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    Angry Fed up with FM09! Can i sell my copy?!

    After finally installing my copy of FM09 after getting a new graphics card, dvd drive and downloading the 9.1 patch, not to mention installing the huuuuuuuuuuuuge direct X SDK program, Ive given up, and im never buying a SI game again! I got the game to work, but its sooooooooooooo slow on my PC, I cant use any of the 3D functions, so its just FM08 with a few tweaks! Im not forking out more money to buy a new processor and hard drive just for this game so and im looking to sell

    I cant return it to playtime in town as they said its non refundable, would i be able to sell it on ebay? I hear you get 5 'seats' when it comes to using your keycode and when you un-install your game you redeem a seat back. Am i correct? I dont wanna flog it on ebay and then the buyer has to return it because the keycode is invalid.

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    Default Re: Fed up with FM09! Can i sell my copy?!

    Somewhere it has been confirmed that you can get all 5 seats back when uninstalling the game from all computers. Thus any buyer would have no disadvantage whatsoever from buying a used copy.

    Of course, if you keep your own installation after selling the game, that would be as good as piracy, not to mention that the buyer on Ebay would have the disadvantage of just 4 seats left.

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    Default Re: Fed up with FM09! Can i sell my copy?!

    I can honestly appreciate your frustration. I went about seven years without CM because I never had a computer that could play it.

    However, the game cannot stay static. It is always going to move forward and grow, just like any game. Eventually people are going to find that it is too big for their systems. That's when you make the choice; do you upgrade or not? I chose to upgrade and am glad I did because I now have a fantastic laptop and an awesome game. Still, you've decided you have to say goodbye, so fair enough. But you can't blame SI for continually moving forward.

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    Default Re: Fed up with FM09! Can i sell my copy?!

    so you're never buying an SI game again because your computer is to crap to run it well. Interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigy18181 View Post
    so you're never buying an SI game again because your computer is to crap to run it well. Interesting.
    I guess that's the harsh version of my post!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike7077 View Post
    I guess that's the harsh version of my post!
    lol yeah. You are right though, before FM 09 came out I upgraded to 3 gig of RAM, formatted my PC and put XP back on it from Vista so I could get the best performace for the game there was. If my Crap pc could not run it well then I would just not buy it, as simple as that. I would not claim to never buy an SI game again. I would keep playing the one I had until I had a PC that ran it well. Just what you said .

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigy18181 View Post
    lol yeah. You are right though, before FM 09 came out I upgraded to 3 gig of RAM, formatted my PC and put XP back on it from Vista so I could get the best performace for the game there was. If my Crap pc could not run it well then I would just not buy it, as simple as that. I would not claim to never buy an SI game again. I would keep playing the one I had until I had a PC that ran it well. Just what you said .
    I had a gap between CM97/98 and FM05 where I couldn't play because I didn't have a computer that could handle it. It sucked, but I didn't expect SI to restrict the game to cater to my specs. Same with FM09. I knew it would kill my laptop, so I bought a new one. That's not an option for everyone, but people can hardly expect SI not to progress the game for them.

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    Default Re: Fed up with FM09! Can i sell my copy?!

    nobody wud buy it off ya

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    Default Re: Fed up with FM09! Can i sell my copy?!

    Its illegal to re-sell any PC game so no you cant sell it

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    Default Re: Fed up with FM09! Can i sell my copy?!

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg0r View Post
    Its illegal to re-sell any PC game so no you cant sell it
    What about the thousands being re-sold on ebay and such sites?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg0r View Post
    Its illegal to re-sell any PC game so no you cant sell it
    As far as I'm aware the DRM of FM09 allows you to sell it on as long as you remove it entirely from all of your machines.

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    Default Re: Fed up with FM09! Can i sell my copy?!

    Its illegal yet it happens in every GAME or e&b (whatever they call themselves now) store..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg0r View Post
    Its illegal to re-sell any PC game so no you cant sell it
    well with this comment im really interested in you providing links to where this is stated, as i have never heard of it being illegal to re-sell any pc game.

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    Default Re: Fed up with FM09! Can i sell my copy?!

    This is a strange issue, because you don't need the disk to play it once you have authenticated. So is there anything to stop people installing and authenticating it, then simply taking it back to the shop?
    If there isn't anything to stop this, there should be!

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    Default Re: Fed up with FM09! Can i sell my copy?!

    Quote Originally Posted by Torres09 View Post
    This is a strange issue, because you don't need the disk to play it once you have authenticated. So is there anything to stop people installing and authenticating it, then simply taking it back to the shop?
    If there isn't anything to stop this, there should be!
    Yes - most stores dont take returns on PC games once they've been opened and there's no obvious physical error with the cd.

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    Default Re: Fed up with FM09! Can i sell my copy?!

    I understand that, and I am not gonna do it, but are there really NO shops who would give a refund with a receipt?

    What about he whole "got two copies for me birfday guvnor" line?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wakers View Post
    Yes - most stores dont take returns on PC games once they've been opened and there's no obvious physical error with the cd.
    And people who sell on Ebay while keeping installs of the game are legally pirating the game and also deceit the buyers if they don't state openly that the buyer does not get the initial 5 installs coming with the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg0r View Post
    Its illegal to re-sell any PC game so no you cant sell it
    Wrong. Many EULAs specify that you can sell the game to someone else PROVIDING you give up all rights to use the game, and don't keep any back ups etc. I haven't read all EULAs, so I've no idea if this is true of all or most of them, but many of the ones I've read say this (and yes, I always read the EULAs).

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    Default Re: Fed up with FM09! Can i sell my copy?!

    What about he whole "got two copies for me birfday guvnor" line?
    That line wouldn't work as why would you open both copies of the same game, and then return it?

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    Default Re: Fed up with FM09! Can i sell my copy?!

    Quote Originally Posted by Torres09 View Post
    I understand that, and I am not gonna do it, but are there really NO shops who would give a refund with a receipt?

    What about he whole "got two copies for me birfday guvnor" line?
    One of the copies should be unopened then, in which case they should offer a refund.

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    Damn you Riza (unless you're named after RZA, in which case I worship you).

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    "legally pirating" that's an oxymoron surely?

    Now I think about it, this is a really odd system to choose because of this possibility. Be realistic, who would really get in bother for doing it?

    I would like to reiterate that I am not interested in doing so, never have been, never will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GillsMan View Post
    Damn you Riza (unless you're named after RZA, in which case I worship you).
    And yes, I am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riza View Post
    That line wouldn't work as why would you open both copies of the same game, and then return it?
    Aaah, very good. You see, I am no criminal mastermind!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riza View Post
    And yes, I am.
    You absolute legend. When I chose my username I was so close to calling myself Giza, GZA or Genius. Sadly I didn't.

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    Default Re: Fed up with FM09! Can i sell my copy?!

    Gamestation do PC trade in games.

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    Default Re: Fed up with FM09! Can i sell my copy?!

    [QUOTE=Torres09;2090205]"legally pirating" that's an oxymoron surely?

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    I mean 'pirating from a legal point of view' obviously

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    Default Re: Fed up with FM09! Can i sell my copy?!

    People who buy stuff from Ebay should not be supported in any way by any company. Its an utterly stupid practice and any problems coming from an ebay purchase are fully deserved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wakers View Post
    People who buy stuff from Ebay should not be supported in any way by any company. Its an utterly stupid practice and any problems coming from an ebay purchase are fully deserved.
    Why do you say that out of interest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GillsMan View Post
    Why do you say that out of interest?
    Mostly because a great deal of stuff on Ebay is decidedly dodgy, and its plainly obvious, yet far too many people complain when they try and save a few £ buying something that looks dodgy and it either a) doesn't turn up, b) the guy runs off with their money or c) it doesn't work properly.

    Its evoluting a generation of Del Boy's, except half as smart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny c View Post
    After finally installing my copy of FM09 after getting a new graphics card, dvd drive and downloading the 9.1 patch, not to mention installing the huuuuuuuuuuuuge direct X SDK program, Ive given up, and im never buying a SI game again! I got the game to work, but its sooooooooooooo slow on my PC, I cant use any of the 3D functions, so its just FM08 with a few tweaks! Im not forking out more money to buy a new processor and hard drive just for this game so and im looking to sell

    I cant return it to playtime in town as they said its non refundable, would i be able to sell it on ebay? I hear you get 5 'seats' when it comes to using your keycode and when you un-install your game you redeem a seat back. Am i correct? I dont wanna flog it on ebay and then the buyer has to return it because the keycode is invalid.
    I feel for you Jonny c because FM09 is a fine game. I have a few issues with it but I'm still learning and that is probably the cause of the issues.

    It's a shame you don't have a PC that can run the game well but I still don't understand why you felt the need to say you would never buy an SI game again. Also the fact that you felt the need to highlight 'never' in big letters.

    It is not SI's fault you can't run the game. You're not the only one that seems to suggest this. Are SI obliged to stay in the past because a feature they add makes the game difficult to run on lower end PCs?

    Personally I never understood why they felt they had to go 3D. Player pressure and, I understand, CM going 3D put some incentive on it, but would fans really not have bought the game if it had remained dots on a screen?

    That's beside the point really, because SI have upgraded to 3D and I quite like it. I think they have done a good job. Upgrading a PC to be able to handle the 3D shouldn't be a trial, or expensive. My PC is about 2 years old and runs the game fine. I bought it for about £700 back then, so I wouldn't be surprised if a similar PC would be very cheap now. The components definitely shouldn't be.

    Add some more RAM and possibly a new vid card and maybe you'll be fine. That won't set you back a lot.

    Of course you may really not have the money, but you shouldn't be annoyed at SI for your pains.

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    Default Re: Fed up with FM09! Can i sell my copy?!

    Actually from all of the issues with FM that have arisen I find it interesting just how many people have really, really old graphics cards. I thought the average turnover of a computer was 3 years, but reading some of the issues on here it looks more like 6 years!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny c View Post
    After finally installing my copy of FM09 after getting a new graphics card, dvd drive and downloading the 9.1 patch, not to mention installing the huuuuuuuuuuuuge direct X SDK program, Ive given up, and im never buying a SI game again! I got the game to work, but its sooooooooooooo slow on my PC, I cant use any of the 3D functions, so its just FM08 with a few tweaks! Im not forking out more money to buy a new processor and hard drive just for this game so and im looking to sell

    I cant return it to playtime in town as they said its non refundable, would i be able to sell it on ebay? I hear you get 5 'seats' when it comes to using your keycode and when you un-install your game you redeem a seat back. Am i correct? I dont wanna flog it on ebay and then the buyer has to return it because the keycode is invalid.
    You said in the Support forum that your old PC had died and you were getting another one?- is this the new one you cant get it to work on, because this is unlikley unless you have got a very cheap one with no graphics capability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wakers View Post
    Mostly because a great deal of stuff on Ebay is decidedly dodgy, and its plainly obvious, yet far too many people complain when they try and save a few £ buying something that looks dodgy and it either a) doesn't turn up, b) the guy runs off with their money or c) it doesn't work properly.

    Its evoluting a generation of Del Boy's, except half as smart.
    This has nothing to do with Ebay, it's all down to the stupidity of buyers. If you use PayPal then your purchases are protected anyway so there's no problem.

    Ebay's great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chopper99 View Post
    This has nothing to do with Ebay, it's all down to the stupidity of buyers. If you use PayPal then your purchases are protected anyway so there's no problem.

    Ebay's great.
    Lets face it, Ebay makes their money on the stupidity of people.

    Also Ebay are notoriously slow at reacting to people selling dodgy items - unless they're threatened with a massive lawsuit.

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    Default Re: Fed up with FM09! Can i sell my copy?!

    I don't personally use eBay, but I know people that do. From what I've seen, if you're cautious and use a little common sense, you'll generally be fine. I've seen people get screwed over, but these are always people I'd expect to get screwed over anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wakers View Post
    Lets face it, Ebay makes their money on the stupidity of people.

    Also Ebay are notoriously slow at reacting to people selling dodgy items - unless they're threatened with a massive lawsuit.
    How do ebay make money from the stupidity of people? They make their money from sellers and not buyers.

    And if you consider, worldwide, the sheer amount of items up for sale at any one time it's very difficult for them to identify and remove things that are genuinely dodgy, even with people reporting them.

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    I'm not going to get into an argument about Ebay in this thread, its not the right place

    Suffice to say, I avoid it like the plague.

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    Default Re: Fed up with FM09! Can i sell my copy?!

    I've always thought that an odd statement. Who goes around actively trying to avoid the plague?

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    Default Re: Fed up with FM09! Can i sell my copy?!

    eBay and PayPal are no saints when it comes to protecting buyers, and PayPal's protection system doesn't seem all that watertight to me. However, I've bought loads of stuff on eBay and only once had a problem. It's a simple case of looking at the responses, the ratings, etc. I've bought PC games (mostly older games like Rollercoaster Tycoon that I wouldn't want to pay more than a couple of quid for) and never had a problem. But then I'm careful before I buy.

    I've also sold a lot of stuff on there, so I don't mind it.

    As for buying/selling FM09 - I haven't got the game yet, so I don't know what the EULA is, but assuming it's allowed, I'd buy it from there if the seller seemed legit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny c View Post
    After finally installing my copy of FM09 after getting a new graphics card, dvd drive and downloading the 9.1 patch, not to mention installing the huuuuuuuuuuuuge direct X SDK program, Ive given up, and im never buying a SI game again! I got the game to work, but its sooooooooooooo slow on my PC, I cant use any of the 3D functions, so its just FM08 with a few tweaks! Im not forking out more money to buy a new processor and hard drive just for this game so and im looking to sell
    It sounds to me that the problem is that your computer is possibly below the minimum supported specs. What exactly are your specs ie processor type and speed\amount of ram\hard drive space left. You say you got a new graphics card so what did you get ? Does it have an agp or pci-e or pci connection and how much on-board ram does it have.

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    Default Re: Fed up with FM09! Can i sell my copy?!

    i agree 100% loved the last FM but this one is a joke. Had all the same problems people have had with activation and downloading that 400 mb graphics facility and still cant play it because it just stays on a black loading screen doing sod all. waste of money and very dissapointing!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GillsMan View Post
    eBay and PayPal are no saints when it comes to protecting buyers, and PayPal's protection system doesn't seem all that watertight to me. However, I've bought loads of stuff on eBay and only once had a problem. It's a simple case of looking at the responses, the ratings, etc. I've bought PC games (mostly older games like Rollercoaster Tycoon that I wouldn't want to pay more than a couple of quid for) and never had a problem. But then I'm careful before I buy.

    I've also sold a lot of stuff on there, so I don't mind it.

    As for buying/selling FM09 - I haven't got the game yet, so I don't know what the EULA is, but assuming it's allowed, I'd buy it from there if the seller seemed legit.
    You mean you dont get a free copy for being a mod?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny c View Post
    After finally installing my copy of FM09 after getting a new graphics card, dvd drive and downloading the 9.1 patch, not to mention installing the huuuuuuuuuuuuge direct X SDK program, Ive given up, and im never buying a SI game again! I got the game to work, but its sooooooooooooo slow on my PC, I cant use any of the 3D functions, so its just FM08 with a few tweaks! Im not forking out more money to buy a new processor and hard drive just for this game so and im looking to sell

    I cant return it to playtime in town as they said its non refundable, would i be able to sell it on ebay? I hear you get 5 'seats' when it comes to using your keycode and when you un-install your game you redeem a seat back. Am i correct? I dont wanna flog it on ebay and then the buyer has to return it because the keycode is invalid.
    FIrst of all - sorry that you're struggling - that's unfortunate. However - if it runs slowly on your PC, it's probably an issue with your PC. It runs fine on my 3 year old laptop in full 3d.

    Customer Services will try and help you understand why this is if you need a little help - either contact them directly or PM me with contact details and I'll arrange a call back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xx11 View Post
    well with this comment im really interested in you providing links to where this is stated, as i have never heard of it being illegal to re-sell any pc game.
    My source is none other than SI's inept leader Miles

    http://community.sigames.com/showthr...70#post1885070

    posts 932 and 933

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg0r View Post
    My source is none other than SI's inept leader Miles

    http://community.sigames.com/showthr...70#post1885070

    posts 932 and 933
    A lot of companies now are going down the route of stopping people from trading their games in by using this sort of method of DRM. When I was working at Special Reserve we did trade-in of PC games but we had a list of specific games we were told that we were not to accept under any circumstances unless the game was still sealed in it's wrapper, and specifically games that were required to be registered on-line and in particular at the time Star Wars Galaxies, we also iirc had an issue with Half Life 2.

    I'm sure at some point in the future a lot of companies will explore the route of trying to stop people from trading in console games, a few companies have expressed a displeasure with people doing this, I think the main one being EA. Well surprise, surprise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torres09 View Post
    This is a strange issue, because you don't need the disk to play it once you have authenticated. So is there anything to stop people installing and authenticating it, then simply taking it back to the shop?
    If there isn't anything to stop this, there should be!
    Quote Originally Posted by FrazT View Post
    You said in the Support forum that your old PC had died and you were getting another one?- is this the new one you cant get it to work on, because this is unlikley unless you have got a very cheap one with no graphics capability.
    I didnt know you could play the game without the CD, ive uninstalled the game from my system now, and its in a jiffy bag ready for someone to buy it from me.

    Fraz T, My old pc had died, I purchased a minimum spec pc from my friend, and borrowed a suitable graphics card from a housemates old PC. Hoping all this would at least run FM, which it did, but painfully slow.

    The game is indeed fantastic, but the slow running of the game just sent me over the edge. I think its just the culmination of the things that have gone wrong with this game for me, and the fact i was umming and arring over buying it in the first place as I couldnt afford it. I was mad at myself, and yes i was harsh to say i would never buy a game again.

    Thanks to everyone for supplying support, and thanks Matt for offering to help. It would make more sense to me to try and redeem my money rather than fork out to upgrade my PC!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny c View Post
    I didnt know you could play the game without the CD, ive uninstalled the game from my system now, and its in a jiffy bag ready for someone to buy it from me.
    You do realise that, in order to sell the game, you legally need to uninstall it from your computer first?

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    Default Re: Fed up with FM09! Can i sell my copy?!

    Quote Originally Posted by GillsMan View Post
    You do realise that, in order to sell the game, you legally need to uninstall it from your computer first?
    That's what he said he did

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    Quote Originally Posted by GillsMan View Post
    You do realise that, in order to sell the game, you legally need to uninstall it from your computer first?
    Most people wouldn't, as most games require CD in drive to play and as such while you technically have to uninstall it, you can't play without the disk (or a 3rd party addon, but then it's clear cut piracy anyway) so it's not really an issue.

    I'm pretty happy that the two non-MMO games i'm playing at the moment are both quite legally, as installed off of the disk "no cd in drive", FM09 and Fallout 3.

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    Default Re: Fed up with FM09! Can i sell my copy?!

    Quote Originally Posted by GillsMan View Post
    You do realise that, in order to sell the game, you legally need to uninstall it from your computer first?
    I have uninstalled it, I said that in my post. The buyer will have all 5 'uses' or 'seats' as they are called.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jayahr View Post
    That's what he said he did
    Good, just checking!

    Quote Originally Posted by r0x0r View Post
    Most people wouldn't, as most games require CD in drive to play and as such while you technically have to uninstall it, you can't play without the disk (or a 3rd party addon, but then it's clear cut piracy anyway) so it's not really an issue.

    I'm pretty happy that the two non-MMO games i'm playing at the moment are both quite legally, as installed off of the disk "no cd in drive", FM09 and Fallout 3.
    I didn't quite follow your point, but I was just reiterating the point that you can't keep a game installed on your machine (especially one that doesn't require a CD in the drive like FM09) and sell the game as well. So you can't buy the game, install it on your machine, sell the game, and continue to play the game. Probably everyone already knew this anyway, so perhaps I needn't have posted!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny c View Post
    I have uninstalled it, I said that in my post. The buyer will have all 5 'uses' or 'seats' as they are called.
    Yeah, my bad, I didn't read your post properly, apologies.

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    Default Re: Fed up with FM09! Can i sell my copy?!

    Quote Originally Posted by GillsMan View Post
    Yeah, my bad, I didn't read your post properly, apologies.
    Yeah I had no intention of keeping the game installed as it took up a lot of space on my hard drive. If anything i will re-install fm08 if i want to play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny c View Post
    Yeah I had no intention of keeping the game installed as it took up a lot of space on my hard drive. If anything i will re-install fm08 if i want to play.
    jonny c, can you let me know the specs of your pc? It sounds like there may be a simple (and potentially cost effective) way of getting the game to work. I can hear the frustration in your posts and it sounds like you would love to play the game but need a little help. If you don't want to then fair enough but it's a shame becasue I think this is possibly one of the best incarnations of the game ever!

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    Default Re: Fed up with FM09! Can i sell my copy?!

    I have no problem with people lending or reselling the game (once fully uninstalled).

    Just as I don't allow the bible or some other religious text dictate what I do with my life, why should I let the EULA dictate to me what I do or don't do as long as I know the difference between right and wrong.

    Just because there's some convention out there or law out there does not mean that the law, convention or text is morally justified.

    Lets face it, there's a million things far, far worse in our world than people lending, renting or reselling original copies of software.

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    Default Re: Fed up with FM09! Can i sell my copy?!

    I can understand jonny. The game is very slow, even if my PC meets the recommended specs. I've had the chance to see the game up close at a friends place with the patch as well (I haven't bought the game yet). He has more or less the exact same specs I have, nothing new or fancy but meets the specs no problem. I had the same problems on the demo as I had on FM08 pre-patch, meaning the menues and such were ultra slow and not very responsive. I could click several times before a menu opened etc. Neither me or my friend have any problems with the 3D though, but the 2D lags as a result of the 3D playing in the background I think. It's the slow menues that really is putting me off getting this game at all. It was a problem on FM08 but was fixed in the 1st patch I think it was, and I've seen others talking about this on here as well since the demo.

    I can understand that the specs and stuff go up by each year, and it should! However I fail to really understand what makes the menues so slow, is it like last year a bug sort of problem or is it something else in the game that maxes out my CPU despite that there is no game played by me or in the background? It's just that this was a problem on the demo for me and that was just the English leagues...I'm not sure I wanna sit and wait for all the loading and CPU problems with more leagues running. It took about 15 years with about 20+ leagues (8 countries) on FM08 before the game became as slow as FM09 seems to be this year with only 7 leagues (1 country). And I belive that was a memory thing (90%+ used), since then I have added another 1GB memory and this is not a issue anymore. My feeling is that the game should run very much like FM08, except the match engine might need more power this year.

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    Default Re: Fed up with FM09! Can i sell my copy?!

    A lot of companies now are going down the route of stopping people from trading their games in by using this sort of method of DRM. When I was working at Special Reserve we did trade-in of PC games but we had a list of specific games we were told that we were not to accept under any circumstances unless the game was still sealed in it's wrapper, and specifically games that were required to be registered on-line and in particular at the time Star Wars Galaxies, we also iirc had an issue with Half Life 2.

    I'm sure at some point in the future a lot of companies will explore the route of trying to stop people from trading in console games, a few companies have expressed a displeasure with people doing this, I think the main one being EA. Well surprise, surprise.


    I can't see how this could ever stand up in a court if challenged. It would mean that no matter what you bought you could never re-sell it again think records,cd's, dvd,s even players etc etc. I think most people believe when they buy something it is there's to dispose of as they wish as long as they aren't breaking any copyright laws ie copying/pirating etc. Before someone comes on spouting about only buying a licence to play the game and not the game then I doubt very much that argument would stand up in a court of law as long as someone is genuinely selling the game and all the licences given at the time of purchase.

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    Default Re: Fed up with FM09! Can i sell my copy?!

    Quote Originally Posted by bluesjunior View Post
    A lot of companies now are going down the route of stopping people from trading their games in by using this sort of method of DRM. When I was working at Special Reserve we did trade-in of PC games but we had a list of specific games we were told that we were not to accept under any circumstances unless the game was still sealed in it's wrapper, and specifically games that were required to be registered on-line and in particular at the time Star Wars Galaxies, we also iirc had an issue with Half Life 2.

    I'm sure at some point in the future a lot of companies will explore the route of trying to stop people from trading in console games, a few companies have expressed a displeasure with people doing this, I think the main one being EA. Well surprise, surprise..

    I can't see how this could ever stand up in a court if challenged. It would mean that no matter what you bought you could never re-sell it again think records,cd's, dvd,s even players etc etc. I think most people believe when they buy something it is there's to dispose of as they wish as long as they aren't breaking any copyright laws ie copying/pirating etc. Before someone comes on spouting about only buying a licence to play the game and not the game then I doubt very much that argument would stand up in a court of law as long as someone is genuinely selling the game and all the licences given at the time of purchase

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    yeah, EULA have never really been challenged in court and there's lots of debate on how well your average modern PC game EULA would hold up at all. This counts double when they're so called 'shrink wrap licenses' I.E ones you cannot access without already having purchased and opened the game (making it unreturnable in most shops). So if you DO object to, say, the use of in-game advertising that the EULA mentions, your only option in their eyes is to cancel the installation and put the DVD back in the case, having wasted £30 because it's also 'not for resale' in SI's eyes. It's one thing to not be able to 'trade in' an MMO game where the subscription system makes the copy useless to anyone other than the initial buyer, or something like HL2 that REQUIRES Steam, but something like FM09 doesn't magically become illegal to resell just because SI tell you 'yo, it's illegal to resell this'. I'd imagine if it was, they'd have been on Gamestation's back years ago and would have an open and shut case.

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    Angry Re: Fed up with FM09! Can i sell my copy?!

    I've had it with this game too. Bought it in a rush from Steam through a weblink from FM website, taken for granted that FM always works on Mac, only to realise that Steam is not running on Mac! Tried to contact Steam Support for refund but I can't even reach them. The f*c*ing email support is not working at all.

    I do have a small laptop PC with matching specs (Acer Aspire One) but who would have thought that the box copy mentions the game only work on 1024x768 screen or better. I don't and didn't see this warning on the web when I purchased it. Can I sue SI or SEGA on this?

    So here I am, having a Mac and a laptop PC and yet still can't play the game I just bought. I guess I would just sell on eBay later. If any of you interested on buying this, please PM me. I can pass over my Steam account. Price is negotiable. I can't play it anyway, so let you decide how much is it worth.

    I WILL NOT BUY YOUR FM SERIES AGAIN!! REMEMBER THAT SIGAMES!! YOUR TEAM-UP WITH STEAM STINKS!!

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    Default Re: Fed up with FM09! Can i sell my copy?!

    activated with uniloc so steam not an issue here. do wish that somehow through a patch si could make the 2d engine more stable playing in commentary mode (CM )

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    Default Re: Fed up with FM09! Can i sell my copy?!

    U will all be happy to know, i re-bought FM09 after finally solving the issue with my pc! It still runs slow, but i can bear it! Thanks to everyone who has helped in this thread! Time to hit the boards for players!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny c View Post
    U will all be happy to know, i re-bought FM09 after finally solving the issue with my pc! It still runs slow, but i can bear it! Thanks to everyone who has helped in this thread! Time to hit the boards for players!
    What was the issue with your PC jonny c?

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    Default Re: Fed up with FM09! Can i sell my copy?!

    Quote Originally Posted by JonPaulWild View Post
    I have no problem with people lending or reselling the game (once fully uninstalled).

    Just as I don't allow the bible or some other religious text dictate what I do with my life, why should I let the EULA dictate to me what I do or don't do as long as I know the difference between right and wrong.

    Just because there's some convention out there or law out there does not mean that the law, convention or text is morally justified.

    Lets face it, there's a million things far, far worse in our world than people lending, renting or reselling original copies of software.
    Damn Conformists

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny c View Post
    After finally installing my copy of FM09 after getting a new graphics card, dvd drive and downloading the 9.1 patch, not to mention installing the huuuuuuuuuuuuge direct X SDK program, Ive given up, and im never buying a SI game again! I got the game to work, but its sooooooooooooo slow on my PC, I cant use any of the 3D functions, so its just FM08 with a few tweaks! Im not forking out more money to buy a new processor and hard drive just for this game so and im looking to sell

    I cant return it to playtime in town as they said its non refundable, would i be able to sell it on ebay? I hear you get 5 'seats' when it comes to using your keycode and when you un-install your game you redeem a seat back. Am i correct? I dont wanna flog it on ebay and then the buyer has to return it because the keycode is invalid.
    next time check out the game specs and your pc specs before buying any games, if you dont do that then I guess it's your own fault I am affraid.

    And who cares about 3d stuff ? you've played many cm/fm's without it, and also you might have forgotten to upgrade your ram and processor, if you couldn't afford it, then it's your own fault you bought a game that you kind of new would run slow.

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    Default Re: Fed up with FM09! Can i sell my copy?!

    didnt know it would run slow, i wasnt planning on using the 3d aspect of the game, just disapointed that the 2d runs slow! Upgraded parts of my pc so it runs at a moderate pace. Its a great game tho.

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    Default Re: Fed up with FM09! Can i sell my copy?!

    Hey look at me, I found the 'bold' button?!?!

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