It's come to light that, Regenerated players are far from random, as we are led to believe. In my understanding, a regen gets "born" at random on the opening day of each new season (19th June for N. Ireland), with randomly picked PA/CA determined on National Rep, and a Random name pulled from a hat of names belonging to that nation. (I.E - England may see a lot of Smiths, Browns, Johns and Steves)
But currently, I have to argue this.
I'm currently playing Gundo's Challenge, I'm sure you know what its about, and there a few of us managing in N. Ireland. One user on the thread had a phenomenal forward named Ben Kenney, who was english. (Born 1994).
Many years into my game, I signed a young promising striker, english, named Ben Kenney. Being English and with the same name i thought coincidental. Until I noticed the actual D.O.B
Ben Kenney 1 - D.O.B = 21.2.1994
Ben Kenney 2 - D.O.B = 21.2.2003
Amazing. I thought, what a massive coincidence, left it there, and thought nothing more of it. Until today.
It turns out, ANOTHER user has ANOTHER Ben Kenney with the D.O.B @ 21.2.1993
They are all "Regens". They are all different save games. But they are all the very same player.
This leads me to believe, how random are the "random" regens?
How many others on this forum have a Ben Kenney of their own born on the 21st of Feb in any particular year,
and how long are SI going to pull the wool over our eyes on this matter?
It's come to light that, Regenerated players are far from random, as we are led to believe. In my understanding, a regen gets "born" at random on the opening day of each new season (19th June for N. Ireland), with randomly picked PA/CA determined on National Rep, and a Random name pulled from a hat of names belonging to that nation. (I.E - England may see a lot of Smiths, Browns, Johns and Steves)
But currently, I have to argue this.
I'm currently playing Gundo's Challenge, I'm sure you know what its about, and there a few of us managing in N. Ireland. One user on the thread had a phenomenal forward named Ben Kenney, who was english. (Born 1994).
Many years into my game, I signed a young promising striker, english, named Ben Kenney. Being English and with the same name i thought coincidental. Until I noticed the actual D.O.B
Ben Kenney 1 - D.O.B = 21.2.1994
Ben Kenney 2 - D.O.B = 21.2.2003
Amazing. I thought, what a massive coincidence, left it there, and thought nothing more of it. Until today.
It turns out, ANOTHER user has ANOTHER Ben Kenney with the D.O.B @ 21.2.1993
They are all "Regens". They are all different save games. But they are all the very same player.
This leads me to believe, how random are the "random" regens?
How many others on this forum have a Ben Kenney of their own born on the 21st of Feb in any particular year,
and how long are SI going to pull the wool over our eyes on this matter?
who found out how to get milk from a cow? And what did he think he was doing??
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bah! not in my game, i feel left out now!
on a serious note, its an interesting point, will be interesting to note just how many Ben Kenney's there are out there...
I personally think Ben Kenney will appear on anyones game so long as it is a long-term career game. I'm in 2024 and he's 23 IIRC. I reckon you must be 10+ seasons.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by iacovone:
I personally think Ben Kenney will appear on anyones game so long as it is a long-term career game. I'm in 2024 and he's 23 IIRC. I reckon you must be 10+ seasons. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Annihilators Ben Kenney was borin in 1994, meaning it would be around the 2010 mark when he was introduced into that save game.
iacovone, also D.O.B @ 21.2, and also an attacking player.
Interesting but it doesn't really prove anything. The 4th one doesn't count either as his DOB is different, so thats very easily coincidental. The other three are suspect. It still maybe a coincidence though. Maybe its a problem with DOB not being entirely random?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Neji:
Interesting but it doesn't really prove anything. The 4th one doesn't count either as his DOB is different, so thats very easily coincidental. The other three are suspect. It still maybe a coincidence though. Maybe its a problem with DOB not being entirely random? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It's not different. You must have looked at the contract expiry date. 21.2.2003 for the 4th.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CoachFlu: Another Ben Kenney. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Grecian_03:
I found one on my game too, 21/2/91
He's rotting in Warrington reserves and a goalie... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
please upload a screenie!!!!
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NepentheZ:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Neji:
Interesting but it doesn't really prove anything. The 4th one doesn't count either as his DOB is different, so thats very easily coincidental. The other three are suspect. It still maybe a coincidence though. Maybe its a problem with DOB not being entirely random? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It's not different. You must have looked at the contract expiry date. 21.2.2003 for the 4th. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ahhh, my bad. Was looking at the wrong date
You're onto something here. The next step is to choose another regen at random and see if the same pattern occurs. I too have a Ben Kenney bvorn on the same date.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by masteR+_+:
Probably the random function used within FM uses the in-game date as a seed... nothing wrong with that, imo. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Neji:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NepentheZ:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Neji:
Interesting but it doesn't really prove anything. The 4th one doesn't count either as his DOB is different, so thats very easily coincidental. The other three are suspect. It still maybe a coincidence though. Maybe its a problem with DOB not being entirely random? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It's not different. You must have looked at the contract expiry date. 21.2.2003 for the 4th. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ahhh, my bad. Was looking at the wrong date
You're onto something here. The next step is to choose another regen at random and see if the same pattern occurs. I too have a Ben Kenney bvorn on the same date. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ben Kenney is a tester at SI
There are a few testers that are regenerated in the game depending on which leagues you have running, in total there about 15 or so
The testers were asked if they wanted to be in the game as possible future regens and their details were taken. Among the details were name, D.O.B, nationality, favourite team.
If you look at all the Ben Kenneys in the game you should find his favourite team is Tottenham
All other newgens are generated differently is different games
What about their abilities? There's one more guy who appears in various games, with a rather complicated asian name - his initials are S.S. and he always turns out to be one of the best players in the world. Ben Kenney also seems to be a minor star in the game.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gudge:
Ben Kenney is a tester at SI
There are a few testers that are regenerated in the game depending on which leagues you have running, in total there about 15 or so
The testers were asked if they wanted to be in the game as possible future regens and their details were taken. Among the details were name, D.O.B, nationality, favourite team.
If you look at all the Ben Kenneys in the game you should find his favourite team is Tottenham
All other newgens are generated differently is different games </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
if you look in the credits there should be a few people from the SI Testing team that are in various games
I'd advise you to sign me but it seems everytime i'm generated im a crap reserve goalkeeper
search for Gordon Dunbar, my favourite team will be Rangers
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gudge:
if you look in the credits there should be a few people from the SI Testing team that are in various games
I'd advise you to sign me but it seems everytime i'm generated im a crap reserve goalkeeper
search for Gordon Dunbar, my favourite team will be Rangers </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Then I guess that explains everything. Amazing how Ben Kenney finds his way into a lot of User controlled teams.!
Also, Gudge, as your here, what is the file I can amend to make myself one of these future regens? Cheers.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gudge:
if you look in the credits there should be a few people from the SI Testing team that are in various games
I'd advise you to sign me but it seems everytime i'm generated im a crap reserve goalkeeper
search for Gordon Dunbar, my favourite team will be Rangers </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Found you except your a crap centreback in my save. No offense Gudge.
cool, on fm07 I had a regen called James Michael (cm) who was brilliant, then started again and low and behold another regen called James Michael appeared this time a CF and also brilliant.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gudge:
I'd advise you to sign me but it seems everytime i'm generated im a crap reserve goalkeeper
search for Gordon Dunbar, my favourite team will be Rangers </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I honestly think we need a thread dedicated to this
Gordon, you look good for B'burn there.!
Do you happen to know all of the SI Members that signed up for this? I would search for all of them, but some may not have been created yet, and you be buggered if i'm searching 300 people a season
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Also, Gudge, as your here, what is the file I can amend to make myself one of these future regens? Cheers </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gudge:
if you look in the credits there should be a few people from the SI Testing team that are in various games
I'd advise you to sign me but it seems everytime i'm generated im a crap reserve goalkeeper
search for Gordon Dunbar, my favourite team will be Rangers </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Seems like you're quite good on my game Gudge. As a Centre Back and playing for Rangers, you've had a mighty fine career!
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gudge:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Also, Gudge, as your here, what is the file I can amend to make myself one of these future regens? Cheers </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Sorry, there isn't a file that can be edited </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Shame, would be a nice idea like the future chairman.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by iacovone:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gudge:
if you look in the credits there should be a few people from the SI Testing team that are in various games
I'd advise you to sign me but it seems everytime i'm generated im a crap reserve goalkeeper
search for Gordon Dunbar, my favourite team will be Rangers </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Seems like you're quite good on my game Gudge. As a Centre Back and playing for Rangers, you've had a mighty fine career! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
YAS, a dream come true. I've also been capped for The Motherland
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Si BHA:
I have yet to see a decent Simon Tipple. So if I'm a world class striker in anyone's game I'd love too see it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Tipple. Not exactly world class, but decent.
(entire career at Birmingham)
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gudge:
if you look in the credits there should be a few people from the SI Testing team that are in various games
I'd advise you to sign me but it seems everytime i'm generated im a crap reserve goalkeeper
search for Gordon Dunbar, my favourite team will be Rangers </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I had you and Ben Keneny in my team at the same time.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gudge:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Also, Gudge, as your here, what is the file I can amend to make myself one of these future regens? Cheers </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Sorry, there isn't a file that can be edited </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Are we sure of that?
There was in FM'05, you could use the EDT/DDT system to create future regens. I'd be a bit surprised if they hard-coded you guys instead of using that system..
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CoachFlu:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Si BHA:
I have yet to see a decent Simon Tipple. So if I'm a world class striker in anyone's game I'd love too see it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Tipple. Not exactly world class, but decent.
(entire career at Birmingham) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Not bad not bad! Hopefully finish my career at Brighton!
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Si BHA:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CoachFlu:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Si BHA:
I have yet to see a decent Simon Tipple. So if I'm a world class striker in anyone's game I'd love too see it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Tipple. Not exactly world class, but decent.
(entire career at Birmingham) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Not bad not bad! Hopefully finish my career at Brighton! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CoachFlu:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Si BHA:
I have yet to see a decent Simon Tipple. So if I'm a world class striker in anyone's game I'd love too see it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Tipple. Not exactly world class, but decent.
(entire career at Birmingham) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I remenber those days, and when you asked a player report they would come up with funny things, like one of th SI guys asked not to play cause he might mess up, or another asked to put his wife name on the back of the jersey, or the massive size of another that woul block all the of the Goal.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gudge:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Also, Gudge, as your here, what is the file I can amend to make myself one of these future regens? Cheers </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Sorry, there isn't a file that can be edited </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
you can use the name of the country and favourite team, or you can use the unique id which can be found by starting a game and turning unique ids on, or by looking in the editor
then put the file you've created in the edt folder of the game database you're using
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by EdL:
There better be a good Ed Lambert out there, in my game I'm rubbish and retired </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You have good potential in mine my scouts reckon you would be a good signing, and aren't far off having required potential to be better than my best strker You have been in the game 3 seasons now, and have been at Newcastle for the 3 years. Edward Lambert
Mark Linnane, John Schofield and Philip Rolfe are also in mine along with Ben Kenney, Glenn Wakeford, Simon Tipple, James Chuter
SI have 2 keepers, 3 strikers, a right back, a right mid, attacking mid.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by McNeil:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by EdL:
There better be a good Ed Lambert out there, in my game I'm rubbish and retired </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You have good potential in mine my scouts reckon you would be a good signing, and aren't far off having required potential to be better than my best strker You have been in the game 3 seasons now, and have been at Newcastle for the 3 years. Edward Lambert
Mark Linnane, John Schofield and Philip Rolfe are also in mine along with Ben Kenney, Glenn Wakeford, Simon Tipple, James Chuter
SI have 2 keepers, 3 strikers, a right back, a right mid, attacking mid. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ed Lambert in my game is playing for Pompey, 15 U-21 Caps for england, been at pompey his whole career too, suprizing. Hes 29 now....
Any SI Staff that would like there Screenies of the players up, just let me know
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Barockhamster:
One more Ben Kenney born 21.02.1993
at Aston Villa, tottenham as one favoured clubs
Born In Alvechurch
postion MC/FC
Black. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
colour is random with the players, we know that already mate CoachFlu's was also black while alot of the others were white, im guessing its only the stats taken off the SI guys that is set in stone.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kill Rock Stars:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gudge:
Sorry, there isn't a file that can be edited </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
um, there is. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I knew it!
Thanks for posting the instructions, KRS - I couldn't remember where I'd seen it.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gudge:
if you look in the credits there should be a few people from the SI Testing team that are in various games
I'd advise you to sign me but it seems everytime i'm generated im a crap reserve goalkeeper
search for Gordon Dunbar, my favourite team will be Rangers </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
you're an Unsigned center back on my game, you suck aswell :O
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