The Golden Generations - Trial using FM11 (sign up)

[Sergio_Biscuits]

I’ve frequented these forums for several years in both a lurking capacity and as a fully signed-up member. It was the CSE threads that first captured my attention, but month-by-month, this whole aspect of FM seems to be declining in popularity (Though of course the usual committed bunch like kipfizh, jimbowmanuk, LowerLeaguesRule, and others continue to produce CSE gold). I’ve therefore put a bit of thought into a new sign-up where a forum member attempts to create their own ‘Golden Generation’ for one of the ten smallest ranked nations in the world, in the hopes of developing it into a communal challenge, with a big leaderboard and plenty of tricky decisions for the user to make.

This will have to wait for FM13, but in the meantime I want to give the sign-up a practice run on FM11. I am therefore asking for an initial three forum members to help with this trial. For the time being, all I need for you is for you to pick a team from the following, and to ensure I’ve got your full attention and know that you have an eye for detail, please state your favourite-ever Eastern European footballer. I would prefer it if everyone picked a different team, for maximum variety.

FM11: Lowest ranked nations (July 2010)

São Tomé and Príncipe
San Marino - Reserved for jimbowmanuk
Papua New Guinea
Montserrat
Anguilla
American Samoa - duffy89
Andorra - Ben Evans
US Virgin Islands - letissierandhenryaregreat
East Timor
Aruba – I have chosen this team, and for what it’s worth, I’d plump for Davor Suker...

I’m holidaying my own Golden Generation at the moment, but will be back to post further instructions within the next week. Please note that this will be a prose-heavy sign-up, and you may have to wait before your own players receive the prolonged attention I envisage as I will be completing the project by working on one save at a time, starting with my own. For that reason this sign-up may be better suited to someone who spends a lot of time on these forums and will be patient. But hey, I’m not here to stop you if you aren’t!

[Sergio_Biscuits]

CSE tip #1- if you want a response to your thread, don't illustrate it with a photo of one of the most loathed international sides of all time! Knew I should have chosen Croatia '98 instead.

[glennuk]

Haha, also it seems a bit confusing. I don't really know what you want us to do.

[Ben Evans]

Andorra is my choice + Stiliyan Petrov

[letissierandhenryaregreat]

US Virgin Islands - Gheorghe Hagi

[Sergio_Biscuits]

^ That ^ is all I need for now, the rest will become clear soon. There's space for one more...
(Gheorge Hagi is a great shout, also)

[duffy89]

I'll go American Samoa - Pavel Nedved

[Sergio_Biscuits]

Sweet. Expect an update on Monday, hopefully before if I can get a good amount of writing done prior to that.

[jimbowmanuk]

oh no I'm too late, I was gonna have Liechtenstein and Hristo Stoichkov. Oh well maybe next time

[Sergio_Biscuits]

I can add you to the reserve list, I've capped things at three because I'm unsure how long things will take. However, Liechtenstein are not one of the teams available-
São Tomé and Príncipe
San Marino
Papua New Guinea
Montserrat
Anguilla
East Timor
are. I've probably got enough done to post 'the rules' tonight now, so keep 'em peeled.

[jimbowmanuk]

I can add you to the reserve list, I've capped things at three because I'm unsure how long things will take. However, Liechtenstein are not one of the teams available-
São Tomé and Príncipe
San Marino
Papua New Guinea
Montserrat
Anguilla
East Timor
are. I've probably got enough done to post 'the rules' tonight now, so keep 'em peeled.

Ok stick me on the reserve list with San Marino

[Sergio_Biscuits]

Are you ready? Then I'll begin...

The premise of this sign-up is to create a band of five footballers from a minnow nation in the hope that they will develop into that country’s ‘Golden Generation’, with enough talent to carry the rest of the team to a World Cup tournament and possibly go even further. Picking a nation from the list above, you will create your talented youngsters using the following guidelines:

1. Your five players can be born at any point between 1 January 1994 - 31 December 1995, and can be assigned to any position and an additional position (e.g. DRC, AMC/ST).

2. You can choose whether four of your players are left or right-footed. You are allowed one player who can use both feet.

3. You can pick up to two preferred moves each for four of your players.

4. You have 270 CA points to distribute between four of your players.

5. You have 680 PA points to distribute between four of your players.

6. Three of these four players will have two chosen personality attributes at 20, and the fourth will have one chosen personality attribute at 19.

7. Player #1 will have five chosen playing/hidden attributes at 20.

8. Player #2 will have three chosen playing/hidden attributes at 20, and another at 19.

9. Player #3 will have two chosen playing/hidden attributes at 20.

10. Player #4 will have one chosen playing/hidden attribute at 20, and another at 19.

11. The fifth of your players will be a ‘wildcard’ entry. All you are able to pick is their name and date of birth. They will be given a completely random PA between 1-200, which will not be revealed until the player retires. All other fields relating to the player will be generated by the game.

Each of the five players will be randomly allocated to a club within each playable nation, at any possible tier. I have also added a few extra nations for more variety. Your starlet might start his career at Ajax, he might start at the Metropolitan Police.

To clarify what I’m looking for in the event of any confusion, I will provide the details of my Aruban Golden Generation:

Player #1: Carles De Zorm, AMC/ST, born 10/11/1994, both feet
CA/PA: 100/200
Two personality attributes at 20: Ambition, Coping with pressure
Five playing/mental attributes at 20: Influence, Long shots, Finishing, Dribbling, Stamina
PPMS: Shoots from distance, Runs through centre

Player #2: Marti Sek, M/AML, born 12/04/1995, left footed
CA/PA: 70/170
Two personality attributes at 20: Adaptability, Coping with pressure
Three playing/mental attributes at 20, one at 19: Pace, Crossing, Important matches, Acceleration
PPMS: Cuts inside, Runs down left

Player #3: Ramzi Heernden, DC/R, born 09/02/1994, right footed
CA/PA: 50/180
Two personality attributes at 20: Temperament, Coping with pressure
Two playing/mental attributes at 20: Tackling, Heading
PPMS: Stops play, Tries killer balls

Player #4: Rudi Sasko, GK, born 20/12/1995, right footed
CA/PA: 50/130
One personality attribute at 19: Temperament
One playing/mental attribute at 20, one at 19: Aerial ability, Handling
PPMS: None chosen

Player #5: Rylands Johnson, born 4/1/1994

[Sergio_Biscuits]

I know 11 rules is a bit much, but it should allow for optimum creative control for the forum members. I will provide my patented scoring structure another day. I've been preparing this all evening and I'm knackered.

[Sergio_Biscuits]

Forgot to add- (vaguely) realistic names, please. Like Carles De Zorm.

[jimbowmanuk]

Sergio I've got my list of players done incase you need them, just let me know

[Sergio_Biscuits]

Post away. I've decided I'll play your San Marino save even if it's in the far distant future!

[jimbowmanuk]

Player #1: Gianluca Di Berti, MC/AMC, born 19/6/1994, both feet
CA/PA: 90/195
Two personality attributes at 20: Ambition, Adaptability
Five playing/mental attributes at 20: Influence, Creativity, Passing, Technique, Determination
PPMS: Dictates Tempo, Tries Killer Balls

Player #2: Paolo Stravelli, ST, born 6/11/1994, Right footed
CA/PA: 75/175
Two personality attributes at 20: Adaptability, Professionalism
Three playing/mental attributes at 20, one at 19: Finishing, Composure, Balance, Pace(19)
PPMS: Places Shots, Shoots with Power

Player #3: Roberto Zoff, DC/SW, born 09/8/1995, Left footed
CA/PA: 50/165
Two personality attributes at 20: Temperament, Coping with pressure
Two playing/mental attributes at 20: Tackling, Heading
PPMS: None

Player #4: Franco Buffunucci, GK, born 16/9/1995, right footed
CA/PA: 55/145
One personality attribute at 19: Coping with Pressure
One playing/mental attribute at 20, one at 19: Shot Stopping, Handling(19)
PPMS: Avoids using weaker foot

Player #5: Christian Ginelli, born 4/6/1995


Thats all the right info I think, let me know if anything needs adjusting

[Sergio_Biscuits]

Exactly what I was looking for. Cheers!

[glennuk]

Ahh i get it now. If you need another i would go for Monteserrat all the best have been said except for the legend that is Poborsky

[Ben Evans]

Player #1: Christian Jimenez, MC/AMC, born 20/9/1994, both feet
CA/PA: 90/200
Two personality attributes at 20: Ambition, Adaptability
Five playing/mental attributes at 20: Influence, Creativity, Passing, Technique, Determination
PPMS: Dictates Tempo, Tries Killer Balls

Player #2: Ricardo Baptista, ST, born 20/10/1994, Right footed
CA/PA: 75/170
Two personality attributes at 20: Adaptability, Professionalism
Three playing/mental attributes at 20, one at 19: Finishing, Composure, Free Kicks, Pace(19)
PPMS: Places Shots, Shoots with Power

Player #3: Pablo Gonzalez, DC/SW, born 29/3/1995, Left footed
CA/PA: 50/160
Two personality attributes at 20: Temperament, Coping with pressure
Two playing/mental attributes at 20: Tackling, Heading
PPMS: None

Player #4: Roberto Gomez, GK, born 1/1/1995, right footed
CA/PA: 55/150
One personality attribute at 19: Coping with Pressure
One playing/mental attribute at 20, one at 19: Shot Stopping, Handling(19)
PPMS: Avoids using weaker foot

Player #5: Ben Fernandez, born 12/6/1994

I've used very similar traits to jimbowmanuk but only because he's chosen the best ones. I mixed around the CA/PA's though and gave them all S. American sounding names.

[Sergio_Biscuits]

Cheers, I see there's a vibrant South American culture developing in Andorra! I've holidayed my own save up to Summer 2016 so far, taking a while because of all the leagues I have loaded and my puny PC, but will probably start a new thread detailing the progess of the Aruban GG tomorrow.
I will post the scoring system for this sign-up/challenge this evening.
glennuk- I suspect four players will probably be my limit but will give you first option if things change.

[duffy89]

Sergio, I'm going to be off the forums for a few days due to family needs, do you want to sub me out?

[Sergio_Biscuits]

Not at all. This is a long-term sign-up and a few days out will not matter.
To reiterate, I will be running separate saves for each team. I am aware that someone could upload all the 'GG's at once but I like the idea of an on-going sign-up challenge for FM13.

[duffy89]

Cool, I've had a bit of time to think about what I'd go for so here is the future of Amercian Samoa:

Player #1: Gabriel Satistuba, ST, born 01/02/1994, Right footed
CA/PA: 100/190
Two personality attributes at 20: Temperament, Pressure
Five playing/mental attributes at 20: Finishing, Pace, Acceleration, Composure, Determination.
PPMS: Shoots from distance, Likes to round keeper

Player #2: Edward Davids, MC/AMC born 13/03/1994, both feet
CA/PA: 60/170
Two personality attributes at 20: Temperament, Pressure
Three playing/mental attributes at 20, one at 19: Passing, Technique, Flair, Creativity(19)
PPMS: Dictates Tempo, Plays killer balls

Player #3: Jop Stan, DC/DM, born 17/07/1994, right footed
CA/PA: 60/160
Two personality attributes at 20: Temperament, Pressure
Two playing/mental attributes at 20: Tackling, Heading
PPMS: Plays simple passes, stays on feet

Player #4: George Kampos, GK, born 15/10/1994, right footed
CA/PA: 50/160
One personality attribute at 19: Pressure
One playing/mental attribute at 20, one at 19: Shot Stopping, Jumping(19)
PPMS: Gets crowd going

Player #5: Derek Borgkomp, born 10/05/1994

[Sergio_Biscuits]

Those look like ISS/PES names of established 1990s stars. Surely not!

[Sergio_Biscuits]

If no-one knows what ISS is, I'm going to feel really old...

[duffy89]

Haha they'll be close enough I bet! Infact they were:

Stam: TYUTAU (eh?)
Davids: DARIT
Bergkamp: BEMKAMP
Batistuta: BAQUISTATA
Campos: CALMEN

I had ISS 98 for the N64, which had Carlos Valderrama on the front!

[Sergio_Biscuits]

I had '98, in some ways my favourite (non-management) football game ever, although I had Ince/Ravanelli on the front.

[jimbowmanuk]

What do you use to pick the random clubs for the players? Think I might run my players on FM12 to see how they pan out?

[Sergio_Biscuits]

I use an online random country generator, then a random number generator (for countries with loads of clubs I will first randomise the tier, for those with fewer clubs I'll just enter the number of clubs and pick the corresponding one). It's all very technical, though seems to favour lower rep. clubs if my trial is anything to go by!

[Sergio_Biscuits]

The five players that each of you have created will accrue points as they look to put their tiny nation on the world football map. Though Golden Generations are ultimately defined by their performance as a collective, there is scope for individual success at club level as well. The scoring system for each achievement they may make is as follows:

Club competitions

League or cup win: Points equal to competition reputation
Leading role within league or cup win (e.g. keeps clean sheet in cup final, scores 15 league goals): Points double that of competition reputation
World Club Championship/European Super Cup/Champions League/Copa Libertadores win: 15 points (points doubled if player has leading role)
Europa League win: 10 points (points doubled if player has leading role)
Asian/African Champions League/Copa Sudamericana: 8 points (points doubled if player has leading role)
All other Continental club competitions: Points equal to competition reputation (points doubled if player has leading role)

International matches

International goal/clean sheet/assist/MoM award: 1 point
Player plays in international win: 2 points
Player plays in international draw: ½ point

International competitions

World Cup
Qualification: 70 points
Round of 16: 90 points
Quarter finals: 100 points
Semi finals: 120 points
Final: 140 points
Winners: 180 points

European Championships
Qualification: 40 points
Quarter finals: 60 points
Semi finals: 80 points
Final: 100 points
Winners: 120 points

Asian Cup/African Cup of Nations
Qualification: 10 points
Quarter finals: 15 points
Semi finals: 40 points
Final: 50 points
Winners: 80 points

Gold Cup:
Qualification: 5 points (plus 25 points if this is as winners of Caribbean Championships)
Quarter finals: 15 points
Semi finals: 30 points
Final: 50 points
Winners: 70 points

OFC Nations Cup
Qualification: 5 points
Semi finals: 15 points
Final: 20 points
Winners: 40 points

Confederations Cup
Semi finals: 20 points
Final: 30 points
Winners: 50 points

I will add other players as necessary (with a maximum of 70) to enable all the minnows to produce a full squad and appoint a reasonable manager. These players are exempt from the scoring system and will be randomly allocated PA between 30 and 55, and a club based in their own nation. All other details will be left blank to further randomise their quality.

[Sergio_Biscuits]

Will need letiss's team details at some point, but no rush.

[letissierandhenryaregreat]

Player #1: Phoenix Van Middlesworth, M/AM C, born 25/12/1995, both feet
CA/PA: 125/200
Two personality attributes at 20: Proffesionalism, Sportsmanship
Five playing/mental attributes at 20: Passing, Long shots, Finishing, Dribbling, Stamina
PPMS: Shoots from distance, Plays short simple passes

Player #2: Ormonde Joyner, AML/ST, born 05/11/1995, left footed
CA/PA: 75/160
Two personality attributes at 20: Adaptability, Coping with pressure
Three playing/mental attributes at 20, one at 19: Pace, Strength, Finishing, Composure
PPMS: Places shots, Plays short simple passes

Player #3: Kendall Pettigrew, DC/R, born 01/07/1995, right footed
CA/PA: 35/180
Two personality attributes at 20: Temperament, Coping with pressure
Two playing/mental attributes at 20: Tackling, Strength
PPMS: Stops play, Marks Opponent tightly

Player #4: Zachariah Collingwood, GK, born 20/12/1995, right footed
CA/PA: 35/140
One personality attribute at 19: Temperament
One playing/mental attribute at 20, one at 19: Aerial ability, Handling
PPMS: None chosen

Player #5: Fitzroy Kellogg, born 31/12/1995