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    Usa [FM 13.3] USA Expansion v1: MLS, NASL, USL PRO, PDL, NPSL, NCAA

    USA EXPANSION FILE v1


    MLS
    • Format unchanged
    • Draft, draft, All-Star game, rivalry cups etc still take place
    • Squads updated for 2013 season.
    NASL
    • NY Cosmos are added from 2013 season.
    • Ottawa, Virginia and Indianapolis join in 2014, Puerto Rico Islanders rejoin (season remains 16 games in each stage).
    • From 2013 the NASL changes to a Spring/Fall schedule.
    • 16 games in each stage.
    • Winner of Spring stage will host the Soccer Bowl, against the winner of the Autumn stage, or if one team wins both, then the team with second best record.
    • As in real life, NY Cosmos won't take part in Spring season in 2013.
    USL Pro
    • VSI and Phoenix added to give 13 teams.
    • Sacramento join in 2014.
    • Teams play each other twice home/away.
    • Teams also play 2 games against a specific MLS Reserve team.
    • Eight teams qualify for playoffs.
    USL PDL
    • 9 divisions as in the 2013 season format.
    • Each division plays 14 regular season games as in real life.
    • Best place American teams will qualify for next season's US Open Cup.

    NPSL
    • 10 divisions as in the 2013 season format..
    • Teams play 2 rounds of games with best teams qualifying for playoffs.
    NCAA
    • All NCAA teams are placed in one conference, this is to ensure they all get youth regens.
    • Actuate representation of conferences (based on 2012).
    • Most conferences play 1 round of games.
    • Most conferences have a post season tournament with all or some teams based on final positions qualifying.
    • Winners of tournament (for some conferences league) qualify for NCAA Championship. For many tournaments other top teams also qualify to give 48 teams in Championship.
    • NCAA teams also play non conference games in real life, to replicate this I have set up a group competition with all 204 teams divided into 17 groups of 12 teams.
    • League games ending in a draw at 90 minutes have extra time.
    U.S. Soccer Development Academy
    • Group stage with seven regional groups as in real life playing one round including teams to be added in 2013/14 season.
    • Group winners plus one 2nd best team qualify for second group stage which also plays one round. Then 7th, 5th, 3rd playoff and final.
    US Open Cup
    • 2012 format as it was.
    • 2013 format expands to 68 teams.
    • American based MLS, NASL, USL Pro teams all qualify.
    • NY Cosmos, Virgina, Indianapolis and Sacramento join in 2014.
    • 16 best place American PDL teams from previous season qualify.
    • From 2014, NPSL sends 8 teams to First Round.
    Disney Pro Soccer Classic
    • Format for 2013 season
    • 8 teams in two groups
    • 7th, 5th , 3rd place playoffs plus the final
    • All matches take place at ESPN Wide World of Sports Complex
    Carolina Challenge Cup and Desert Diamond Cup
    • Format for 2013
    • All games at correct stadiums
    World Football Challenge
    • 12 teams (3 MLS and 9 top teams from around the world).
    • Each team plays 3 games at various big stadiums around the US in July.
    • Winner is team with best overall record.
    • Competition does not run during World Cup years.
    MLS Reserve Division
    • Format correct for 2013 season. Philadelphia Union, DC United, Sporting KC and NE Revolution do not have reserve teams due to USL PRO affiliates.
    USL Super-20
    • USL Pro and USL PDL teams enter their U-20 teams, organised into regional groups
    • 16 teams qualify for final group stage
    • Top 4 qualify for playoff semi-finals.
    Generation Adidas Cup
    • 19 MLS academy teams play in group stage, 4 groups each team plays 4 games
    • Group winners qualify for semi-finals
    Canadian Championship
    • Ottawa Fury and FC Edmonton will play-off for semi-final place against 3 MLS teams from 2014 season on.

    USA DOWNLOAD LINK: VERSION 1.3.1 http://www.mediafire.com/?z5bgqoyukm5kc7g

    WARNING: This edit has been created using a method not supported by SI. Use this thread to let me know of any bugs. DO NOT report anything on the SI bugs forum.


    1. Place the dbc file in your editor data folder e.g. Documents\Sports Interactive\Football Manager 2013\editor data
    2. Start a new game, click on "New Career Game" and tick change under "Editor Data Files".
    3. Ensure "USA-Expansion v1.3.1.dbc" is ticked and click confirm.
    4. Select the USA and then on the next screen the desired level you wish to start with.

    Known issues:
    1. The game doesn't deal very well with age limits on teams and even though players are overage on NCAA teams often they will stay there.
    2. I can't say how compatible this will be with other files, but I know for example it will NOT work with FMUpdates EEE - England, Enhanced, Expanded
    3. US Open Cup teams are static for 2013, if you start in 2012 your PDL or NPSL team may not be entered in 2013 US Open Cup even if it says you've qualified, as the teams have been hardcoded for that year. Subsequent years will work correctly.
    4. Contract types for NASL, USL Pro and PDL are not quite perfect but as good as I could get them, at least for now.

    CANADA EXPANSION FILE v1


    CSL
    • Canadian Nation rules plus CSL and CSL reserve division.
    • Teams based on expected 2013 format.
    This file is optional. The USA will work without this file, it is primarily included to give you an option to start in 2013 by Selecting Canada as your start date.

    CANADA DOWNLOAD LINK: VERSION 1 http://www.mediafire.com/?lq36nc89x4xx5ac

    For installation instructions, see USA above.

    Known issues:
    1. This file contains no data changes, only nation and league rules.
    2. Toronto's Academy team has been removed and Burlington added. These changes have been made in the USA file to avoid ID clashes. Data changes to the Canada file may result in problems with the USA file, most likely the NASL or USL Pro will stop functioning.

    GRAHPICS ADD-ON PACK v1


    Graphics
    Install the graphics as normal, unzipping the contents and placing it in your Sports Interactive\Football Manager 2013\graphics folder.

    GRAHPICS ADD-ON PACK: http://www.mediafire.com/?ogo4o5o6vj5ni75
    Last edited by paulgerty; 15-05-2013 at 05:19.

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    Last edited by paulgerty; 29-03-2013 at 05:58.

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    By the way, does anybody still have a logo pack for NCAA, any links I checked on the forum were dead.

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    How does the NCAA work age wise? Can only players 18-23 or so play in it?

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    Thats how I've set it in the editor, however after a few years some overage players will remain at ncaa teams even though they're ineligible. They will however be available for transfer then as they'll no longer be draft protected as Superdraft takes place from NCAA teams and not PDL

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    welcome back paul....loved your file on the older fm series....cant wait for this one...will you add Generation adidas Cup

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    Quote Originally Posted by willz71172 View Post
    welcome back paul....loved your file on the older fm series....cant wait for this one...will you add Generation adidas Cup
    Good idea, shouldnt be too hard to add.

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    How about adding the American Academy division? I have done this on my edit by doing.."Add Single League" (even though there are around 80 Teams). Then when you go to League Details you set it up as Groups. I have done Groups of 10. Works great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meter View Post
    How about adding the American Academy division? I have done this on my edit by doing.."Add Single League" (even though there are around 80 Teams). Then when you go to League Details you set it up as Groups. I have done Groups of 10. Works great.
    Another good suggestion, I've added it as an active division under the NCAA. Group stage with 7 regional groups playing one round of games. Top team in each group plus best second place qualify for second group stage which also plays one round. Then 7th, 5th, 3rd playoff and final. Format seems to be working ok, its what I found on U.S. Soccer's website.

    Problem will be that the only teams which will get an intake of youth players are the MLS academy teams in this division. I wish there was a way to change that.

    Generation addidas cup also added, the 19 MLS academy teams are in 4 groups, top teams in each group qualify for semis.
    Last edited by paulgerty; 18-01-2013 at 12:33.

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    Good to hear how you set up the NCAA, and that the draft comes from the NCAA. Cool you could do that. Sounds like it would be a fun career game to start in the NCAA and work your way "up" from there. Not much you can do about the AI keeping ineligible players, just something stupid that I've seen it do in non-edited leagues as well. At least they can't play.

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    Is there any way you can add the Indianapolis team to NASL in 2014, since that team has been confirmed? I live in Indy and would love to manage them!

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    Will you be adding Indy, Ottawa and Virginia to the NASL?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjk46 View Post
    Will you be adding Indy, Ottawa and Virginia to the NASL?
    I'll try to do it so that I release one file, and if people wish they can open the file in the editor as usual, add the teams to NASL and the game rules should take take care of the rest themselves. You won't need totouch the rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulgerty View Post
    I'll try to do it so that I release one file, and if people wish they can open the file in the editor as usual, add the teams to NASL and the game rules should take take care of the rest themselves. You won't need totouch the rules.
    Good stuff!

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    Yup, I can do that no problem. Thanks!

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    I believe it was Dim (if I remember correctly) who found out a way to add the NY Cosmos to the MLS without losing all the MLS rules. Perhaps that is something for you to look at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulgerty View Post
    I'll try to do it so that I release one file, and if people wish they can open the file in the editor as usual, add the teams to NASL and the game rules should take take care of the rest themselves. You won't need totouch the rules.
    If we add teams, will this create a problem with the US Open Cup? ie, not drawing all teams in the NASL, only the # of teams that you used to create the cup..

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    Quote Originally Posted by meter View Post
    If we add teams, will this create a problem with the US Open Cup? ie, not drawing all teams in the NASL, only the # of teams that you used to create the cup..
    As my file is at the moment, the new teams simply wouldn't take part in US Open Cup. Because of non-US teams in the top four divisions, I can't simply use get all teams from division. I'd need to think about how to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen View Post
    I believe it was Dim (if I remember correctly) who found out a way to add the NY Cosmos to the MLS without losing all the MLS rules. Perhaps that is something for you to look at.
    I'm aiming for a realistic expansion of the US leagues, as they are at the moment, rather than any distant possibilities such as Cosmos joining MLS.

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    You add team by team (leave out TFC, Mon & Van) for the MLS.. I think I have done this before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meter View Post
    You add team by team (leave out TFC, Mon & Van) for the MLS.. I think I have done this before.
    What I meant was how to do it so that it would be possible for people to take my file, add any expansion teams they want themselves to NASL or USL Pro and have those teams also enter US Cup.

    I personally won't be adding any new teams to divisions other than those involved in the upcoming 2013 season, i.e. Cosmos, VSI & Phoenix.

    I suppose I could add a blank "US Cup Teams" division, give it higher seeding than, say, amateur teams and then if somebody wants to, for example add Indianapolis, they could set division to NASL and secondary division to US Cup Teams and then it should work. I'd need to test it first and at the moment I'm testing other parts of the file.
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    So will this have promotion / relegation or no? I'm guessing no but would be cool if you did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulgerty View Post
    I'm aiming for a realistic expansion of the US leagues, as they are at the moment, rather than any distant possibilities such as Cosmos joining MLS.
    OK, then I've misunderstood something. I thought it was certain that Cosmos would join the MLS as of next season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iArsenal View Post
    So will this have promotion / relegation or no? I'm guessing no but would be cool if you did.
    It's based on the real structure so no. MiloBloom has a fantasy US file with what you are looking for.

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    PDL just released their schedule for 2013, some new teams. Biggest change is the season is now 14 games down from 16. I don't see any info on changes to playoff format. I might leave PDL as it is for now and do any changes after the next patch with data update comes out.
    The more I go playing with the existing database the greater the chances of failed changes later on.

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    Incredible work, much looking forward to it!

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    four new teams have joined the PDL for 2013, including the New York Magic – F.A. Euro, the Real Boston Rams, the SW Florida Adrenaline and a franchise in Oklahoma City.

    Several teams have announced name changes including IMG Academy Bradenton (IMG Bradenton Academics), K-W United FC (Hamilton FC Rage), the NJ LUSO Rangers FC (New Jersey Rangers), the S.C. United Bantams (Palmetto FC Bantams) and VSI Tampa Bay FC (VSI Tampa Flames).

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulgerty View Post
    Thats how I've set it in the editor, however after a few years some overage players will remain at ncaa teams even though they're ineligible. They will however be available for transfer then as they'll no longer be draft protected as Superdraft takes place from NCAA teams and not PDL
    When i've tried to create a team in the past that could only field players under 21/22/etc, i had the same issue. The players would stay at the club, collect wages, and be ineligible to play. They would get upset about lack of first team football, get upset when you transfer list them, get upset when you accept transfer offers, etc. Not very realistic at all.

    You'd think that if someone bothered to create the concept of an age-restricted club in FM, they would have also blocked you from signing them to contracts beyond that age restriction, and made it easier for the players to understand that they are required to move clubs before they hit the maximum age (and should be seeking to do so, without being upset about it).
    Last edited by Chas (Psyatika); 19-01-2013 at 16:47.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willz71172 View Post
    four new teams have joined the PDL for 2013, including the New York Magic – F.A. Euro, the Real Boston Rams, the SW Florida Adrenaline and a franchise in Oklahoma City.

    Several teams have announced name changes including IMG Academy Bradenton (IMG Bradenton Academics), K-W United FC (Hamilton FC Rage), the NJ LUSO Rangers FC (New Jersey Rangers), the S.C. United Bantams (Palmetto FC Bantams) and VSI Tampa Bay FC (VSI Tampa Flames).
    Yeah I saw that, but like I say I'll probably just leave PDL and NPSL as they are until the next patch comes out. Then I'll know what changes have already been made in the data update and I'll be able to work on a final version. I'll still release a beta version soon.

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    As a fan of my local NPSL side (AFC Cleveland), I'm extremely excited for this.

    Will you be adding the new NPSL teams for this database? Also, Cleveland-Detroit-Buffalo compete for the Rust Belt Cup. AFC Cleveland won it in 2012.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCSUltra View Post
    As a fan of my local NPSL side (AFC Cleveland), I'm extremely excited for this.

    Will you be adding the new NPSL teams for this database? Also, Cleveland-Detroit-Buffalo compete for the Rust Belt Cup. AFC Cleveland won it in 2012.
    Most likely I'll leave PDL teams and NPSL as they are in the regional database until the patch comes out. But then I'll add any missing teams, as well as missing stadia, kits and such.

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    Opening post has been updated with download link. Please report any issues with the file to me here on this thread.

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    I can`t chose the NCAA inside the game

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    Quote Originally Posted by der dude View Post
    I can`t chose the NCAA inside the game
    Can you be a little more specific? Are you able to select any divisions below MLS?
    Have you enabled the correct Editor Data file after clicking New Career Game?

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    Yes, i have enabled the correct data file. And i can select every division below the mls except the ncaa

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    Quote Originally Posted by der dude View Post
    Yes, i have enabled the correct data file. And i can select every division below the mls except the ncaa
    Are you loading any other editor files? There might be a conflict.

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    I have tried it again and now it works :-)

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    will you create some real players for NCAA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by der dude View Post
    will you create some real players for NCAA?
    I doubt it as it is a lot of work

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    I'd like to know what is on your to-do list. It's great that this is working for FM13, as it wasn't possible in FM12.

    Will you be adding in Canada to the mix?

    Otherwise great work, will give this a try!

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    Quote Originally Posted by magicmastermind124 View Post
    I'd like to know what is on your to-do list. It's great that this is working for FM13, as it wasn't possible in FM12.

    Will you be adding in Canada to the mix?

    Otherwise great work, will give this a try!
    Yes I'll add Canada soon.

    Other than that I'll wait and see what the new patch brings, as you know it has a habit of breaking as many things as it fixes.

    I also need to wait until USL Pro, NPSL etc announce their formats for the upcoming 2013 season. I don't know about non-league in England but I know why SI don't bother with the lower leagues in the USA as they change so dramatically year after. year. It says something when England, probably one of the most popular leagues in the game and with 6 level active has 121 post in he league specific issues bug forum, whereas the USA, in theory not that popular on the world stage and with just the MLS active has over 200.

    I've read rumours that the MLS reserve league will merge with USL Pro so that could be interesting.

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    Just so you know, there are loads of NCAA teams that do not populate with players. The only conferences with populated players are the Mid America, Atlantic Coast, Ivy League, Atlantic 10, Big East Red, Big East Blue, CAA and Big Ten. I assume this is because you renamed the ADL leagues into those NCAA competitions I listed.

    Also stage 4 of the Walt Disney competition has the wrong number of teams, it uses 2 but gets 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magicmastermind124 View Post
    Just so you know, there are loads of NCAA teams that do not populate with players. The only conferences with populated players are the Mid America, Atlantic Coast, Ivy League, Atlantic 10, Big East Red, Big East Blue, CAA and Big Ten. I assume this is because you renamed the ADL leagues into those NCAA competitions I listed.
    Yeah I'm aware of this it is for the reason you stated, I don't know if there is anyway of solving this issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by magicmastermind124 View Post
    Also stage 4 of the Walt Disney competition has the wrong number of teams, it uses 2 but gets 3.
    Thanks, I guess I accidentally changed it when changing stage number. It'll be fixed for next release.

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    Cheers for the hard work. Did notice that when I chose which level to go down to that one level is called...

    The Isthmian Division One Cup. LoL

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    Has anybody tried out the NCAA yet? Seems like this would be a hard league to replicate. I imagine it is amateur, but really "transfers" in and out are a bit unrealistic. Seems like it would be hard to simulate recruiting.

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    This sounds really cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heath Matthias View Post
    Has anybody tried out the NCAA yet? Seems like this would be a hard league to replicate. I imagine it is amateur, but really "transfers" in and out are a bit unrealistic. Seems like it would be hard to simulate recruiting.
    I agree the transfers is unrealistic but then the game was never made to create college teams, only regular clubs. I have tested as far as 2020 and all NCAA teams were still amateur at least, in previous FM versions they soon changed to semi-pro etc. Obviously there are many features of NCAA which are impossible to recreate with the editor such clock counting down or players playing in PDL too.

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    To stop the NCAA teams signing players you could set a transfer embargo on them till 2100 (I done this when I was creating the U-League in South Korea and it seemed to do the trick)

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    When I managed an NCAA team they turned semi pro the next season.

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    Ha brilliant idea! Then you would be forced to play with your intake players, which seems a better way to handle things.

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    I think there is also a way to always make them amateur in the basic editor. I seem to remember that as a team setting at least.

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    The setting is there to make them amateur but that does not stop them from changing their status in the future.

    Also should takeovers be happening? Because in the season I tested this I was taken over and had an investment of ~$1.5m.

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    Can't wait to see this in its full glory. KUTGW!

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    is there any way to get this converted for fm 12 as i dont have fm 13 yet and probaly wont be getting it

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    Yeah was thinking about takeovers as well. I don't think there is a way to prevent it, but you could think of it as the college getting a new Athletic Director, and more investment from the boosters (so improved facilities, etc). Since that happens in real life, I'm ok with that.

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    Wasn't is possible to stop all takeovers in a nation except those from within, i.e. chairman leaves and another board member takes over. I remember doing something like this when I tried this for FM11. I think it was an edt file. I'll check this out later when I get a chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t27 View Post
    is there any way to get this converted for fm 12 as i dont have fm 13 yet and probaly wont be getting it
    No mate it's a completely different database.

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    Paul could you send me your data please so i can create this for fm
    12 for my own personal use if you could to lakeplacidkid@aol.com if you would please if at all possible thanks t27

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    Does the NCAA inter-conference counts for something? Like playoff qualification?

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    Quote Originally Posted by t27 View Post
    Paul could you send me your data please so i can create this for fm
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    The data is what it is in this download and will not work with FM12 However, I did start doing this for FM12 last year so might have some FM12 data on my old comp. I'll have a look when I get a chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acanhestro View Post
    Does the NCAA inter-conference counts for something? Like playoff qualification?
    In FM11 I did it that inter-conference groups counted towards NCAA championship. This year I've kept it simple and qualification is through normal conference or conference championships. So inter-conference dont count for any qualification at the moment

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    If anyone wants to contribute to a detailed NCAA database they're working on one over at FMNorthAmerica. I tend to prefer to leave the PDL instead, as the leagues tend to share a player pool to some extent. Both options are prone to bugs but it's already in the DB so I go with it. My database has the US down to PDL and some Canadian leagues with lots of player histories and stuff added to both -- though I didn't do anything with the advanced editor, so I have to defer to your NASL scheduling and stuff.
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    Good luck with this paulgerty. I loved the FM11 version and even created logos for every NCAA soccer team and a bunch of other lower league teams.

    Hopefully some issues like teams going semi-pro, and the age thing gets fixed. (and probably some other things)

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    Thanks been waiting for this, hopefully the fmnorthamerica project can build on this

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    The fact that only 9 conferences generate youth players will be a big problem later on. It's strange that non of the other conferences get populated with players at the beginning of the game. There just won't be enough players to fill teams after a few years. I tested to 2020 for example and most teams had very small squads, sometimes less than 14 players.

    In order to combat this I'm running a test where I have left 7 conferences as they are and moved all other NCAA teams into the remaining two divisions that were the ADL (I had to use two because if I put them into one, wouldn't generate youth players so I guess there must have been too many teams). The benefit of this is that all NCAA teams start with a full squad of players, and all 204 teams get an intake of youth players at the start of every season. Also any NCAA player can be drafted to MLS.

    The downside is that you can only manage in 7 of the conferences, namely ACC, A10, Big East Red and Blue, B10, Ivy League and P-12. The other conferences are still there just greyed out when adding a manager. The conferences still schedule games, still record competition winnrers, still qualify for their respective post season tournaments etc. No conference awards are handed out.

    While it's a shame you can't control any of the teams from these other conferences, the fact the teams wouldn't have any players to start with means it would be rather unplayable anyway.

    I just started a test run and will leave it going today to see how the teams look after a few years and if there are enough regens to make this worthwhile and how squads in NASL, USL Pro etc look. USL PDL will still probably be a problem as NCAA players are draft protected until a certain age, and PDL has age limits for over-23s.

    It's important to remember that this is not a bug in the game. The US was designed to populate the MLS only through the draft and academies.
    Using the basic editor its possible to redo the US so all teams will get youth players, but then of course you lose everything else.
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    By the way, I've also redone the USL Pro in my latest build to reflect the changes for the upcoming 2013 season. The 13 teams play home/away giving 24 matches plus are paired with the correct MLS Reserve side. The result of the 2 games against MLS reserve teams counts to the overall standings in USL Pro (although not in MLS Reserve league). 8 teams are in the playoffs.

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    If you need any help getting this accurate in NPSL, let me know. I can help with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCSUltra View Post
    If you need any help getting this accurate in NPSL, let me know. I can help with that.
    Thanks it was difficult to find info on NPSL. Do you know anything about squad/match rules i.e. roster size, age limits, transfer windows etc. I found info of other leagues but not NPSL.

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    I believe it is a 26 man squad. I don't think there are any restrictions on foreign players. There were no restrictions on the transfer window; Cleveland added and dropped players throughout the season. I believe match day squad is 18, with 5 possible subs.

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    is there any relegation/promotion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thefinn View Post
    is there any relegation/promotion?
    No, the object of this edit is to represent the real life system in the US as closely as possible.

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    How did the test go?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reiver View Post
    How did the test go?
    I've decided to move all NCAA teams into one division and make this a playable level under NPSL. This serves as the inter-conference games with all teams split into 17 groups of 12 teams each.

    This means that all NCAA teams are manageable, all of the teams generate youth players and the SuperDraft can happen from any NCAA team. The conferences are run as an "other division" and work normally qualifying teams to their post season tournament and then the NCAA DI Championship.

    I haven't fully tested this yet but the situation was a little better. NASL and USL Pro teams seemed by 2019 to have smallish squads, PDL was worse as I expected. NCAA teams didn't have so many ineligible overage players but most teams still had a few.

    I've also redone the NASL and USL Pro so that in 2014 the relevant teams are added. I haven't updated the US Open Cup yet, but that shouldn't be too hard.

    I'm going to run another test tonight to see how squads will look after a few years.

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    Can't wait for that to be out.

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    Really interested in this one paulgerty. Let us know how the test goes, would love to check it out. The PDL is tricky, since you can't get teams to play on 2 different teams, which they do since many NCAA players fill out PDL teams. Also would be nice if the AI realized they needed to release overagers, but not much we can do there

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    Something odd things happened tonight while playing the original file. I was manager of McLean Youth, a academy-level and lowest-tier side. After I won the championship I tried to apply to hire level jobs and kept constantly getting denied. I thought that was just because even with winning the title, the reputation of the league is so low that my reputation wasn't substantially increased enough to get higher jobs. I played another season, losing out in the finals, and then applying to about 15 different jobs at the same time. This time I realized that the clubs were "flattered" by my interest, but couldn't afford to pay compensation ($2,500/m with two months left), so I resigned. I was immediately offered a position at PDL side Ocean City FC, that I accepted. I tried to pick up some of my old players but when going to the contract screen, the minimum fee release clause was at (-1), highlighted, and no matter what I changed it to was still highlighted. I can't remove it or modify it so I can't offer a contract.

    By the way, it's a great file! I'm very familiar with the college soccer structure here having worked for a women's college soccer team in the US. If you need some help with identifying confusing things please feel free to PM me or write in this thread. I'm happy to help. One piece of advice though: The names of university's sports teams are known as one thing officially and another commonly. For example, Georgetown University Hoyas is the full name, but in all other screens it should just be Georgetown or Georgetown Hoyas. We almost never use "college" or "university" when we say or write their names unless we are distinguishing between two universities with the same name. I'd be happy to do this for you quickly if you need it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoroBoozer View Post
    I tried to pick up some of my old players but when going to the contract screen, the minimum fee release clause was at (-1), highlighted, and no matter what I changed it to was still highlighted. I can't remove it or modify it so I can't offer a contract.
    I've noticed this too while I was managing a PDL team even some free transfers had this meaning I couldn't sign them. I must look into that later on.

    Quote Originally Posted by BoroBoozer View Post
    The names of university's sports teams are known as one thing officially and another commonly. For example, Georgetown University Hoyas is the full name, but in all other screens it should just be Georgetown or Georgetown Hoyas. We almost never use "college" or "university" when we say or write their names unless we are distinguishing between two universities with the same name.
    I realize that the University or College title is rarely used. I was thinking about how to name them and whether to include the nickname in the short name or not. I went with including it as some universities (although granted not many) would have the same name as professional teams, portland for example. I'll still think about it.


    The test went relatively well. In 2022 NASL clubs generally had pretty healthy squads with plenty of American regens, even the 3 teams which joined the league in 2014. USL Pro was similar. PDL is a worse situation, most clubs have only a few players, most of them are over 25. NPSL was a little better.

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    Any release date planned paul

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    I might release another beta version this weekend. There are still a lot of unknowns such as what the next update will bring, and how the US Open Cup will handle the extra teams in the USL Pro this season.

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    Good to see someone is working on this, though I would have loved to collaborate. FMNA (official home of the US/Canadian data teams) has been working on an NCAA file rebuilt from the massive FM10 expansion we did. Getting people to work together could help build a much better, more expansive North American landscape. I'd love to take a look at your file, and if you want to team up at some point on future stuff for the US/Canada please get in touch here or over at www.fmnorthamerica.com

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    Paul are you going to release an update this weekend please do

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    Quote Originally Posted by t27 View Post
    Paul are you going to release an update this weekend please do
    I'm planning to run a test tonight and if there are no problems I'll post a new version tomorrow.

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    Opening post has been updated with newest version to download.

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    I've notice you can only register squad numbers from 1-30 - this means that any players registered without a squad number can't play (because the game requires you to submit the squad numbers, and there aren't any free.)
    I also noticed for some reason that there are two registration windows, is this intended?
    (NCAA)

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    Confused on the relationship between the academies and the NCAA. Should a player progress from Academies to the NCAA, or right to MLS/professional leagues? Seems like the academy players are much younger then the NCAA players, but there is some overlap. Just wondered what your thoughts are on that. I did modify the NCAA teams to not allow transfers, haven't tested how well that will work though.

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    I noticed in that in the new update in the Developmental League teams are made up almost entirely of ineligible 18+ players. This is to start out with, I'm not sure if it fixes as time goes on

    It seems to only happen with clubs unaffiliated with MLS teams and after a couple months seems to be fixing itself somewhat

    Another error I had after one season is the NCAA tournament which should have been scheduled after the 2012 season is being scheduled for November 2013, I know this was mentioned in the OP but I don't know the extent it was being delayed for you

    Game breaking error too, it seems to crash 10 months into every game. I originally started in January and it crashed in November then tried starting in September and it crashed next July
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poop View Post
    I noticed in that in the new update in the Developmental League teams are made up almost entirely of ineligible 18+ players. This is to start out with, I'm not sure if it fixes as time goes on

    It seems to only happen with clubs unaffiliated with MLS teams and after a couple months seems to be fixing itself somewhat
    This seems to be a problem with the game itself, I remember seeing it mentioned in the bugs forum somewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by Poop View Post
    Another error I had after one season is the NCAA tournament which should have been scheduled after the 2012 season is being scheduled for November 2013, I know this was mentioned in the OP but I don't know the extent it was being delayed for you
    I haven't noticed this happening, but then again 90% of the test runs I've done have started in 2013, so I may have missed it.[/QUOTE]

    Quote Originally Posted by Poop View Post
    Game breaking error too, it seems to crash 10 months into every game. I originally started in January and it crashed in November then tried starting in September and it crashed next July
    Can you provide any extra info on the crash, do you have any other editor files loaded for example. I haven't had a crash for ages with these builds.

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    It is with nothing loaded, first time was using the generic US start date and the second with Indonesia loaded just to provide another start date. I'll try to duplicate it again in a little while but it happened the two times I tried to sim through

    By Indonesia loaded I mean the SI one not an editor file

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    Tested it again and November 26 is the day that it crashes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poop View Post
    Tested it again and November 26 is the day that it crashes
    Is that 2012? I've usually tested with a 2013 start date and everything has been fine, I might have missed something in the code for 2012 which is causing the crash. NASL, USL Pro and US Open Cup each have specific code for 2012 and 2013 before changing in 2014. If its 2012 you have the crash then its probably something in there, shouldn't be too hard to find its just I can't do any testing at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulgerty View Post
    Is that 2012? I've usually tested with a 2013 start date and everything has been fine, I might have missed something in the code for 2012 which is causing the crash. NASL, USL Pro and US Open Cup each have specific code for 2012 and 2013 before changing in 2014. If its 2012 you have the crash then its probably something in there, shouldn't be too hard to find its just I can't do any testing at the moment.
    Yeah it is 2012, I tried it with Canada loaded for good measure and it still happens

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    I'll be going away for a few weeks so I won't be working on this file, but my return should coincide nicely with the data update, which should be early March once the transfer windows are all shut.

    I've checked the default and update databases for FM12 and I notice that changes were made, such as Montreal being removed from American Second Division and new PDL allignment done. Therefore, I would expect the same case to happen this time, so NY Cosmos should be activated and added to American Second, VSI and Phoenix should already be in American Third and I would hope that 2013 PDL teams will be done. Once the update is released and I return I'll work on fixing any issues it will cause and I will try to release a new version. I doubt the 2014 expansion teams will be added to the database but you never know.

    I'm noticing that young players in the USA are asking for very high wages. I'm managing in the USL Pro at the moment and 17/18 year olds are asking for wages of $300 or so. For comparison, Man Utd's youth players are on about $90 a week. Hopefully changing the wage settings in the nations tab and division contract types would help this. The problem is obviously teams don't have the money to spend so much on youth players to fill out their U20 teams.

    Overall I may need to do something about finances as teams below MLS are stuggling with money. I can't find any info on any prize money or TV money for levels below MLS, so if anyone knows anything I'd appreciate it.

    I'll also do NCAA Conference realignments for 2013.
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    This is fantastic cant wait to more updates.

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    when next update paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by willz71172 View Post
    when next update paul
    Should be this weekend. Other than MLS transfers, the update database has not made any changes that I can see to the US, just adding NY Cosmos to American Second. The plus of this is that my file is still working, still with no failed changes. I've made the Cosmos that SI created extinct to continue using my own. Interesting as in previous years I think the teams in other US leagues were updated, this year they haven't been touched.

    So far I've added/removed/renamed the necessary teams in the PDL and reduced the number of league games from 16 to 14 to reflect changes for this season.

    I still don't know the exact structure of the NPSL yet, or how USL Pro teams will enter US Cup, but I'll do some testing and try and release an update this weekend.

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    is there any chance you could uploaded what you have done now just do the US Cup way you hink there gonna set it up
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    Will January 2013 be an option for the starting point?

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    I doubt it - it is possible but if done it is highly unlikely you will get the real life rules back into the game for the existing competitions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjk46 View Post
    Will January 2013 be an option for the starting point?
    You can always load a league which starts on January 2013 (most South American ones, for example, except Argentina and Uruguay) and set it as View Only if you don't want it to slow a little bit your game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Javier View Post
    You can always load a league which starts on January 2013 (most South American ones, for example, except Argentina and Uruguay) and set it as View Only if you don't want it to slow a little bit your game.
    That is what I ended up doing! Does anyone know where I can get a facepack for DC United since that is who I am playing as?

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