Kevtangent Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Does anybody know how to maybe fast track non league teams? I would very much like to manage Haverhill Rovers, who in the real world are in the Eastern Counties Premiership so they would be three promotions from Vanarama Conference South and therefore finally part of the actual game. Despite taking over Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, West Ham, Crystal Palace, Norwich, Ipswich, Liverpool, Man Utd and Man City for a couple of days every pre-season to arrange friendlies with Haverhill thus generating a good deal of cash for that team, after 12 seasons they are still nowhere to be seen I have even looked at other teams that have had a youngster on their books that I have even tried buying for £3m to £4m and even those clubs more than 10 seasons later are not to be found in the conference. Any suggestions? Does anybody know if going forward FM may introduce something where you can nominate non league clubs to be 'promoted' to the Conference without having to wait season after season only to never see them. Many Thanks Kev Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar2010 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Promotions from non playable leagues are based on a weighted random of the reputation of the team. I think I'm also right in saying that only teams in the immediate division below can be promoted so teams who start more than one division below a playable league will never be promoted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalemlyco Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 You could get a custom database which goes that low and take over them yourself and get them promoted up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobby_McDonald Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Promotions from non playable leagues are based on a weighted random of the reputation of the team.I think I'm also right in saying that only teams in the immediate division below can be promoted so teams who start more than one division below a playable league will never be promoted. You are right Cougar. It's something that should change really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruisey Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Does anybody know how to maybe fast track non league teams?I would very much like to manage Haverhill Rovers, who in the real world are in the Eastern Counties Premiership so they would be three promotions from Vanarama Conference South and therefore finally part of the actual game. Despite taking over Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, West Ham, Crystal Palace, Norwich, Ipswich, Liverpool, Man Utd and Man City for a couple of days every pre-season to arrange friendlies with Haverhill thus generating a good deal of cash for that team, after 12 seasons they are still nowhere to be seen I have even looked at other teams that have had a youngster on their books that I have even tried buying for £3m to £4m and even those clubs more than 10 seasons later are not to be found in the conference. Any suggestions? Does anybody know if going forward FM may introduce something where you can nominate non league clubs to be 'promoted' to the Conference without having to wait season after season only to never see them. Many Thanks Kev Why dont you just download the lower leagues database and manage them? One database goes down to level 24. The lowest level in English football. Or you could use the editor to edit them into the Conference south or Conference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoxToBox Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Promotions from non playable leagues are based on a weighted random of the reputation of the team.I think I'm also right in saying that only teams in the immediate division below can be promoted so teams who start more than one division below a playable league will never be promoted. It can take a long time, but the even lower teams can become playable, I saw a Bulgarian 4th division team promoted to playable, which is the Bulgarian 2nd division. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobby_McDonald Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Which team was this BoxToBox? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoxToBox Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Which team was this BoxToBox? Chavdar Etrople. I had only noticed because I spent ages try to get them to be playable by reloading the changeover day after the first season, only to find out they were a league lower than I thought. Went on as another club, and a few seasons later, saw them bumped to playable. In real life they just gained promotion to the Bulgarian 3rd div, may be a FM 16 team for me to play as, if I can load them up to the 2nd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firetruck13 Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 I know the feeling, my RWDM was in the second league in Belgium and went bankrupt, fans satrted it again but in the 4th tier and waiting for them to go up to the 3rd tier so I can manage them but yeah maybe next year for me cause in real life they are top of the league with our biggest support ever xD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Hacker Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 If you have the ingame editor you could try giving them a massive reputation using that and seeing what happens. However I don't think it will make much of a difference as they are possibly too low down to ever be promoted to the Conference North/South. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobby_McDonald Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Chavdar Etrople.I had only noticed because I spent ages try to get them to be playable by reloading the changeover day after the first season, only to find out they were a league lower than I thought. Went on as another club, and a few seasons later, saw them bumped to playable. In real life they just gained promotion to the Bulgarian 3rd div, may be a FM 16 team for me to play as, if I can load them up to the 2nd. I'm going to keep my eye out in future saves now for teams that come up from below the level below the lowest playable division. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoxToBox Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 I'm going to keep my out in future saves now for teams that come up from below the level below the lowest playable division. It could be interesting, playing as one of them should be an even bigger challenge than normal, though the reason I wanted Chavdar that time was because despite their lowly status, they have good youth intakes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jWaSiMhE Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Does anybody know how to maybe fast track non league teams?I would very much like to manage Haverhill Rovers, who in the real world are in the Eastern Counties Premiership so they would be three promotions from Vanarama Conference South and therefore finally part of the actual game. Despite taking over Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, West Ham, Crystal Palace, Norwich, Ipswich, Liverpool, Man Utd and Man City for a couple of days every pre-season to arrange friendlies with Haverhill thus generating a good deal of cash for that team, after 12 seasons they are still nowhere to be seen I have even looked at other teams that have had a youngster on their books that I have even tried buying for £3m to £4m and even those clubs more than 10 seasons later are not to be found in the conference. Any suggestions? Does anybody know if going forward FM may introduce something where you can nominate non league clubs to be 'promoted' to the Conference without having to wait season after season only to never see them. Many Thanks Kev You could just swap them with a team in the Isthmian Premier and give them a rep boost. (100 more than highest rep team in Isthmian Premier?) Ideally you would put a team from the Eastern Counties catchment area (Needham Market?) in their place and also include an Isthmian division 1 north team in your league "restructuring" so that the ILP team goes in I1N and then I1N team goes in the ECL but you don't even need to do that. Or why not as others have suggested, play as them in the Eastern Counties League yourself. Bringing them up the divisions the hard way. Although I would VERY STRONGLY SUGGEEEST waiting until FM16 for that... cough cough Oh.. and it is Eastern Counties Premier Division not Premiership. Unapologetic pedant here when it comes down to league naming. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoxToBox Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Unapologetic pedant here when it comes down to league naming. The Conference/National League must drive you crackers, changing it's name and sponsor every year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobby_McDonald Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 I ignore sponsor names and just change them to the actual competition names, for example Conference Premier as it was last year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dllu Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 I ignore sponsor names and just change them to the actual competition names, for example Conference Premier as it was last year. Me too. One of the first things I do when I get a new version of the game is to open the editor and make my own name fix. Ideally I would remove all sponsored stadium names as well, but that would take a while... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FCUtdWill Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Oh.. and it is Eastern Counties Premier Division not Premiership. Unapologetic pedant here when it comes down to league naming. It's actually the Eastern Counties League Premier Division Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jWaSiMhE Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 It's actually the Eastern Counties League Premier Division I know that, I was just referring the shorthand name as used by the OP. Also it's actually the Eastern Counties Football League Premier Division but I didn't see the need to put that as it was the premiership part I was pointing out as incorrect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jWaSiMhE Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 I ignore sponsor names and just change them to the actual competition names, for example Conference Premier as it was last year. The National League name change is not a sponsor related change though, no matter how silly it is & un-necessary. I will always still it conference though! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dllu Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 The National League name change is not a sponsor related change though, no matter how silly it is & un-necessary. I will always still it conference though! Do you still call the Premier League and Championship the First and Second Division as well...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jWaSiMhE Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Do you still call the Premier League and Championship the First and Second Division as well...? Not myself, it's a generation thing though. I was only 3 years old when the Premier League was formed. I did used to call the Championship the second division for a while if I remember though, I still do sometimes. I'm sure there are older fans who do all the time. Technically the PL was a separate institution that was bulldozered onto the top of the pyramid, forcing all the other leagues down. The modern day Championship is actually the old first division, still uses the same trophy for example. With regards to sponsor names, I don't particularly like them but it annoys me more when the original name of the league is not used. For example Vanarama North as opposed to Vanarama Conference/NL North. Some sponsored named competitions have had the same stick effect as the old original names though haven't they? How many people still call the JPT the "Auto Windscreens Shield" or the "LDV vans trophy" or the NPL the "unibond league" or the Isthmian league just "Ryman" league. But over time these names will be forgotten. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoxToBox Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Most people I know still call the League Cup the "Carling Cup".... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jWaSiMhE Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Most people I know still call the League Cup the "Carling Cup".... Hehe. It's free sponsorship. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dllu Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Not myself, it's a generation thing though. I was only 3 years old when the Premier League was formed. I did used to call the Championship the second division for a while if I remember though, I still do sometimes. I'm sure there are older fans who do all the time. I don't disagree with you, I'm exactly the same with the Danish league myself. Technically the PL was a separate institution that was bulldozered onto the top of the pyramid, forcing all the other leagues down. The modern day Championship is actually the old first division, still uses the same trophy for example. True, but I think the important word here is technically... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theHDTreatment Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Most people I know still call the League Cup the "Carling Cup".... It'll always be the Coca-Cola Cup to me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoxToBox Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 It'll always be the Coca-Cola Cup to me There's a potentially interesting shandy/radler there, Coca Coal & Carling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobby_McDonald Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 It'll always be the Coca-Cola Cup to me Nah, more like The Milk Cup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jWaSiMhE Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Nah, more like The Milk Cup. Showing your age there Nobby. It's a good name though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhand Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Promotions from non playable leagues are based on a weighted random of the reputation of the team.I think I'm also right in saying that only teams in the immediate division below can be promoted so teams who start more than one division below a playable league will never be promoted. You are wrong with that, I can confirm after simulating for 15 seasons a savegame of my own (in FM 2014 though). I had a team in Belgian 5th division, and only 3th and higher is playable. I gave this team a reputation of 3500, some nice cash, sugar daddy and good players. They never got out of 5th division. Another team that originally started in this same 5th division (with a reputation of 1250) managed to promote to 4th division and after 8 seasons (in total, not in 4th) they got promoted to 3rd, the playable league. They stayed in 3rd for 2 seasons, got relegated to 4th and managed to clinch promotion to 3rd immediately again. So it's possible, but even a big reputation hike + money + good players are no guarantee that the team will promote. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobby_McDonald Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 No, he's right. Although it could have been worded slightly better, he does say that promotion is random with a weighting towards reputation. So the higher a club's reputation, the more chance they will get promoted but it is by no means certain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dllu Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 I think it might depend on whether there are inactive leagues below the active ones in the database, or whether all non-league teams are just put in a generic "Lower Division". If you look at the nation rules for England in the editor, the 7th tier (Northern/Southern/Isthmian Premier) is listed below the 6th (Conf N/S), but inactive. I haven't checked the nation rules for Belgium, but there might not be any inactive leagues, only a generic "Belgian Lower Division". So my guess would be that in England and other nations with an inactive division like that, only teams from that division can get promoted. In nations where the "Generic Lower Division" is the only division below the active ones, in theory all teams from that division should be able to get promoted - but through a "weighted lottery", as has already been suggested. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 A general rule of thumb that I believe works is if you can select the club to be your favourite club then they have a chance of working their way to a playable level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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