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    Default Is Arsenal still overrated in 920?

    In that thread SI promised it's under review, but in my game I just did not see much change, is it just my save or they did not work on it?

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    Default Re: Is Arsenal still overrated in 920?

    i personaly think that si over powered arsonal because thay have a deal with them

    & wala arsenal fm 09???????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????

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    Default Re: Is Arsenal still overrated in 920?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowleech View Post
    In that thread SI promised it's under review, but in my game I just did not see much change, is it just my save or they did not work on it?
    You will need to start a new game to take advantage of any data changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mije1983 View Post
    You will need to start a new game to take advantage of any data changes.

    while the "arsonel mindmelt has already taken effect" ??? hehe

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    Quote Originally Posted by mije1983 View Post
    You will need to start a new game to take advantage of any data changes.
    Well, I did...Just to test this problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by mije1983 View Post
    You will need to start a new game to take advantage of any data changes.
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowleech View Post
    Well, I did...Just to test this problem

    so im a "problem now" ????

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    Default Re: Is Arsenal still overrated in 920?

    Well in my save they didn't change much, and they got more wonderkids with high PA.

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    Default Re: Is Arsenal still overrated in 920?

    Arsenal already had the lowest CA/PA in general out of the top 4 clubs, and yet was outperforming them in most people's games. So CA/PA was not the issue causing this. Even so, the Arsenal squad's CA/PA has been reduced considerably for this patch in line with Arsenal's real life performance issues. I have noticed whilst checking the new database.

    From what I've heard, the culprit appears to have been the AI Wenger, which was getting the best out of the match engine.


    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowleech View Post
    Well in my save they didn't change much, and they got more wonderkids with high PA.
    You say "in your save". To see the new changes you need to start a new game. I haven't seen any Arsenal player with higher PA than in the previous patch.

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    Default Re: Is Arsenal still overrated in 920?

    i DID started a new game, it's my new save is it clear? I'm not very sure so I am try to ask u guys about ur experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oTRUTHo View Post
    while the "arsonel mindmelt has already taken effect" ??? hehe
    I hate to be picky but 'arsonel'?

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    Default Re: Is Arsenal still overrated in 920?

    We know about Arsenal's youth system. So, let's just look at the starters . . .

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    Looks like it was Wenger that caused the problem. They were never the best in terms of attributes.
    Last edited by GillsMan; 20-12-2008 at 07:03. Reason: Removed list of players' CA and PA

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    Default Re: Is Arsenal still overrated in 920?

    I'm pretty sure Arsenal have been toned down a lot in this patch. I have started a new game and Arsenal are currently in 5th place (30 games gone I think), whereas in the previous patch they were unstoppable.

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    Yes, Arsenal has been drastically reduced. Fabregas and Modric are only separated by 4 CA points now. Gomes is also better than Almunia. Dos Santos has better CA and PA than Denilson. It's absolutely ridiculous.

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    Default Re: Is Arsenal still overrated in 920?

    Ha Ha Gomes better than Almunia? lol What's that all about.

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    Wow thats awesome. but Fabregas compared to Modric that is a bit silly. Dos Santos has always had a higher PA than Denilson.

    Shame i'm not planning on starting anew game up to look, will do soon though! what other teams/players have been drastically improved or decreased in stats?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiN8 View Post
    Yes, Arsenal has been drastically reduced. Fabregas and Modric are only separated by 4 CA points now. Gomes is also better than Almunia. Dos Santos has better CA and PA than Denilson. It's absolutely ridiculous.
    Personally I don't think any of your examples are that ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dexta200 View Post
    Wow thats awesome. but Fabregas compared to Modric that is a bit silly. Dos Santos has always had a higher PA than Denilson.

    Shame i'm not planning on starting anew game up to look, will do soon though! what other teams/players have been drastically improved or decreased in stats?
    I don't think any other teams got re-rated. Only Arsenal since everyone complained about them doing well. So instead of finding the real problem, SI just reduced their attributes when they were already the lowest out of the big four in 9.1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CPS View Post
    Personally I don't think any of your examples are that ridiculous.
    Then I feel sorry for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiN8 View Post
    I don't think any other teams got re-rated. Only Arsenal since everyone complained about them doing well. So instead of finding the real problem, SI just reduced their attributes when they were already the lowest out of the big four in 9.1.
    Hmm.. yeah tbh When I play with Chelsea arsenal aren't a problem, even in first season! I walk the league by 10 points, they always finish 2nd but thats mainly due to Fabregas and Adebayor the rest don't really perform, I bought Vela off them though.

    They always win the Prem in my West Brom game though, which is a bit unrealistic, maybe as someone/you said sort out Wenger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiN8 View Post
    Then I feel sorry for you.
    Almunia? C'mon, Gomes is poor but Almunia isn't much better. Denilson replacing Flamini has been the main reason why Arsenal are so inconsistent this season and Modric and Fabregas are two of the best young midfielders in Europe - so what's the problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CPS View Post
    Almunia? C'mon, Gomes is poor but Almunia isn't much better. Denilson replacing Flamini has been the main reason why Arsenal are so inconsistent this season and Modric and Fabregas are two of the best young midfielders in Europe - so what's the problem?
    I do agree with the Almunia and Gomes neither being great keepers.

    and the comment about Denilson being the reason Arsenal haven't done well is true. Not because he's a bad player though.

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    Default Re: Is Arsenal still overrated in 920?

    Well they should have at least lowered Gomes aswell then to even it out, Because as bad as Almunia can be he's still a safer bet than Gomes thats for sure!

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    Default Re: Is Arsenal still overrated in 920?

    i wouldnt say so lmao


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    Default Re: Is Arsenal still overrated in 920?

    Quote Originally Posted by cave_canem View Post
    i wouldnt say so lmao

    I like what i'm seeing haha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barkermush View Post
    Well they should have at least lowered Gomes aswell then to even it out, Because as bad as Almunia can be he's still a safer bet than Gomes thats for sure!
    Fair enough, but for all his mistakes, Gomes has pulled off wonder sves from Gerrard and Giggs this season which have ultimately won Spurs 4 big points this season. Its easy to ridicule him, and the English media/commentators love crucifying foreign goalies, but you'll find that he'll never get any credit now because he's already been cast as a clown. Very few keepers in the Prem would've saved the Giggs free kick.

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    Almunia might not be good enough for a top 4 side, but that's nothing compared to how abysmal Gomes has been this year. I'm sure Spurs fans would love to see Robinson back. As of 9.2, Gomes is the 4th best GK in the EPL. If Arsenal gets their stats reduced by being in 5th place IRL, then why hasn't it being done for severe underachievers like Tottenham and Man City who are both relegation candidates right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiN8 View Post
    Almunia might not be good enough for a top 4 side, but that's nothing compared to how abysmal Gomes has been this year. I'm sure Spurs fans would love to see Robinson back. As of 9.2, Gomes is the 4th best GK in the EPL. If Arsenal gets their stats reduced by being in 5th place IRL, then why hasn't it being done for severe underachievers like Tottenham and Man City who are both relegation candidates right now.
    I think the testers had to act due to the (justifiable) backlash of Arsenal's dominance in 9.0.1. Admittedly, in two years time if Vela, Wilshere and co. show their CC form in the league then it may well be that Arsenal will be the dominant force in English football again, especially as United will be in transition without Ferguson.

    Spurs will probably finish around 10th this season. Had Redknapp been manager in August they'd almost certainly be in the top 8 right now. You are right about City however, no matter how much money gets pumped into the club its inevitable that they'll be fighting a relegation battle.

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    Arsenal was not dominant on my file, they were hovering around 3-5 in my first season, just like they are now

    i'm not getting this new patch if its going to put Arsenal in relegation zone.. even more stupid than them being #1

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    Default Re: Is Arsenal still overrated in 920?

    Anyone with any concerns regarding the Arsenal players data should go into the relevant data thread in the data forum and post there. Bear in mind, you will need evidence and reasoning to back up your points, not just 'I don't think he's that good'. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiN8 View Post
    Yes, Arsenal has been drastically reduced. Fabregas and Modric are only separated by 4 CA points now. Gomes is also better than Almunia. Dos Santos has better CA and PA than Denilson. It's absolutely ridiculous.
    Besides Fabregas, the rest are not even debatable. If you actually watch football, Gomes has been performing well ever since Ramos left and Redknapp joined. And Dos Santos not better than Denilson? Denilson has been one of the worst midfielders for Arsenal. Never ever gonna make it at Arsenal, even the Arsenal fans agree about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CPS View Post
    Almunia? C'mon, Gomes is poor but Almunia isn't much better. Denilson replacing Flamini has been the main reason why Arsenal are so inconsistent this season and Modric and Fabregas are two of the best young midfielders in Europe - so what's the problem?
    i second that..

    Also I dont think Denilson will ever become a great player as indicated by his PA. Same goes for many of his players. Most of them are very inconsistent...

    Arsenal are a lot in debt and they have to rely on selling. That should also be reflected in the game..

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    Quote Originally Posted by reo hustler View Post
    We know about Arsenal's youth system. So, let's just look at the starters . . .
    Dude! Major spoiler!!

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    Man Utd just won the league and Carling Cup in my new challenge game so order restored. Arsenal won the Champions League though and finished somewhere in the top 4. Liverpool winning the FA Cup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ubos View Post
    Besides Fabregas, the rest are not even debatable. If you actually watch football, Gomes has been performing well ever since Ramos left and Redknapp joined. And Dos Santos not better than Denilson? Denilson has been one of the worst midfielders for Arsenal. Never ever gonna make it at Arsenal, even the Arsenal fans agree about that.
    Do we? Rather sweeping statement...

    Comparing players like Dos Santos and Denilson is a bit pointless as they're different types of players.

    That said though, if Denilson has been one of the worst midfielders at Arsenal then surely Dos Santos can claim that honour at Spurs.

    As for Gomes - he's a great keeper who still isn't up to speed so no arguments with that one.

    Fabregas being near to Modric in CA is laughable, but the majority will keep shouting about Arsenal winning everything so i'll have to live with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KLH84 View Post
    Fabregas being near to Modric in CA is laughable, but the majority will keep shouting about Arsenal winning everything so i'll have to live with it.
    is it laughable? so you think best croatian player shouldn't have CA anywhere near 170 and best arenal player should imediatly be somewhere around 185? i'm not sure about del bosque but arragones seemed to rate xavi, inesta and senna (ok a dm) higher than cesc. also what is CA? it's only a weightening system in which some stats weight more than others and pace and acceleration weight probably the most. cesc seems to be rated as not the fastest player, modrić a bit faster hence their CA being almost the same...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitja View Post
    is it laughable? so you think best croatian player shouldn't have CA anywhere near 170 and best arenal player should imediatly be somewhere around 185? i'm not sure about del bosque but arragones seemed to rate xavi, inesta and senna (ok a dm) higher than cesc. also what is CA? it's only a weightening system in which some stats weight more than others and pace and acceleration weight probably the most. cesc seems to be rated as not the fastest player, modrić a bit faster hence their CA being almost the same...
    Theo Walcott's very fast and I wouldn't give him a CA anywhere near either of them.

    It's nothing to do with him being Croatian either - when i've seen Modric play there have definitely been glimpses of what's to come when he's fully settled but he is not currently as good as Fabregas.

    We're going to get told to stop discussing this in here anyway - lets agree to disagree, I never see either of them anyway as they don't tend to want to play in the lower leagues

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    yeah whatever. if you looked at their stats instead of CA only you could notice cesc having exactly 7 world class attributes (18-20 being world class) and modrić having only 1 and that being his stamina. maybe barca fans could argue about cesc's CA being over-rated compared to inesta and they wouldn't be wrong about it having their PA's in mind - 181 inesta and 195 cesc. well that could also be described as laughable...

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    We weren't talking about Iniesta.

    He's 24, so there's a small age difference there. Do I think there should be such a vast difference in PA? No probably not - and I imagine Barca fans would welcome Cesc back rather than saying 'Oh no, he's nowhere near as good as our current midfielders'.

    Modric, on CA, is better than the entire Arsenal team apart from Fabregas. I'm not debating he's a good player but that's a little odd...

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    just to clear things up i think cesc is a fantastic player, it's just i went mad about your laughable coment on modrić.

    i don't want to talk about CA as it means nothing but his stats are about right. strenght should be reduced: 13 -> 10/11, i would argue he's faster than bentley, his finishing could be a bit lower as well as influence and penalty taking. but there are also some stats i would higher like decision making...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitja View Post
    just to clear things up i think cesc is a fantastic player, it's just i went mad about your laughable coment on modrić.

    i don't want to talk about CA as it means nothing but his stats are about right. strenght should be reduced: 13 -> 10/11, i would argue he's faster than bentley, his finishing could be a bit lower as well as influence and penalty taking. but there are also some stats i would higher like decision making...
    Sorry, laughable may not have been the best word. With an extended family of Spurs fans you get used to defending anything to do with Arsenal even if it isn't entirely rational

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    Default Re: Is Arsenal still overrated in 920?

    Aragones may have rated Xavi and Ininesta higher, but if you compare what Fabregas did in the tournament to their contributions...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCIAG View Post
    Aragones may have rated Xavi and Ininesta higher, but if you compare what Fabregas did in the tournament to their contributions...
    Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Xavi was named player of the tournament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nbrocky View Post
    Anyone with any concerns regarding the Arsenal players data should go into the relevant data thread in the data forum and post there. Bear in mind, you will need evidence and reasoning to back up your points, not just 'I don't think he's that good'. Thanks.
    What he said. The thread in the data issues section is the place to discuss this.

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