The Danny Roberts Challenge : Difficulty GODLIKE (Part 3)

**minisav** · 14-07-2009 20:45

In the updates can you say how old he is? Just so if I'm only skimming through

**NepentheZ** · 14-07-2009 20:48

**dafuge** · 14-07-2009 20:54

Danny's international record was also pretty impressive, especially since he scored more goals for England when I wasn't the manager than when I was.

Great to see that 3000 getting closer

**NepentheZ** · 14-07-2009 22:02

Yeah, thats a really good record daf.

**Thistles * player** · 15-07-2009 05:54

Did Danny Roberts just have almost every stat at 20 or was it some unbeatable tactic?

**Cysne** · 15-07-2009 15:15

That's some insane scoring.. Jeees, started a NI game to see if I can do something like in 2009.

roberto922 · 15-07-2009 15:18

He is out of this world.

**markymarky** · 15-07-2009 16:43

eesh Nepen, Gareth Black's record is crazy. How did he manage that? But I laugh at his pitiful penalty rating, and say that my boy Corrado still wins because his record is conceivable in the real world.

Incidentally, he finished up at 170 caps, 160 goals. For most of his career he was better than a goal a game for the national team (something he only managed for one or two seasons at club level, I think), but it was not to be. It would've been more if I hadn't given my equally legendary goalkeeper the order to take penalties for a single game. His record at retirement - 180 caps, 3 goals.

**NepentheZ** · 15-07-2009 16:45

England were a dominant force. And I was manager. And yes, I set up the odd friendly v Seychelles and Cape Verde

But he finished top scorer in 2 world cups too.

**mag man** · 15-07-2009 16:49

I find the fact that you have a player score so many goals when you play two up-top amazing

**NepentheZ** · 15-07-2009 16:56

Yeah. And the other guy[s] usually get about 120-150 between them too. Now that I have a solid partner for Smylie, [In Youth Player 1] - if they both stay fit, I can see them both scoring 130+ each this season. Which would be a dream. I hope Smylie still bags 180ish, because he needs 6 seasons at 150 to get 3,000 goals. And he's going to be 30 next birthday, so that might not be possible.

I dare not change my tactic either. Its worked for so many years, that I feel a change would see the demise of my goals. Although, it could also do the opposite and make me win every game 20-0

Who knows.

**el sid** · 15-07-2009 17:12

Don't change your tactic

**Cardiomolester** · 15-07-2009 18:01

Nep. I'll soon be joining you in an FM08 Northern Irish adventure (see my thread) and maybe you could share the tactic?

**NepentheZ** · 15-07-2009 18:07

The Tactic.

I'll follow your thread with interest, CV

**Cardiomolester** · 15-07-2009 18:48

It's not up, my previous thread has explanation to why I'm going back to 08. Overheating flt

**NepentheZ** · 19-07-2009 18:12

**minisav** · 19-07-2009 20:22

Hopefully he does it

Good luck!

**PaulHartman71** · 19-07-2009 20:55

suppose if he doesn't do it, at least he will have surpassed the 2.5K mark

**Cysne** · 19-07-2009 21:10

Just found a striker that can hit 50goals a year, but a shame he's 29 now! Hopefully i'll start getting class regens with the worlds best facilitys.

**hamilton162** · 20-07-2009 08:59

A great achievement Nep even to get him to where he is! Hopefully he can hit 1,000 and the golden 3,000 mark

**santy001** · 21-07-2009 01:47

Time to throw my name into the hat at the suggestion of Nepenthez. Keirrison will, this summer have entered the history books as having passed 1000 goals for the club. With over a hundred for Brazil as well. I'll post up his stats at the end of the season, but I have anouther striker to bring to the table for now. May stand a chance of reaching the 1,000 mark once this season is over I'll get posting up his details as well so that the first 4 seasons are complete information.

**NepentheZ** · 21-07-2009 03:23

Good man santy, thanks for coming over

**santy001** · 21-07-2009 22:05

Keirrison is currently out for another 5 months, having suffered an injury towards the end of the season, and at 33, I'm not expecting him to recover to his former prowess. Anyway, here's is stats for me:

Overall Scoring record for Stoke

Away from Stoke (his time at Cortiba, Real Madrid and with Brazil) he scored another 290 goals. Meaning his career total is, 1400 goals from 772 games. I think in the next 2 years he'll go on to manage 1500 overall, but another 400 goals for stoke before he retires is unlikely. But now its time to begin looking at his replacement:

Leigh Stones

2017 | Games: 12 (3) | Goals: 9 | Assists: 4 | MoM: 2 | GpG: 0.6
2018 | Games: 6 (16) | Goals: 23 | Assists: 1 | MoM: 7 | GpG: 1.04
2019 | Games: 17 (7) | Goals: 44 | Assists: 14 | MoM: 6 | GpG: 1.83
2020 | Games: 20 (3) | Goals: 34 | Assists: 9 | MoM: 9 | GpG: 1.47

He got some games because of an injury crisis during the season 2017 when he was 14, he's currently 17 with his next birthday coming up quite soon (3rd of August) got a total of 110 goals so far from 83 games. As well as 9 goals for England from 9 appearances.

This next season he will be stepping up to replace Keirrison in my team as much as is suitable for an 18 year old, he'll be rested every game or two or subbed off to preserve him in the long run, he's not been injured yet which is hopefully a good sign of things to come, Keirrison had a habit of getting minor knee injuries during his career, with this latest one almost ending it for him I don't want him going down the same route, but he has about 15 years left in my side to get 900 goals, I think he will be easily capable of it in the long-run, providing I can keep building my team around him. Although during the last few years I've made some right clangers in terms of the selling players department.

**NepentheZ** · 21-07-2009 22:25

Good post dude. I don't know how you play with that skin though, its awful.

Kerrison has scored loads man, thats incredible.

**santy001** · 21-07-2009 22:32

I quite like it, have to keep a light on now though because otherwise tabbing in the dark between fm and these forums is a shock to the system my eyes can't handle. The only truly tragic thing is, before I got the Brazil job, Keirrison only had like 15 - 20 caps for the national side, despite having almost a 2-1 goals to game ration then, he was behind Marquinhos and Pato in the pecking order. He's only had about 4 years as first choice for Brazil.

**NepentheZ** · 21-07-2009 22:40

gutted. I can't wait 'till the N. Ireland manager resigns / gets sacked / retired. He's been in FM08 since the 2005-6 season, with Glenavon, in 2007-08 went to Birmingham, in 2011-12 went to Southampton, and then in 2015-16 moved to Everton. He retired in 2024-25 from playing, and then in 2026 took over as N. Ireland Manager. Its now 2046, and he is still there. And most likely, because of me, and the players I produce for the national team. So basically, he's always doing more than expected, because of my success. Which leads me to believe, he will never get the sack, and I have to wait until he retires before I get the N. Ireland job. Considering he is 56, that coul be anything from 1 year, to 20.

**santy001** · 21-07-2009 23:14

Brazil were under achieving enormously, although now I have Stones coming through, I need to trounce England in the confederations cup, and world cup to hopefully get the england job. Keirrison and Stones should be a good partnership for a few years to come, in order to compensate for his lacking pace may have to ask him to unlearn trying to break the offside trap and make his mentality further up so he stays further up the pitch.

**markymarky** · 22-07-2009 16:41

so I got a new computer and decided to try moving into the future with the FM09 demo. With Pato and Inzaghi currently both on about 30 hours without a goal and only Pirlo penalties saving me from never ever scoring ever, I get the feeling that I'll never be an active force in this topic.

**NepentheZ** · 22-07-2009 17:07

**NepentheZ** · 22-07-2009 17:09

Oh, also, I'll be adding YP1's progress on here at some point today. He hit his 500th goal for Knockbreda this season.

**hamilton162** · 22-07-2009 17:10

Great news that Nep

Do you reckon he can hit 3000? And what do you reckon YP1 (Dunlop IIRC) will get? More or less than Smylie?

**NepentheZ** · 22-07-2009 17:42

Smylie will almost definitely get 3,000. He'll bag 130-150 for 3 more seasons, which will take him to 34. Wallace retired age 37. So he might get as many as 3,400 or 3,500.

I don't think dunlop will get close to smylie, because smylie still has 7 more years as the main man, which means when he retires, Dunlop will be 30. And only then will he move into Smylies position on the right side. He may get around 1600 to 1800. 2,000 would be a massive push, and a special achievement if he made it that far.

**santy001** · 22-07-2009 17:56

In the building of my team to support keirrison through to his players pension, and Stones through his prime Stoke announced a 'staggering' loss of 115m due to transfer expenditure of 234m (on 2 players). Quite amusing to see I've lost that much money and it makes no difference to my bank balance at all, if I go below 700m the chairman injects 700m lol.

Keirrison should be back in training by the end of august (targetting an end of september return to the first team), I sacked my physio (realised he only had 8 for physio - after being at the club since the second season in the game - and that was the best) and brought in some others, and the injury time went from 1 - 3 months in the middle of july to 4 - 6 weeks.

Anyway, this post is just a recap of Stones pre-season, 19 goals in 8 appearances isn't a bad start for the lad. If you have any saves perhaps you should take Smylie into the premiership see how he fares there, or even move your entire team across if theres any editors that facilitate it, just as an experiment - see whether you robbed him of a legendary career at the top lol.

For Stone's to become as good as Keirrison I think he really needs to bag a good 70 - 80 goals this season, he has the potential to be better according to my coaching staff, and he's progressed very well up until the point he's at now.

**NepentheZ** · 22-07-2009 18:03

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, Smylie is now regarded as a "Legendary Midifielder"

despite the fact he has scored nearly 3,000 goals

Some midfielder.

roberto922 · 22-07-2009 18:32

Doesn't want to stay in the game

**hamilton162** · 22-07-2009 18:46

Just spotted that as well roberto

Nep, you need to convince him to stay on after he stops playing as a coach. Tell him every month through player interaction that he'd make a good coach and he'll change his mind

**santy001** · 22-07-2009 20:21

How many goals did Danny Roberts manage in his career btw, I know Keirrison has no chance of beating Smylie now, but I would like him to be as the highest known premiership scorer we've had on these forums. It's a shame Keirrison didn't come to my side at 16 though, what a legend he could have been if I'd had him 4 years earlier.

**NepentheZ** · 22-07-2009 23:14

Originally Posted by roberto922

Doesn't want to stay in the game

Originally Posted by hamilton162

Just spotted that as well roberto

Nep, you need to convince him to stay on after he stops playing as a coach. Tell him every month through player interaction that he'd make a good coach and he'll change his mind

I've tried using the media to get him to stay in the game, but it keeps changing back to won't stay in the game.

Originally Posted by santy001

How many goals did Danny Roberts manage in his career btw, I know Keirrison has no chance of beating Smylie now, but I would like him to be as the highest known premiership scorer we've had on these forums. It's a shame Keirrison didn't come to my side at 16 though, what a legend he could have been if I'd had him 4 years earlier.

I don't remember exactly, but I'm sure Kerrison has already scored more. Roberts got about 1,100 prem goals, + England goals

**santy001** · 23-07-2009 01:47

Keirrison on his return scored 8 goals against West Brom (in part of a 16-0 win lol), which was nice to see, still has the killer touch it seems at times, didn't score in the second. I'm working on trying to persuade Keirrison to stay in the game, but I'm beginning to suspect he won't. I do have another challenge at Stoke which is to try and get a player to outlast the legendary Stanley Matthews who managed 50 years and 5 days. Closest on any FM I got was Gary Neville on FM07 who got to 49 so I'm hoping with 20 games a season or so Keirrison keeps going like him.

I've never had a first team regular announce retirement on this game, and have tested the theory on a couple of lower league saves with players in their latter 40's so if he stays injury free it could add a reason to keep playing this save longer.

**santy001** · 23-07-2009 22:00

Not sure if you have this with Smylie now as he's getting older, but has his consistency dropped? Keirrison has for the first time in many years been going a couple of games without a goal now. But then, he goes and takes the mick a bit by scoring a truck load in one or two games (8 against West Brom, and 12 against Derby).

I have found the way he scores so many against these teams, tell the media I'm going all out, play defensively and put Keirrison's mentality slider up. He goes to town on them, but it hasn't worked against established premier league clubs and higher. I'm just praying in the FA cup I get non-league/league 2 opposition (which surprisingly, in over 10 years hasn't happened).

Another query is about u21 caps/goals do they count as well in to a players career total. It's just that at the moment, Stones plays more often than not for both the senior and u21 side. He must have a bucket load of goals for the u21's.

**NepentheZ** · 24-07-2009 00:35

I can't really say if his consistency is flailing or not. He had a bad start to last season, but that was because of something I was trying out tactically that failed. He scored 2.7 GPG last season, which is a fantastic average for a 31 year old

U21 Caps and Goals do not count. Because the Full caps override the U21s, it was just easier to discount them. Also, when talking about a player in the international term, you never hear about the U21 stuff, unless they're quite new to the full sqaud. [For example, you don't hear the fact that Michael Owen has scored 48 goals for England, you only hear about his Full Cap goals]

**santy001** · 24-07-2009 01:17

Fair enough, just wondered if they did count. After looking at Smylie's record, I'm always looking at my strikers thinking its not good enough but then realise an average of 2+ a game is actually excellent. My team is doing quite well though, 14 played, 81 scored so my side are scoring more than ever. Just wish I hadn't loaded so much so I could fly through my seasons lol.

**NepentheZ** · 24-07-2009 01:28

haha, yeah.

Smylies international record is crazy too. He has 51 goals in 92 caps so far, and they ALWAYS play him in CM position, which is stupid.

**santy001** · 24-07-2009 01:37

Keirrison's brazil record is insane, but its largely due to the sheer lack of any remote competitiveness in south america. The qualifiers are a joke for the world cup, scored 94 goals in qualifiers, which were mostly from Keirrison. He's got 153 goals from 77 caps. The best team I've played aside from England in the confederations cup, in the last 3 years is USA.

**santy001** · 28-07-2009 13:39

I made some changes to my tactic, and I have no clue what happened because of it... currently mid-march and my team is playing like never before.

Stones - played 46 - scored 111 - 53 assists
Keirrison - played 37 - scored 125 - 38 assists

But for the first time not only have I got 2 strikers free-scoring, my midfield has contributed 80 goals already, and has 171 assists.

My team has already scored 337 in 47 games (7.2 goals a game), the changes I made were mainly upfront, I gave Leigh Stones the instructions Keirrison had, and did away with the targetman other striker and just put him a bit further up the pitch and gave him a free-role.

Mind you, the spanish league pinched a lot of the good managers from the premier league over the course of the last 18 months. In the thread about AI managers being poor etc I did on the general I mentioned it in there, basically the 5 or 6 remaining good managers have gone from England to Spain, Real Madrids rediculous domination has ended, but its made the English league far too easy.

**mag man** · 28-07-2009 14:23

Outrageous goal return. How are you doing that?

**santy001** · 28-07-2009 14:41

I tried changes to facilitate Keirrisons declining stats now, with the other striker meant to take over his role in the team. But in the last 5 games my team had:

127 shots
66 on target

There were 2 games against Valencia, 1 against Chelsea, 1 against Arsenal and 1 against championship side Cardiff in the FA cup. AI teams have deteriorated enormously. But when creating that many chances going to end up finishing a fair amount. Against weaker teams my shots per game are probably quite a bit higher.

On the general board I put up a thread about how AI managers CA's were becoming lower and lower in the premiership, and its probably getting lower and lower.

**santy001** · 07-08-2009 15:58

The decision to bring in a new CM and LM definitely helped my side score more goals, as did the changes to further increase how far upfield my frontline played. Stones ended up playing 65 games this year, I think he missed 1 maybe 2 games at most as he's had an injury free season. Managed a total of 152 goals, and 72 assists which I was astonished by. The best I've ever had from a single player before is just below the 40 mark, but he's often knocking it on to Keirrison who scores a lot, but my wingers both also score quite easily now, as do my CM's.

Leigh Stones 2020
Leigh Stones 2021

2017 | Games: 12 (3) | Goals: 9 | Assists: 4 | MoM: 2 | GpG: 0.6
2018 | Games: 6 (16) | Goals: 23 | Assists: 1 | MoM: 7 | GpG: 1.04
2019 | Games: 17 (7) | Goals: 44 | Assists: 14 | MoM: 6 | GpG: 1.83
2020 | Games: 20 (3) | Goals: 34 | Assists: 9 | MoM: 9 | GpG: 1.47
2021 | Games: 65 (0) | Goals: 152 | Assists: 72 | MoM: 30 | GpG: 2.33

It does seem any relatively quick player in the Keirrison role will score a hatful, but this season my main title contenders were gone, Cardiff had already been relegated (the previous season they went from predicted 3rd and finished second bottom); Leeds only just scraped survival this season after being predicted 2nd and Watford were in mid-table anonymity. Arsenal are now playing a team of ageing veterans and my cast-offs. There was a shock though as Blackpool held me to a 2-2 draw, and they finished 8th and are beginning to look very dangerous against some teams as they took some pretty impressive (for my save at least) names down last season, and Wycombe are becoming big-boys as well.

Stones has a career total of 278 goals so far for club and country, turns 19 in a couple of months. Before its asked, yes I groomed him in the same manner as Keirrison, but at 14/15 years old, so he's been doing it for a while already, just keeping his competance in both CM and CB up every few months, carefully managing his career. It's slowing my seasons down a lot, as you can see 3 weeks to complete a season because I spend all my time focusing on this lad lol.

**mag man** · 07-08-2009 16:18

Thats just amazing. You using the same tactic as the one posted in the tactic forum. I wouldnt mind giving it a try to see if I can have similar results.

**santy001** · 08-08-2009 09:36

It has been modified a little bit to accomodate an ageing Keirrison and to try and get it away from the reliance on a targetman because neither one of the two I have upfront now is a targetman. It's also given them more creative freedom, and a few minor things like that.

**hamilton162** · 15-08-2009 20:27

Just as a quick update from me, FC United and Bernard Brennan. The Irishman is now onto 297 goals for club and country at the age of 25. At this rate, he'll score 891 goals if he plays until he's 35 and keeps scoring at that rate. I doubt that he'll reach that tbh, but if he has a few of monster seasons like he had the season before last, he might be in with a shout

'Mon Bernard, to 500 and beyond

Edit: And the 300 is up

**santy001** · 17-08-2009 15:12

If you play it right, train him right during pre-seasons etc like I've done with Keirrison, there's no reason he couldn't still keep putting in relatively good performances. Keirrison is edging ever closer to 34 on my game, but I decided to slow my game a bit to accomodate his lack of pace, push him further up the pitch. Last season he had his best year yet, scoring 170 goals literally being 1 goal off a 3 goals per game ratio, if you only count the games he started (I subbed him on when he was on his way back from injury last season) he would have broke the barrier for the first time in his career. Although this season he's become a bit slower again over the summer, he's still got 36 from 20 games so far.

I missed what was probably Keirrisons two best years of his career had he been under my management, will definitely be at his most lethal from about 27 - 29 and really just keep plugging away at it.

Leigh Stones also passed the 300 goals mark in his last game, currently averaging 1.78 goals per game so far over his career. If he keeps that up for another 16 years, 65 games a season then he should score another 1,851 goals lol. Although if he keeps up his rate of last season of 2.3 goals per game, which he should be staying around as he comes into his prime, he should score 2,392 lol. I think thats quite an accurate prediction of the scope he will be in by the time he's 35 if I get that far. Somewhere between 2,100 and 2,700 goals lol.

**hamilton162** · 17-08-2009 15:17

Yeah. Brennan's been playing better than ever this season and is on course to break his record of 75 goals in a season

He's got 46 from 36 games so far and we've got around 30 games left in all comps, assuming i get to the finals of everything. A change in tactic from 4-4-2 to 4-2-3-1 has helped him as he is now the lone striker, meaning he scores more goals than ever

**santy001** · 17-08-2009 15:31

I've begun toying with a similar system for Stones when Keirrison finally decides enough is enough. Also considering droppng Keirrison back since he has reasonable creativity, and using him to feed the ball through to Stones, because all too often I'm seeing him fail to beat the defender now. It is a shame when a player you like so much begins to fade.

Also, how does your chance creation go with that type of tactic, I notice my team are a lot more clinical, get 5 chances, score 3 or 4. But I'm used to seeing a team create 20 - 30 chances a match sometimes score 2 - 3 sometimes score 9/10 lol.

**hamilton162** · 17-08-2009 15:37

The tactic works really well as i've got loads of brilliant players who lay chances on a plate for Brennan, which he usually scores from.

When Brennan has passed his peak, i'll be very sad as he's the greatest player i've ever had on any FM

**kroblues** · 17-08-2009 16:19

I think I may have a player who could do this. He's 20 atm and got 71 goals last season, so theoretically he has a chance if he keeps up that rate. He was injured for about 2 months of that too.

**hamilton162** · 17-08-2009 16:33

Good Luck with your attempt kroubles

**kroblues** · 17-08-2009 16:53

Thanks. I'm playing about 70 games a season because of various cups and stuff, so maybe he has a chance of 100 or so a season. His strike partner got 30 in 35 appearances too

**hamilton162** · 17-08-2009 17:02

What league are you playing in? Brennan gets around 60-65 games a year, injury permitting and depending on how far we get in the cups (usually to the finals

)

**kroblues** · 17-08-2009 18:38

Northern Ireland (Just like Nep

) so there's 30 league games, the League Cup (9 if I get to the final), the Antrim Cup (4), the Irish Cup (5) and the All Ireland Cup (6). Then whatever European games I play.

**hamilton162** · 17-08-2009 18:41

With rubbish leagues, a half decent player and an ace tactic, he'll make it no problem

Here in England, things are just a little bit harder!

**kroblues** · 17-08-2009 18:47

I imagine so

When I was doing the San Marino challenge I was happy when I got a player to 200 league goals, but I think this guy could make it there in about 6 good seasons. With any luck there'll be others with a chance too, as I'm dominating the league (88 points out of a possible 90 for the past two seasons)

**hamilton162** · 17-08-2009 18:49

Brennan's on 331 goals for club and country at the moment, almost a 3rd of the way there

**kroblues** · 17-08-2009 19:55

Svec (that's the player's name btw, he's Czech) is currently rapidly closing in on 100 for East Belfast. He's on 96 at the moment.

And goals #98, #99 and #100 come up with a hat-trick in our first league game, a 6-1 win over Newry. That's 22 for the season so far and we're only in October.

**santy001** · 18-08-2009 16:45

Surprised Nepenthez hasn't been back to knock us all back in line getting dreams of our own strikers becoming legendary lol. If I get to be England manager soon enough I do think I'll be able to get an absolutely massive amount of goals, because so many of Englands games are against such low opposition he could score a rediculous amount.

**hamilton162** · 18-08-2009 16:52

His laptop has had to be sent off to be repaired and he hasn't got it back yet

**kroblues** · 19-08-2009 16:32

Svec's just soared past 200 goals for East Belfast with 6 goals in a 10-1 win over Bangor. He's now 23, so he still has a chance, especially if he keeps up this scoring rate (46 goals in 27 appearances this season). He is currently on 204 goals.

**santy001** · 20-08-2009 21:21

Shame that's happened to Nep, and lets hope he makes it Kro it's good to see more people getting close to it, it has added something to my save for me to see how many goals I can amass from my strikers.

**NepentheZ** · 27-08-2009 00:58

I have been told by apple I'll get my laptop back in no more than 14 days, otherwise they will replace it, with all my files and folders transferred onto the new one. They did, however, say it was 14 working days

For a change, damn the weekends to hell.

**santy001** · 27-08-2009 10:02

Dunno if you saw my prediction further up Nep, but working out how many Stones has scored so far, and how many he is likely to score across his career - he could well end up with nearly as many as Smylie lol. Stones started this season well, but then Keirrison seemed not to like it, and again after looking like he may be on his way out, decided to start scoring for fun again. In about fifteen games his goalscoring went from about 1.2 a game to over 2 a game lol.

It'll be good to have a frequent user of this thread back as well lol.

**NepentheZ** · 27-08-2009 12:31

Good stuff santy. I'd be amazed if someone came close to Smylie's tally, especially in the English leagues. Well played...!!! [**Sercretly thinks, holy crap, I'm now going to have to find myself a 4,000 goal kind of guy

**]

I'm counting down the day's 'till I get my laptop back now mate. Really can't wait..!!

**santy001** · 27-08-2009 14:39

Stones is a freak of nature, as I said when I saw he had the potential to be better than Keirrison I immediately began focusing intensely on his training. Admittedly its down to training him as a defender and midfielder as well, but by the time this guy hits the end of his training at 24/25 he'll have already been under it for 10 years which will allow me to shape him perfectly. His finishing is 20 and his pace is 18/19 so he's always going to be dangerous, but he seems to be passing to Keirrison far too much and not shooting as much as he was earlier in the season lol; one stat which is really promising though is his natural fitness being 18, he should be able to go the distance and not fade away in his early 30's.

To keep him at this level of scoring though, its evident I need to keep bringing in players who are in their prime to keep up the best levels of serivce to the frontmen. Obviously this is very expensive, I need a new CM and RM next season, which will cost about 100m unless the two I'm trying to train actually come good lol.

How rich are you side anyway, must surely have accrued some pretty decent amounts of money to improve your squad and get some talented youngsters in to really get the best out of Smylie in his twilight years lol.

roberto922 · 27-08-2009 21:03

is tht Michael Stones by any chance?

**NepentheZ** · 27-08-2009 21:11

yeah santy, having quality around the field was a major factor. The re-train thing is a good idea. I didn't do it with Smylie, but have done with Youth Player 1 [Who had over 500 goals age 22 IIRC].

I don't have an amazing amount of money, tbf. About £70,000,000 in the bank. Reason being, Champs League is the only competition the earns me money. My payout bonus for winning everything else, is more than the actual prize money for winning it

[Except All Ireland Cup, but even there, I only make around £150,000]

I get a lot of gates, but ticket prices are so low in N. Ireland, that even if I fill the stadium in a non european tie, I only get a few hundred thousand. With the wages I pay some players [Up in the £30,000 a week mark] - I struggle to make money. The only other source of income I have, is the 50% sell on fee with players I sell. And thats a gamble, because they may never move again, or just leave on a free.

**santy001** · 27-08-2009 21:41

It's not michael stones, its a regen called Leigh Stones. I have the benefits of having made a lot of money through transfers in the early seasons of the game, buying cheap and selling for nice profits. I suppose I also have an upper hand in terms of scouting, 22 scouts around the world mean I'm cherrypicking the best talent I find. That, and I have coaches on more than 30k a week lol.

Before this season, I had 3 years of insane spending lol

2019/20 I spent £201m on transfers (£33m out)
2020/21 £202m on transfers (£8.5m out)
2021/22 £116m (£77m out)
2022/23 £2.4m on players in (£88m out)

My tycoon takeover in 2020 was what made the crazy spending possible. At the end of this season I'll put up screenshots of my Keeper, Defence and Midfield so you can see whats supporting the front two. Obviously Stones will be in with the updates lol.

Strange thinking you can have been so successful and only have 70m in the bank, thats a tenth of my bank balance, and even away from the £500m spent on players, my board spent £250m last summer on building a new stadium.

**kroblues** · 28-08-2009 00:47

Svec just got past 300 for East Belfast, with 4 goals in a 6-1 win over Institute. His season has been hampered by injury, but he still has 54 goals and we're in March, so maybe he could sneak up to 70, which would be good.

**NepentheZ** · 28-08-2009 14:47

Must be nice to have all that money

It'll take me YEARS before I have that much, but then I guess, its all relative. I play in a league where no player is valued more than £1,000,000 - so I can literally afford all of the best players in the league. On top of that, all the players that are interested in me, I can get cheap, and they're way above the league standard. OBviously the only issue is, this means I can't compete on the Champions League front on a regular basis, I just have to get lucky.

**santy001** · 28-08-2009 15:31

Well depending on how many countries you loaded players from, there may be a good case to spend a few hours (I have been known to spent 12 hours without processing a day - not all at once - just scouring for players lol) if you don't have enough scouts. It'd be good to see how many goals you could get from a striker if you had some world class regens in the 150 - 200CA/PA brackets lol.

Mind you, for the NI leagues, I imagine all players around that mark would appear as 7 star so you wouldn't be able to judge the reports as well lol.

**santy001** · 28-08-2009 15:55

**NepentheZ** · 28-08-2009 20:42

that skin is horrid. cant see a thing

**santy001** · 28-08-2009 21:10

I know I'm bored of it now, it was alright at first and a bit different from the default skin, but its a convenient one with all the icons in the kind of places I like them lol. Although when its like 1am, you have the forums open and FM its a tough transition from forums to game lol. Since FM07 I haven't been able to find a skin I really like, I've never been a big fan of the paler ones like the way the game is shipped.

**dafuge** · 28-08-2009 21:13

If you want a nice dark skin, Klasa is quite nice. Awful for screenshots though, a bit like that one.

Or is that Klasa?

**santy001** · 28-08-2009 21:16

That is klasa.

roberto922 · 28-08-2009 21:20

I love Steklo personally, only started using it a few weeks ago but it looks great imo

**dafuge** · 28-08-2009 21:22

Originally Posted by santy001

That is klasa.

Thought it might have been

I had the same problem, switching between that and the forums was blinding me.

**santy001** · 28-08-2009 23:47

Yea, I got around the problem by getting a lamp next to my desktop lol. Had to be done, because sometimes I'd have fallen asleep on the sofa at night, and before going to bed would save up and close, and it was painful to do lol. Not going to be able to get any further on my stoke save tonight though as I'm out so back to wimbledon on my laptop lol.

Wesley Ngo Baheng hardly likely to score a thousand goals, even in the blue square premier lol.

**kroblues** · 01-09-2009 16:12

Despite Josef Svec spending most of last season injured, he still hit 33 goals, so he's onto 346 now, and I think that he could still get up to 1000, depending on how things go with his injuries for the rest of his career, as he still probably has about 7 years left at his peak and then another 5 years after that.

**santy001** · 01-09-2009 17:12

Well the 2021/22 season has come to a close, Stones hasn't been as impressive, but this year there has been a large amount of injuries - not to my forwards but throughout midfield. In addition to that, the sales of some more establish players to blood youngsters meant this season was never going to be an attempted record breaker, but one of 'steady' dominance of global football lol.

Leigh Stones 2020
Leigh Stones 2021
Leigh Stones 2022

2017 | Games: 12 (3) | Goals: 9 | Assists: 4 | MoM: 2 | GpG: 0.6
2018 | Games: 6 (16) | Goals: 23 | Assists: 1 | MoM: 7 | GpG: 1.04
2019 | Games: 17 (7) | Goals: 44 | Assists: 14 | MoM: 6 | GpG: 1.83
2020 | Games: 20 (3) | Goals: 34 | Assists: 9 | MoM: 9 | GpG: 1.47
2021 | Games: 65 (0) | Goals: 152 | Assists: 72 | MoM: 30 | GpG: 2.33
2022 | Games: 67 (0) | Goals: 112 | Assists: 54 | MoM: 24 | GpG: 1.67

Seems strange he's still only 19 - turns 20 in a few weeks, but with these 112 goals his career total has gone up to 374 from 216 appearances with 28 goals from 24 international games. Career average 1.675 goals per game. Stones seems to have reached the limits of his potential, so I don't expect him to improve a lot more although 20 finishing and 19 pace is far beyond what I expected when he arrived at the club with 13 finishing and 14 pace. The only disappointing things are the fact he doesn't have bravery and teamwork over 15, nor is he a good passer of the ball which I usually quite like my forwards to be in the 11 - 15 range for. If looking at this player to buy, I have to be honest I wouldn't buy him because he doesn't match up in all the areas I look at, so I'm rather glad he came through at the club and I had an injury crisis a few seasons ago lol.

**NepentheZ** · 01-09-2009 18:13

Crazy work there, santy.

You could have a genuine contender for a 3,000+ goal striker here too

- The only problems you may have, that I haven't, is the fact that age in N. Ireland isn't really a factor, because Smylie will still be better than most other players, even at 36/37 - where as Stones physical attributes, in a competative league, when he's older, could really harm his perfomances into his 30's

Great work though. Loving the career here.

**Jimbokav1971** · 01-09-2009 18:26

Quick question here guys. I take it all the contenders take all the free-kicks and pens, but do you exploit the corner situaton with him too?

I must say, probably even more impressive than you actually getting to this sort of level is the fact that you are still willing to continue when to be honest it really can't be that much fun anymore as you are so dominant.

**santy001** · 01-09-2009 18:32

Well Keirrison is 34, and still managed 138 goals in the last season, and despite his injury last season when I said I thought it was the end for him, broke his goalscoring record getting 170 in a season (plus another 32 international goals taking him to 202).

Keirrison 2022

The premiership has been saturated by poor managers, meaning 99% of the time my team turn up and win comfortably. This last season I've managed to rake in a massive £443m in income, and make profits of £236m which should be enough to facilitate a large spending spree this summer to get players in their prime for another few years and add a bit of depth again to survive injuries which didn't really help Stones keep going on this year.

Well the main fun in it now, is to see whether I can get a striker on par with Nep's Smylie. During this stage in time, I hate starting new saves because FM10 is so close, so just pushing on with this gives me something to do. These two don't actually take free kicks, and I score very few from corners, if you look at the stats for both Stones and Keirrison, neither one of them is really set to do as good a job as CB's at challenging the keeper.

I put my tactics up and its been rather hit and miss for others, but ultimately the premiership does dilute enormously in my opinion, which means a team thats been together for numerous years, and is in a solid tactical mould will dominate.

**hamilton162** · 01-09-2009 19:21

**santy001** · 01-09-2009 19:55

Seems Brennan could reach 500 career goals, which is a great achievement, just done a bit more counting up to see where Keirrison is and he's amassed 1717 goals. Given how relatively easy it is to qualify in south america for Brazil, I think another 2 seasons should see him to 36, nearly 37 and he will hopefully reach at least 2,000 goals before he calls it a day. Working hard on trying to persuade him to become a coach now because a player like this needs to stay in the game lol.

**hamilton162** · 01-09-2009 20:01

Originally Posted by santy001

Seems Brennan could reach 500 career goals, which is a great achievement, just done a bit more counting up to see where Keirrison is and he's amassed 1717 goals. Given how relatively easy it is to qualify in south america for Brazil, I think another 2 seasons should see him to 36, nearly 37 and he will hopefully reach at least 2,000 goals before he calls it a day. Working hard on trying to persuade him to become a coach now because a player like this needs to stay in the game lol.

Forget 500 santy, me and big Bernard are going for the 1,000, no jokes

EDIT: Add 3 more to that tally, he's scored a stunning hat-trick in the Community Shield in the first match of the new season

**NepentheZ** · 01-09-2009 20:07

Brennan will get 800-1000 easily imo.

Originally Posted by Jimbokav1971

Quick question here guys. I take it all the contenders take all the free-kicks and pens, but do you exploit the corner situaton with him too?

I must say, probably even more impressive than you actually getting to this sort of level is the fact that you are still willing to continue when to be honest it really can't be that much fun anymore as you are so dominant.

Smylie takes Free Kicks, but not Pens. And I don't use the corner exploit either. Most of my goals from corners come from the Central midfielders.

Its not fun in some senses, expecially in domestic competition, but I still struggle in Europe. I also want the N. Ireland job, and am having a lot of fun trying to build a team made up entirely of my own youth products. There is much to keep me going in this game. I initally was going to retire when Wallace retired, but then Smylie was around, and now Dunlop, and great players just keep coming, that I really wish to see careers through with,

**santy001** · 01-09-2009 20:42

Same thing for me, when Keirrison left for Real Madrid I stopped playing the game for a while. I picked it back up to sign him to try and meet this challenge, and then I came across Leigh Stones so its what has added more longevity to it for me. I too still want the England job at international level, I can only hope sustained showing up of Paul Ince at major competitions will eventually get him sacked. Still, he has my Stones in his squad, pretty much carrying England on his shoulders at the moment.

**hamilton162** · 02-09-2009 09:16

Originally Posted by NepentheZ

Brennan will get 800-1000 easily imo.

It won't be easy, but i reckon you're right nep. He's still just 26, so he's got at least 10 more years in him. If he can get to around 100 goals for Ireland, he's got a chance tbh. If he does that and keeps his strike rate at around 80-85 per season for a few seasons, he could just about sneak the 1,000, which would be a phenominal achievement if he were to do it!

Originally Posted by Jimbokav1971

Quick question here guys. I take it all the contenders take all the free-kicks and pens, but do you exploit the corner situaton with him too?

I must say, probably even more impressive than you actually getting to this sort of level is the fact that you are still willing to continue when to be honest it really can't be that much fun anymore as you are so dominant.

Nope, i don't exploit this as it takes the fun out of it. It also makes this more of a challenge as i want Brennan to get his goals normally and fairly. If i exploited the corner bug, he'd probably score around 100-110 a season as he's got high attributes in the right areas to be dangerous from corners.

**kroblues** · 02-09-2009 14:35

Svec is now up to 400 goals for East Belfast, after scoring twice in our 4-0 win over rivals Dundela. I will post screenshots of the player and his season by season records when (if) he reaches 500 goals.

**hamilton162** · 02-09-2009 14:43

kroblues - It's when, not if mate

Brennan's just hit his 250th FC United league goal

337 goals for FCUM in total. 'Mon Brennan, to the magical 4 figures

**kroblues** · 02-09-2009 17:24

He was so close to hitting 100 this season, 97 in total, and he ended up winning the golden boot somehow

He's up to 457 goals now, and he's age 26.

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