davide petrucci's penalty attribute ? can there be a bug ?

[by_310]

I signed davide petrucci from manu on free transfer in my second season. now I played two seasons. and davide petrucci is the guy who takes my penalties. in two seasons, he took about 20 penalties and missed them all. I can't understand this. his penalty taking is 15, finishing 12, composure 11...in a match, he scored 4 goals and missed 3 penalties..can there be a bug ? every time, I say it's probably chance but every time he fails to score ..

[Lucas Weatherby]

Incredibly bad luck I'm afraid.

[HoreTore]

20 penalties?

How did you manage to sign Howard Webb?

[by_310]

20 penalties?

How did you manage to sign Howard Webb?

actually it's not too much..because I play an attacking football..

[Mr_Whippy]

I had the same issue, he missed too many. Good thing I kept him on a one year contract.

[Super Bladesman]

His composure is pretty low for taking penalties

[FrazT]

Surprised that you didnt change the penalty taker after he missed 3 to be honest.

[BiggusD]

He might have a poor Pressure hidden attribute.

[by_310]

I started the third season with petrucci..in 8th match he missed again..he sometimes scores incrediable goals but can't take penalties..it's time to change my penalty taker..I guess now my goalkeeper will take penalties..I don't get angry if my goalkeeper misses..

[robertcornell68]

He might have a poor Pressure hidden attribute.

I think this is right. I had a regen striker who was a no-brainer penalty taker from his attributes but missed every single one.

[vilks]

20 penalties? If there is any bug it's getting 20 penalties in a season. I also play with a very attacking tactic but I don't think I've ever even reached double figures for penalties.

[Bababui]

He might have a poor Pressure hidden attribute.

If he has poor pressure then he shouldnt have 15 for penalties. This is an example of bad and confusing programming. Penalty taking is a single specific action and is represented with a single specific rating. If he has pressure/composure (surely the same thing) or anything else then he should have a far lower Penalties rating.

[Bababui]

20 penalties? If there is any bug it's getting 20 penalties in a season. I also play with a very attacking tactic but I don't think I've ever even reached double figures for penalties.

Possibly he has had an abnormal number of cup games that have been decided by PKs??

[PenS66]

I don't know if the OP's claim is legit... BUT I find it amazing that some guys try to argue with composure here. This Petrucci guy is supposed to be a professional and in the OP's game he misses every single penalty.
However, I don't know a single amateur player that misses five of five penalties while being drunk...

[BiggusD]

If he has poor pressure then he shouldnt have 15 for penalties. This is an example of bad and confusing programming. Penalty taking is a single specific action and is represented with a single specific rating. If he has pressure/composure (surely the same thing) or anything else then he should have a far lower Penalties rating.

Penalty taking is a bit confusing yes. It doesn't indicate how good a player is at scoring on penalties, only at taking them ... i.e kicking the ball. It is the precision of the shot, nothing else.

How cool he keeps his head and which corner to shoot in, how long he waits for the keeper to move first etc... all that is up to a number of other attributes. Truth to be told, no-one knows the full list for sure unless SI has officially confirmed it and I haven't heard of it.

[CityAndColour]

I've always had an issue with this attribute. Not having it there per se (as there are plenty of specialist penalty-taking defenders or even 'keepers, so using finishing attribute etc is a bit misleading), but I think the rating for penalties should take into account hidden attributes and also visible mentals like composure. Otherwise you end up with a situation like in the OP where a player has a good penalty-taking attribute, but misses them all the time due to a combination of hidden and mental stats. So really he's not a good penalty taker at all.

Especially when there most common 'tip' when processing is "a player who has a good penalty taking attribute is likely to be a good choice to take penalties". He might be able to put it in the corner every time in training or when you're 5-0 up, but if he craps his pants every time he is faced with one in a tight match then he's not a good penalty taker, and shouldn't be reflected as such.

[ubos]

Penalty taking is a bit confusing yes. It doesn't indicate how good a player is at scoring on penalties, only at taking them ... i.e kicking the ball. It is the precision of the shot, nothing else.

How cool he keeps his head and which corner to shoot in, how long he waits for the keeper to move first etc... all that is up to a number of other attributes. Truth to be told, no-one knows the full list for sure unless SI has officially confirmed it and I haven't heard of it.

Most top level professional footballers can put a ball where they want to, yes? It's the composure/pressure and other mental issues that stops them from being good penalty takers.

[BiggusD]

Most top level professional footballers can put a ball where they want to, yes? It's the composure/pressure and other mental issues that stops them from being good penalty takers.

Yes just like with Finishing. Many people interpret it as "the goalscoring attribute", but it isn't. If it was, I am sure SI would call it that. Finishing is only the precision of the shot; how good he his at kicking the ball in the right place with the right force - that fraction of a second right before the ball is hit. Of the attributes influencing the ability of scoring goals, Finishing is perhaps the least important one.

[Marc Albrighton]

Surely though any kind of proffessional anywhere would score atleast 1 or 2 out of 20 penalties even if they were a goalkeeper or whatever 1 is bound to go in out of 20.

[Super Bladesman]

Having seen Steve Simmonsen's effort in the League One playoff final, I'm not sure that man could manage 1 in 100.

[Govnar1]

Having seen Steve Simmonsen's effort in the League One playoff final, I'm not sure that man could manage 1 in 100.

Full back that played for my hometown team hit scoreboard from penalty. It happened on a very small stadium in Zadar but still it was a spectacular miss, the worst I have ever seen. Nevertheless what are the odds that pro player will miss 20 penalties in row?

[milnerpoint]

Full back that played for my hometown team hit scoreboard from penalty. It happened on a very small stadium in Zadar but still it was a spectacular miss, the worst I have ever seen. Nevertheless what are the odds that pro player will miss 20 penalties in row?

What are the odds he would be given that many chances before the team changed the pen taker?

[edgar555]

He sounds like any Spurs player pre VDV or Adebayor tbh.

[LaTTsSpURs]

He sounds like any Spurs player pre VDV or Adebayor tbh.

Harsh....but true

[Overmars]

Of the attributes influencing the ability of scoring goals, Finishing is perhaps the least important one.

That has to be an exaggeration.

If the "Penalty Taking" attribute is not a good indicator of success in taking penalties then it should be removed. Why mislead players?

[BiggusD]

That has to be an exaggeration.

If the "Penalty Taking" attribute is not a good indicator of success in taking penalties then it should be removed. Why mislead players?

Not really. The actual execution of the shot is the last in a long line of abilities the player used to get into a situation where the shot is likely to lead to a goal. Once he is there, the need for great skill at placing the ball where he wants it is not that crucial most of the time. Can you remember a situation where it actually looked like the shooter just performed an amazing shot, for instance a curled shot around a goalkeeper who looked to be in control or a shot going in from a really tight angle? Those are the instances where Finishing matters (it looks like the keeper really made a blooper but unless the game says he made a mistake it is likely to be just a very good shot). All the rest; tap-ins, outplayed defence, rounding of the keeper, open chances, squared shots from distance etc etc they don't require a high Finishing attribute and this is why people complain why their 20 finishing striker don't score goals. The answer to that is simply that Finishing is a rarely applied skill in terms of goalscoring - pace, dribbling, creativity, flair, strength, technique, off the ball and anticipation are all used more often to score goals than any of Finishing, Composure and Balance. And of those last three Finishing is the least important.

[clayts]

I don't know if the OP's claim is legit... BUT I find it amazing that some guys try to argue with composure here. This Petrucci guy is supposed to be a professional and in the OP's game he misses every single penalty.
However, I don't know a single amateur player that misses five of five penalties while being drunk...

i watched danny welbeck (not that hes amature) score 5 pk's in zante 2 year ago whilst drunk winning a cheap bottle of plonk

[CityAndColour]

Not really. The actual execution of the shot is the last in a long line of abilities the player used to get into a situation where the shot is likely to lead to a goal. Once he is there, the need for great skill at placing the ball where he wants it is not that crucial most of the time. Can you remember a situation where it actually looked like the shooter just performed an amazing shot, for instance a curled shot around a goalkeeper who looked to be in control or a shot going in from a really tight angle? Those are the instances where Finishing matters (it looks like the keeper really made a blooper but unless the game says he made a mistake it is likely to be just a very good shot). All the rest; tap-ins, outplayed defence, rounding of the keeper, open chances, squared shots from distance etc etc they don't require a high Finishing attribute and this is why people complain why their 20 finishing striker don't score goals. The answer to that is simply that Finishing is a rarely applied skill in terms of goalscoring - pace, dribbling, creativity, flair, strength, technique, off the ball and anticipation are all used more often to score goals than any of Finishing, Composure and Balance. And of those last three Finishing is the least important.

It's just such an over-complicated way of looking at it. I understand SI don't want to hint at what a player's hidden attributes are, but if you have a player missing 20 penalties in a row (exaggeration or not) then clearly he shouldn't have a rating of 15 for penalty taking. It's pointless.

It's like having a player 20 for heading, but his hidden attributes combine to make him scared of the ball whenever he gets a heading opportunity, so you only find out he can't actually head by trial and error, not by the attributes the game gives you.

[BiggusD]

It's just such an over-complicated way of looking at it. I understand SI don't want to hint at what a player's hidden attributes are, but if you have a player missing 20 penalties in a row (exaggeration or not) then clearly he shouldn't have a rating of 15 for penalty taking. It's pointless.

It's like having a player 20 for heading, but his hidden attributes combine to make him scared of the ball whenever he gets a heading opportunity, so you only find out he can't actually head by trial and error, not by the attributes the game gives you.

Yeah Bravery, Off the Ball, Acceleration, Anticipation, Strength and not the least Jumping are much more important attributes than Heading when it comes to scoring from headers. Decisions and Determination underpins everything, so those too.

Look, I don't disagree with you guys. I am all for more absolute attributes in the ME. The technical attributes that actually matters are Technique, Dribbling, Tackling and Marking - the rest are so insensitive or in effect so rarely that you won't really notice a +5 or -5.

What I want is that you can't succeed playing Barca/Spain football with mediocre players, simply because a player with 14 passing and creativity won't pull off what Xavi and Iniesta does. Not ever. Not even when there are no other players around, and regardless of what level you're playing at. These things aren't relative. A beer-gutted amateur won't cut inside, dribble past two opponents and blast the ball 30 meters into the far upper corner like Ronaldo just because the other ones have even larger beer-guts. Good form won't help either. FM needs to become much more merciless when it comes to player quality, and the tactics must become much less dependent on formation. If you put a lazy, selfish classic winger type on the flank he will play like an AML/R does now. A hard-working, die-for-the-team modern winger in the exact same position with the exact same settings should be entirely different, and no matter what you do they should not ever function the same way in a match.

[milnerpoint]

What I want is that you can't succeed playing Barca/Spain football with mediocre players, simply because a player with 14 passing and creativity won't pull off what Xavi and Iniesta does. Not ever. Not even when there are no other players around, and regardless of what level you're playing at. These things aren't relative. A beer-gutted amateur won't cut inside, dribble past two opponents and blast the ball 30 meters into the far upper corner like Ronaldo just because the other ones have even larger beer-guts.

Absolute nonsense. The beer gutted amature wont do it on a regular basis, but to say he is not capable of pulling that off in a sinlge moment is very wrong. Almost any player in the world at any level is capable of pulling off a moment of brilliance, what seperates them from the pro players is the ability of the pro players to do these things on a constant basis.

[BiggusD]

Absolute nonsense. The beer gutted amature wont do it on a regular basis, but to say he is not capable of pulling that off in a sinlge moment is very wrong. Almost any player in the world at any level is capable of pulling off a moment of brilliance, what seperates them from the pro players is the ability of the pro players to do these things on a constant basis.

I didn't say that he can't ever accomplish anything like that, just that he won't accomplish it because the opponents are worse than him. That is what happens in FM, and this makes it possible to play quick, precise, beautiful top-flight football with the likes of Boavista (first season). At least that is what it looks like in Key highlights. I have seen absolutely awful lower-league sides pass between them inside the opposition third 30-50 times with ease, while the defending team chased the ball confidently. This shouldn't happen.

If you want to play like Spain, you will need to have Xavi, Iniesta, Silva, Alonso and the rest of the team. The reason the other teams aren't playing like them is not by choice - it is because they can't.

[milnerpoint]

I didn't say that he can't ever accomplish anything like that, just that he won't accomplish it because the opponents are worse than him. That is what happens in FM, and this makes it possible to play quick, precise, beautiful top-flight football with the likes of Boavista (first season). At least that is what it looks like in Key highlights. I have seen absolutely awful lower-league sides pass between them inside the opposition third 30-50 times with ease, while the defending team chased the ball confidently. This shouldn't happen.

If you want to play like Spain, you will need to have Xavi, Iniesta, Silva, Alonso and the rest of the team. The reason the other teams aren't playing like them is not by choice - it is because they can't.

But he will acomplish it partly because his opponents are worse, the full back marking him wont be as quick or as attentive as the full back playing for Man u, the keeper wont be as agile as a pro keeper, quite a few things will come into play in that situation. All things are relative to who you are playing and the level you are playing, there is no reason why a good passing team at league 2 level cant pass a team off the park, if they were to do the same to a top EPL team you would have an issue, but that wont happen in FM. You can pull examples from every footballing country in the world where teams will play good football for their level.

[MattyBRFC]

He scored 2 past me in one game when i played Man Utd reserves in a friendly 20 penalties all missed is amazing i hope i don't come across this with any of my penalty takers

[Neil Brock]

I'd quite like to see proof of these 20 missed penalties in all honesty.

[CityAndColour]

I'd quite like to see proof of these 20 missed penalties in all honesty.

I'm pretty certain it's an exaggeration, but it does raise a good point - is the penalty attribute the cake or the cream?