make sure my testing standards are high and will do everything in my power to make sure nothing gets past me in terms of bugs. Ever since my own Football experience has kicked off, I have always wanted to be the best; I do not do third, or even second, I only ever accept being first. The same will apply when I am testing, I will not treat as something I do on the side, I will take give 100% and make sure if I see a problem, everyone in the testing team finds out about the problem to input their opinion.

    Another positive is that I have two computers; a top of the range laptop and a desktop that just met the minimum requirements for FM09. Presuming the changes made for FM10 are not too drastic, and of course, I am given permission, I could test out both machines for graphical bugs or even performance issues. I will have the best the game can run and near the worst the game can run, so that gives me the ability to compare the two and make sure graphical glitches are minimal and performance issues noticed increase.

    Another thing is, I am not going to claim that I am experienced in the testing department. I believe you need something fresh, something new, and a bit of enthusiasm. I am applying as it is something I want to do, I want to be a part of the production of Football Manager. Hopefully you will see from my previous posts that I am helpful and willing and am determined to make sure everyone is satisfied with the product.

    Finally, and most importantly, I am honest. I never let anybody take my opinion away from me and I am not afraid to put someone straight. Some may see this as a negative quality but I see it as very important in business as a whole. The last thing a company like Sports Interactive want is someone who is afraid to pick something out and is afraid to form an opinion. I am mentally strong and am not going to hide when I see a problem that other members may not think is so important. For me, a perfect game is a bug-free game, so, while no product released has been bug free (Football Manager among other games) I would do my best to make sure everything from the major bugs to the little irritating bugs are noticed, and fixed up.

    My biggest issue with Football Manager 2009 is the training. I think the way the user decides how his team train needs a complete revamp as I do not believe it is very user friendly. Many people do not use training that often and leave it as the default given, when in the real world of Football, training is an integral part to a teams success and has massive importance. I would also prefer an alternative to be looked into for the sliders. I would rather have a day plan set out for each day and let the user decide which areas of training he will focus on in each section of the day. Some may see this as 'gimmicky' but I see it as the most realistic way training can be set out.

    To conclude, I feel I have the best qualities to be given the responsibility of beta testing. I am alert, enthusiastic and will not let enjoyment get in the way of doing something and doing it properly.

    Kind Regards, Peter
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    i have playing the games, since the early days, which includes the first game produced, under the title championship manager. since then ive been hooked, i would love to be helpfull, in anyway possible.

    in such a case, when it comes to beta testing, i would be inclined to use the frase, the more the merrier..

    ive been critical over the number of major bugs, ive questioned the testing and always wondered how certain bugs could slip through.. so i personally feel, with my criticism viewed in hindsight, i should step up to the plate and seek to become a beta tester..

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    Hi, i am posting here as i would like to be considered for beta testing.

    I have been playing this series from its first incarnation to this one, although in the earlier versions there was almost no need for beta testers as the game ran 'almost' perfectly. Saying that you can guess that i think that FM2009 is full of bugs, a view shared by probably almost everyone who has played the game.

    I am not the sort to go out looking for bugs but that is what i would do as a tester, i understand it is not enough simply playing the product, you have to look for them.

    I am 28 years old, been playing since 15 years old or so.... now i feel old.

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    I'd be happy to help where and when I can... I've been playing the game since 97/98 etc etc, I have minimal experience in games development but I've been developing websites (usually for my own amusement) for about 12/13 years now so I have a little experience in poking out bugs, allbeit usually with a little more knowledge of where to poke! I also have a couple of different setups so I would be able to test on XP and Vista with nVidia and SIS graphics cards.

    As for FM09 it's been underplayed by myself so far with christmas etc, my main gripe had been having players stretchered off when I had no subs left only to find them fully fit straight after the match (and conceding after going down to 10...) but that seems to be fixed in 9.2, the most annoying one still in there is that assistants have a habit of giving 2 or 3 players 'team' teamtalks, then everyone else individual ones that are exactly the same, so I have to go through and change 9 players back to team rather than just 2 or 3, which seems a little illogical to me.

    Anyway hope I can help

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    I believe I would be a suitable candidate for BETA testing as I am dedicated,trustworthy and always give an honest opinion on everything, I am also open minded and will always give new ideas or features a suitable period of time before commenting on them to get a good idea of how they will impact the game. I will only comment on features that affect the game as a whole and not on features that i personally dont like, i also believe that everyone is allowed an opinion and have the right to express it but in a constructive manner.
    Overall I believe I would be suited for BETA testing as I have the qualities needed to be fair and will try to help in anyway for improvement on future versions of Football Manager and its patches, thank you.
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    I would like to try the beta testing i spend alot of time on forums and like to think ive got alot of knowledge about footie.Played semi pro for 8 years ive also just started to do my own fm updates which you can see in editors highway

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    I would like to volunteer to be a Beta Tester for FM, I have played the game from when it was first released as Championship Manager on Domark, on average I play around 3 hours per day and the Match Engine is my main concern.

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    I feel I would be able to beta test as I have played all football manager games... including the original championship manager games since I can remember. Im currently 21 and a student..meaning I have stupid amounts of time on my hands to take part. I recently helped test FM live aswell, so i understand that what I will be testing is not the final product and can cope with the many likely problems there will be.
    So yeah ill be happy to test and sign what ever forms you need me to.

    Thanks Rory Ruddock (long suffering NUFC fan)

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    Hi, I'd really like to be considered to become a beta tester.

    Im reasonably new to the football manager series, with FM06 being the first one i played. However i have been completely hooked since!
    I play a massive amount of Football Manager these days, with it taking up most of my spare time putting in around 5-6 hours a night, and up to 15 hours on the weekend.

    I think there are a few minor problems needing sorting out, including the press conferences!
    I dont play on the best gaming rig ever! Just my simple laptop for college, but it gets the work done!

    I've never tried to do it in a FM game itself, but i do look for ways to, in essence "break" a game, especially when playing on the xbox 360 online, a quality which would be perfect for a beta tester.

    Thanks for reading!

    Hope to hear from you soon!

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    I'd love to be considered for this beta testing role, mainly because I would like to help out in making future editions of the game as realistic & enjoyable as possible.

    Firstly, I'm 16 years old & have been following the CM/FM series since CM03/04 times I believe, but would have been playing it at an earlier stage if I was older I'm sure. I've been an avid follower of the series ever since, buying every game in the series since then, & would certainly consider myself as a hardcore FM'er.

    I very much enjoy being part of the Football Manager community on these boards, & would be glad to contribute more to the community by helping in the beta testing process.

    While I certainly am enjoying playing Football Manager 2009, but there is one particular part of them game where I feel there is still room for improvement in. This is the media interaction area - I feel that this area of the game needs to be heavily expanded on, with more detail being put into it (more options in comments you can make to players/managers, making press conferences less repetitive, being able to call your own press conferences, & many other things like that which I can't think of right now!)

    In conclusion, I would love to be given the opportunity to be a tester because I feel that I'm very passionate about this game & would be driven to help make it the best game it can possibly be.

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    I would like to be considered for Beta testing.

    I have played the CM/FM series since it's start and fell that I have a good understanding of how the game works and the importance to detail that has become a hallmark of every game. I have a good understanding of the match engine and feel I can spot possible bugs relating to it. Furthermore, I would be honoured to play a part in future releases of Football Manager and help make the final version as playable and efficient as possible.

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    Hi there - I'd love to be a beta tester as I've played the game since CM3.

    I live in Denmark and I can especially offer knowledge on the Scandinavian market. When playing I also manage in the Spanish and English leagues. My primary focus is the transfer market and the mental aspects of squad management. IRL I follow transfers closely and therefore I feel that I have a very good perception of how the real life transfer market works.

    My main issue with the game is accordingly unrealistic player movement. In Denmark for instance too many unknown players from e.g. South America make their way to the Danish league, which doesn't represent the real life situation. This is something that has been going on for years. Also AI clubs magically spotting those special talents who've never even played a senior game or been on a trial with the club in question.

    I am a casual gamer when it comes to tactics and trainig, meaning that I don't spend hours and hours setting these up. But I do feel that this is an area of the game which could be made more, shall we say, transparent for those from your customer base who maybe don't have the time to go that much into detail and just want to get on with their matches.

    Another thing I like to do is play around with the database in the editor, setting up various scenarios and seeing how the game reacts. I am very comfortable with using the editor and feel that I definitely could make a good contribution to making sure that it works as intended.

    I have experience from testing other applications as well, where the main focus has been spotting language errors and giving feedback on the user experience, i.e. is it hard to get an overview of the options available or is the program too confusing. As I work in a technical support role, I'm also very used to tracking down technical issues, should that also become a necessity.

    All in all, I'm not as arrogant as this text might make me seem I'm just very determined to contribute to making the game as realistic and smooth as possible.

    I welcome this initiative and really hope to hear from you.

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    I would like to be considered for future FM beta testing because I waste most of my life playing this game and would love to have the chance to solve any issues to make the game as good as possible.
    I have beta tested before, for FM live and appreciate the work that all beta testers do.
    I started my managing career with champ man 00/01 and have never looked back
    The feature I would like to develop most is scouting, I want to make scouting a bigger part of the FM series because at the moment I think its too basic :P

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    I did some beta testing before and I'm playing this game since CM2. And I have some knowledge about the Swiss, German and Austrian leagues structures and would have spotted the Swiss registration bug very early.

    And I'm playing the game both on a windows pc and a macintosh.

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    Like to register my interest. I sometimes go a bit overboard with my posts in terms of my "criticism" of certain areas such is my love....no that's not the right word, it's more a caring feeling, for the game since it's CM early days.

    I'm a firm believer that FM is a better game year on year and due to the smaller increase in features (I feel a plataeu is forthcoming) year on year, testing as a concept and as a developmental phase is paramount now, as ever.

    I have no prior software testing experience, but do have some limited software development experience (from a project manager role). My personal agenda should I be accepted is to scrutinise the "media/press" centric sections of the game in order to make sure that the interaction between them (media) and the club and it's employees is as fluid as possible (restrictions permitting).

    Obviously I won't be developing the game, but my expectations in this area (and indeed others) may well help to highlight a few "data related oversights " perhaps, as well as the show stopping bugs.

    Here's hoping I'll get a look in, and if so, I hope I deliver something approaching a good service

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    Hi. I would love to be a beta tester.

    I have played Football Manager (or Championship Manager as it was) for many years now. I feel I have an in-depth knowledge of how the game works and as such I feel I would be a good beta tester. I feel I am able to contribute to the feedback on the game to make sure the game is as good as it can be, and indeed is, and consider myself able to give a balanced opinion and constructive criticism, not just stating the problem, but how it can be fixed. I know I haven't posted much on the forum; I generally use it for guidance in helping fix something which may have gone wrong. However, if I was to become a beta tester I would rest assured post more than I have done previously.
    My major issue with FM2009 is unrealistic transfer fees. I am a Manchester City supporter, and I know we are owned by very rich people, but it doesn't justify paying abnormally large transfer fees for fairly mediocre players (I've heard someone say they got £70m out of City for Obafemi Martins, and another £30m for Jonathan Woodgate). This would never happen in real life.

    Thanks, and I hope you seriously consider me as a beta tester.
    James Halfpenny
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    I'd like to put myself forward for a position as a BETA tester. Why? Well, without meaning to sound big-headed (but I suppose you have to in applications as such) I like to think I am well-educated, well-mannered, hard-working, diligant, and rational with an eye for problem solving. I also see myself as an advocator of common sense and logic, which I believe would be an essential quality for thorough testing.

    I can't say that I have an experience testing, but can say that I have both reported bugs, both major and minor (from the '1 day injuries' bug to text-string errors), and that I have tried to help others with issues, even when the affected person in question may appear less than helpful.

    Although I am not 18 for another 3 months, I have been playing Championship Manager and Football Manager since my childhood days, owning (although never really getting into) CM2, and finally really growing to love CM01/02. As I have grown up playing the game, from a 'newbie' and a young, navie player, to an experienced (I like to think) and more tactically-minded player, I have both seen the progress and evolution of the game, and got to grips with the game over the last decade.

    Saying that, however, I would still consider myself more of a casual gamer. I am not one for always setting myself goals and challenges, or playing a long time into the future, but that does not mean that I do not play as a variety of teams, at various levels in different countries. I believe this would be of benefit when testing less-commonly played leagues.

    I won't say right now what I think is wrong with the game, as others have, as I do not see that as either part of a tester's job (neccessarily), or appropriate for such an application. Believe me when I say, however, that I have many-a-idea should feedback and suggestions be encouraged or required from testers. However, if I must for the sake of the application, I'd say that my main gripe (not a large one) is with the number of mistakes and apparant lack of intelligence and direction shown by players.

    As this application may have proven I believe myself to be appropriately literate and competent for the job of finding bugs, and then of reporting them, as I believe I am up to the task not only of locating issues, but too of being able to successfully and efficiently relay them back to the developers.

    I think this application is pretty long, so I'll stop now.

    Please consider me for BETA tester; you'd be making a sound decision in doing so.

    James H.
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    First, some background. I am a 20 year old student studying Management. I've been playing FM since Championship Manager 3 and couldn't let the series go until CM4 where the amount of bugs put me off the game for the next couple of years until I decided to check out FM2006. The mess that was CM4 provides some reason for I want to be a beta tester for FM by that I mean I don't want to feel as disinterested about the game (effectively ending my interest in CM) as I did. Additionally, I have an affinity and loyalty towards SI for providing a game that's brought endless hours of sitting in front of a laptop or a computer in my life and as an extension of this good feeling I want to help FM strive for improvement. The state FM09 has found itself in, in my opinion is quite a mess with my views on all the issues already well publicised on these forums, however the response SI/Sega have taken in trying to rectify the situation for future patches and versions showing an adamant interest in providing a good product has re-affirmed my belief in the company. With this, I want to provide my 'expertise' to iron out flaws and provide an extra source of suggestions for the next step forward.

    The biggest problem I have with FM is that it's cluttered together with too many 'little' issues, flaws, bugs, and so on. The press conferences are unbearable, the AI transfer strategy is infuriatingly stupid, the bojan bug effectively ruins any integrity-focused top division football (and possibly long term games if regens are affected too as suspected), the 3d match engine is whilst a great new expansion from 2d, far from finished and for something that was supposedly 'years in the making' it's underwhelming. And there's more. If I had to choose one issue specifically, I would probably say something like the bojan bug or the transfer system, or perhaps press conferences or.. okay, it's tough. The reasons for any of those though, are the same: they come up in every new game and it's quite disheartening to play a game where even whilst you casually play, you come across such things where you can't actually conceive the developers missing them. Like with the injuries with 9.0. The feeling I get, and several of my friends have echoed is that it's like SI 'don't care' about what they've released when terribly obvious issues are released with a product and that isn't a feeling I want to associate with SI because that isn't them. Their interest in recruiting beta testers and more shows this. But if you're not a forum member how could you tell that? A worry though, is that a lot of these have been found, but there aren't enough coders to perhaps fix them in ample time? I don't know, this is pure speculation. But that's not the end of the world in any case. I realise I may come across more critical than anything else in my posts but I think you guys accept most criticisms I have made directed towards FM09, I have no intention to 'slate' anything for the sake of it. As far as my biggest issue with FM in terms of the backbone of the game would undoubtedly have to be the unintuitive tactical system, with the very neglected and underdeveloped training module and severely limited 'interaction' (with players in team talks/outside of matches, media, whoever; it's too repetitive and more often than not poorly worded) coming second and third.

    So why me? If you check the sort of threads I've been creating, they are regularly investigative inspired by observations I've made playing the game. I only raise queries to find out how things work and then offer suggestions to improve them. As I mentioned before, I study Management and critical thinking is an important component in such a degree, and I believe I've picked up a lot of transferable skills that would apply well in beta testing as well as suggestions for improvement to the game.
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    Firstly, I feel I would be ideal to beta test a Football Manager 2009 Patch. I have had experience beta testing SI Products before,with Football Manager Live, as well as some testing with Treyarch, but that is irrelevant . Admittedly, the first time I dropped out of it, feeling it would be better if someone who could remain more active could take my place. However, I returned for a second stint. Once again, I backed out, however, this time it was forced by my computer, which was a heap of..., however, since then, I have bought a laptop, specifically for Football Manager's 3D engine to run smoothly on. This can be of massive help as I can test out for any bugs and hitches. Anyway, I strived to make FML better, and I would strive to make this one better too. Football Manager is a brilliant game, and this is represented by the millions of fans who buy it. I feel that it would be an honour and a privilege to beta test FM 09's patches. I am an active member of one of your affiliates, FMDiscussion, and so I can easily give feedback whenever needed, and whenever I feel neccessary.

    My biggest issue with Football Manager right now is simply the little hitches in it. For example, if you check my recent posts, you will see after an embarassing 6-0 defeat to Manchester United at home, as Manchester City, my assistant singled out players, telling them that he was delighted with some, and just pleased with the others. He should have been angry with them all surely? Anyway, I would spend my time searching out bugs rather than trying to get a game in earlier than others.

    I am fully aware of data protection, as I work half-days in the Licensing Section of Berwick Borough Council two days a week, so I understand the idea of the Non Diclosure Agreement. I am under 18, however, my parents would be more than happy to sign the document for me, should my application be successful.

    In conclusion, I would be estatic should I be picked to beta test Football Manager, and would appreciate the chance to at least try to make the game better.

    Thanks, Dale Jones.

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    I would be very grateful to have such a significant role in the development of my most loved game which I've admired for years. I feel I'd be a great appointment because for 9 good years I've enjoyed your realistic simulation and have always been a keen contributor throughout the FM Scene websites and sharing useful and efficient guides. I have a vast knowledge of the database and have a good eye for spotting bugs and errors which need to be rectified. I have also had history as a beta tester for FMLive which shows some experience which is always helpful.
    My biggest qualm with this years FM is the confidence feature, it is a very useful addition but I feel it hasn't been executed to its greatest potential. This feature could prove to be very beneficial and give the human player more insight of the board's view.

    Also, I hope you don't totally disqualify me due to my one infraction. It wasn't meant to be offensive in any way.

    Kind regards, thanks for reading SI.
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    I would like to be considered as a beta tester.

    Quote Originally Posted by PaulC View Post
    All you need to do is post in this thread, stating why you feel you should be considered...
    Starting from Summer 2000 I spent twenty months employed as a contracted Tester, then Senior Tester (which included some supervisory duties) at A Large Video Games Publisher (TM). During this time I worked closely with an in-house development team and travelled to work alongside two seperate independent developers. I have experience in recording bugs in a clear and concise fashion, tracking fixes and any necessary regression testing. I have tested a football management game (albeit briefly).

    Although my current employment is outside the video games 'industry' it does involve some software testing; my role requires a high level of attention to detail, organisational skills, and the creation, review and implementation of procedures. There is also a great amount of research led investigation into fault finding and resolution.

    In order to demonstrate my style of bug reporting, I would be happy to supply the steps required to recreate a bug in the release PS2 version of EA's "Fight Night" that disables the 'Start' button when the 'saved by the bell' option is selected.

    I've been playing the Championship Manager, then Football Manager series since 1997. I've built two PC's, and bought one, to keep up with the requirements!

    ...and your biggest issue (if you have one) with Football Manager 2009.
    I'm currently sticking to version 9.1.0, so aside from the obvious 13-men-on-the-tactical-screen 4-5-1 formation and the 'long clearance' issue (which I've negated by having my forwards close down the goalkeeper) my main bugbear was/is the fact that using the 'Check for Updates' button from the main menu links to the wrong version of the patch (Mac patch for a PC game). A bug I recorded here:

    http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php?t=83895


    We will also take your previous posts into account, as well as infractions etc
    I'm OK on the infractions count - I hope!

    Although my post count isn't the highest, I mostly get involved in tactical discussions and ideas for future developments and direction. I registered on this site after a long period of lurking in order to take part in a discussion regarding the implementation of difficulty levels. Most of my posts were wiped prior to the move from the eve forum software, but I have often patiently and politely explained to angry and frustrated forumites how to negate the 'magic' 4-2-4 or 2-3-5 formations with five simple mouse clicks, ensuring their full backs are set to 'forward runs = rarely'.

    You would need to sign a Non Disclosure Agreement (a document where you legally promise to not discuss any area of beta testing or what you are testing) in order to take part in the testing process and therefore must be over 18 or be able to get your parents to sign the legal document for you.
    Not a problem. I'm significantly older than 18, and have signed non-disclosure agreements during several spells of employment.

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    I'd like to volunteer to test patches of FM in the future. I've been a frequent player of the FM series since its inception with FM05. I'm a responsible poster and I'm a moderator on some other forums, though I suspect I can't really prove that.

    I've just finished a Computing degree so I'm quite bang up-to-date and have plenty of knowledge in this kind of area. I'm also easy to contact and communicate well.

    My biggest issue with FM09 currently is the 3D engine. It is a massive step forward but I feel that some of the players don't move or run in the way they would in real life.

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    I would very much like to 'throw my hat in' as it where as a candidate for a role in beta testing future FM releases.

    Things I think would make me a good candidate for the position are; I gained a higher in English while at school (admittedly a long time ago now), so consider myself to be fairly adept in getting my point accross.

    I spend a very long time in front of my pc at home (due to having a physical disability) and would be more than happy to dedicate as much of that time as possible to helping to further improve the fm product.

    I have owned every installment of cm/fm from cm 01 onwards and therefore feel I have a good understanding of how the product has evolved up to this point in time, so would like to think I'd have a good eye for spotting when something just doesn't 'feel' right

    Finally, I have been a regular visitor to these forums for a while now and would hope that my conduct to others and the fact that I have never been on the wrong end of an infraction would go in my favour to some extent.

    My biggest issue with Football Manager 2009 v9.20 is the new way in which a players previous performances are now displayed, while I do see why this was changed in the latest version to include decimilsation and therefore a more precise breakdown of each individual players form, I feel that there has been a negative effect on a squads overall rating and now find that my defenders have disproportianately high ratings compared to the rest of my squad. I have considered that this could as the old forum cliche goes be a case of 'it's my tactics', but it has happened now in three seperate savegames with three diffirent teams and a fair few different and very contrasting tactics.

    One thing I feel I should add, even though it could damage my chances of being offered this opportunity, is that I have no experiance in the area of beta-testing whatsoever and would have to learn is I went along, I do consider myself a quick study though and feel confident I could do a good job given this opportunity.

    Thank you for taking the time to read this application and I look forward (hopefully) to your response.

    D. Owens.

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    I hope that SI takes this opportunity to make sure that the beta testing team reflects the diversity of the FM community. This may already be the case, in which case SI deserves much praise, but if it isn't, I hope that changes. FM, in its recent incarnations, does not reflect the styles of football played in South America, for example, and hopefully a diverse testing team would help FM to become a more fluid simulation, better able to account for the differing approaches to the game that are found around the world.

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    I would like to be considered for beta testing of FM.

    I believe I have quite a bit to offer if I was chosen to beta test.

    The two least most important are: I am american (I bought FM not WWSM though) and female. While these aren't very important, they at least give me a different point of view than most of your customers.

    I have played FM/CM since approximately 1997 so I have experience with multiple iterations of the series.

    I also have beta tested for sports management games in the past and I have also beta tested other games for 2 other companies, so I believe I have some experience in this matter.

    I also have multiple computers; a laptop and a top of the line quad core system that I built. The laptop is only 6 months old, but I do notice that the match engine will appear to skip frames (I haven't run Fraps yet to be certain though).

    I don't have any infractions, but I do know that my post count isn't very high. My goal in posting is constructive posting and unfortunately due to the issues that one of the previous applicants referred to I don't post very frequently.

    Also, I am not certain if I have one "big" issue or a couple little ones. Some have already been mentioned, like the lack of depth in the press conferences.. Another I have already mentioned, the apparent stuttering on my 6 month old laptop. I also have had a problem where the match will sometimes be displayed using the 2D representations of the players even though it is in 3D mode.

    Another has to do with the supposedly "rewritten" transfer system. Clubs still appear to submit multiple bids even though you've rejected them and the player is listed as not available for transfer. On the reverse side, when you submit a bid that is far in excess of the value of the player (say 4x for example) the club will reject it, but not say the player is unavailable for transfer. To go along with this, small clubs will not accept bids for their players that would be financially beneficial to the club, when clearly they either need the money or the bid is so exorbitant that they would be fools to reject it. Also, I have had my chairman accept bids that are below the value for a player and we are a big club without financial problems.

    There are other issues, but now is not the time to go through them all and none of them are game breaking. Besides, I am enjoying the game, as I have every version, so they aren't that big a deal.

    Thank you for your time and consideration.

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    I would like to be considered to test future patches and releases of Football Manager. I, like many other applicants, have been a long term fan of the series since the CM days and would love to have the opportunity to play a part in the game's future.

    In my current occupation I am a Compliance Adviser for a multi-national organisation. This role has taught me skills which I feel would be valuable in the testing process such as reviewing procedures and processes and feeding back findings in a structured, coherent and considered manner.

    My biggest issue with FM'09 is the apparent lack of correlation at times between a player's attributes and how that translates to the 3D match engine. This is also true of staff as AI managers pick up on and exploit minor flaws in tactical design even when they have a low tactics attribute and poor scouts available to them.

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    Hi Paul

    I would like to apply as a beta tester, although I haven’t posted alot in these forums I do read them everyday and would like to offer my time in order to make Football Manager even better and I would work hard to achieve this. Like most people I have been playing the series for a long time and I have a good understanding of the game. I have experience of testing software and games for other companies therefore I am able to identify bugs either by working as part of a team or individually and present them in a relevant manner and forward to the correct department/programmer.

    My biggest gripe of this version has been the graphical issues, for example on my computer I get black and white flashing in 3D view, as someone who likes to watch as many full matches as I can this has prevented it as none of patches have fixed the issue.

    Another gripe I have is in the match engine, specifically with one on ones, although I feel it is the most realistic match engine on the market this is an area that needs improving (I feel there are too many one on ones per match rather than the actual misses).

    Thank You
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    hey i would like to be a BETA tester for future versions because i have been beta testing FML for around 8 months and didnt treat it like a free game unlike others. i believe that i can help make the Game better and have a great passion for football manager (its like a religion lol) i really think that i can bring something to the BETA testing and make it a better game for everyone who plays it

    kind regards

    dave summers

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    I would like to be considered as I do software testing for SONY and have done for last 7 years. I have played FM/CM since they were first released and have enjoyed them all. I have only recently joined the forums but already love it. I feel i can contribute alot to this game.

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    I would like to be considered, as a feel I have a lot to contribute with. I were a part of your testing team for 08, and after a bit of "down-time" I'm now available for duty again ;) I've played the game since the first release, feel that I can contribute with constructive feedback, and would be very happy to be able to take part of future development.

    I don't have any big issues with this game, which actually is the first time for the latest releases. On the other hand there is quite a few minor ones, and I will post my thoughts on those later.

    Best regards

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    i would like to considered because i think i have good knowledge of football which i watch a lot so i think i know how the game could be improved Ive being playing football manager since cm4 so i think i know a lot about the game and where it could be made better and what could be done different in the patches to make the game better than it already is and i don't just watch football i watch how the teams line up the formation the way they play thanks

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    I'd like to become a beta tester for SI. lol

    we are unoffical football manager chinese localization team since CM4 ^_^ , and we having plenty of experience and foresight on areas the game could improve. Thanks for giving the chance to become beta testers.

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    Beta Group,

    I think some volunteer beta testing would be mutually rewarding. I'm an American footie fan, and FM fan since FM06. I'm not afraid to be critical, or supportive. I've a background in Computer Science. Though I don't have the millions of hours I used to have to dedicate to gaming, I do truly enjoy giving back to the games and communities that I've participated in.

    My biggest gripe so far with FM 2009 (though I've only had it a few days) is the conservative expansion of the franchise. I think FM could grow more creatively and less bureaucratically, style-wise. IE, discarding the less fun 'modules' and replacing the whole kit with a new take on things. I fear that the series will not keep up with the times because it hasn't become what it could. Though history seems to prove me wrong, I'll continue to wring my hands about it!
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    Dear SI

    I wish to be considered for a place on the Beta Testing group.

    I have bought the CM/FM games from the very early days when Kevin Toms and addictive games were involved on the ZX Spectrum through the Amiga days (with multi disc change), 1 divorce and two kids later i'm still hooked on the game. At 42 years old I would like to have a oppurtunity to help in any way I can to improve the product.

    Year on Year I have seen many changes over the years but you can always tell that it's Football Manager, I would be delighted to help in any area that could improve and tweak the game for future gamers, such as my Sons who are hooked on Football Manager too.

    I enjoy gaming and love my Football, the two go together so well.

    I have plenty of time to be a Beta Tester and it will be a taken seriously.

    Kind Regards

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    I would be willing to assist with testing of future versions.

    I have purchased versions of FM/CM regularly since 1994, and was somewhat concerned about the issues I encountered in the demo of FM 09. They are outlined at http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php?t=86600 in a constructive manner.

    I am particularly concerned about the in-game tactical suggestions being quite unintuitive and frustrating. I am not a huge follower of the real-life game and do not normally go in-depth with tactics, which I think would be representative of a substantial part of Football Manager's potential market. I think that the media section needs to feature either fewer questions open to various interpretations, or a greater range of responses rather than the limited "strongly agree" to "strongly disagee" options These sort of issues are quite likely to turn away prospective buyers - as they did for me - and I am quite anxious to see them rectified.

    I think that a 25+ season game, which I have spent hundreds of hours outlining in the FM Stories forum at http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php?t=36273 is a fair indication that I have a substantial interest and investment in the FM series - not to mention demonstrating that if given the opportunity, I will give the game a comprehensive run!
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    I would like to be a beta tester for SI because i believe i can contribute to making subsequent editions of football manager better than the already high standards set with the current editions. I feel that as someone who starts off the game in the lower leagues (with leeds united) i have a more in depth view on the nuances of lower league action and also how the game will play out in the long term (because i always play well on until i am able to win the premier league). Also being australian, i keep an eye out on how australian players are portrayed in the game and how they have changed from year to year.

    One of the biggest problems i think the current version of the game has is that on my laptop it chews through too much memory. My laptop has 1.5gb of ram and it is always at 90%+ memory use when running the game with no other programs running. Also little things like protracted board take overs resulting in me being locked out of the summer transfer window. While I have not been an active participant in forums, I read quite a lot of posts though. I have been playing CM/FM since 98/99 so I feel that I am quite the veteran now.

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    I'm absolutely thrilled to see PaulC making such a move and so promptly, before beginning development on FM10.

    I'm not in fact putting myself forward as a beta-tester since, although I was one before, I'm not in a position to know how much time I'll have to spare when the testers are needed.

    However, what I'd like to contribute is this thought: SI, please actively approach that small cohort of posters who have a record of outstanding analysis of problems and thoroughly thought-out realistic solutions. I'm sure many are onboard anyway, but there are others.

    Off the top of my head, as well as the tacticians such as wwfan who have already collaborated with you on TT&F, we have Amaroq who has many great ideas, especially in the field of human manager-AI interaction, Hawshiels and others who have found deep flaws in the training coding, and others whose names I forget who have found major issues after long-term testing of regen development.

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    I would like to put my name forward as I am interested in Beta testing for Sports Interactive. The reasons being that I play FM for the most part of my day everyday and I feel that because I play the game as much as I do, I will be able to make a huge contribution to Beta testing by probably finding bugs as well as contributing new and intuitive ideas. This might not be apparent from my posts as I have not been an active member of the forums for very long but I am a committed FM player who has been playing this game since 1995 and it would be an honor to contribute to the betterment of the game. One gripe I have with FM09 is the fact that we cannot cancel tactical changes or substitutions during the period between when the changes have been confirmed and they are actually made as at times I change my mind due to scoring or conceding a goal.
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    I would like to Beta test for you guys. I have been playing CM/FM for years (since 95/96 i think!) and think i know what to help in looking for. My biggest gripe with FM2009 so far is the tactics side of things, and by that i mean the sliders mainly. I just dont feel that to the amateur/beginner they are intuitive enough, and while i can understand them (just, through reading TT&F), some newer people that come to the series may/have struggled. There are far too many permutations with the current slider system so would like to aid in the development of this area and others for future FM's to come. After all, we all want a better FM year on year dont we?

    Thanks for your consideration.

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    Hi Paul, I am going to put my name forward for this as I have thought about this before http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php?t=52569 I think that I would be useful as I have great knowledge of the game over the years from back in the days of the Amiga, I have also seen the game grow over the years and I understand what SI are trying to do with the FM series, I also pay great attention to detail which is probably why it takes me ages to do 1 season as I play on the slowest speed and watch full match all the time I notice every detail of whats right and wrong and what can be improved.

    My biggest gripe with this years version are Press Conferences as they could be improved by giving better answers and also more precise questions.

    I would love to be a part of the team to help make this great game better for all of us.

    Also I play about 10+ hours a day.
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    I'll throw my hat in the ring too.

    I've been playing CM/FM for pretty much half my lifetime now (god that's worrying), and I actually worked with you guys at the Islington office a few years back, doing in house testing, which gave me a decent knowledge and insight into the "mechanics" of testing. I've also just acquired a new system based on the Core i7 processor, which isn't exactly in widespread circulation - and testing on as wide a range of hardware as possible is I'm sure a plus. I can also test on Mac OS X if required.

    As for my biggest issue... Until the patch the biggest problems I was having were generally related to the match engine - certain things just didn't "ring true" - goalkeepers ending up with lots of assists being one. *SINCE* 9.2.0, a lot of issues have been ironed out, but the game still doesn't feel as "snappy" as maybe it could - especially in relation to the UI responsiveness. Clicks don't register on occasion - particularly noticable when trying to pause the game, and sometimes the same happens in dropdown menus.

    Thanks for the consideration, and I'll keep my fingers crossed.

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    I'll put my name forward, but i'm not going to give any reasons why I would be a good candidate. SI supposedly check the forums out all the time so they should have a good idea of who would make a good tester and who wouldn't, just check peoples post history,

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    I will throw myself at this chance too.

    I would like to be given the opportunity to test the game. I have been playing FM for 3 years now.. and I would like to be part of the team that helps make it. I am ready and willing to help SI games in anyway I can in order to be given an opportunity. I have seen the progressive nature of the Football Manager series and would like to be able to pay back the SI games community because of the time and work they took to produce this game. I have a passion for football (games and the game itself) so I can be an asset towards your beta testing.

    If given the opportunity I will undoubtedly take the chance seriously and give it my all to ensure that FM2010 is made into a game that not only I will enjoy but the world as well.

    Thank you for your time.

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    I would like to be considered as a beta tester. I have played the game since CM01/02 so am familiar with the setup and evolution of the game. You will see on these forums I am neither fanboy nor ranting naysayer, but am willing to acknowledge the faults with the game whilst looking for solutions, and often finding them. For example, when the forums were erupting with anger over the 9.1 patch ("I had 127 effing shots on effing goal and the opposition had 1, and I effing lost 1-0") I acknowledged it was statistically unrealistic in terms of the amount of games in which this happened but also offered advice regarding the tempo of the game, which was the tactical issue 99% of the time.

    This latter point I believe will be particularly useful in testing. Although there may be an issue, with the ME for example, yes it needs fixing but an "unrealistic" workaround will a) help point the programmers in the right direction for a fix and b) help programmers to prioritise their workload, ie, a bug with a tactical workaround would be lower than a bug where half your squad is injured in pre-season.

    My biggest issue with FM09 was the injuries when it first came out. 9.1 fixed it a bit, but you had to set up new training regimes immediately to avoid the problem coming back. 9.2 seemed to fix it further and so far I've had no issues.

    The biggest issue not related to myself was of course activation, of which I had no problems personally. If I was new to this series I would not buy the game again had I encountered this issue, which I suppose is more of a commercial concern than a beta test.

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    i would like to put myself forward as a beta-tester.

    i also have played cm/fm since the very beginning. so i have seen the growth/evolution of fm throughout the years. I have previously beta tested fm live, and also apps for another game from LionHead Studios.

    my bugbear is the fact that i want to get my own stadia into game, maybe not a bug per say but its something ive wanted in fm for many years.

    i may be in my 40's but that surely makes me wiser and more dedicated.
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    I would love to, tested BETA for about 8 months I think and have every game from 1999 which is ok when I was 9 lol. I have a lot of time to devote to it.

    Obviously because I play the game every day, I want to make it as good s possible

    Press conferences could be more in depth and stadium expansion like in FML could be introduced. Another thing is that in real life, some players have an injury that is expected to be out for a month or so but something happens and it keeps getting put back because the player ain't quite ready. I would like to see that in FM for realism, maybe not a popular one but something a bit different

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    Although I have no previous experience of testing a game, I do play the game everyday and it's always on my computer so I would like to apply.

    Having played the game for many years I have seen the game develop into what it is today. I would love to see the press side of things improved into a more realistic part of the game, connecting more with the players and what is actually happening in the game.

    Anyway, if I can be of any help making the game better I am happy to help.

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    Hi,

    I would like to have the oppurtunity to become a beta tester for the FM series. I have been playing since CM2(97/98) so I have a good attention to detail when it comes to the games, I would be able to dedicate a lot of time to testing possibly 7 hrs a day.

    My one main issue with the game is the "one on one" bug which I think everyone is looking at the wrong way round, I think there are too many 1 v 1 chances being created as you may only get 1 or 2 of these per game in my opinion.

    I am 23 years old and I have been registered here for a good while now in terms of browsing the site but tend not to post too much as I feel there is a decent amount of knowledge about and I would only be reproducing some one elses post.

    I love Football Manager.

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    I would like to put myself foward also. I have played since 99/00, and have been a huge fan of every game. I love playing lower league managment all the way up to the Premier Divison, or simply starting with one of the world's greatest clubs and anywhere inbetween. I'm a frequent "viewer" of this forum and am posting more and more.

    I like to make the game as realistic as possible for myself (as a real life football fan) so that I am totally immersed in it when I play, and so the bugs are really quite unenjoyable in a what still regard as the best PC game out there. If I can do anything to make it better I will do.

    I'm also over 18 and beta-tested FM live!

    Jack.

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    Hi i'd like to throw my hat into the ring for the role as a tester. I have played the game in its various forms since FM05 and instantly fell in love with the game. Over the years i feel i have built up a good understanding of the game and what, in particular, makes the game 'tick'.

    As a geography undergraduate i feel i have been trained to look at things in a different light (somewhat more analytical) not only problem-spotting but also problem-solving. My education has also allowed me to communicate both in verbal and written form in a clear and concise manner. In my personal opinion this eye for detail is what is required for this role.

    My biggest issue with the current game would be player stats. I completely understand the difficulties involved with this however there seems a lack of consistency in regards to standards between teams-some are over-rated whilst others (of a similar standard in real life) are relatively under-rated this point could indeed be raised when talking about certain countries stats as well.

    I do believe however, that these issues can be fixed and i have no doubt that the team at SI will continue to produce the best football management game on the market and that, hopefully, i could play a small part in contributing to this enduring success.

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    I believe that I would be suitible for your position for beta testing your upcoming releases because I have experience in both the Football Manager series and product testing of games. Both of these attributes I believe are key to making a good beta tester. The first game I brought was CM01/02 and I fell in love with the series from there. I found that the game combined my love for RTS games and football. Down the years I've always been here on the forums to offer my opinion on the current game or my ideas for the next game.

    I also have previously beta tested your FML game for several months. In that time I offered feedback on the game within the forums and even became an organiser within the game. Moreover, a couple of years ago I also had the chance to test a MMORPG called Face of Mankind and because of this key experience I feel I would be ideal for your testing role.

    Finally, I am 18 and I currently work from home as a web designer so I have ample time to test.

    Kind Regards,
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    Along with the other users in this thread, I would be interested in becoming a Beta tester.

    Now, I have in the past been critical of Football Manager, and FM07 in particular raised many concerns for me - so much so that, after playing the FM08 patch, I didn't see improvements in the issues I had to warrant buying the game. However, I continued to play FM07, and ended up having a very successful and enjoyable long-term save that I still play now!

    Upon the release of FM09, I thought I would give things a go - and was pleasantly surprised. Some of the major issues I saw in FM07 and FM08 seemed to be fixed, and the game is much more fluid this year - I'm happy enough to believe that, unlike some previous releases, more attention has been spent on correcting existing flaws than on superficial new features. That's not to say that there aren't still some concerns from my point of view - but things are moving in the right direction.

    I'm a bit of a perfectionist, so I'm always more likely to pick up on small issues than some other would - but I'm also prepared to address them, and to give constructive criticism. When I first played CM back in 1994, the game had its issues - but it was much simpler back then, and you could easily brush over them by having Micky Hazard and Giggsy bombing down the wings! However, as the game has become more challenging, in-depth and demanding, the players have responded accordingly - and the ever-expanding userbase here are more than happy to say what they think is wrong (often without offering any possible solutions).

    As others have pointed out, one thing a lot of people want is for the game to play more like 'real life' - it does seem like the science of the game is taking over, particularly when it's heavily suggested that things like having the right distance between mentality sliders is all-important. The casual gamer is feeling more and more alienated, because it is getting harder and harder to play on instinct.

    I know of other users who are, or have been testers, and I can't see that I would offer any less than they have; it is frustrating at times when you have an issue and know that, if you were to raise it here, it would never be addressed properly due to the volume of irrelevant and nonsensical posts that offer nothing to the game's development.

    As someone who has been playing CM/FM for over 15 years, I am keen that I continue to enjoy it for many years to come. As an intelligent and articulate person, I am more than confident that my contribution to the testing process would be of benefit to both you as the developers, and me as a gamer.

    I hope to hear from you soon - good luck in the recruitment process!

    Best Wishes,

    Dan Baker

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    Hi, I would like to be considered for this testing role. My first Football Manager game was FM06 but I have also played a few of the older ones. I would estimate I have played over 200 seasons in various long term games, mostly in FM07 which I feel was the easiest to get into in terms of long term games. I am very interested in the finer details of football and I have recently spent time researching famous tactics such as Catenaccio and Metodo, and it gives me great interest when such a tactic works as it should in the game. I would like to think that I am fairly perceptive when it comes to spotting problems, and the scientific nature of my education helps me to notice small things that others may not have picked up on.

    My biggest "issue" with the game at the moment comes in the field of International management. I have been playing through Ter's San Marino challenge and despite improving the ranking of the national team to around the top 75, the game still seems to treat my ranking as it originally was. As an example, I am currently ranked 86th in the world, and yet in the UEFA Qualifying seedings the team is seeded 6th, below Kazakhstan who are currently ranked 207th. I am aware this is probably not the only thing that decides the rankings but I would imagine there is a reputation issue, as the game reports that I should be happy with a draw against 187th ranked Azerbaijan. I think that is probably not what the manager of a team ranked 100 places higher would think about this sort of result.

    Thanks,

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    Hi there,

    I am posting here on the behalf of myself and the rest of the Football Manager Community.
    I see this as a great opportunity to get new ideas across but also to improve the vast amounts of features the game already has to offer.

    I'm not going to mention how many past versions of the game I have played as i feel that it is not about the past in this industry, it is about the future thus this the reason I feel that I will be able to be a beta tester as I have an eye for the future of this series.

    My biggest gripe with this game would be the lack of questions in the Press Conferences, this is a great new feature and with expansion the game will become even more realistic and take us one step closer to real life managing and truly make it 'The Greatest Job On Earth'.

    So to finalise my application I wish everyone luck and hope that the best Beta tester's are picked because it will make the game better for myself and the FM community.

    Thanks,

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    I hope that I tick all the boxes necessary to be accepted. I shall be brief because you probably know if I'm the man for you already.

    I've played every version of the game from the Domark days to now and so am able to spot both small refinements and wholesale changes in approach to certain aspects of the game.

    Having been previously successful in the beta test application in addition to the volumnous bug reports I have provided for the last two releases I hope my body of work stands up as being capable of not only identifying bugs, but reporting them in a clear and concise manner.

    As is patently obvious from my posting history I will not use this opportunity to just be sycophantic or gleeful that I am ahead of the game, rather use my exacting standards to assist you in making the product the best it can be, without compromise.

    My biggest issue is probably the speed of the game. However the area I am most interested in, the one that I devote most time to is the media. Wording, frequency and influence upon the players are all elements I feel need improvement.

    Finally, because I'm unemployable for mental health reasons, which I accept could count against me, I have hours every day available to devote to the task.
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    Well, I'll definately want to appoint for this one.

    I've written several posts in these forums in the past regarding different possible suggestions/improvements for the game that you can check, and I think I have a good understanding of how the game works and what it should be like (been playing since CM03-04). Although not my 'usual' job (I'm finishing my telecommunications degree), I'm an experienced programmer and I can usually understand why bugs may be happening when I find them (i.e.: not only seeing the bug, but also part of the possible cause behind it), which I believe is an important thing for a beta tester.

    Also, I speak both Spanish and English fluently (I'm Spanish), so I could help in pointing out any translation errors in the Spanish language, just as I've done for the 9.2 patch (some things from the tactics screen where changed from 9.1 to 9.2 after my feedback in the translation bugs forum ). I'm also currently working on the translation of the TT&F'09 guide to Spanish, that you can check out here (about half-way through it, I'll carry on again after Christmas ).

    For me, the main gripe about FM09 is, on one hand, the 'little' bugs in the ME (ridiculous amount of shots hitting the posts, for example), and on the other the insane slowness that I suffer with a new and fast computer when advancing between turns... I'm a really patient person, but this is about x5 slower than FM08 in this same machine with the same exact settings... awful. There are other things, like the need for a more intuitive and easy-going tactical interface, but those are not bugs, but rather long-term suggestions that have been properly explained in their corresponding long threads. But if we talk about expanding the game, the media would be one area that I'd be able give ideas about and point out errors. Also, the 'dynamics' of the player market is something I'm very interested in. This means the chances of player X moving to team Y, the amounts that would realistically be paid for those players, different clauses that exist in real life and could be added, etc., all to make the signings more realistic. Along with that, there are things about the rules of the Spanish league that need to be improved, and that I believe I would be able to help with as well.

    If it's of any importance, I was already picked to beta-test a previous FM version, the one with the famous "leak" that basically messed everything up. But, in that occasion, I wasn't able to help much, mainly because my old PC suffered a complete collapse the same month of the beta release... so before I could even get my hands on it, beta was pretty much over due to the leak and I couldn't give any feedback. However, I have a new, fast and stable computer now

    All in all, I believe I'm a very good observer and also a good and clear communicator, which you can also see if you read any of my previous posts. I'm the 'perfectionist' kind, always paying attention to the little things here and there. Even though I don't design skins, I'm the kind of guy that gets ****ed off by the fact that those two lines of text in the UI are not properly aligned, up to the point of opening up the .xml files and editing what's needed to make things look as they should. Just the same way that I can't take typos in in-game texts. I usually get very annoyed when I see bugs in the game that I believe to be really really obvious, and I find myself wondering how could a beta tester let that one pass unnoticed when I already can't stand it after playing the game for 5 minutes. I end up telling to myself that they must be really busy and that it's probably harder than it seems to find all that stuff. But yeah, I've always thought that if I was there to help, I could definately be of some use and there are determined bugs that wouldn't make it to the final game.

    And yes, I'm over 18 (23 years old) and, except the periods where I'm heavily loaded with exams at university, I usually have plenty of time to play the game.

    So that's all. Good luck with the selection proccess, and I hope that you find what you're looking for, regardless of me being in that group or not ;)

    Cheers.

    P.S.: I forgot to add that I tend to play lower league games (Spanish Segunda B precisely), so I could be helpful if you need more people to test such a 'minoritary' area, as most people tend to play up the league with the stronger teams and many bugs go unnoticed because of that. In higher divisions, there's so much going on at the same time that you sometimes miss important stuff that would jump into your face while managing a team in lower leagues. All the small things become much more important.
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    Firstly - this is a great idea - people can put their money where their mouths were on the release dates!

    Secondly I would jump at the opportunity to Beta test FM games and patches - trying to find fault (and positives) with a game as indepth as FM would be an enjoyable challenge and one that is vital to the continued success of the series.

    I've played these games since CM2 and even have a CM1 XP version on my desktop so have grown up with the developments - some forward and some backwards - over the last 15 years. I'm now 29 with a professional career in enforcement (not police!) so I am used to pressure, analysis and working things out so believe I would offer a different approach to my testing and communication of findings.

    My biggest concern is that the series is moving away from what got us all hooked in the first place - the fun of football, the fun of winning a league on the last day of the season after one of your u-18s comes on to score the winner.

    The future of the series depends on appealing to two types of player - those with a 15 minute slot to boot it up and knock out a couple of games and those with hours to spend cross referencing the views of a little known Mexican scout against their mate Dave's from the Dog & Duck.

    I would ensure that I test the gameplay as well as the technical issues - if the game isn't enjoyable then it doesn't matter that there are zero bugs or a million.

    I've long thought that there needs to be more player control to allow them to set the ingame options depending on either how they play it (the fun of the games vs. the fun of building sides and statistics) or the length of time they have available to play it.

    I know I am not a huge poster - that is more down to the fractured nature of the forum rather than anything else - but am a mature and responsible poster (and ex-mod) on the one other forum of which I am a member (www.arsenal-land.co.uk).

    Thank you for considering my application and good luck to whomever gets the roles on offer.

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    I'd like to be considered. I've got experience of testing CM itself many moons ago along with lots of general systems and program testing. I believe I am very objective about the differences between bugs, quirks and suchlike and am very methodical in my approach to testing.

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    I would love to become a beta tester for Football Manager and I will use the following criticism I wrote after the 2009 demo was released. I sent it via PM to a member of the SI team but received no reply. This is the kind of in-depth constructive criticism I can keep producing and also shows my ability to come up with new ideas. This was written for 9.0.0 and a couple of the issues have been ironed out.

    Ever since Football Manager 2006, I’ve felt that the new version of the game was nothing more than an updated player database with a few things added on here and there which didn’t really make a colossal difference to the way the game is played. There was the scout system added 1 year, but again, that didn’t really make a huge impact to the way the game was played, at least from my perspective.

    It’s great that SI wanted to add a big feature to FM09, but I just feel that they’ve gone down completely the wrong path in adding a 3D match engine. Something like LMA 2000 on the Playstation was brilliant with the 3D highlights and Alan Hansen & Gary Lineker voice-over and I would have been much more accepting and appreciative of a similar system, where you have the choice of watching the highlights, and I almost always would, because every goal was different, loads of different comments came from the voice-over and it was a well put together feature.

    That was new at the time. It hadn’t been done before, but 8 years down the line FM09 has the feature and it falls way below par, way below the standard it should be. I won’t go into the problems because you’ve all seen the forums posts.

    The 3D match engine defines what FM09 is, so if you take that away, like so many forum members have had to do because their graphics cards aren’t good enough, what is there to grab the player into buying the game?

    Granted, there are a few nice touches. However, after having played the demo for 12 hours or so, the only big one I can actually remember after not having played it for a couple of hours is the Press Conference add-on, which actually becomes seriously tedious after 3 or 4 times. There are nice things like messages about the history of the club, added fields into the information about the club, etc, but they’re basically just Wikipedia pages put into the game. Retiring shirt numbers is a nice idea, but how often will such a thing actually be used? Arsenal have only ever retired 1 shirt number in their entire history – over 110 years – so unless the game player wants to have a squad full of players numbered 15 and upwards within 20 seasons or so, it’s really a nice but useless feature.

    There is nothing substantially new about FM2009 other than the 3D engine, rendered almost useless by its high-spec demand. The new transfer system interested people, but nothing there has really changed. I didn’t notice anything wrong with the FM08 system in terms of selling players, except for the endless offers with low upfront payments and full of clauses, but many others had problems with it. However, the amount of money needed to buy some players was nothing short of farcical. £20m for a player valued at £1m? It just doesn’t happen.

    But even with the ‘new’ system in FM09, you get the exact same things happening, minus the offers with low upfront payments and full of clauses. £29m for a player worth £5m? It’s just silly. I understand that it’s a really different thing to perfect, a good and realistic transfer system, but it’s something that has to be done to continue this game series. LMA 2008 was too obvious – bid double the players’ valuation and you get your offer accepted, but in some ways, I appreciate that more than paying 6 times a players’ value. Ok, in most cases in favours the player over the computer, but at least you know where you stood. For example, £10m is much more realistic for a player like Kuzmanovic. Look at Robinho. Worth roughly £16m in FM 2008 – moved to Man City for £32m. And both of Shawn Wright-Phillips moves have been for roughly double what he’s worth. It’s a far more reliable system.

    Transfer rumours are a nice thing to have, but I’d like to see them come up as a message every week. It’s quite hard to access them where they are and as such, I don’t think many players will bother looking.

    I find the player database a bit silly as well. It was great at first – you could search for every player in the entire world, look at stats, value, etc. It was all instant. But people like me who have been playing the series for a long time find it very easy I think. It’s far too easy to find summer targets. It’s usually a simple filtered search, taking into account the position, your budget, age and you’re there. Other management games like Premier Manager and FIFA Manager make you scout your targets before you can see stats, preferred positions, etc. It’s a much, much more realistic system. Managers can’t just search a database in real life and automatically see stats. It takes time, effort and scouts to find out about the player. But at the same time, I wouldn’t want to ruin it for other players who like to have all the stats already there in a database, so perhaps you could offer people a choice of having a hidden database or not at the start. If people want to look at the database and then start a hidden database game, so be it, but I think many players would appreciate the challenge of having to scout maybe as many as 10 players to find the ideal player for their squad. I certainly would.

    Perhaps also there could be set challenges already in the game. We see them all over the forums already; Start unemployed and see how long it takes you to win the Champions League, take over a team lying bottom of the Premiership in January with just a £3m budget and try and save them, take over Man Utd in April before the Champions League semis and in amongst a tight title race with Cristiano Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez all injured and see if you can win anything, etc, and then add an online feature to upload your final score.

    Maybe with Press Conferences you could have a maximum of 20 opportunities in the season to have your Assistant Manager do them for you. Force the player to do them and have more depth in answers and questions. Obviously I’ve just played a demo so I don’t know how much the press conferences affect your board’s confidence in you, but storming out of conferences could perhaps make your job unstable. Maybe in unique or really high pressure situations, rather than just answering a question, you could give a really motivational speech or something, a la Mike Bassett in the film when he recites Rudyard Kipling’s poem ‘If’ before a World Cup game. Make them more interesting, because I did just 4 conferences before I got really bored of them.

    Make the G14, UEFA, FA and FIFA play a bigger part in the game. For example, the managers of the G14 clubs could come together and propose a European Super League, taking 2, 3 or 4 clubs from the major 6 leagues. Ok, maybe that’s completely unrealistic in terms of coding it, as there are just so many clubs in the game and it’d difficult with the teams that don’t make it into the Super League, but it’s a suggestion none-the-less.

    Have more freedom of speech. We should be allowed to criticise referees over their performance in a game, not just over penalty decisions. Give us the ability to do something with the money we earn as a manager. Reach £100,000 and you can choose your club’s sponsorship deal. Reach £500,000 and you can become an International Manager as well. Reach £1 million and you can choose a language course to go on to help with the integration of players. Reach £5 million and you can name your club’s next stadium. Reach £10 million and you can design your club’s next kit. Reach £20 million and you can become a Chairman. Give us something else to aim for other than trophies. All Manager games make us aim at purely trophies, so give us that extra dimension and goal.

    Have the ability to send your players on language courses, have deeper player interaction – particularly with ‘quirky’ players like Gallas, Berbatov, Cassano, Ronaldo, etc. Be able to issue them ultimatums, motivate them, etc. Also when I declare interest in a player at a smaller club, it doesn’t really make a big difference. Micah Richards has Arsenal as a favoured club, yet if I say I’ll do my upmost to sign him and I rate him really highly, all it does it unsettle him for a week or so. You never get transfer requests coming out of those kind of comments.

    Why not let us try and tap up players? Arrange secret meetings and then perhaps that player will inform his club who’ll then inform UEFA. UEFA can take action against the club and the manager. Have agents making more impact. Make us pay agents’ fees taking money out of the transfer budget. Have ‘Come and Get Me’ pleas as well, and then if that player issues a come and get me plea, have the opportunity to try and convince him to stay. Give players a confidence meter in their profile. You can’t see how much confidence a player is playing with and that annoys me. If a player has a dual-nationality and is uncapped, have the national managers talk to them to let them know how big a part they’ll play in the country’s team. Convince them to choose Italy over Spain, Argentina over France, etc. Maybe include player deaths. Maybe it’s a very sensitive subject, but it’s a part of the real life game.

    You need to make this game feel new again, because like I said, the last few years have basically felt like database updates. I’m obviously more than willing to help and maybe come up with more ideas. I’ll see what I can think of. Thanks for reading and good luck with the first patch.

    Thanks, Jack

    p.s. A really tiny thing that I would absolutely love in the patch. When selecting the value of your bid/sale price, it goes £5m, £7.5m, £10m, £20m, £30, etc. Would it be possible to get £15m and £25m in there as well? Would be very helpful.

    I've also been a huge contributor on the Arsenal thread in the Good Player section.

    Thank you very much for your consideration and good luck to all those successful.

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    I would like to confirm my application for the role of beta tester for any future patches/releases of FM.

    I have been playing FM and previously CM since the days of CM2, therefore i have over 10 years of CM/FM playing experience and i feel i am in a good position to notice when problems are present in the game.

    My biggest gripe with FM09 is simply the amount of major flaws that were present on release of the game. I feel that a lot of issues could and should have been spotted prior to release and i also believe that some of the issues could be spotted after playing on the game for a very short period of time which makes me wonder about the current testing process. As each version of FM that is released seems to need at least 2 or 3 patches each year, i think i could contribute in minimizing the amount of patches required for future releases.

    My nature as a perfectionist makes me an ideal candidate for a tester as i cannot be happy with something until i feel it is as good as it can be.

    Thank you for taking the time to read my application.


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    I'd definately like to throw my hat in the ring.

    As one of those 'LLM' types I do spend a great deal of time dissecting the game, trying to find out what works & what aspect of the game isn't worth my time or trouble.

    The way I play the game would definately help in picking up on the finer details that often get overlooked or thought of as unimportant, add the fact that I work in a field that requires an eye for detail & a need to think about the potential outcomes/consequences of any decision or action taken I would like to think I can transfer these skills to testing & fine tuning a product that has been part of my gaming life for nearly 15 years.

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    Default My application, for your consideration

    I would like to apply for the above role as beta-tester for Sports Interactive. It goes without saying that my interest in this game is very high, but I am also very keen to find out more about how the software works, and even more keen to contribute to its continued success. I feel beta testing any future releases from SI will be an enjoyable challenge for me, and I feel it would suit me perfectly.

    I would be very useful to the team due to my attention to detail, and my interest in the field. I work in IT support for a customer who also requires a high degree of security (this can be discussed in more depth elsewhere if need be), and as such I have a broad knowledge of computer systems. In addition I am currently testing a new piece of software for the customer on top of my usual roles and responsibilities which seems to have uncovered an interest and a talent in the area. I am therefore familiar with the stages of development which new software goes through, and the factors which must be taken into account in testing it. One of my skills which has helped me in my experience, is my ability to communicate information accurately, such as situations where any problems arise, and the nature of the problems themselves.

    I studied my honours degree in Sport and Exercise Science, giving me an indepth understanding of sport and how the body and mind works during physical activity. My communication skills are also important to me, and I feel they too would help to make me an asset to the testing team.

    My main problem with the original release of the current game (including first "release date" patch) was the playability: even ignoring the software/hardware discrepancies, I feel many problems were missed in testing which made the game seem a far less superior product than it really was. Post-patch however I feel the main weakness is the lack of variation in media and player interaction, for example: there are more options when interacting with another manager between games, than there are for interacting with your own players during team talks. I also feel the training side of the game is beginning to look dated, and is far from a realistic representation of the way a football team is trained. Finally, I would like to mention an issue I have with player attributes and how these are perceived by managers. I feel there are discrepancies with how much we should know about the players (our own, and others), and how much a real manager would know. An ideal example is the area of mental attributes and personality, should these gradually become more and more visible to us the more we get to know a player?

    I hope you will consider this application and please do not hesitate to contact me with regards this role or any other way in which I can help.
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    i would like to become a beta tester for si.

    first off im 25 years old.
    i know my post count is'nt very high but im here since 2004 but never registered. i know shame on me.
    so im playing this game since 2004 and love it to death and i play it with a passion.i would love to become a beta tester cause i want to be a part of the game and i want help to make it better.i've done this before for 2 different games as well, dunno if i can name them here but it was fun to test them and help to find some annyoing bugs.

    my biggest issue with fm09 is the 3d engine and i still dont know why cause i have a nvidia 9800 gt and i can play the newest ego shooters on high detail without any stutters, lags etc.

    i hope ill get a positive answer from you.

    thank you for your time.

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    Default Re: My application, for your consideration

    I too wish to participate as Beta-tester.

    I can write about how much I like the football-world in all of its aspects and how much I love the game; but I won't do that because everyone on the forum has that same passion.
    I've followed Football Manager since 97/98 when a friend of mine got the game and I haven't missed a single game since... considering I'm a student (so my only income is from birthdays and some holidays), I can say that my money is always set aside so I'm able to buy the next FM game. I followed SI from CM to FM because I knew it was their expertise and huge database that made the game so great.

    Well, I know this isn't much of an application... I'm sure that many others are better qualified because of their job, age, or whatever. I'm just a simple Belgian (and there are a lot of simple Belgians) who absolutely loves this game and can only give it a rest when I've played at least 30 seasons... before starting another game with another (lowranked) team of course!
    The only things I can imaging that I can give as an extra is that since I live in Belgium, England is only a Eurostar away. Also, because of the country I live in, I think getting a beta-tester from a European country but in a "lesser" league (a league which has always been included in the game), is definitly a positive thing. I'm always trying to get things perfect, I'm not pleased with an adequate or good result: I always strife for perfection and will put a lot of energy in reaching this goal. I feel that this mentality would be beneficial for a beta-tester.
    Yeah, I've not been on the forums for a long time. I never felt the need to participate much in this... I never saw the use of downloading trainings, shortlists, ... others made. The fun is in figuring it out yourself!

    What I didn't like about FM09? Well, one of the new and improved features were the conferences where reporters would ask you questions about all sorts of things, right? Unfortunatly, I'm now one among many who just send their assistant manager to attend these meetings as the questions and answers are repetative. I once suggested, though, that the "additional comment" line could be used to improve this: with an active internet connection players can fill in their lines and send the answer to SI who then can use them to give more colour to the pressconferences.

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    I would like to be a part of the beat testing for FM. I have long been a fan of this series since the CM days. I was also part of the open beta last year before it was sadly compromised. One reason I think I could be of benefit is that I am in the US where football is not as popular as in the European side. For that reason, I think I can see different sides of all features within the game. I have been involved in beta tests for several other games as well although there were in different genres.

    My post count is low for the time I have been on the boards but I try to be of help when I do post. I have a solid understanding of the PC platform both with hardware and software. Many, many years of gaming as well.

    The CM series is what started my interest in Football and I am continually gaining more knowledge because of this series. Because of this, I would appreciate the chance to give back to a fine series as a way to say thanks for my learning and the enjoyment of European football

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    I wish to apply for a position as a beta tester.

    First, a little bit about me. I am 18, living in england and currently in my final year of college. One of my main strengths has always been the ability to communicate well, both written and verbally, and that I am perfectly happy repeating something over and over again until I get the desired result.
    I have not been a follower of the CM/FM games for that long, I started back on CM4, however it has been the only series that has kept me coming back for more year after year.
    The one thing that has always frustrated me about the series however are the small bugs and data errors always seem to be present. In the past I attempted to solve a number of these myself (well, the data errors atleast) and can remember spending weeks on end editing the CM4 database to get everything correct.
    With FM2009 I feel the series has taken a huge step forwards but there are still a number of problems that exist within the game. The main one of these, in my opinion, is the match engine. On the whole it works well however there are still fairly serious errors that exist, mainly surrounding player positioning and their actions when the ball is near, things such as defenders running for the ball and then suddenly stopping 5 yards from it. Media interaction also seems a bit too lacklustre at the moment, the main problem being when there are no suitable answers to a media question or when the answers available simply do not make sense. There are a number of other small bugs or inadequacies that exist within the game which I will not write about here due to the sheer number that I believe exist.
    The only major problem I feel that exists with the current game are the problems with hardware. So many people are having a problem with the game running too slowly, random slowdowns and a juddery match engine. I run a small company building custom PCs and as such have a lot of different hardware combinations being built in my house, it would be very simple for me to test the game on these PCs before I ship them out allowing the game to be tested on a wide number of hardware combinations and could potentially show if there is a problematic graphics card or processor type that is causing the game to run slowly.
    I am not going to do what a number of other people have done and list a lot of new things that should be implemented into the game as that is not what the position that is on offer requires. There are not going to be a lot of new features introduced with a patch and as such I don't believe that there is any point stating a lot of new features that should be introduced.

    Thank you for considering my application.

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    I would like to volunteer for beta-testing. I am 17 years old. I have been a new fan of football, since 2005 when the team support, Toronto FC of MLS, was founded. I got hooked on the FM07 demo, and bought FM08 and WWSM09. My love for football has grown since I became actively involved in the SI Forums, specifically in the Challenges, Signups, and Experiments forum, where I was nominated in the 2008 CSE awards as a candidate for the 'User of the Future'. I am still an active contributor of that specific forum, and in addition to the challenge as seen through my location, I also have a big FM project which combines all three aspects of the forum into one, titled 'FM09 A New World', a co-op CSE I am doing with roberto922, which will commence in the next few days.

    The main issue I have got about FM09 is the playability of MLS. As SI have made a game specifically tailored for the North American market in the form of WWSM, I think there are some outstanding issues leftover from FM08 that needs to be resolved. Highly skilled players or high potential players are still being released. Teams still pick up players from waivers and then immediately waive them. This issues need to be resolved as this has made the MLS unplayable. Although the only drawback maybe that I'm Canadian, and live in a different timezone from everyone else, fixing these issues with MLS can attract more sales. Canada and the US have great support for soccer, Toronto FC have sold out every game since they started playing (and I'm still on the waiting list for season tickets!!!). I have even seen ads on Football Manager at mlsnet.com, the official site of Major League Soccer, so I'm sure you are trying your very best to crack into the North American market. There are many soccer fans here and I'm sure they would love this game if it was more playable.

    Thank you SI for creating a great game and for giving me the opportunity through this application to be considered.

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    I would like to be put faward if at all possible. I have played all FM games from the original Champ Man right through to 2008 and now 09 as well as FM Live and various other management games.
    I would like to get feedback into you guys well before the games released as opposed to having issues on release and having to get my 10cents worth in then.
    Sick of hearing that you/other devs on other titles had no feedback on some big issues like on FML for instance during the beta testing then everyone whom joined the full version highlighted pretty big issues that were not picked up on or reported on.
    Seems that some people get on these betas just to boast they are on and to play early version of the game rather than ever give any feedback on any issues when realy they have a unique oppertunity to do so.
    They soon complain when its the full game they paid for is full of bugs :/

    I have no major issue with Fm09 only some minor issues I have had when my 3d match engine would not work and when my key would not work but this seems to have rectified itself since updating everything on my p.c.
    Other game related issues i had were rectified with the latest patch, if i come accross any issues i will keep you updated of coarse : )
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    Default Re: Become a beta tester for SI

    I would like to apply, will keep this short and sweet.

    - I have played nearly every CM since 96/97 bar a couple.
    - I support Derby County
    - I have contributed many times to the bugs forum to report issues, upload saves and contribute my own personal experiance/opinion.
    - I am 22, not long out of uni which a significant chunk of my education coming from FM/CM ;)

    My main priority for accuracy is the match engine, whilst it will never truly represent football I look to pick up on the fundemental flaws that if improved would make a big difference. Defenders being the current one.

    Having said that, I've probably reported more bugs in other areas like contracts, transfers, board interaction, that kind of thing. I can spot the simple logic bugs fairly quickly.

    I tend to start unemployed too, so see the lower levels of the game more frequently than most.

    I look forward to hearing from you

    Chris

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    Well SI I would like to put my name down I’m quite controversial and if things are wrong there is no doubt I will tell you. My cm/fm days started with Kellogg’s cornflake box were I cut out 11 players and made stands out of cardboard I then rolled a dice and depending on the number the player did accordingly. My first game on FM was 2001 when I bought my first laptop since then I haven’t looked back. I don’t do what most do I play 2 different solo games as well as a online game. I play my first solo game as real-time as possible playing every game on full. The second solo game is just research to see how and why goals are scored to better understand the game play on fm.
    I would love the chance to join the team as like both the understanding of the match engine and how the data is conceived into playing objectives

    All the best

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    Hi,

    I'd be very interested in helping out with Beta Testing for you, I have been involved in the FML and I have done Beta Testing for other companies in the recent past (AOL and Microsoft mainly)

    I have been a player of CM/FM from the first game and I hope that I have helped out on here in the past when posting about possible bugs in the game.

    I honestly think I can help out alot , I'm not someone who will see something I think is wrong and instantly report it, I understand that sometimes things need more thought.

    I spend most of my spare time playing your games and have done since the first version and I am sure I can be a benefit to you.


    Thanks

    Neil

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    Hello

    Like many I would also like to apply.

    Also like many I have played every version of CM/FM since the very first incarnation. I have previously been a public beta tester on FML and FM07 and was a beta tester on Title Bout Championship Boxing, a strategic boxing sim. I am also the first reserve to be the Everton researcher (at least that's what Dean Gripton has told me!!).

    My biggest gripe with FM09 is the team talks; they are too limited and not detailed or varied enough and have been like this for the last two years. That said I do feel FM09 to be the best version of FM yet.

    I spend most of my leisure time playing, thinking about or reading about FM and feel I have much to offer should I be accepted.

    Thanks for the opportunity

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    Time to throw my hat in to the ring and the best place to start is why I think I should be considered.

    Firstly I have, as many others, played FM since its early days beginning with CM on the Amiga, boy am I thankful that the days of seperate disks and versions if I wanted to manage in Italy. I have also been a part of the beta testers for FML and think my experience there along with experience beta testing for Sony for the online aspect for the PS2 which gives me an understanding of the type of feedback and dedication need to properly test commerical games & systems. I also have access to Intel based Macs (iMac and Macbook) and a Vista based laptop giving me a chance and ability to test FM over different key platforms for the game.

    My main gripe with FM09 is the ambiguity of the training system. I place a key emphasis when I play FM on bringing through youth players as well as improving the skills of those in my first team. The current system is ambiguous and too general to really feel that what I change on the sliders has any impact at all to the players. Furthermore its generality and ambiguity means most casual players, possibly even some hardcore players, overlook this intrinsic part of being a football manager.

    Thank you in advance for the opportunity.

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    I would rather like to apply to be a beta tester. I have played every CM/FM since 97/98 and hence know the product extremely well and would like to give any help I can on the development of the game.

    My biggest gripe with the game is the tactics module. The overblown slider system makes it almost impossible for casual gamers to pick up and play with any sort of success. I believe myself to have a good understanding of football and put hours upon ours into the game yet still at times feel lost with tactics in the game. Something which has been discussed before and I feel could have promise is a PPM style system, where you can tell you winger to 'hug touchline' or 'try cutting inside' for example, which is more true to life with regards to how football managers actually work. I don't think Sir Alex Ferguson tells his team 'today I would like you to play with width, on a scale of 1-20, of 12'.

    That is obviously something that would be a huge development in FM. On a smaller scale there are many small gripes I have with the game. One is that the game runs very slowly on my machine during matchdays (I use 2D so it isn't down to 3D), a machine which should run the game comfortably. Hopefully as a beta tester I could help with the hardware issues that many players are having that cause the game to run slowly for some reason or other.

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    I would like to be consdered for Football manager beta testing as i helped beta test Football Manager live for over a year but have always played CHampionship manager and now Football manager since it started and help out where i can in different parts of the forum about any issues or problems people are having with the game and would love to help out beta testing any future patches or releases to do with FM as i think it`s only right the inpt and help when you make them should come from as many people who play the games as possible was it them who play the games then critisise and slg off all at SI if there are bugs and other problems with the games or patches.

    My biggest concern with FM09 is the team talk are too limited and you can get asked the same question more than once which is the most annoying thing about them
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    My brother and I both play Football Manager religiously and as a result have to share the one computer FM09 works on. I feel I could give detailed feedback on any aspects of the game you were planning on changing.

    The biggest bugbear for me in FM09 is the unrealistic expectations of very young players by the fans and the board. I'm a Wengeresque manager buying young potential and having my job become less stable because of the signing of a player who I play irregularly is unfair in my eyes. It hurts the most when they describe my signing as an aberration, hurts right in the heart.

    I play on a mac, so I would be able to give more help towards the mac side.

    Thanks

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    I would like to be considered for Beta testing as i have helped alot of people this year to get there FM 09 working on there computers.
    For more info about myself please ask.

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    I would like to be considered for testing the game, as I feel I know what to look for in the case of bugs, crashes etc, due to the fact I program my own games and help beta test all of the games released on my site, going through a strict process to do so. I have also been a fan of championship/football manager since Blackburn won the league *yup, a long time ago!* and still play it for many hours a day. One of the main problems I have with Football Manager 2009 is the media system, as it is very repetitive, especially when you get asked every match whether a drop in morale could be around the corner etc.

    Edit: I also beta tester FML
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    As a beta-tester for more then just FML I have been participating in several closed beta-testing.
    Due to this and the determination I have, I believe I'm up for the job in making Football Manager releases a more stable, enjoyable product.

    I have been playing the FM Series for a couple of years now and still feel like the gab between players and their manager is way too big.
    I would like to see more depth and occasions in which me as manager can interact with my players, which then will be reflected in media as well as on the pitch.

    I will start my sucking-up actions ONLY after being accepted ;)

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    Default Re: Become a beta tester for SI

    I would like to be considered to play a part in beta testing for the FM series. I feel I am qualified due to the fact that through excessive (and i mean excessive...... i have lost jobs and relationships have suffered down to my addiction for this game) playing of this edition and in fact since the start of the championship manager series......

    If i cast my mind back i can remember not ever being able to buy any of the so called "big name foreigners"....... in them days it was always Didier Deschamps, Gazza and David Platt in their Italian days....... obviously i discovered a young lad by the name of Nii Lamptey which then spurred me onto looking into youth stars.

    What I am trying to put across is that I have been a fan since the beginning and would love an oppurtunity to contribute.

    Errrrr....... dont really have a gripe as such other than agreeing with the media overhaul, far to repetative!!!

    As with previous versions of the game in a couple of months time everybody will be enjoying it and will not be so bothered about the little problems which seem so big now.

    Thanks

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    Default Re: Become a beta tester for SI

    I'd also like to be considered as a possible Beta Tester for future FM patches and games.

    I have played the FM and CM series pretty much forever and that's not much of an exaggeration. I may be young but my family got a PC way back in the day when they weren't common household objects so I have had a lot of time to play!

    I don't really have a big overall problem with FM09 and I don't think the problems I have with it make it any less enjoyable, just when they crop up I groan and sigh and think, why now?, why this game?

    One of my problems is the Transfer Centre which seems to have messed up on mine and transfers that never went through for whatever reason remain sometimes, one such transfer was from the about March 2009 and is still there in October 2013.

    There's a few other little things but I reckon these are just FM showing the little cracks that exist when such a big project is undertaken. The little problems that arise because FM is loved too much in my opinion, you wouldn't care if it was other games!

    FM takes up a lot of my time in terms of game-play and with a few friends taht are addicts themselves it is in coversations often, especially in Maths with possibly the next biggest addict next to me!

    I would like to be a Beta tester because I want the best for FM because I know that I will be playing it forever more and if it can be improved then I will enjoy it more and in knowing that others will enjoy it more my work will be worth it.

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    Default Re: Become a beta tester for SI

    Similarly to everyone who is on this thread I have been playing the game for years too. (Since CM2). I guess the bigger issues that I have found in FM09 include the levels of detail in training as you never really feel in control of player development, its more luck that these players progress and also the contact with other clubs and managers. The press conferences are a great idea, but need much more detail to really add positively to the experience.

    I have been involved in beta testing for FM Live and enjoyed the experience, and feel I could contribute a few things to the testing of future releases.

    I have also been heavily involved in The Bootroom (fanzine), for which I have been designer and writer. So I feel I can offer a more critical view on the features and workings within the game.

    (Also, if it helps - I went to school with Dave Kempshall!!)

    Happy New Year!

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    Smile Re: Become a beta tester for SI

    Hello,

    I would like to be considered as part of the Beta testing team. So here is my "CV" is:

    -playing this "simulation of real world" from CM 97/98 :=
    -I'm preety good football player, tacticly well suited.
    -I'm watching 95% of Milan games during seasons (including friendlies)
    -I have attender numerous of soccer academy in Croatia (guest was Slaven Bilic, Davor Suker and Robert Prosinecki)
    -My profession is Software engenieer (web development plus Autodesk third party developing)
    -I have written over 100.000 lines of HTML/JavaScript/C++/C# code in past three years
    -I'm enjoing working with database's
    -I'm allways online
    -My hobby is Triathlon (running is my strongest sport, so my stamina is 21 )
    -I'm 25
    -I'm from Croatia

    ProZone has some good stuff and basicly FM engine could generate some interesting post match reports

    As software developer/engenieer I'm aware that good feedback is crucial. I'm capable of writing good and constructive bug reports.

    And that's it. Hope to become member of your testing team, looking forward to it.

    Forza Milan!

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    Default Re: Become a beta tester for SI

    I would like the privilage of becoming a beta-tester for SI.

    I have played Football Manager since FM05, and have followed it's progress with a keen eye. As a younger gamer (16 years old), I represent a demographic that is smaller, yet louder, than most on these forums. I have spent my time on these boards mainly in LLM and have, as such, developed a methodical way of playing, whereby I notice faults whilst I dissect the game.

    I have an eye for detail, and am able of capably communicating to others both clearly and concisely, though going into detail when needed. Though I have an infraction on these forums, I hope that this will not detract from me too much - a moment of stupidity, that was completely my fault.

    I am an active member of the forums, and an active player of Fottball Manager - I play almost every day, and I log in just as much.

    With regards to FM09, the features that I have the most problems with are Tactics and Training, and their unrealistic nature, and also the limited nature of Press Conferences.
    With T&T, the nature of sliders, though providing ease of use to the most experienced on Football Managers, are far too clunky and hard to interpret for the majority of players, and are thus the most unrealistic aspect of a game that prides itself (quite rightly) on realism.
    With Press Conferences, I find that I can't reply with enough scope with four (five if you include a 'No Comment' middle answer, that is already covered by the 'No Comment' tickbox on the general options - Answer Question, No Comment and Storm Out), and often wish to answer the media with more accurate representations of my views.

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