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    Does anyone know how to call a pure virtual function so I can put a debug break in it? Please, Im dying to play the game now.

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    Take the rotary girter out and inject a few thousand jiggawatts

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    do i need a new ram or something it stopping me playing the game, my RAM is 512MB

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    Explain yourself properly - explain what your problem is, include screenshots of error messages, and describe what's happened - then we might help you.

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    well u had a thread that got 4000+ views bout this problem and no one helped me but it was on the bugs forum. so here it goes.... im just playing around on the game and then this happens
    1. Serious error had occured and the application must close. An error file has been placed in the Crash dumps folder. (nothing goes into the crash dumps folder)
    2. An error report comes up saying dont send or send. (this doesnt help in the slightest)
    3. Title of pop up: Microsoft Visual C++ Runtime Library error.
    Runtime Error
    (say what the game is and where)
    R6025:
    Pure Virtual Function Call



    microsoft say i need to call a pure virtual function and place a debugbreak in it but I dont know how to call it or place a debubreak in it.
    Sorry dont know how to place screen shots on the thread.

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    no one this is annyoing and worrying

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    you cant do it as it involves seeing the actual game code which isn't possible

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    Originally posted by stokes_83:
    Take the rotary girter out and inject a few thousand jiggawatts

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    Originally posted by acidmonkey:
    you cant do it as it involves seeing the actual game code which isn't possible
    im guessing this mean i cant fix the game and RTHerringbone and stokes_83 what does that mean.

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    Originally posted by RTHerringbone:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stokes_83:
    Take the rotary girter out and inject a few thousand jiggawatts
    </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


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    You're in dire need of a flux capacitor.

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    Load the .exe into a hex editor, find the vtable for the class in question and replace the null pointer with a pointer of your choice. In hex my favourite pointer is 0xdeadbeef.

    BTW, you've just violated the ULA.

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    i dont know wat i have done way a flux capacitor and wat the hell is the ULA and where can i get hex editor from

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    Originally posted by This field intentionally left blank:
    Load the .exe into a hex editor, find the vtable for the class in question and replace the null pointer with a pointer of your choice. In hex my favourite pointer is 0xdeadbeef.

    BTW, you've just violated the ULA.
    how do u load the .exe into hex editor and wat is the .exe for fm08 is it fm.exe?

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    Hello!
    I have the same problem and i'm not sure it's good idea to edit fm.exe with hex editor. Does anybody have another decision?

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    anyone out there wit a suggestion they can EXPLAIN FULLY please

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    If you hit ctrl+Alt+delete 3 times, you should get a pop up onto your screen.

    You will be able to open up a dtection program. This will enable you to more easily detect when people are taking the p1ss out of you.

    Flux Capacitor?!? FFS, haven't you ever seen 'Back to the Future'?

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    part of it and wat the hell is the ctrl+alt+delete thing 3 times...nothing happpens

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    OK, you seem to be going around in circles. Here is the proper answer:

    - You can't debug or do anything to the game's code. So that's that.

    - To solve the error, try and updating your graphics card or reinstalling the game. That is your only solution.

    However, this thread should not be in this forum. Please write it in the Bugs Forum and wait for a reply. If you don't get any, then no-one can help.

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    Got a big/decent Hard Drive?

    Try upping your virtual RAM.

    Right Click on My Computer
    Properties
    Advanced Tab
    Click Settings in the Performance area.
    Click Change under the virtual RAM area.
    Up the initial and the maximum values.

    Before doing this, please make sure you've reinstalled the game and patched it to the latest version.

    Failing that you may have a ****ed version of Windows or just a **** pc/drivers.

    Start>Run>dxdiag tells you all your pc stats

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    Originally posted by DamianY2J:
    OK, you seem to be going around in circles. Here is the proper answer:

    - You can't debug or do anything to the game's code. So that's that.

    - To solve the error, try and updating your graphics card or reinstalling the game. That is your only solution.

    However, this thread should not be in this forum. Please write it in the Bugs Forum and wait for a reply. If you don't get any, then no-one can help.
    update graphics card and reinstalled the game

    i had a hot topic in the bugs forum but got new answer

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    Originally posted by mikemanutd:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DamianY2J:
    OK, you seem to be going around in circles. Here is the proper answer:

    - You can't debug or do anything to the game's code. So that's that.

    - To solve the error, try and updating your graphics card or reinstalling the game. That is your only solution.

    However, this thread should not be in this forum. Please write it in the Bugs Forum and wait for a reply. If you don't get any, then no-one can help.
    update graphics card and reinstalled the game

    i had a hot topic in the bugs forum but got new answer </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Then either wait for an answer or you'll have to accept that no-one knows the answer.

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    Originally posted by HHUK:
    You're in dire need of a flux capacitor.
    i just so happens i found one of these in my pocket today and i decide to flog it to the highets bidder whos guna start me? i got 5 xeobytes over here? 24 xeobyts thank you any advance?

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    how can a game be made with a problem that cant be fixed....it just pure stupidity...think if i sent a letter to SI i would get a reply (doubt it)

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    I'm not sure it's a problem with the game per se, because I don't think anyone else has every come across this issue. The problem is more likely found in your machine. Have you tried installing the game on a different computer, and seeing what happens? If it runs fine, then the problem lies with your computer. If not, take the game back.

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    i think it is something to do with the game and pc. somethin on the pc or somethin the pc is lacking isnt mixing very well with the game

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    Originally posted by mikemanutd:
    i think it is something to do with the game and pc. somethin on the pc or somethin the pc is lacking isnt mixing very well with the game
    Your technical jargon is confusing me.

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    Just out of curiosity, whats the specs of your computer?

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    512MB Ram
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    Graphic Card=GeForce FX 5200 (9.0c directX)
    Windows XP Home Edition

    now i have told you please reply..its annoying when people ask me a question and i answer it and they dont reply

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    un-install the game, re-install the game, what happens then?

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    When a program is written, it is generally compiled into machine code, as is Football Manager 2007 and 2008.

    Now, programs like Visio and Visual C++ can run programs in little "sandboxes", so they can, say, monitor what goes on in the computer while it runs. Not just files it creates and stuff, but rather how virtual memory and registers are used. It forms the basis of programs such as FM Modifier, analysing memory.

    Unfortunately, Microsoft, when you install what I'd imagine is Microsoft Visual Basic with Microsoft Visual C++ with various other things, whenever a program encounters an error, it assumes you are a technical expert and then thinks you will be able to debug the program. Not just modify the underlying code, but the memory too! Obviously, few people are capable of such a thing, but the error message is in such a way that people will usually click debug or something, because they think Microsoft is so good at software design, it will debug for you.

    It doesn't. And I highly doubt many people can.

    So what I suggest: Ignore this stupid message, it's doubtful this is the solution. It's almost like finding your car broken down, and instead of checking if your ignition key is inside, you take your car apart to find the problem.

    You can view Microsoft's description, too. But don't follow any of their instructions, there's no point.

    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/125749

    I am inclined to think it's a botched install. Try uninstalling your game and re-installing. Otherwise, it could be various issues, including broken DirectX drivers or spyware. But do the reinstall first.

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    I've done a little poking around, too, and it could be your graphics card, but this is unlikely looking at yours.

    You could try getting updated drivers from nVidia. But again, I doubt this is the case and it's not really a nice path, updating your graphics drivers, when you get it wrong.

    What I did find out was that this error is quite widespread over multiple games so it could well be graphics card or DirectX-related.

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    Originally posted by Dappen:
    un-install the game, re-install the game, what happens then?
    it still doesnt work

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    my version of CirectX is 9.0c and the game says the graphic card must be 8.1 compatiable so you think i should install 8.1 over 9.0c or should it work with 9.0c and somewhere i have read that someone fixed this problem on CM03/04 by installing windows XP service pack 2 but i cant install it. it doesnt show up on windows update...does this mena i already have it

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    i hve the sme specs as you, but nothing came up on mine

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    un install the game. go to c:\program files\sports interactive\ and delete the football manager 2008 folder. then reinstall.

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    Originally posted by mikemanutd:
    how can a game be made with a problem that cant be fixed....it just pure stupidity...think if i sent a letter to SI i would get a reply (doubt it)
    you expect SI to release a game complete with all code that can be viewed?

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    Originally posted by Chilliconcarnie:
    un install the game. go to c:\program files\sports interactive\ and delete the football manager 2008 folder. then reinstall.
    been there done that several times

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    Originally posted by postal postie:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mikemanutd:
    how can a game be made with a problem that cant be fixed....it just pure stupidity...think if i sent a letter to SI i would get a reply (doubt it)
    you expect SI to release a game complete with all code that can be viewed? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    no i expect the game code not to contain any faults and if it does there should be a way of fixing it

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    I don't think it's the game. If the CD was scratched, say, the install would've quite likely not completed itself.

    Alright, I think we've exhausted the possible avenues. You have an nVidia card, so go to http://www.nvidia.com > Download drivers > Enter all your computer details and search, or use Option 2. Follow all the instructions carefully. Before doing any installing, I suggest you go and dig out the CD that came with the original drivers for your video card just in case something goes wrong. Get the latest drivers and install them, restart your computer, then give the game a shot again.

    It could well be a corrupted DirectX driver or something - if you play any other games, does this happen? You can also try installing DirectX 9.0c again (http://www.download.com/Microsoft-Di...4-10617608.htm l - a copy here), restart your system and try again.

    Keep us updated.

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    to x42bn6 - useful and helpful, especially the explanation about debugging.

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    Originally posted by x42bn6:
    I don't think it's the game. If the CD was scratched, say, the install would've quite likely not completed itself.

    Alright, I think we've exhausted the possible avenues. You have an nVidia card, so go to http://www.nvidia.com > Download drivers > Enter all your computer details and search, or use Option 2. Follow all the instructions carefully. Before doing any installing, I suggest you go and dig out the CD that came with the original drivers for your video card just in case something goes wrong. Get the latest drivers and install them, restart your computer, then give the game a shot again.

    It could well be a corrupted DirectX driver or something - if you play any other games, does this happen? You can also try installing DirectX 9.0c again (http://www.download.com/Microsoft-Di...4-10617608.htm l - a copy here), restart your system and try again.

    Keep us updated.
    i till give this a go. thanks for your time. sorry to say but it cant be the disc because I have had the game now with new different disc (it is the only refund policy game offer) and it didnt work with either disc so i doubt it is that.

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    well I have a few games which would work which I thought would need better graphics eg. Battlefield 2 and Battlefield 2142. But Medieval Total War 2 doesnt work - doesnt install fully somethin to do with a voice1.dat file being wrong or something. You think it is related (i dont).

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    x42bn6 it didnt work what you suggested. I downloaded the directX from the link you gave and it worked for about 2 hours and then the problem reoccured. So i tried to install it again and the problem happened straight away. I have alreayd tried the latest nvidia update.

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    any other ideas?

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    I don't suppose you would know how to reinstall windows? The fact that it worked for a while indicates it is a system problem, either hardware or software

    When it occurred again after it had worked for 2 hours, how did it crash - was it exactly the same?

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    Originally posted by mikemanutd:
    x42bn6 it didnt work what you suggested. I downloaded the directX from the link you gave and it worked for about 2 hours and then the problem reoccured. So i tried to install it again and the problem happened straight away. I have alreayd tried the latest nvidia update.
    Alright, we are getting somewhere! What did you do so the game ran for 2 hours? What order, basically?

    Is it:

    1) DirectX, played game, crashed, update video card, nothing happened
    2) DirectX, update video card, played game, crashed

    Or if you didn't need to update at all.

    If it is the former, it's probably something dodgy with your card, though I have absolutely no idea about how to go about fixing that (that error message is so vague).

    If it's the latter, it suggests even the "best" updates cause the problem but do get you somewhere.

    I've done some more poking around, but I don't have an nVidia card so I can't really help you here. Try looking for your nVidia settings, perhaps in Display Settings (right-click Desktop > Properties > Settings > Advanced?), and then look for something along the lines of "Windows Media Acceleration", and disable it, and see if that works. Something tells me no, as well, because that's related to video, but who knows? I saw this as a solution for Roxio's products.

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    I've also found this: http://www.tech-archive.net/Archive/WinXP/microsoft.pub...006-04/msg00146.html Try the first few - I've already suggest some of them.

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    Originally posted by auto98uk:
    I don't suppose you would know how to reinstall windows? The fact that it worked for a while indicates it is a system problem, either hardware or software

    When it occurred again after it had worked for 2 hours, how did it crash - was it exactly the same?
    yeah

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    to x42bn6 i had already tried it with the latest version of nvidia update so i installed directX 9.0c again and it worked then it crashed. so i tried to see wta would happen if i installed it again but it crashed after going on for a minute then.

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    the website u sent me x42bn6 was a especially the one it suggested in 5 i think but most of it i have alreayd tried and none of the other helped. still there

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    Time for drastics, I think. Have you managed to find your nVidia control panel?

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    yeah but couldnt find anything useful on it but that was because i dont really know what the things did

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    the options on the control panel are:
    adjust image setting with preview
    run display optimization wizard
    move CRT screen position
    change resolution
    adjust desktop colour settings
    rotate display
    set up multiple displays
    adjust video colour settings

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    Open start->run-> type eventvwr; press enter

    Windows event viewer will open,check the application log. I believe there will be a lot of errors logged.

    right click on application-> clear log.

    open the game in order to reproduce the error you are getting.

    refresh the application log, read the events with type=error and provide the event ids.

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    if you have no problem, you could try a fresh installation of windows xp (format and reinstall), so you'll have your computer clean.

    Then install directx (the new one) and football manager to see if it works.

    By the way you should upgrade your computer to 1 giga of ram..

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    Originally posted by mikemanutd:
    the options on the control panel are:
    adjust image setting with preview
    run display optimization wizard
    move CRT screen position
    change resolution
    adjust desktop colour settings
    rotate display
    set up multiple displays
    adjust video colour settings
    Ugh, doesn't help.

    Follow Talented_Red's solution. It could be useful.

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    Is this thread a wind up?

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    Originally posted by gianps:
    if you have no problem, you could try a fresh installation of windows xp (format and reinstall), so you'll have your computer clean.

    Then install directx (the new one) and football manager to see if it works.

    By the way you should upgrade your computer to 1 giga of ram..
    unfortunately i have already tried reloading windows XP and it didnt work and my dad is too tight fisted to buy a nerw ram so 512MB will have to suffice. i know people with 512MB ram who it works perfectly for

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    Originally posted by Chezwig©:
    Is this thread a wind up?
    no really it a extremely frustrating problem. iamagine buyin g a game u couldnt get a refund for and it doesnt work and you dont know why. now u know how i feel.

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    Originally posted by Talented_Red:
    Open start->run-> type eventvwr; press enter

    Windows event viewer will open,check the application log. I believe there will be a lot of errors logged.

    right click on application-> clear log.

    open the game in order to reproduce the error you are getting.

    refresh the application log, read the events with type=error and provide the event ids.
    once I have found the error thing what I am looking for do I right click the error and go into properties?

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    Have you tried defragmenting the discombobulator?

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    well his is the data it give in bytes:
    0000: 41 70 70 6c 69 63 61 74 Applicat
    0008: 69 6f 6e 20 46 61 69 6c ion Fail
    0010: 75 72 65 20 20 66 6d 2e ure fm.
    0018: 65 78 65 20 38 2e 30 2e exe 8.0.
    0020: 31 2e 34 38 37 37 34 20 1.48774
    0028: 69 6e 20 66 6d 2e 65 78 in fm.ex
    0030: 65 20 38 2e 30 2e 31 2e e 8.0.1.
    0038: 34 38 37 37 34 20 61 74 48774 at
    0040: 20 6f 66 66 73 65 74 20 offset
    0048: 30 30 62 33 37 35 32 36 00b37526
    0050: 0d 0a ..
    and in words:
    0000: 6c707041 74616369 206e6f69 6c696146
    0010: 20657275 2e6d6620 20657865 2e302e38
    0020: 38342e31 20343737 66206e69 78652e6d
    0030: 2e382065 2e312e30 37373834 74612034
    0040: 66666f20 20746573 33623030 36323537
    0050: 0a0d

    the description it gives is:
    Faulting applcation fm.exe, version 8.0.1.48774, faulting module fm.exe, version 8.0.1.48774, fault address 0x00b37526.

    when i go to the help and support centre in say the internet page has connection problem but i cna access other internet stuff.

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    See my reply below.

    Post in the bugs forum, as that is the best place to get an answer. You will NOT get a good enough answer to solve your problem in this forum.

    If no-one replies in the bugs forum, then try the PC Support forum, where SI themselves might reply eventually.

    Those other forums are your only and best chance of solving it.

    This forum cannot and probably will not help.


    Originally posted by DamianY2J:
    OK, you seem to be going around in circles. Here is the proper answer:

    - You can't debug or do anything to the game's code. So that's that.

    - To solve the error, try and updating your graphics card or reinstalling the game. That is your only solution.

    However, this thread should not be in this forum. Please write it in the Bugs Forum and wait for a reply. If you don't get any, then no-one can help.

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    Originally posted by mikemanutd:
    well his is the data it give in bytes:
    0000: 41 70 70 6c 69 63 61 74 Applicat
    0008: 69 6f 6e 20 46 61 69 6c ion Fail
    0010: 75 72 65 20 20 66 6d 2e ure fm.
    0018: 65 78 65 20 38 2e 30 2e exe 8.0.
    0020: 31 2e 34 38 37 37 34 20 1.48774
    0028: 69 6e 20 66 6d 2e 65 78 in fm.ex
    0030: 65 20 38 2e 30 2e 31 2e e 8.0.1.
    0038: 34 38 37 37 34 20 61 74 48774 at
    0040: 20 6f 66 66 73 65 74 20 offset
    0048: 30 30 62 33 37 35 32 36 00b37526
    0050: 0d 0a ..
    and in words:
    0000: 6c707041 74616369 206e6f69 6c696146
    0010: 20657275 2e6d6620 20657865 2e302e38
    0020: 38342e31 20343737 66206e69 78652e6d
    0030: 2e382065 2e312e30 37373834 74612034
    0040: 66666f20 20746573 33623030 36323537
    0050: 0a0d

    the description it gives is:
    Faulting applcation fm.exe, version 8.0.1.48774, faulting module fm.exe, version 8.0.1.48774, fault address 0x00b37526.

    when i go to the help and support centre in say the internet page has connection problem but i cna access other internet stuff.

    It is difficult to say for sure because the error description is not very informative. Thats expected from windows - very technical error codes.

    1. run a memory test using memtest86 found at http://www.memtest86.com/

    2. Enable/ disable hardware acceleration settings. control panel-> display properties-> settings->advanced->troubleshoot. change the hardware acceleration settings.
    Also change the screen resolution to 1024*768 px

    3. Are you using norton/ symantec antivirus?

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    Do this only if you are not using these versions of directx and java runtime:

    1. download and install directx 9.0c November 2007 update - http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyi...D17B8&displaylang=en

    2. uninstall your current java runtime and install the latest java runtime Java6 update 3 -
    http://www.filehippo.com/download_java_runtime/

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    Originally posted by DamianY2J:
    See my reply below.

    Post in the bugs forum, as that is the best place to get an answer. You will NOT get a good enough answer to solve your problem in this forum.

    If no-one replies in the bugs forum, then try the PC Support forum, where SI themselves might reply eventually.

    Those other forums are your only and best chance of solving it.

    This forum cannot and probably will not help.


    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DamianY2J:
    OK, you seem to be going around in circles. Here is the proper answer:

    - You can't debug or do anything to the game's code. So that's that.

    - To solve the error, try and updating your graphics card or reinstalling the game. That is your only solution.

    However, this thread should not be in this forum. Please write it in the Bugs Forum and wait for a reply. If you don't get any, then no-one can help.
    </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    people are being more helpful in this forum. I have threads in the other two forums and no one has replyed.

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    im using AVG but the problem was occuring before we got this

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    And another question: Do you run this in fullscreen or windowed mode?

    Have you had this problem with any other game?

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    I run the game in full screen mode. All my other games worked fine except Medieval Total War 2 which I cna tinstall properly. But i can still play it but it is very slow and I cant watch any of the videos on the game. The file it cant install is a voice1.dat. something to do with a corrupt cab file i think.

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    Try forcing it to run in windowed mode (http://www.sigames.com/sibase.php?type=view&id=147), some video cards are buggy at some resolutions.

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    nope didnt work. it worked for a while but then it went. prob if i try it now it wont work within 5mins. mite not be able to get in touch over tis weekend but keep posting. I am truly thankful of your help. much mire useful then SI.

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    Ehm, I'm running out of ideas.

    Does Football Manager 2007 work for you, if you have it?

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    I'm having the same problem. this shows every time, 25 oktober 2007.

    screenshot:
    http://home.wanadoo.nl/jjvanoord/fout.jpg

    there are a lot of good things here, but i tried everything. I guess i'll restart my game and hope the same players will come....

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    Originally posted by Chezwig©:
    Is this thread a wind up?
    The question isn't, but some of the responses are hilarious. Even better is that the OP has no sense of humour of Sci-Fi backgound.

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    Originally posted by x42bn6:
    Ehm, I'm running out of ideas.

    Does Football Manager 2007 work for you, if you have it?
    i never had fm07 but fm06 worked. im waiting for my friend to let me borrow his fm07 because im not expecting fm08 to start working any time soon.

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    Originally posted by Dirkjan:
    I'm having the same problem. this shows every time, 25 oktober 2007.

    screenshot:
    http://home.wanadoo.nl/jjvanoord/fout.jpg

    there are a lot of good things here, but i tried everything. I guess i'll restart my game and hope the same players will come....
    tat the 1st pop up that comes up on mine but not at a certain date. Does anything else come up on yours.?

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    Originally posted by Dirkjan:
    I'm having the same problem. this shows every time, 25 oktober 2007.

    screenshot:
    http://home.wanadoo.nl/jjvanoord/fout.jpg

    there are a lot of good things here, but i tried everything. I guess i'll restart my game and hope the same players will come....
    What is the graphics card name of your computer?

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    Originally posted by mikemanutd:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by x42bn6:
    Ehm, I'm running out of ideas.

    Does Football Manager 2007 work for you, if you have it?
    i never had fm07 but fm06 worked. im waiting for my friend to let me borrow his fm07 because im not expecting fm08 to start working any time soon. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Did the demo of FM2007/ FM2008 work?

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    my grpahic card is Nvidia Geforce FX 5200 and yes the demo for fm07 did work on my pc.

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    how do u load the .exe into hex editor and wat is the .exe for fm08 is it fm.exe?
    No offence but if you're unsure on how to find the .exe I really don't think you're the man to be calling pure virtual functions, no matter how many E's you've swallowed this evening.

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    Originally posted by mikemanutd:
    well u had a thread that got 4000+ views bout this problem and no one helped me but it was on the bugs forum. so here it goes.... im just playing around on the game and then this happens
    1. Serious error had occured and the application must close. An error file has been placed in the Crash dumps folder. (nothing goes into the crash dumps folder)
    2. An error report comes up saying dont send or send. (this doesnt help in the slightest)
    3. Title of pop up: Microsoft Visual C++ Runtime Library error.
    Runtime Error
    (say what the game is and where)
    R6025:
    Pure Virtual Function Call



    microsoft say i need to call a pure virtual function and place a debugbreak in it but I dont know how to call it or place a debubreak in it.
    Sorry dont know how to place screen shots on the thread.

    Had a similar problem, with Ctash Dumps and all that. I uninstalled the game, deleted the patch and then re-installed it and the patch. My old save games work fine, as does the game.

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    @mikemanutd

    It's a massive task for anyone to find the root of your problem without sitting at your keyboard. There could be a thousand things that could be causing you a problem. Maybe a combination of several.

    Since it sounds like you've already reinstalled several times and have checked graphics drivers and suchlike, you've already discounted some of the common possibilities. The issue probably arises due to some kind of problem with either your hardware, your operating system (Windows) or some other software on your system which is/are causing conflicts. It is not uncommon for these problems to come to light while running FM, since, for a lot of users, FM is the most system-hungry application that they ever run.
    FM places a huge load on your system and needs a lot of resources (RAM, CPU time, etc) while running. When your PC is under heavy load like this, any number of small problems which normally go unnoticed, start to cause fatal errors.

    Anyhow, in order to get FM running, you may have to do a lot of work and you will either need a fair amount of knowledge to get there without causing more issues or you'll need to find a friend who can help you. Since some of the basic things like reinstalling and checking drivers didn't work, it's likely that you'll need to try some more technical stuff.

    I'm assuming that this problem first occurred several weeks/months ago? It is possible that something on your system changed and caused the error. Maybe something that you (or someone else) installed, either hardware or software. Have you considered using System Restore to roll back to a time that you know your system was stable?

    Some steps I'd advise (generally these will help with your PCs performance regardless of FM), would include...

    <UL TYPE=SQUARE> <LI>Get a copy of 'Adaware' or 'Spybot Search & Destroy' or even better, both. They are both available to download and they both have excellent free versions, search for them on Google. Running both of these will clear out any Adwareand/or Spyware from your system. If you've never done this before, you'll be amazed at how much they'll remove.

    <LI>Defrag your hard drive. Either with the dergragger built in to XP, or get any of the good free downloadable ones. It's unlikely that this will be the cause of your problem, but it may contribute and is always worth doing.

    <LI>Remove any unwanted software from your system, especially anything that was installed prior to the error developing.

    <LI>If it's viable, doing a clean reinstall of windows is a good option when all else has failed, but you will need to back up anything you cannot afford to lose. It is also possible to use the windows disk to repair your Windows installation, but I'm not sure how successful this might be.

    <LI>The best advice I can give is to register at one of the good PC Help sites, like PC Help Forum and check some of the posts on there. You're bound to find plenty of good advice, plus if you post your problem, the guys on there are usually very good at helping you get to the bottom of the problem.[/list]

    PHEW! I didn't intend to make that quite as long as it is. I hope that something in there helps (if any of it makes any sense ) and that you get to the bottom of it.

    Good Luck.

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    Originally posted by mikemanutd:
    im using AVG but the problem was occuring before we got this
    Not AVG, I'm using on a multitude of machines, 3 of which have FM2008 on.

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    Originally posted by mikemanutd:
    my grpahic card is Nvidia Geforce FX 5200 and yes the demo for fm07 did work on my pc.
    Please try the demo of FM2008 and see what's the behaviour.

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    What a fantastic thread

    Pure comedy.

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    Originally posted by Burscoughnian:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">

    how do u load the .exe into hex editor and wat is the .exe for fm08 is it fm.exe?
    No offence but if you're unsure on how to find the .exe I really don't think you're the man to be calling pure virtual functions, no matter how many E's you've swallowed this evening. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    yeah i know im not the man to be calling pure virtual functions

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    Originally posted by sam22:
    What a fantastic thread

    Pure comedy.
    if your not gonna be helpful and just take delight out of my problem then bog off

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    to betterspud, I already have spybot search & destroy I already have spybot seacha and destroy so tried that. I have already done a clean reinstall of windows...actually got a pro to do waste of time. I will try the defrag and PC Help forum.

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    lost of idea it seems, thanks for your help guys anyway.

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    Firstly a general tip someone mentioned system restore, using system restore to go back months is a hugely bad idea. It is designed to go back a day at the most.

    You say you have had the system wiped and reinstalled by a pro? Assuming he reinstalled it with all the latest drivers did you reinstall any other software that was on previously before running FM?
    If the answer is yes then it is possible this software is causing the conflict.

    However your problem sounds hardware related to be honest. As other people have mentioned the most likely causes of hardware conflicts are RAM, hard drive or graphics card.
    It is entirely possible that your hardware has a fault that is so minor it has not shown up in general use, but the strain FM is putting it under causes problems. Is there anyway you can get hold of spare parts and start trying them (you could ask a friend very very nicely lol).

    Change the RAM (as it is the easiest to do) and test the game. Change the graphics card (use latest drivers for the install) and test the game. The hard drive is another story it is unlikely anyone will have a spare hard drive lying about that you can install windows on but if you can get hold of one try this.

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    Originally posted by sam22:
    What a fantastic thread

    Pure comedy.

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    Try this!! Start up your computer without the game in it... then before you put the game give it a good wipe, insert the game and before you start it up and then threaten it!!
    That usually works for me

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    Originally posted by mikemanutd:
    microsoft say i need to call a pure virtual function and place a debugbreak in it but I dont know how to call it or place a debubreak in it.
    Sorry dont know how to place screen shots on the thread.
    Whoever told you that is ****ing ********.

    If you don't know what it means, then don't even attempt to do it. Seriously.



    Hey, stop that!

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    Originally posted by Chas (Psyatika):
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mikemanutd:
    microsoft say i need to call a pure virtual function and place a debugbreak in it but I dont know how to call it or place a debubreak in it.
    Sorry dont know how to place screen shots on the thread.
    Whoever told you that is ****ing ********.

    If you don't know what it means, then don't even attempt to do it. Seriously.



    Hey, stop that! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    i completely agree microsft the people who told me to do that are ****ing ********

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    Originally posted by hammersjj:
    Firstly a general tip someone mentioned system restore, using system restore to go back months is a hugely bad idea. It is designed to go back a day at the most.

    You say you have had the system wiped and reinstalled by a pro? Assuming he reinstalled it with all the latest drivers did you reinstall any other software that was on previously before running FM?
    If the answer is yes then it is possible this software is causing the conflict.

    However your problem sounds hardware related to be honest. As other people have mentioned the most likely causes of hardware conflicts are RAM, hard drive or graphics card.
    It is entirely possible that your hardware has a fault that is so minor it has not shown up in general use, but the strain FM is putting it under causes problems. Is there anyway you can get hold of spare parts and start trying them (you could ask a friend very very nicely lol).

    Change the RAM (as it is the easiest to do) and test the game. Change the graphics card (use latest drivers for the install) and test the game. The hard drive is another story it is unlikely anyone will have a spare hard drive lying about that you can install windows on but if you can get hold of one try this.
    when i had windows reinstalled the 1st thing i installed on the pc was fm08. the only things left on it were my documents and the word file in it, nero start smart, AVG and microsft word.

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    Ok there are enough people playing the game with nero, word and avg installed (me included) to rule those out.
    Like I said earlier it sounds like hardware, no pc engineer is going to take on he task of fixing a problem only caused by one game, well I wouldn't it is asking for trouble.

    You may be back to swapping parts yourself if you can borrow some.

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